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Subject: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 07:56 PM

Just wondering if anyone knew where the heck it is?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:31 PM

Peace, doncha know anything? The underdogs don't commit war crimes...there's some kinda rule against it.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:06 PM

Just give it time. I think I am right about the second part coming.


LONDON - Amnesty International on Wednesday accused
Israel of war crimes, saying it broke international law by deliberately destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure during its recent war with Hezbollah guerrillas.
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The human rights group said initial evidence, including the pattern and scope of the Israeli attacks, number of civilian casualties, widespread damage and statements by Israeli officials "indicate that such destruction was deliberate and part of a military strategy, rather than 'collateral damage.'"

Amnesty International, whose delegates monitored the fighting in both Israel and Lebanon, said Israel violated international laws banning direct attacks on civilians and barring indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks.

"The scale of the destruction was just extraordinary," said Amnesty researcher Donatella Rovera, who visited Lebanon during the war and co-authored the report.

"There is clear evidence of disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks."

The group urged the United Nations to look into whether both combatants, Israel and Hezbollah, broke international law.

Amnesty International said it would address Hezbollah's attacks on Israel separately.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_re_mi_ea/amnesty_lebanon_1


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:58 PM

Well, one e-mail to AI in Canada, one to the AI World Secretariat and one to Reuters asking them if THEY know. I guess it'll be the UN next.

Silence is golden . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 09:12 AM

How about their starting with twice bombing the US Embassy in Beirut in the '80's?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: DougR
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:19 AM

Peace: One thing for sure, you won't see it reported in the New York Times, The Washington Post, and most of the other mainstream press.

IF there is ever such a report, you might hear it reported on The Fox News Network. Not on CNN, MSNBC or any of the major networks.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:48 AM

What terrorist organization bombed the Marine barracks in 1983?

The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck buildings in Beirut housing U.S. and French members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon, killing hundreds of soldiers, the majority being U.S. Marines. The October 23, 1983, blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli invasion in 1982, and it is considered one of the first instances of suicide bombing.

On October 23, 1983, around 6:20 am, a yellow Mercedes-Benz delivery truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, under the U.S. 2nd Marine Division of the United States Marines, had set up its local headquarters. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the Marines' compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and barreled into the lobby of the Marine headquarters. The Marine sentries at the gate were forbidden from using live ammunition, for fear that a discharge might kill a civilian, so they were powerless to stop him. According to one Marine survivor, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.

The suicide bomber detonated his explosives, which were equivalent to 12,000 pounds (about 5,400kg) of TNT. The force of the explosion collapsed the four-story cinder-block building into rubble, crushing many inside.

About 20 seconds later, an identical attack occurred against the barracks of the French Third Company of the Sixth French Parachute Infantry Regiment. Another suicide bomber drove his truck down a ramp into the building's underground parking garage and detonated his bomb, leveling the headquarters.

Death toll

Rescue efforts continued for days. While the rescuers were at times hindered by sniper fire, some survivors were pulled from the rubble and airlifted to the RAF hospital in Cyprus or to U.S. and German hospitals in West Germany.

The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers. Sixty Americans were injured. In the attack on the French barracks, 58 paratroopers were killed and 15 injured. In addition, the elderly Lebanese custodian of the Marines' building was killed in the first blast. The wife and four children of a Lebanese janitor at the French building also were killed.

This was the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima (2,500 in one day) of World War II. The attack remains the deadliest post-World War II attack on Americans overseas...
...many (notably the U.S. government) believe [2] that the Hezbollah, a Lebanese based militant group backed by Iran and Syria, was responsible for this bombing as well as the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April. Hezbollah, Iran and Syria have denied any involvement...


More here


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: freda underhill
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:52 AM

report here
you guys will be pleased to hear that, while the report calls for a UN enquiry into Israel's criminal destruction of civilian infrastructure, they also request a UN inquiry into Hizbullah.

freda


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:59 AM

I doubt if it will make any difference to them, freda. They are so entrenched in their role as world victims, they can't believe anything else.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:38 AM

"They are so entrenched in their role as world victims" sure, Hezbollah and the Palestinians claim to be the victims and you can't believe anything else.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: freda underhill
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 02:32 AM

what 9instrument do you play, Old guy?
(the horn?)


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 10:45 AM

Like the UN is going to be able to actually 'do' anything???? Or enforce it????


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST,walt
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 11:58 AM

According to the UN Israel has left around 1000000 unexploded bombs and cluster bombs in Lebanon...a lethal legacy for he civilians [farmers,shepherds,shopkeepers,children ,builders etc ] who are going to walk among them.
walt


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:06 PM

Since 1948 850,000+ Jews were stripped of their property and expelled from surrounding Islamic fascist states. Nobody is advocating they be allowed to "return" to their homes or be paid for their stolen property. It's also funny (sick) that nobody complains about the 650,000 "Palestinians" that were expelled from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War (for treason) back to their "Palestinian" state of Jordan.

Jewish Populations of Arab Countries: 1948 and 2001 Country or territory. This doesn't include those from Iran, Turkey, and other Muslim countries. Jews have lived in what are now Arab states, Iran, and Turkey at least since the Babylonian captivity (597 BCE), about 2,600 years ago. After the conquest of these lands by Arab Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians had the legal status of dhimmi. They were entitled to limited rights, tolerance, and protection, on the condition they pay a special poll ("jizya") tax. As dhimmi, Jews were typically subjected to several restrictions, the application and severity of which varied by time and place: residency in segregated quarters, wearing distinctive clothing, public humiliation to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal systems.


Jews expelled from Arab countries after 1948:            

Aden    8,000
Algeria 140,000
Egypt    80,000
Iraq    140,000
Lebanon 5,000
Libya    38,000
Morocco 265,000
Syria    30,000
Tunisia 105,000
Yemen    55,000
Total    866,000


Debunking myth: The Jews are Europeans that displaced native Arab people and stole their lands. Wrong! As of 2002 the Jewish population of Israel, even with Russian immigration of the 1990s, is 50% European Jews, 50% Muslim/Arabic Jews (and their children) expelled after 1948 from surrounding Arab/Muslim fascist nations. There was already Jews living there in Hebron, Jerusalem, etc to begin with. If we include the one million Israeli Arabs (Druze, Christian, etc.) the present population is overwhelmingly of non-European origin.
In the so-called "West Bank," Transjordan (Jordan) expelled/killed thousands of Jews and stole their property. This includes places such as Hebron, which had a Jewish community for centuries prior to "liberation" by Arab terror governments that refused to follow UN accords on partition. In fact they have never followed any UN accord and started another war in 1967 resulting in Israel retaking the West Bank, Gaza, and seizing the Golan Heights to stop Syrian terror. They returned stolen Jewish property to the former owners. (They also later returned the Sinai to Egypt.) There never was a state called "Palestine."


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:17 PM

So from now on we will refer to the Palestinian territory.

It may not be a State but it is definitely a territory with its own government.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 01:22 PM

walt, you have posted misinformation. Two errors of fact are in the first half sentence.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 03:25 PM

I don't play any instrument.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: DougR
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:40 PM

Aw shucks, Old Guy, you took the bait!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 09:49 PM

I guess I did. Whatever it was.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 09:41 PM

Well, where is that bastion of fairness and human rights, Amnesty International? Does anyone know if the report on Hezbollah's war crimes is out yet or coming out soon?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: pdq
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 10:07 PM

Maybe they sent it out with insufficient postage? Rates have gone up here recently, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: freda underhill
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 04:33 AM

No bait, OG, I just wondered what sort of music you listen to or sing, what folk style you prefer.

btw, a quote from that amnesty report:

"..Urge The Secretary General of Hizbullah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah to ensure that Hizbullah's armed wing put an immediate end to the targeting of Israeli civilians, notably the launch of rockets into Israeli towns and villages and that Hizbullah fighters do not initiate armed attacks from residential civilian areas and avoid locating military objectives within civilian areas."


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:10 PM

...well guys, you were wondering where it is .. any comments?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:24 PM

There was supposed to be a separate report.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:13 PM

Freida:

The only kind of music I don't like is Rap.

I like bluegrass, folk, classical, jazz, new age etc.

I dream about playing a Sax but I am afraid to try. I bombed out so bad on the guitar. My left index finger is messed up.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST,Mrrzy
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 09:10 AM

Old Guy - the Marine barracks bombing was Al Qaeda's maiden appearance, but it wasn't a war crime, it was a legitimate act of war.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: pdq
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 12:11 PM

The ignorance of the previous post is hard to believe.

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"Overview: On October 23, 1983 at 6:20 a.m. in the city of Beirut, Lebanon a large Mercedes truck drove into the Marine barracks compound near the Beirut International Airport and exploded, killing 241 people.

Why the United States was There? To answer that question, we have to go back to the creation of Lebanon. Following World War I, and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, France was left in charge of the land that was to become Lebanon. The Maronites, a Christian group, had a little more than half of the population, with the rest being Muslim Sunnis and Muslim Shiites, but the Maronites were given the power in Lebanon. That changed in 1943 when all three parties agreed to the National Pact, which allowed Lebanon to become independent from France. In this agreement, the Maronites would always hold the Presidency, while the Prime Minister would be a Sunni and the Speaker of the Parliament a Shiite.

By the 1970's this pact became intolerable to both the Sunni's and Shiites as the Maronites population dwindled to less than 1/3 of the total population and Shiites were now the majority religious faction. The Muslim's demanded more power but the Maronites declined to even talk about the matter. This resulted in the Lebanese Civil War which began in 1975.

Enter the PLO The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) under Yasser Arafat was expelled from Jordan and set up camp in the refugee camps of Southern Lebanon, mostly Beirut. The Muslim Lebanese welcomed the PLO because this gave them a military force and stronger leverage against the Maronites. Attacks on civilians on each end caused the beginning of the Civil War. Beirut was divided in half and along with Muslim recruits, the Palestinians fought the Maronites. In June 1976, on the verge of defeat, the Maronites asked for help from Syria. They responded by sending troops into Lebanon who immediately imposed a cease-fire. The PLO then turned its attention towards Israel and began a series of attacks against Northern Israeli citizens. In response to these attacks, the Israeli's invaded Lebanon. The U.N. demanded Israel withdraw from Lebanon, which they did later that year, setting up a barrier on the Lebanon Israeli border. The PLO's military faction and Israel's army fought back and forth along the border for nearly three years.

A Brokered Peace: In 1981, the United States was the mediator as an agreement between Syria, the PLO and Israel called for a cease-fire. This lasted less than a year, and after several incidents infuriated the Israeli's, Israel once again invaded Lebanon. They moved all the way up to Beirut, bombing suspected PLO targets. Again Israel withdrew, but left forces to provide a buffer zone between Lebanon and Israel at the border.

Military Presence: In August 1982, members of the Armed Forces of the United States, France and Italy moved into Lebanon to effect the evacuation of Syrian troops and PLO soldiers from Lebanon. A new President of Lebanon was elected and Israel gave their backing to the election. It was short-lived however, as the new President was assassinated by Syrian agents. The next day Israeli troops invaded West Beirut to secure any threats and to attempt to eradicate PLO members within the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila. This attempt led to the massacre of nearly 3000 (This number is in dispute) Lebanese in those refugee camps. While the Israeli military wasn't directly involved in the massacre, they stood by as members of the Lebanese Christian militia, sent in by the Israeli's to find any PLO members, killed many women and children. Later, the Israeli's agreed to withdraw from Lebanon on the sole condition that Syria left as well. Syria declined that invitation. As 1982 moved into 1983, Muslims began to view the multi-national force in Lebanon as an enemy just as dangerous as Israel. The Hezbollah, a terrorist organization funded by Iran and Syria, formed in the midst of this violence. In April 1983, they bombed the United States Embassy in Beirut, killing 63. It was a portent of things to come.

{portion edited-out for space reasons - me}

Aftermath: President Ronald Reagan called the attack a deplorable act and insisted that they would stay in Lebanon. They eventually moved the Marines out to the Naval Fleet in the Harbor to protect them. In 1984, the Marines departed. The United States did not retailiate for the attacks, fearing they would lose support of other Arab nations. The French, however, did response with an airstrike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which had given support to the Hezbollah organization."


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 12:19 PM

Omitted relevant material, from here .

"The Attack: The United States Marines were stationed in Beirut as a peace keeping force. They were headquartered in a compound building at the Beirut International Airport. At 6:20 a.m. on October 23, 1983 most Marines were still in bed. A yellow Mercedes delivery truck, not unlike many other trucks that came and went around the Marine barracks entered the International airport, turned on an access road that led to the Marine barracks and circled around a parking lot. The truck turned towards the compound and raced forward. It crashed through a chain link fence separating the parking lot from the entrance to the barracks. It burst through a gate and drove into the lobby of Marine Headquarters. The truck, carrying more than 12,000 pounds of TNT, was detonated by the driver.

The four story building immediately collapsed. Two hundred and twenty Marines, eighteen Navy personnel and three Army soldiers lost their lives in the attack. Sixty Americans were injured in the explosion. Two miles away and twenty seconds later, at the French barracks, another truck exploded, killing fifty-eight French paratroopers and injuring 15. Rescue attempts at the barracks were difficult as snipers took shots at the rescue workers."


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Old Guy
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:39 PM

A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation, and one or more others.

Where is the nation of Hezbollah or Al Qaeda?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:45 PM

My father was killed by Hezbollah back in the 80's - I actually am rather knowledgeable. And the attacking of an armed military force is not terrorism, whether "war" was "decared" or not, sorry. Soldiers are a legitimate target. I also use the word Soldier for any military person, even if they are Marines, sorry for the plain English.

Ronald Reagan may have declared peace before restocking the embassy with civilians, but that doesn't make it so.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:16 PM

Check out this casefor details on how we know Hezbollah did the Beirut embassy bombings in 1983 and '84.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:23 PM

An interesting link, Mrr, but that case has nothing at all to do with Beirut or Hezbollah.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:49 PM

I think it might be instructive for the Americans to look at how the killing of English soldiers was seen in Northern Ireland by the international community.

The prevailing view was that they were in a country where they had no business, it was an act of war and really the IRA had every right to zap your guys when they had the opportunity.   This is a view that you still hear voiced by many Americans on the Irish threads of mudcat.

I know its bloody difficult to be told that when its your young men, who have by and large given their lives for their country in good faith.

Politicians have a lot to answer for - putting our young men into these situations for no clear advantage.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 02:57 PM

It's kind of hidden, but we had to prove that Hezbollah did it before even showing that Iran sponsored them.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 03:53 PM

Of the thirty-two Canadian troops killed in Afghanistan, approximately 15% have been killed by American troops.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:08 PM

I think it might be instructive for the Americans to look at how the killing of English soldiers was seen in Northern Ireland by the international community. (WLD)

I disagree with 'the international community' part. The prevailing view in Germany was quite different maybe from our own experiences with the RAF (Red Army Faction). The word used was 'terrorism'.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:55 PM

"Of the thirty-two Canadian troops killed in Afghanistan, approximately 15% have been killed by American troops."

Why does this keep happening?

Why is it that American troops are never killed by 'friendly fire'?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:59 PM

Never? Don't you watch the news? It happens entirely too often.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:13 PM

PS,

I'm not blaming the Yanks. Artilery, air strikes: it's not an exact science. It's just as exact as the military can get it at this point. Blue on Blue. Never a good thing, but then war seldom is either.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 01:28 AM

artbrooks - I very rarely watch American news. When I google 'friendly fire', I find news about Canadian military men who have died or been injured by 'friendly fire' from the U.S. Perhaps you would be so kind as to inform me how many U.S. military men have been killed and/or wounded by 'friendly fire'.

Is it just the U.S. military that is failing to communicate or have other military organization also engaged in friendly fire incidents? My impression is that the U.S. is not being very careful about who they target and that the penalties they receive as a result are very small and insignificant.

If I am wrong, please refer me to a credible source.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: artbrooks
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:19 AM

If you Google "+"friendly fire" +afganistan -canadian" you will omit most of the articles about the most recent incident. According to USA Today, there were at least 16 'friendy fire" deaths as of mid-August and a number more were still under investigation.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 11:50 AM

Story here.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 10:22 AM

Amnesty International has released its report on Hezbollah. Story here.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 10:38 AM

LONDON (Reuters) - Lebanese guerrilla group Hizbollah committed war crimes in its conflict with Israel by targeting civilians with rockets packed with metal ball bearings, rights group Amnesty International said on Thursday.

It said around a quarter of the nearly 4,000 rockets that Hizbollah launched into Israel during the 34-day war were fired directly into urban areas.

"The scale of Hizbollah's attacks on Israeli cities, towns and villages, the indiscriminate nature of the weapons used and statements from the leadership confirming their intent to target civilians make it all too clear that Hizbollah violated the laws of war," Amnesty's Secretary-General Irene Khan said.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 11:02 AM

"Of the thirty-two Canadian troops killed in Afghanistan, approximately 15% have been killed by American troops."

Those 15% were killed - at least, mostly - in one incident, right? That is hardly "keep happening".

'Friendly fire' is not a new phenomenon. It has killed many military, for hundreds, if not thousands of years- including Stonewall Jackson, a popular American Civil War leader.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 02:52 PM

Hezbollah accused of war crimes; Ed O'Loughlin Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem; September 15, 2006 sydney morning herald

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL has accused the Hezbollah militant group of committing war crimes by targeting Israeli citizens with long-range attacks during the 34 day Israel-Lebanon war. Thousands of Hezbollah rockets were fired across the border into northern Israel, killing 43 Israeli civilians. Hundreds of thousands more fled their homes to find safety further south.

In a report released yesterday, Amnesty accused the Shiite militant group of deliberately failing to distinguish between civilian and military targets, and of wrongfully seeking to justify its barrage by claiming to be retaliating for Israel's attacks on Lebanese civilians. Amnesty and several other human rights groups have already accused Israel of committing war crimes with an air and artillery bombardment which Amnesty says killed "some 1000" Lebanese civilians. It called on the United Nations Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, to set up an international investigation into the conduct of both sides in the conflict.

"The fact that Israel in its attacks in Lebanon also committed violations of international humanitarian law amounting to war crimes, including indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks, is not an acceptable justification for Hezbollah violating the rules of war, whether as a deterrent or as a means of retaliation or retribution," the report says.

The Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz meanwhile, reported that Israeli gunners fired rockets and shells containing more than a million cluster bomblets at targets inside Lebanon, including civilian villages, despite the likelihood that up to 40 per cent of these bomblets would fail to detonate immediately but would remain deadly for years. "The cluster bomb … is described as an 'indiscriminate weapon', which should not be used against targets in civilian areas because, inter alia, it continues to kill once the war is over," said an editorial in the paper. "Since the ceasefire went into effect, 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by duds that exploded unexpectedly."

The Israeli Defence Force pointed out that neither cluster bombs nor phosphorous shells were banned under international law, and said it only used them in accordance with the rules of war. It denied targeting civilians and said its bombardment was designed solely to prevent Hezbollah firing into Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 04:06 AM

Ebbie - It has happened twice (that I know of) since the invasion of Afghanistan. I know it happens in war but I wonder how many U.S. soldiers have been killed by their allies in the Middle East? Haven't heard of any. Seems to me it is the U.S. that keeps getting their wires crossed.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 11:51 PM

Do some searching once in a while.

"Friendly-fire incidents began to garner significant public attention during the 1991 Gulf War when reporters on the battlefield witnessed allied forces accidentally firing on one another. According to the Centre for Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, recent examinations of the U.S. Civil War, the First World War and the Second World War have caused estimates of the occurrence of friendly fire to be raised to 15 to 20 per cent of all casualties from 3 to 5 per cent.

From February 2004 to February 2005, 32 attacks on British and other coalition vehicles in southern Iraq were reported as "friendly-fire" incidents. American troops were involved in a vast majority of the incidents, opening fire at night against suspected insurgents who turned out to be friendly forces. To date, at least 16 American soldiers have been killed as a result of friendly fire during operations in Iraq and Afghanistan; at least nine deaths are still under investigation."


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 12:05 AM

To date, at least 16 American soldiers have been killed as a result of friendly fire during operations in Iraq and Afghanistan; at least nine deaths are still under investigation".

Who were those that fired at the 16 American soldiers?


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 12:09 AM

You tell us. Which you will do if it was Americans. You will be silent if it is others. Hate your own country. Wish you had stayed there to help make it better.


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Subject: RE: BS: AI--report on Hezbollah war crimes?
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 02:22 PM

I have no idea who killed those American soldiers with 'friendly fire.' Since Guest gave the figures, I am assuming that you also know who was responsible. I so not. It was a question.

If I am left to guess, I would assume that most 'friendly fire' incidents are the result of American forces being 'trigger happy', undisciplined and lacking in communication skills. If this is not the case, prove it.


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