The Albion Chronicles-sites about England

Subject: The Albion Chronicles
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 04:51 PM

Has anyone else found these yet? These two sites have to be the most comprehensive sites about England, it's history, herirage, music, dance, poets, artists etc. that I've yet seen:

The Albion Chronicle - Volume 1
http://thealbionchronicles.tripod.com/

The Albion Chronicles - Volume 2
http://thealbionchronicles2.tripod.com/

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 04:57 PM

Woops! Posted that a bit too soon by mistake...

There's everything you can think of on here from Peter Bellamy and The Transports to Rupert Bear....The Albion Band, Ashley Hutchings,
Flora Thompson...even 'Rock n Roll Jam Sandwiches' with everything from The Moody Blues to The Shadows:

http://jamsandwiches.tripod.com/index.html

And every time you click on a new link, you find loads more...

I LOVE The Albion Chronicles and now spend way too much time in there..but every day I learn something new...so at least I've a good excuse.


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 04:36 AM

Just a quick "Thank You" to the Mudcat Mods for adding that extra informative part to the title.


Lizzie xx

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:39 AM

Some very interesting contents, but the navigation is horrible and the content is often not up to date (they still link to Reinhard Zierke's site for lyrics).

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Tam
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 09:41 AM

I don't inderstand. On one page, Albion Folk, under a picture of the English flag is the name Evelyn Glennie who was born in Aberdeen, Scotland.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish, without my...er... 'cookie
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 04:17 PM

True, but there are also links to all of the titles listed below, which I've copied and pasted, on that page, before you get to Evelyn:

Home
Dear Friends
The Albion Chronicles
Dark Fields
Shropshire Bedlams
Albion Heart
Albion Folk
The Written Word
Sway With Me
Hard Cash
The Path
Countryfile
SHOW OF HANDS
The Poozies
Longdogs
Life's Little Ironies
The Dorsetshire Labourer
The Transports
25 Years Later
Nick Drake
Nic Jones
Swarb!!
The Road To Colchester
A Daughter of Albion
Rupert Bear
Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band
Poor Murdered Woman
In Merstham Tunnel
The Murder of Maria Marten
The Witches of Elswick
Witches Songs
Grace Notes
Blowzabella
They Called Her Babylon
Sweet Themmes Run Softly
The Albion River Hymn
Winter
December
Hark The Village Wait
Endurance
Stories I Have Tried To Write
Swan Arcade
Sound, Sound Your Instruments of Joy
Two Unsolved
John 'Babbacombe' Lee
The Summer Before The War
Meet On The Ledge
Lordenshaws
Mr Fox
Evelyn Glennie
ladies in lavender
Dame Judi Dench
The Writer and The Castle
A Picture of Britain
A City Resilient
The Duck Race
Morris Off

Here's the page you mentioned:

Albion Folk:

http://thealbionchronicles.tripod.com/id6.html



I'd think that possibly, whoever runs the site, holds Evelyn Glennie in very high regard and so decided to give her a 'special' mention. I thoroughly enjoyed reading all about her.

What a lovely, inspirational lady.

Here's her page:

http://thealbionchronicles.tripod.com/id49.html

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,banned from the BBC
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:07 AM

New pages added

songs for swingng lovers

:0)

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:15 AM

some interesting thoughts on Lizzies website here

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:22 AM

Well, it happened, didn't it?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:29 AM

A message from the BBC Folk message board -

>>>If it is true that this site is Lizzie's own work, this thread should be closed.<<<

It is not true Janey.

Sam's site has been in existence for many, many years. Nothing on this site or his others, is 'my own work', not one word. It has all been created by him, every word, every photo. He is from England originally. He also has sites on America and Canada as well.

He is certainly NOT racist either. He merely loves his country and it's people. (er...of ALL colours and religions) He also has a site which cover many religions too...and in there he asks people to be open-minded and inclusive to others at all times. -

Well so you say Lizzie but it does bear an uncanny resemblance to your own saccharine sickly Sam and Lizzie site linked by the guest above
warning - do not open this link unless you have a very strong stomach

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:32 AM

Tis a pity that most people missed this oh so Romantic England.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:33 AM

especially the English Sorcha LOL

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

Oh yes, apparently one must be veddy English to appreciate all of it. Not for us Outlanders, so sad.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Captain Ginger
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

Some good links and Lizzie's taste in folk is very similar to my own - that is to say, impeccable - but the overall effect is that of drowning in rose-water while being beaten over the head with rolls of Laura Ashley wallpaper.
Maybe it's more of a girl thing - I'll stick with scratchy tweed and the smell of damp dog!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:45 AM

Then I'm not much of a girl, Cap.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:47 AM

Smug is the word that comes to mind, still, they appear to be enjoying themselves, so much that they want everyone else to know. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I suppose I'm not qualified to talk about England anyway, as 150 years ago most of my ancestors were Irish.

The difficult tightrope to walk is to celebrate Englishness without making it a fixed thing, and not not-celebrating not-Englishness. And admitting that not everything about it is worth celebrating.

But that's what multiculturalism is really about- the right to pick-and-mix the bits of cultural expression that ring well for you, without having to swallow it all at once like a raw egg, and without claiming that someone else's lucky bag is anathema.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Morris-ey
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:49 AM

She can't help herself, poor dear

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 12:06 PM

I'm just feeling sorry for her husband.
Get your kicks.....etc, etc.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 02:33 PM

On ROUTE 66

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 02:41 PM

Poor old Cuckoo Cornish, all that enthusiasm, and no idea!
G

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Blonde Lover
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:12 PM

Hey, I went to that site called Sam and Lizzie. Is that you Lizzie Cornish? I must be honest I can always fall for a good-looking blonde.

Are you spoken for?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:14 PM

I think the name of the site is a bit of a give-away, blonder lover! Or maybe you're a lover who happens to be blonde, in which case...
LOOK AT THE NAME OF THE SITE!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 05:37 PM

So all those 'blonde' jokes are true!
G.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 05:42 PM

anyone got a bucket?

LTS

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 05:43 PM

Second that.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 05:51 PM

A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, medicine go down....

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 06:44 PM

I'm not in the slightest bit sorry for Mr Route of Sidmouth and his incredibly stupid, possibly wayward in a pretendy sort of way, missus. What I am concerned about is what damage she has done to all those artists' careers. and to the Sidmouth Festival itself. If she and this 'Sam' (if he exists), want to disappear on a floaty pink cloud into the Albion sunset, then the sooner the better and good riddance.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:00 PM

Would that be Mr Paul Route perchance??

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:31 PM

Is she the 52 year old woman from Devon?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:35 PM

I think she's 3 months younger than that....

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:45 PM

Hey, Mods/Clones...are these links considered spam? If so, can they be removed?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Blonde Lover
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:14 PM

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 06:44 PM

I'm not in the slightest bit sorry for Mr Route of Sidmouth and his incredibly stupid, possibly wayward in a pretendy sort of way, missus. What I am concerned about is what damage she has done to all those artists' careers. and to the Sidmouth Festival itself. If she and this 'Sam' (if he exists), want to disappear on a floaty pink cloud into the Albion sunset, then the sooner the better and good riddance.


I am not sure what all this means - can someone enlighten me?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Blonde Lover
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 08:15 PM

I just thought that the lovely blonde lady looked lovely

And I like blondes

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:02 AM

Best to keep this one running.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:57 AM

I've received complaints that this thread is Spam, but I can't see why. It seems appropriate for Lizzie to use Mudcat to call attention to a site like hers. Her page on Nick Drake, for example, has a lot of information.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:36 AM

I agree with you about the information on Nick Drake Joe - it is well written and researched - and most of it can be found here

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 08:09 AM

All the stuff linked on this disjointed and badly laid out site are available elsewhere in a more intelligible format.
Are we quite sure that permission has been obtained from the owners of the linked websites?
Sorry but all I see on the AC website is shameless self indulgence and self promotion.

G

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 08:48 AM

No doubt that the authors have spent a lot of time composing these sites and despite the way it may be laid out, it is some sort of collation that some people might find useful. I've not spent much time looking and neither will I, however I would advise that the authors seek permission either from the artists or their agents in case the use of images of albums, lyrics and the audio and video clips risks violating copyright.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Blonde Lover
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 08:50 AM

I suspect if plagiarism was outlawed on the internet a lot of it would be shut!!

Can we leave the picture of the blonde please?

But I agree about the self-promotion and self indulgence.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM

A Bucket?

Don't you mean Bouquet?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:03 AM

I have seen a great deal of direct cut and pasting on various posts here but to incorporate the whole of a lengthy tribute from another source and simply add a short introductory paragraph must be pushing the barrier, even if attributed surely?
I wonder if the author of that piece was asked for permission

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM

Even if something is on the net, that doesn't mean that it is free for all to use, and the fact that it happens a lot doesn't actually make it legal. There's such a thing as intellectual copyright. Someone, for instance, once nicked a few sentences of mine and plonked them on a Wikipedia entry with no courtesy or by your leave. Wikipedia take intellectual copyright very seriously, and instantly removed the copy when I pointed out what had been done. In the case of the Nick Drake article, presumably the newspaper and the author concerned would have something to say about it's use if they were aware and had not given permission for it to happen.

As far as images go, the owners of copyright can be quite possessive and litigious! A local am dram company were about to produce a "Night at the Musicals" production here, and to advertise it used a bevy of photos taken from publicity for West End musicals. A friend of the impresario responsible for quite a few of these musicals happened to be in the theatre one evening, and the producer of the play ended up with the threat of legal proceedings if they were not instantaneously removed... a very dodgy area to get involved in!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:18 AM

On the rather tasteless opening Sam and Lizzie pages (the one before the Blonde!) there is an image -

"White Raven ©Thomas Canty. All Rights Reserved. Used Here For Educational Purposes Only "

Does that make it OK? Well the whole thing seems VERY "dodgy" to me

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: eddie1
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:23 AM

Whatever you folks say, I must thank them for the page on that well-known English folk group, The Poozies and I bet Patsy, Mary and Eilidh are pleased as well!

Eddie

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Emma B
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM

Hoots!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: eddie1
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:18 AM

Mon!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:30 AM

Ami

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Surreysinger
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:30 PM

Amo, amas ,amat.....

Oh no, sorry - got carried away there!!!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:37 PM

Ama blue toothbrush, you're a pink toothbrush?

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:21 PM

50 posts, and that's 50 too many!
G.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: RTim
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:58 PM

This is the worst web page I have EVER tried to visit! I have NEVER got to a content page as you are bombarded with pop-ups!

Tim Radford

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Pest Of A Guest
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:54 PM

It seems to me that nothing on this thread makes much sense, well it does, in a rather nasty, spiteful and childish way. I was always under the impression that flaming an individual or individuals was a banning offence, it appears I was wrong. Is this a sign of our times? If it is I hold little hope for the future

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:56 PM

Hi Lizzie! Wondered where you'd got to...

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Albion Fart
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 03:04 AM

Whilst browsing this website last night, something began to bother me. I looked at the writing on the opening page, which is pretty garbled, then looked at the writing on various pages, like the biographies of Thomas Hardy and Judi Dench and the articles about some places, which was all very articulate and grammatically correct. I started to smell a rat. So I did that thing that you do when you're testing for plagiarism: I copied and pasted a couple of passages, in inverted commas, into Google. Lo and behold - whole articles came up as existing elsewhere (and presumably these are the sources for the material in The Albion Chronicles). Bear in mind that these same articles on the Albion Chronicles contain no attributions at all, so the implication is that the authors of that site have written them. Indeed, I assumed that the authors of the site had written them, until it became clear that this was far from the truth.

Some articles, like the Thomas Hardy, are copied and pasted completely from another site. Others, like the one about Coggeshall and Judi Dench, are a paragraph here and there from several sites, including the BBC!

This is really bad practice. If a kid at school did it, they'd be facing exclusion for plagiarism. If you copy something that you have not written, you must both gain the permission of the person who HAS written it, and also credit them for their work.

I thought this would be pretty obvious to anybody, but the owners of the site might like to review their practice before they find themselves in some serious trouble. :0)

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 03:39 AM

It looks as if it might be quiteinteresting although a bit hard to find things on - and the !"£$%^&*( popups are a nuisance!

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Alec
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 03:52 AM

I'm pleased that was not just my experience Richard.
Though I am intending to upgrade to Broadband in the near future,as a dial-up user I gave up waiting for the slow loading time necesitated by somebody's attempts to interest me in Heidi Klum wallpaper.
I might try again once I have Broadband,but I would say to anybody on Dial-up that they might like to consider this site "one to avoid".

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Albion Fart
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 04:11 AM

"Heidi Klum wallpaper"

Ah, the heart of Albion.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

Interesting that no one has answered the charges on this thread...I'd have thought there would be a robust defense of "dear Sam" and his stolen goods...

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 12:20 PM

The owners of the site are Sam Reynolds and our own Lizzie Cornish.

Subject: RE: The Albion Chronicles-sites about England
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM

CM, you forgot your throwing up emoticon, © Chris Murray.
Essential if you are foolish enough to venture into the floaty pink-tinged Sam'n'Lizzie pages.