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BS: Right to Workgate

Old Guy 14 Sep 06 - 01:43 PM
kendall 14 Sep 06 - 01:13 PM
Old Guy 13 Sep 06 - 11:31 PM
Susu's Hubby 13 Sep 06 - 10:53 PM
toadfrog 13 Sep 06 - 10:35 PM
Leadfingers 13 Sep 06 - 01:56 PM
Leadfingers 13 Sep 06 - 01:55 PM
Greg F. 13 Sep 06 - 01:48 PM
Old Guy 13 Sep 06 - 12:17 PM
Old Guy 13 Sep 06 - 11:54 AM
dianavan 13 Sep 06 - 02:05 AM
Old Guy 13 Sep 06 - 12:51 AM
kendall 12 Sep 06 - 07:25 PM
Old Guy 12 Sep 06 - 05:40 PM
Greg F. 12 Sep 06 - 03:51 PM
kendall 12 Sep 06 - 03:45 PM
Old Guy 12 Sep 06 - 10:45 AM
kendall 12 Sep 06 - 08:23 AM
Old Guy 12 Sep 06 - 12:33 AM
Old Guy 12 Sep 06 - 12:32 AM
Barry Finn 11 Sep 06 - 01:53 PM
Old Guy 11 Sep 06 - 01:41 PM
Bobert 10 Sep 06 - 09:25 AM
Old Guy 10 Sep 06 - 12:31 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 01:43 PM

I asked you if you were arrogant. Are you?

I am sorry for all of the crying and whining I have caused you. Please accept my appology.

PS:

I don't give a shit about the next election. Que sera, sera.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 01:13 PM

Hey Old Guy, I proved you wrong and all you could come up with was to call me arrogant. And, after the next election we will see who sucks snot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 11:31 PM

Toadfrog. This is the non music section.

Besides there is a bigger concentration of crybabies here. I like to see them whine, cry and suck snot when tHey are told they are wrong.

GF: I assume you read the topic of this thread. Other people bring up Bush when they can't face the facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 10:53 PM

Big Mick says....."But the right to work laws say I must still represent them, even though they haven't paid cent one in dues. That means the folks that are members have to subsidize those who choose not to contribute their fair share."


It's a bitch isn't it, Mick?

Being told to help those who don't lift a finger to help themselves.

It sucks having to carry those who practice no personal responsibility.

Whoda thunk it?


What is this country coming to?


Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: toadfrog
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 10:35 PM

Query:

I'm an "old guy" too.

Golly, Old Guy, how come you hang out here, in a music forum? I just looked over your 645 or so postings on Mudcat. Not one had anything to do with music. Just out of curiosity, what are you doing here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 01:56 PM

Ooops ! got a 100th and didnt claim it !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 01:55 PM

The only time I have not been a card carrying Union Member was when i was in the Forces - Now I am retired but still a member of Equity ,
because the Union is there to help the working man !
And it still gives me Public Liability insurance for the odd gig that I do !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 01:48 PM

Ah, but then Bush IS an inconvenient fact to the BuShites trying increasingly desperately to defend him & his policies.

And Space Aliens SHOULD be paid more- their commute is a right bastard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 12:17 PM

Burried in the current amnesty bill is the provision that the aliens must be paid more per hour than American citizens doing the same job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 11:54 AM

It sure does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 02:05 AM

That figures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 12:51 AM

Funny thing is, I don't give a shit if Democrats win control. It will be entertaining if nothing else.

I am registered as independant and I am basing my voting on whio is against giving citizenship to illegal aliens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:25 PM

The facts is what is going to sink the republicans in the next election. people are wising up. Finally.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:40 PM

Get confronted by inconvenient facts? Bring Up Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 03:51 PM

He's not avoiding the issue- he's following the BuShite Game Plan.
Yet Again.

Get confronted by inconvenient facts? Bring Up Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 03:45 PM

Not a damn thing. See what it's like when YOU avoid the issue?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 10:45 AM

What does that have to do with the right to work law?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 08:23 AM

Anyone who has been following the news these days must be able to see the crap that is going on in Washington under the Bush administration.It's a pretty good bet that the democrats will regain the house, and maybe even the senate.

BON FIRE !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:33 AM

"Simply put, the leftist labor unions have the Democrats in their pockets. And we're all paying the price."

Linda Chavez, President George W. Bush's original choice for Secretary of Labor and a former union official, is one of the foremost authorities on America's labor unions. Now, in the explosive new book Betrayal, she and fellow union expert Daniel Gray expose the corrupt bargain between the labor movement and the Democratic Party.

Committed to a far-left political agenda—and to enhancing their own power—union bosses funnel at least half a billion dollars into Democratic coffers every year. And they do it, illegally, by using dues money that workers are forced to pay as a condition of their employment—dues money that each year brings the unions $17 billion, all of it tax-free.

What do labor bosses get in return? The power to call the shots in Democratic campaigns and on party policy, extraordinary influence at all levels of government, billions of dollars in taxpayer-funded federal grants, and special legal privileges that leave them free to act as they please, no matter the consequences for the American people. The cycle of corruption is seemingly endless.

Chavez and Gray name names, exposing the many politicians who are in Big Labor's pocket—including the leading lights of the Democratic Party. Betrayal also reveals:

• Big Labor's all-out efforts in the 2004 election, including how just one local union has launched a $35-million campaign to unseat President Bush

• How corrupt union officials use members' hard-earned money to fund lavish lifestyles—and how their Democratic supporters let them get away with it

• How unions flout the law by failing to report any of their political spending to the IRS

• How a government report uncovered the Democrats' sellout to Big Labor—but how the unions and the Democrats sued to keep the report from going public

• How the U.S. government lets unions practice legalized terrorism against American citizens

• How public-employee unions extort concessions from the government and put Americans at risk by refusing to provide vital services like policing and firefighting

• How Americans now live under a system of legal apartheid—one set of rules for labor bosses, another for the rest of us

All of us foot the bill for this corrupt system. Now it's up to us to do something about it.

http://www.amazon.com/Betrayal-Members-Corrupt/dp/product-description/1400052599


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:32 AM

In 1997, when LOGCAP was again put up for bid, Halliburton/Brown & Root lost the competition to another contractor, Dyncorp. But the Clinton Defense Department, rather than switch from Halliburton to Dyncorp, elected to award a separate, sole-source contract to Halliburton/Brown & Root to continue its work in the Balkans.

Contractor Campaign Contributions


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Barry Finn
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 01:53 PM

Halliburton has been around for quite a while, it's not Clinton who was working for them it was Chaney who was on their payroll while they were getting no bid contracts.
Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 01:41 PM

So who is Boss Hog? Have you got another name for him or it?

How did Clinton do with those no bid contracts he gave to Halliburton? Did he get any kickbacks?

Did Boss Hog rent the Lincoln Bedroom? Is he or it a Red Chinese?

Bobert has been brainwashed again:

Writing in the Washington Post, columnist Michael Kinsley called the Halliburton contract "nation-building, Republican-style, with huge contracts awarded in secret to politically connected companies." The New York Times editorialized that the contract "looks like naked favoritism" and "undermines the Bush administration's portrayal of the war as a campaign for disarmament and democracy, not lucre."

One element missing from all the criticism was a serious examination of what the Halliburton contract actually involved and how it came to be signed. For example, was it really reached without competition, as Waxman charged? As it turns out, the evidence that is publicly available (some of it remains classified) suggests that Waxman's accusations are misleading at best and flat wrong at worst. It appears not only that there was not "naked favoritism" at work in the Halliburton contract, but that the Corps of Engineers, and the Bush administration, acted reasonably and properly in awarding the contract — no matter what Waxman says...
...The first LOGCAP was awarded in 1992, as the first Bush administration (including then-Secretary of Defense Cheney) was leaving office. Four companies competed, and the winner was Brown & Root, as it was known at the time (Halliburton changed the name to Kellogg Brown & Root after an acquisition in 1998). The multi-year contract was in effect during much of the Clinton administration. During those years, Brown & Root did extensive work for the Army under the LOGCAP contract in Haiti, Somalia, and Bosnia; contract workers built base camps and provided troops with electrical power, food, and other necessities.

In 1997, when LOGCAP was again put up for bid, Halliburton/Brown & Root lost the competition to another contractor, Dyncorp. But the Clinton Defense Department, rather than switch from Halliburton to Dyncorp, elected to award a separate, sole-source contract to Halliburton/Brown & Root to continue its work in the Balkans. According to a later GAO study, the Army made the choice because 1) Brown & Root had already acquired extensive knowledge of how to work in the area; 2) the company "had demonstrated the ability to support the operation"; and 3) changing contractors would have been costly. The Army's sole-source Bosnia contract with Brown & Root lasted until 1999. At that time, the Clinton Defense Department conducted full-scale competitive bidding for a new contract. The winner was . . . Halliburton/Brown & Root. The company continued its work in Bosnia uninterrupted.

That work received favorable notices throughout the Clinton administration. For example, Vice President Al Gore's National Performance Review mentioned Halliburton's performance in its Report on Reinventing the Department of Defense, issued in September 1996. In a section titled "Outsourcing of Logistics Allows Combat Troops to Stick to Basics," Gore's reinventing-government team favorably mentioned LOGCAP, the cost-plus-award system, and Brown & Root, which the report said provided "basic life support services — food, water, sanitation, shelter, and laundry; and the full realm of logistics services — transportation, electrical, hazardous materials collection and disposal, fuel delivery, airfield and seaport operations, and road maintenance."
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http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york070903.asp


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 09:25 AM

Halliburton getting caught trying to steal from me as a taxpayer ain't rhetoric, Old Guy... And did anyone in Halliburton go to jail??? Well, of course not... That ain't rhetoric... No bid contracts that go to large, well connected, campaign contributin' corporations is was Boss Hog is all about... If you want a list of the Boss Hog's in America just Google up "no bid contracts" and you'll have have alot of 'um... And behind nearly every one of them you'll find, if you look hare enough, kickbacks to the Bush regime...

And, BTW, these days you have to look beyond the pioneer/ranger protection money charade and look deep inside the Republican 501(c) money machine... But good luck 'cause unlike the 527's this money is almost untraceable... But that's the way the Bush folks like their politics... Untraceable...

And these realities can't be so easily dismissed as rhetoric because they are very mush real... This is a very corrupt governemnt... Legislators don't write legislation anymore... Lobbiests do... Hmmmmm? And who do these lobbiests work for??? Boss Hog, that's who...

And seeing this doesn't make me anti-business, just anti-corruption...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 12:31 AM

Is that Boss Hogg a company?

What does Boss Hogg do with whatever he is stealing, if that is what you are claiming?

It's hard to tell what you are claiming because it is laced with sarcasam and filled with rhetoric.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 08:08 AM

I'm more optomistic than that, Kendall...

I see a few lights comin' on in a few of the angry white NASCAR dads who are slowly figuring out that it ain't the "liberals' who have their hands in their pockets but Boss Hog's hands...

One thing about Southerners is that they are real slow to figurate stuff out but once they do it's almost impossibile to turn 'um back around... Right now, Boss Hog is too stupid to see that...


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 09:32 PM

Americans are working longer hours , working two jobs,and their buying power is shrinking year by year. We have reached the point where we have to run like hell just to keep up! It's not hard to picture what will happen when the last union goes under.

Getr ready to learn how to say "Yowsah Boss."


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 08:04 PM

Hey, Old Guy, have I ever said that there was anything wrong with a company making a profit???

Yes   ______

No    ______

See, you love to sling accusations but you can't back them up... Hey, you have some legitimate folks here with legitimate positions and questions so why no spend some more time rebuttin' and less time trying to tell other folks what you wished they had said??? Heck, if that's all you want to do you don't need Mudcat... All you need is Microsoft word processer and you can carry on this nice little debate between you and imagined people... And it will also save you from havin' to be called on the carpet for making false statements about other folks positions...

And for the record, one can be both pro-business and pro-labor... Yeah, I'm sure this may go against everything that that you think but think about it this way: a happy worker who doesn't have to take another job to make ends meet is a productive worker... If you were to look back at the productivity since the labor movement you'd find that productivity increased measurably with the increased influence of unions...

One might even argue that had the United States not benefited from the labor movement in the 20's and 30's that come WWII the country might not have had the porductivity to win the war...Now I'm not making a blanket statement to that effect but it is certainly somenthing for some college kid to research and write a danged fine PHD thesis about...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 07:11 PM

Fat Old Woody must work for THIS OUTFIT which proudly states that its "Protecting American Workers and Employers from the Tyranny of Unions"

Oh, we're the John Birch Sociery

The John Birch Sociery

Here to save the country from a Communistic Plot!
Oh, we're the John Birch Sociery

Help us fill the ranks

To get this movement started

We need lots of tools and cranks.........


Jeez, I thought the NeoCons maintain that Unions are weak, ineffectual effeminite girlie-men organizations whose time is past.
How, then, have they the power to "Tyrrannize" anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 03:38 PM

Kendall: You have a valid point there but why should unions who have outgrown their purpose and usefullnes continue to try to pump up wages and stifle the economy?

You can deny that rising wages are not what forces jobs overseas but it is what forces jobs offshore.

NAFTA and PNTR were Clinton's accomplishments.

And you claim people should not have the right to choose not to pay union dues? They should be forced to pay union dues but Walmart (according to you) unfairly and illegally forces people to use medicaid for health insurance? It is clear you think are the only judge in the world qualified to decide what is fair.

I think people can decide what is fair and should be allowed to decide what is fair without union brainwashing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 07:21 AM

And that middle class was created by labor unions too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 01:39 AM

American Heritage Dictionary.

Bobert is paranoid when he accuses Bush of a power grab.

If you have a company that is making money is it on the take?

You bitch about companies, businesses taking money from the middle class. But you are the middle class and you are not losing net worth.

Do you really know anything that dosen't conflict with something elses you claim? I bought a foreign car. I support unions.

Now are you going to claim that you have not benefited from the economy when you brag about how life is good and you bought and sold so many properties?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 08:24 AM

Old Guy, where did you get that definition of liberal/conservative, off a tea bag tab?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 07:44 AM

Show me where I have knocked any companies that weren't either on the take or mired in greed...

Compabnies ain't the problem, Old Guy... Crooks are...

But see, there you go again makin' these generalized statements that are not based on fact... You think if you can pin some kinda anti-business label on me that you somehow can go from there and pin other kinds of labels on me... It's all about framin' and labelin' for you... Purdy sad thjat youi have to resort to tryinmg to pigeon hole everyone when most folks just ain't all that simple to pigeon hole...

As for yer liberal/conservate you again make a patent Old-Guy-generalization... Yer either against terrorism or yer a liberal is what come thru loud and clear... What a crock...

If you and yer hero, George Bush, are so concerned about terrorism then how come you all are gettin' such bad grades from the bi-partisan 9/11 Commission??? Hmmmmmmm????

There's more to fighting terrorism than Bush's my-way-or-the-highway attitude... He's chosen to go it alone because Karl Rove saw that he could consolidate power that way and for no other reason... Jus' onbe big ol' power grab... And look were it's gotten us???

$312,561,410,024.00 of increased debt and pushing 3000 American lives in Iraq alone...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:38 AM

Weeeell Bobert, It depends on wether those swing voters consider someone who just bitches and whines about someone fighting terrorisim and tries to thwart them more appealing than someone who is actually doing something to fight terrorisim.

Liberal: 1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions. 2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

Conservative: 1. One favoring traditional views and values. 2. A supporter of political conservatism.

That's me, One favoring traditional views and values.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 11:40 PM

...From Wall Street's point of view, Clinton's eight years in office have to be viewed as a smashing success. When he took office, the New York Stock Exchange's Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at 3,300. At the time of writing, it stands at more than 10,000. Inflation dropped to imperceptible levels and, in May 2000, unemployment hit a 30-year low of 3.9 percent. Between 1992 and 1997, corporate profits grew by an average of 15 percent annually. The U.S. had clearly zoomed ahead as the world's leading economy.

Yet all that glittered in the "miracle economy" wasn't gold. Of the 22.5 million jobs created since the American boom began, about half of them pay less than $7 an hour. And the number of part-time workers desiring full-time work, combined with the number of low-wage ($7/hour or less) workers, is three times the number of workers without jobs. Low unemployment has boosted wages, but only back to 1989 levels in real terms.

To achieve even that standard of living, Americans work six weeks longer per year than they did in the 1970s. Even with the tax increases in Clinton's 1993 budget plan, the wealthy pay a substantially lower percentage of their income in taxes than they did in 1977. Meanwhile, 38 million Americans remain poor by the government's own statistics, which underestimate the true level of poverty, according to many experts.

This growing gap between rich and poor was no accident. It followed directly from the Clinton-Gore economic program. Whenever Clinton faced a choice between economic policies favoring Wall Street or those that might help Main Street, "in almost every instance, [Clinton] took the route favored by Wall Street, business executives and conventional economists, not the ones that ordinary people might have favored and that almost certainly would have been easier to defend politically."...

More at http://www.isreview.org/issues/13/clinton-gore.shtml


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 10:07 PM

Bobert, howcome you keep knocking companies when you have your own? Is it one that maximizes profits and minimizes costs or is it one of those philanthropic ones?

October 10 2000         China-PNTR Enacted
This Act was a crucial step to complete a major trade goal of the Clinton-Gore Administration, opening China's markets to American manufactured goods, farm products and services by allowing China to become part of the WTO, forcing it to slash import barriers against American goods and services. The United States agreed to maintain market access policies we currently apply to China.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/china/trade.html

In the late 1990s, Washington was a sharply divided political city, but there was a growing consensus on one big issue. Most Republicans and Democrats agreed that trade with China would be a boon for America.

President Clinton summed up the mainstream consensus in Washington with a message to Congress in the spring of 2000. In a letter circulated to House members, he wrote, "China with more than a billion people is home to the largest potential market in the world… If Congress makes the right decision, our companies will be able to sell and distribute products in China made by American workers on American soil, without being forced to relocate manufacturing to China. …We will be able to export products without exporting jobs."

Clinton was pushing Congress to permanently normalize trade relations with Beijing, helping to ease China's entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO). Big business was furiously lobbying Capitol Hill in favor of the legislation. It saw China, with its 1.2 billion consumers, as a vast new emerging market and many parts of Corporate America wanted a piece of the action.

Just weeks before the legislation received the president's signature, Robert Burt, chairman of the Business Roundtable, an association of CEOs of leading American corporations, spoke boldly about the future. "This historic legislation will be remembered as the key that opened the door for America to sell its products and services to the world's largest emerging marketplace," he declared.

Other executives around the U.S. were equally strong in supporting U.S. trade with Beijing, and China's efforts to get into the WTO because they reasoned that China would then be required to play by the same trading rules as the WTO's other members. Moreover, as Europeans rushed to do business in China, American corporate captains did not want to be left behind. They worried that unless the U.S. backed the move, they would lose out to the Europeans, a worry Chinese officials played upon effectively from time to time during the 1990s.

On Capitol Hill, legislation to normalize trade with China got overwhelming bipartisan support in the Senate, where it passed, 83 votes to 15. Even in the House, where Democrats were split on the issue, the president received support from three-quarters of the Republicans, and the legislation passed by a wide margin, 237 to 197.

President Clinton signed the legislation at the White House in early October, and China joined the WTO 14 months later, on Dec. 11, 2001.

So How Did the U.S. Trade Opening with China Work Out?

For many, America's trade with China has not lived up to the enthusiastic advance billing from the Clinton administration, its Republican supporters on Capitol Hill and Corporate America.

Expanded trade with China has, in fact, been a blessing for large U.S. multinationals like Boeing, Caterpillar, and Cargill, which had trumpeted the prospect of a massive Chinese market for American products and services. China is the world's fastest growing market for commercial aviation, and needs billions of dollars worth of airplanes from Boeing. Its growing infrastructure has been a boon for companies like Caterpillar, which produces tractors and other heavy equipment. And it is importing billions of dollars worth of farm products, a boon to companies like Cargill. Last year, China bought $2.9 billion worth of soybeans -- the top U.S. export crop to China. China also has proven to be a growing market for U.S.-made fertilizer and chemicals.

But China has been a tougher market to crack for smaller and mid-sized American companies, like those selling bicycles, vacuum cleaners, and lawn mowers, who face stiff price competition from Chinese manufacturers of these products. And they also face discriminatory rules, burdensome red tape, language difficulties, and a population that earns only a fraction of what U.S. consumers make, and therefore lacks the purchasing power to buy consumer goods made in America.

Yvonne Smith, the communications director at the Port of Long Beach, literally sees the imbalance in U.S.-China trade. She reports that through Long Beach alone, the U.S. is importing $36 billion in goods yearly from China and exporting just $3 billion. By her account, the mix of products is very unfavorable to the U.S.

"We export cotton, we import clothing," Smith reports. "We export hides, we bring in shoes. We export scrap metal. We bring back machinery. We're exporting waste paper, we bring back cardboard boxes with products inside them."

Overall, the U.S. trade deficit with China reached a record $124 billion dollars in 2003 and the figure is headed even higher this year. Today, U.S. imports from China outpace U.S. exports to China by more than five to one, and the deficit shows no signs of abating.

These deficits are much larger than the trade deficits that the United States experienced in the 1980s and 1990s with Asian trading partners such as Japan. Put in historical perspective, America's current trade deficit with China is roughly double what it was at its height with Japan in the mid-1980s, when trade frictions between the U.S. and Japan led Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-Texas) to famously declare on the floor of the U.S. Senate: "We're in a trade war, and we're losing it."


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:02 PM

Old Guy,

Of course I have a company... Well, technically an LLC... What's it to ya'??? Seems every small businessmann has either a company or corporation... Who cares??? It's Business 101... Like what is your point, Old Guy???

Plus, statements like your 12:56 PM post only make you the bullsh*ter... Not all these so called "liberals" that you keep talkin' about... I'm not too sure who exactly you mean when you use this term but surely you haven't put any real thought into it... Yeah, this is just more Bush I politics... Oh, these liberals... Oh, these intellectuals... Horrors...

But keep it up, Old Guy, 'cause guess what??? The swing voters who have bought into that crap in the past ain't buyin' it no more... The Americanpeople have figured your side out and the more you make this assinine general statements to dumber you sound... That's exactly why Bush ain't got the approval nu7mbers anymore... Folks are tired of dumbass politics and policies and want more for their tax dollars...

And that's what I just heard from a heating and air conditioning contrator about 2 hours ago who still has a slightly worn out Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on the back of his SUV... Folks are seeing theu the lies and corruption and there aren't enought dumbass redneck Texas sayin's to bring these folks back... And I'm talkin' conservative Republican Virginians who have had more than enough of thecrap that apparently still entertains you, Oldster...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:37 PM

I see he finally admitted that there ARE secret prisons around the world where we send suspects for "alternative interview methods"


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:35 PM

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public
servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is
warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency
in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a
whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full
liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly
necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does
right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are
to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the
truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more
important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about
any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:32 PM

What a pleasure it was to hear an intelligent man speak. One who can pronounce "Nuclear" and "particularly".


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: curmudgeon
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:10 PM

Here's   the speech that "Old Guy" lifted a non-sequitor from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 05:14 PM

5 May 1995         During commencement at Michigan State University, President Clinton declares: "There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending that you can love your country but despise your government."


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 12:56 PM

The way you guys try to negate facts with sarcastic bullshit Liberal cliches is amusing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:42 AM

The irony of it is, Clinton was more republican than democrat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:23 AM

Naw, Kendall, its the standard braun-dead Bushite response to being confronted with unpleasant facts:

Bring Up Bill Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: kendall
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:58 AM

Old Guy, if I were you, I'd be very careful about bringing up political corruption.


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 12:57 AM

Who get them off, Bill & Al aren't in office, they aren't holding the cards?

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 12:36 AM

Arthur A. Coia, the former president of a labor union who has raised millions of dollars for Bill Clinton, Al Gore and the Democratic Party, pleads guilty to defrauding taxpayers in Rhode Island of nearly $100,000 in taxes that were due on three Ferrari sports cars worth more than $1.7 million. Coia gets two years probation and a $10,000 fine.

http://prorev.com/connex2.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Old Guy
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 10:16 PM

Bobert: Do you have a company?


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Subject: RE: BS: Right to Workgate
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:58 PM

So what??? Walter Reuther ain't got much to do with the out-of-wackness that we see today with the corporations owning the government...

And Economics 101, at least when I took it was about free market supply and demand... When y6ou have a corrupt governemnt intent on redristributing income to the very small minority of folks who put the corrupt governemnt in place you can take Econ 101, tie a friggin' brick around it and throw it off the Talahatchee Bridge...

Econ 101, my butt, Marty... Try Corrupt Gov 101... That's more like it...

Bobert


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