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What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves

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TWO BROTHERS (CIVIL WAR)


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GUEST,Ian Pittaway 29 Aug 06 - 01:00 PM
Kevin Sheils 29 Aug 06 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,It's "Two Brothers:" llink to yrics and a sc 29 Aug 06 - 01:06 PM
GUEST,Ian Pittaway 29 Aug 06 - 01:22 PM
GUEST,Eric 29 Aug 06 - 01:45 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 29 Aug 06 - 01:59 PM
GUEST,Songster Bob 29 Aug 06 - 02:16 PM
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Dave'sWife 29 Aug 06 - 10:58 PM
GUEST,Ian Pittaway 30 Aug 06 - 01:38 PM
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Dave'sWife 31 Aug 06 - 08:39 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: GUEST,Ian Pittaway
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:00 PM

Heard a stunner of a song at Shewsbury Folk Festival, which was announced as traditional. Can you identify this simple and very moving song. The idea is that two men go off to war, "one wore ???, one wore blue"; "one is ?????, one is kind(?)" but the cannonball that hits one doesn't care about that. The final(?) verse is, "Two girls waiting by the railroad track, one wore blue and one wore black". The refrain throughout is "All on a beautiful morning".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:04 PM

"Two Brothers" about the American Civil War.

It's in DT under that name


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: GUEST,It's "Two Brothers:" llink to yrics and a sc
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:06 PM

http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiTWOBROCW;ttTWOBROCW.html

Bob
Rowan County KY


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: GUEST,Ian Pittaway
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:22 PM

Thanks, Kevin, now I have it, and 4 threads related to it. I don't know of the writer, Irving Gordon, though. Anyone tell me anything about him? Also, me being English, finding this is a civil war related song and knowing little about the American civil war, could someone tell me the significance (if any) of "One wore blue and one wore gray" - are these colours the uniforms of opposing sides?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: GUEST,Eric
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:45 PM

Union side wore blue and Confederate Grey [in theory though I have read that a lot of farm boys wore what they had]. "1066 and all that" the old UK humorous history book has an interesting commentary on the UK Civil war which I guess could be applied to the US one. One side was "right but repulsive" the other was "wrong but romatic".

Eric


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 01:59 PM

Yes, Ian, the Union (northern) forces wore blue while the Confederate (southern) forces wore gray. But there was little else different in their uniforms. Most senior Confederate officers had been officers in the Union army prior to secession and adopted that army's garb whole-cloth as standard issue for their new commands, with the minor alteration of changing the predominant color from blue to gray. With a good coat of dust on their uniforms they surely had difficulty telling each other apart.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: GUEST,Songster Bob
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:16 PM

In fact, the uniform colors weren't uniform for the first two or more years of the war, and "The Iowa Grays" were fired on by their own side in one battle, for instance. Units had their own uniforms, ranging from Turkish-looking (Zouaves) to even gaudier.

They tell of one man, a cloth-dyer, whose factory was overrun by first the Union, whence he was required to dye a whole batch of cloth to Federal blue, then by the rebels, whence he had to dye the same cloth to grey, and then again by the Union, with the orders to dye it blue again. In disgust, he joined the army, giving rise to the saying, "Old dyers never fade, they just soldier away."

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:57 PM

(Old hairdressers never fade, they just dye away)

Sorry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 10:58 PM

and then there were the Zoaves units! (sp.) They sure were a peculiar bunch. For those that don't know, units mostly on the Union side formed these Zoave units that dressed like guys from Morrocco I think. They wore red baggy pants fezzes and embraoidered bolero jackets.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: GUEST,Ian Pittaway
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 01:38 PM

Thanks, folks, and sorry to be so ignorant about the civil war colours. But what about the author of the song, Irving Gordon? Anyone tell me anything about him? I think this is a stunning song. Did he write any other stunners? Did he record and perform or just write? If perform, on his own or with a group?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: GUEST,Ian Pittaway
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM

Mmmmmmm. Just done some investigating. This can't be the same Irving Gordon (14 February 1915 - 1 December 1996) who wrote 'Unforgettable' and the lyrics to 'Prelude to a Kiss', can it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: KenBrock
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 02:09 PM

It appaears it is. Here's the info at www.imdb.com:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330268/bio

The song is included at Disneyland at "Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln" and at "The American Adventure" at EPCOT within Disney World (Florida). Both are a recording by Colombian artist Alicia Almo.

www.allearsnet.com also states that Irving Gordon was the writer of the Abbott and Costello routine "Who's On First?".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 08:39 AM

I had the spelling Zouave wrong. Sorry.

here's one paragrapgh on them and a link. if you are from the UK and have an interest in the US War "War between the States" aka The Civil War - you might find the article interesting. Zouaves units were are very unusual fad of the time.


>>>American Zouaves

Numerous Zouave regiments were organized from American soldiers who adopted the name and the North African inspired uniforms during the American Civil War. The Union army had Zouave regiments throughout the conflict, while the Confederates fielded only a handful of Zouave units. Arguably the most famous Union Zouave regiments were from New York: the 5th New York Volunteer Infantry, "Duryee's Zouaves" (after its first colonel, Abram Duryee), and the 11th New York Volunteer Infantry, "Fire Zouaves".<<<

Zouaves (pronounced Zwahv or Zoo-ahv)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 08:46 AM

Zouaves are mentioned in:


THE BATTLE OF SHILOH

And this song which mentions my one of my ancestors, Colonel Michael Corcoran:
BOYS THAT WORE THE GREEN (William Woodburn)

My father's mother was his grand-niece, I believe. That would make me what? A Great-Great- Grand-niece?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 08:56 AM

Seems I remember the song vaguely from the early to mid-'60s -- must have made popular airplay in the US. Right around the time of the American Civil War centenniel.

Can't wrap my brain around it, though, to get a tune or more words, or even the title.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 09:13 AM

It's in the Digital Tradition.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 10:35 AM

I like to play this song on my dulcimer. I learned somewhere, probably in the 1960's, and I don't guarantee that my words or tune are perfect. I remember

Two young brides by the railroad track
repeat
One in white and the other in black
All on a beautiful morning.

I never liked the way that the words "the other" didn't really fit. After a long time, I remembered how my grandmother used to say "t'other" instead of "the other" ahd I have folk-processed my version to

One in white and t'other in black...

My grandmother also pronounced either with a short i. She's the only person I've ever heard do that, and I've always wondered where those pronunciations came from.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 11:26 AM

I realize I am carrying on a conversation with myself over this and that perhaps I ought to just start a Zouaves thread, but there's another song that mentions them by one of their nicknames, the Zou-Zous.


ABRAHAM'S DAUGHTER (Zouaves or Zou-Zous)

The whole reason I have gone off on this tangent is that the idea that the uniforms were Blue & grey is simplistic. At the beginning of the war, even the South wore some blue and then later, southern regiments often wore no standard unifrom at all. The North was also using a variety of uniforms, which often varied in make-up depnding on theo region of origin for the regiment. The Zouaves were simply the most extreme.


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 07:54 AM

Aha! Chad Mitchell Trio!

Linn


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: Melani
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:59 PM

The uniforms varied widely. Bredan's Sharpshooters, a Union outfit very popular at reenactments here in California, also wore green, a forerunner of camoflage. I have just joined a Confederate unit called the Norfolk Light Artillery BluesNorfolk Light Artillery Blues, a very old and prestigious Virgina "gentlemen's club." When the war started, they changed their blue uniforms for gray to avoid confusion, and began letting in regular folks like me.

I have heard that there was a New York Highland regiment that wore kilts at First Bull Run, but never tried that again!


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: Melani
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 11:22 PM

Sorry, I don't do links very well.


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: LadyJean
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 12:49 AM

I have the honor of numbering the great granddaughter of Colonel Morrison of the 69th New York Highlanders among my dearest friends. They muntinied when ordered into regular fedral uniforms. Kilts are great things. You don't get jock itch if you wear one.

Elmer W. Ellsworth of Illinois, the first casualty of the civil war was a Zouave. Come to Pittsburgh, Ellsworth Avenue and Elmer Street run parallel to each other through Shadyside.


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: mrdux
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 01:21 AM

i think the version i remember was by bud and travis. the weavers did one too.

michael


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: GUEST,Horatio Hornblower
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 07:52 PM

The Limeliters also did a haunting rendition of this song, as well as a stirring version of "Battle Cry of Freedom" (Rally 'Round the Flag).


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 04:53 PM

Irving Gordon was a close friend of mine. He wrote "Unforgettable" (for which he won a Grammy). He wrote hundreds of other songs such as Prelude to a Kiss, and Throw Mamma from the Train A Kiss A Kiss, and the score to the movie The Third Man (under a false name).
He also wrote comedy routines for the Sid Caesar's Your Show of Shows. He scored Walter Matthau's first movie, the Kentuckian.

He is the the only man in history to be in the songwriters hall of fame and the baseball hall of fame (for writing the Abbot & Costello routine Who's on First?)

I don't use the word genius lightly. He was a genius.



Jeff Simon


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: Mike in Brunswick
Date: 30 Jul 10 - 12:39 AM

Wow. Mr. Gordon's range is pretty impressive. From Prelude to a Kiss to Who's on First, by way of Throw Momma From the Train a Kiss.

I remember Two Brothers from the LP Live at the Gate of Horn by Bob Gibson and Bob Camp (later known as Hamilton Camp). It was part of their Civil War Trilogy

Mike


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 12:20 AM

Two Brothers was much beloved by Girl Scouts. They sang it around campfires at every opportunity. The Ballad of the Green Berets was also popular, as much for the high notes, I think as for the sentiment.


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Subject: RE: What's this anti-war song?-2 Brothers-Zouaves
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 31 Jul 10 - 01:45 AM

If I remember right, Bud and Travis did a great job of that song.


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