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what do you think of morris offspring???

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Subject: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,the warlocks of halifax
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 09:16 PM

We think there crap!!! and are a load of bollocks!!! and will anybody have 50pence sex with a couple of chaps in a yak suit????
its a plan aint love!!!! please comment on the "shit"spring underneath my elusive third testical!!!! that would be great!!!
p.s penis


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: vectis
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 09:36 PM

I gather that you don't rate them then.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Peace
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 09:45 PM

I hope the warlocks of halifax will post again, but in English. I don't have any Gaelic and so have NO idea what the hell that post said.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 10:24 PM

Gaelic isn't much spoken in Halifax, or in other parts of Yorkshire come to that.

Gibberish is, of course; as elsewhere.

I think we should be told more about this yak suit business, though, in case there is another outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. Forewarned is forearmed.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 11:01 PM

Sometimes, as the world rotates and revolves and the moon does that thing the moon usually does, there is an unusually strong gravitoidinal pull, and more drugs wind up in some areas than others. I think this may be what's going on here. Imbalance caused by an unusually strong drug tide. If once watches this too closely, they become tide eyed.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 11:02 PM

What? Morris Offspring? A Morris is a pretty small car to start with and its offspring would be even smaller. Who'd drive 'em? Midgets?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 06 - 11:26 PM

Morris dancers should be sterilized so they can't have offspring.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 03:27 AM

Sterilse Morris dancers and you'd never have a self perpetuating tradition.... You may have a point there....

Anyway, experience has shown me that after all that jumping about and waving various bits of linen/polycotton and sticks about in fertility dances, followed by hours of drinking and singing about fertility rites (not to mention all that viewing of the pretty fields in May), then actually having the energy and ability to perpetuate the Morris tradition is very very rare.

We just have the one child..

LTS


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 04:23 AM

We here in Halifax are in fact multilingual, firstly Yorkshire, then English but also a very large portion of gibberish, warlocks of halifax my arse, morons more likely.

And who are morris offspring anyway ?

eric


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 05:28 AM

Morris Offspring......

of the Offspring Family

He's gone solo, and they've booked him for Whitby and Cambridge next year. Simon Cowell thinks he's going to be big.

Folk Roots are wetting themselves about the press release from Sony as we speak, and are preparing a three page spread about his importance to the folk revial and Mike Yarwood is doing an interview on BBC radio2's only folk programme.

There is a TV special in the pipeline, and he has been named as best newcomer. A series of low key gigs at the Albert Hall have been cancelled however since he got catarrh ib his nose flute.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 06:01 AM

That was supposed to be a yak suit???


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 06:11 AM

Weelittledrummer has just committed the cardinal sin of calling fRoots
FOLK roots, Ian Anderson will not be pleased, repent now say, 5 mumbo jumbos and pray for ROOTS music.

eric


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 01:30 PM

What?

Can we have this in order, with grammar, please, so that we can understand it?

What is "morris offspring"?

Is it anything to do with the Nu-Metal band Offspring?

Is it anything to do with Son of Morris On?

If not, what is it about?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: RTim
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 01:39 PM

Morris Offspring are a group of "younger" dancers - aged 17 to 36, led by Laurel Swift; who perform "Large Stage" morris based on traditional dances. They have danced at Sidmouth and several other festivals, etc and toured last year with The English Acoustic Collective (Chris Wood, etc) with a production called "On English Ground".
Most of the dancers are children of dancers and have been around Morris most of their lives.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 02:28 PM

Thank you. I can see the idea of morris dancing on a stage being iconoclastic.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: melodeonboy
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 02:55 PM

I've seen them twice this year (Oxford and Towersey) together with the English Acoustic Collective (the "On English Ground" set) and, for what it's worth, I think they're bloody good!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: fat B****rd
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 02:59 PM

Shouldn't the "We who must Morris" brigade be glad that "younger" people are Morrising at all.

PS Why DO Morris Dancers get so much stick around here ?.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,London Danny
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 03:12 PM

The Warlocks of Halifax have watched too much of 'Big Brother's Big Mouth'. Trouble is, you don't have the talent and the whole thing is ever-so slighly embarassing. Don't give up your day jobs (or EMA).


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Baby Morris
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 03:37 PM

http://www.englishacousticcollective.org.uk/morrisoffspring/


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Peterr
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 05:50 PM

fat b*****d
Well said. All power to morris offspring, mmorris 18-30, and anyone else who gets younger people dancing.
'The English are the only nation who are embarrassed by their own traditional dance and song' - essence of an article written pre 1914 and things haven't changed.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 07:23 PM

people who are embarrased of traditional english dancing shud just fuck off out of england basically and if anyone thinks that morris offspring even resembles traditional english dancing at all they have to be a retard


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 07:26 PM

the warlocks of halifax are themselves exponents of traditional english dance and cringe at the allogations made against us in a sporadic fashion. young people should get involved in morris but not in "morris" as in "morris" offspring.

the warlocks have spoken.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Merlot
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:57 AM

..."the warlocks have spoken"

In non-jibberish at last.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Paul Burke
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:00 AM

Was that "warlocks" or "wallocks"?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: s&r
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:51 AM

All power to Steve Heap and Laurel for any effort to encourage continuity of folk music and dance into the next generation.

We've been working at Fylde to encourage and develop young performers for 20 years plus, and rewarding and exciting it is too


stu


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Haruo
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 06:09 AM

"Forewarned is forearmed" (says Malcolm Douglas). Or, in the case of yaks, more properly "forelegged". (Since they are, after all, four-legged.)

Haruo


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Tootler
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 06:17 AM

Warlocks or Wallock? More likely Wazzock!

From the blurb on the link the parallel that struck me was Riverdance. Still, if this gives a more positive view of morris in Joe Publick's eye, then all power to their collective elbows.

The English are the only nation who are embarrassed by their own traditional dance and song

Sadly still true. If this was any other European country, there would be government support for traditional music and dance. Even if the support was not financial (which can be two edged), moral support and a sense that the tradition is respected as part of the nations heritage would be very welcome, instead of belittling it as all too often happens.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:30 AM

Tootler, you sum up my feelings too.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: LesB
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:55 AM

I wouldn't know if they were any good or not, not having seen them. They seem to be a southern phenomina. They don't seem to come up here to the North. Mind you we have plenty of our own 'younger' dancers & the Demon Barbers Roadshow.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 08:29 AM

I had the off-side leaf spring for a Morris Marina in the back garden for ages. That was crap. Well, Morris Marinas were in general.

DtG


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,A Warlock From Halifax
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 08:51 AM

I must agree with LesB in his statment concerning the "Morris" offspring. The North-South divide is once again brought into light, as we up north have a vivid idea as to what Morris dancing should look like!!! Where as those sporadic folk down south can only produce river dance, but in white and with hankies!!!!! I must apologise in the most sporadic way for the earlyer message which was posted in Gaelic and wish to assure people that the Yak suit is a Yak suit and was made from real Yaks!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 08:51 AM

Ive seen morris offspring a couple of times and i think they are very good. however, i do think, in my opinion, they've lost the heart of their dances by doing so much choreography. they seem to have tried to hard to push morris into the 21st century.

xx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 09:23 AM

Well I saw them do On English Ground at Towersey. Before hand I did wonder whether I could manage to sit through an hour and a half of Cotswold morris but I really enjoyed it. One criticism of the show would be that some of the music should have had more Oomph to it as in general, it seemed to be on too much of a level for my taste.

Also, after having seen Dog Rose Morris the day before some of Morris Offspring dancing could have been better.

Are Dog Rose Morris the best Costwold team in the country at the moment?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 09:47 AM



In my opinion YES definitely. And I've seen a hell of a lot of it this year.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:26 AM

I would like to introduce the 'Warlock from Halifax' to 'Sir nORMAN from Hull' (or whatever he's called) and, if they are agreeable, set them both on 'Morris Offspring' - who, if this thread is correct, appear to be a junior English version of 'Riverdance'.

NNNNOOOOOO!!!!! PLEASE SAY IT ISN'T TRUE!!!!!!?????

If you feel like doing something drastic, Warlock, please feel free - you have my blessing ...


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:42 AM

They are far too "arty" for me if I'm honest. Give me Dog Rose anytime.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: skipy
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:01 AM

I am proud that my 14 year old son danced out this weekend with Icknield way morris men at Wallingford Bunkfest.
Morris on! wait for it, this time.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:13 PM

It is also the opinion of The Warlocks that Dog Rose be the finest wavers of white linen, leapers of great heights and have among the most flexible galleying knees in this our great and fair land.

Also, they do a dance with cauliflowers. What more could you possibly want??


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Viking
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:44 PM

What more could you possibly want?? .....

.... Brains if your first post is anything to go by!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:09 PM

The Warlocks have since found and pooled together their collective brain cells resulting in the ability to communicate effectively using the English language. Despite our new found mastery of communication, the overall message conveyed by our first venture onto this topic still remains valid. As does the sporadic comment about the yak.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:28 PM

I have seen the Warlocks perform at Whitby this year. They are underated and are carrying the true tradition forward not this warered down southern crap. The Yak as a mascot shows their multicultral ethnicity from the area that they frequent


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,MikeofNorthumbria (off base)
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:31 PM

Morris Offspring? I saw them at Sidmouth and thought (as Dr McCoy might have said) "This is Morris, Jim, but not as we know it..."

Nevertheless, I thoroughly enjoyed the spectacle, and was shamefully envious of their fitness and precision.   I trust that the ghost of Isadora Duncan is cheering them on from the Elysian Fields.

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Viscount of Oldham
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:43 PM

The Viscount agrees with The Warlocks that Morris Offspring are rubbish oh and yaks make good milk mmm calcium.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Duchess of Coventry.
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:54 PM

I performed with the team and their musicians at Sidmouth. (As a musician)

Amazing group of people. Every one of them. Sickeningly fit and VERY friendly with it.

Disliked because of their "severe" distortion of the "TRAD" Morris.

And the fact that they are actually pretty damn good. For morris dancers.

AND they don't give a toss about the opinions of others.

Good eh?

xXx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Viscount Of Oldham
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:58 PM

If Duchess would like to shut up cause she knows nowt


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:02 PM

The Warlocks concur with the esteemed Viscount


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:03 PM

Very well my Mancunian lover. Personally, i think they're great. Nuff Said.

X


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:05 PM

hey i got a woman to shut up morris offspring are rubbish


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:25 PM

Morris offspring in MY opion are ore inspiring and along with Chris Woods and his mates " On English Ground" are the best Folk act about at the moment.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:32 PM

well you obviously haven't seen NYFTE then have you??


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Duchess of Coventry
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:39 PM

Come on now children... WAKE UP and BE NICE. NYFTE and Morris Offspring are making an effort.

In my opinion, a good one. AND they put up with abuse.

I'm gonna shush now.

x


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Viscount Of Oldham
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:40 PM

NYFTE RULE


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:42 PM

The Warlock would like the Duchess to suckle on his yak's teet


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:47 PM

I have never seen NYFTE who ever they maybe, but if the are half as good as OEG I would love to see them. Why have I not heard of them then?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:53 PM

I still don't know what's going on here, but it look like fun. Morris gangs? Is this like the Crips and the Bloods?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: skipy
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:16 PM

They are underated and are carrying the true tradition forward not this warered down southern crap. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bampton is about 15 miles from here!!!!!!!!!!!
That appears to be in the South.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,another Warlock from Halifax
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:30 PM


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Wizard of Warwick
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:53 PM

The Warlock's will never be taken seriously after their initial post. It's a hopeless case boys (and girls?)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,O'Keefe [ The Duke of Omnium ]
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:13 AM

Isn't Halifax a small town near Sowerby Bridge ?

Well I've never heard of the Walocks of Halifax, so I don't think they really exist, whereas the Riverdance tribute group ' Morriss Offspring ' do.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Peace
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:16 AM

Just the name 'warlock of halifax' is enough to say all that need be said. The rest is commentary.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:58 AM

Well personally I was a bit embarrassed by the whole 'On English Ground' thing at Towersey. It made me feel like I was watching a school play.

I don't think anyone's up in arms about the dances not being done purely 'traditionally' as was suggested above by someone, it's the fact that it looks a bit naff and airy fairy, which is precisely what cotswold morris doesn't need. A lot of the dancing was pretty sloppy and lacked style. Not enough balls to the music either, seemed like yet another stage for Chris Wood to talk bollocks from.

When I was little a woman in our village who used to run the pantomimes, decided a group of us should perform a 'morris' dance at the village fete. She knew a bit about it but not much and we ended up doing choreographed circling with silly coloured costumes and bits of ribbon. I'm afraid that's what it reminded me of.

Although I can appreciate what they're trying to do I just don't think they've quite got the skill or the right audience.

On a more positive side, it would probably go down well in schools, and the beast costumes are well made.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Rusty
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 06:01 AM

What I find really encouraging is when we get young dancers and musicians coming onto the folk scene who ARE'NT the offspring of other folkies, genuine fresh blood from the real world outside. That's when I celebrate.

And as far as offspring are concerned - for me personally they are too arty-farty and precious and NYFTE come over to me as bored looking youths doing the dancing because they've been pushed into it by folky parents rather than it's something that they have genuinely done as their own choice.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Yak
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:01 AM

Speaking from the Yaks point of view they havent worked out yet that I am a Male!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:22 AM

During my 'Kevin Turvey investigates Folk Festivals' trip to Whitby this year, I witnessed a group of people performing traditional dance near the Whalebones, and they were all dressed up in black with red bits, with their faces covered, Mohammadan style. Did I witness the Warlocks of Halifax? Or the Morris Offspring? Jolly entertaining stuff, all the same.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Ruston Hornsby
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:33 AM

That sounds like the Flag and Bone Gang who are indeed from Yorkshire.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,A Warlock From Halifax
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:37 AM

Sorry Skipjack K8. . . but you have not had the pleasure of watching the walocks dance!!!!! However you have been lucky in that the Morris Offspring were not at Whitby as a collective!!! instead i beleve you witnessed the Flag and bone gang!!!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 10:03 AM

A breathtaking fusion of theatre, a much scoffed at traditional English dance, which isn't quite as soft as people might think, and music with lyrics that challenge monocultural commercialism that we are being fobbed off with today!

Nationalism, culturalism and crafts don't need to be thought of in terms of negative overtones.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Elsie
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 10:38 AM

^^ and that means.....


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 10:53 AM

mpeople are sayin there carryin on a tradition?? hardly!! theyve completely changed the dances and there kit aint wat would be described as traditional.. i no theyre all young n thats gd coz theyre carryin it on but there are other youngsters out there who are carryin it on... tradtionally.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,A Warlock From Halifax
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 10:56 AM

sorry Brassmonkey. . . . but morris offspring are not dancing "traditional English dance" and are not a part of English culture!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Rusty
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 11:03 AM

yeah - sorry Brass Monkey, I agree totally with your last comment but I don't see that it really applies to Offspring who to me are theatre/dance/art rather than real morris. As for your initial comment - are you quoting from a publicity brochure or an arts council grant application?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 12:41 PM

not a lot


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:53 PM

What a giggle it is reading all this. Hi NYFTE! Hi Morris Offspring if you are reading! I'm afraid I laughed VERY loudly when Offspring were described as a tribute to Riverdance, luckily this hasn't shaken my opinion that Morris Offspring are very good. :) Though I sometimes wish they'd put some bells on :) If I'd had the chance, I would have danced with them.

I'm not at all sure who or what Warlocks of Halifax are, perhaps they can direct me to their website? I'm sure it's stunning seeing how vocal they are about the tradition generally?

Dog Rose are terifically good, it's true. I believe quite a number of them are also in Offspring :) I could be wrong of course....!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:55 PM

however much effort teams like morris offspring and NYFTE are putting in to being a "good" morris team sadly its rather ruining the image of cotswold when theyre have been teams like hexham morris and dogrose morris that actually make watching traditional dances entertaining. Even to compare "morris" offspring or NYFTE to the likes off hexham and dogrose would be pointless really having seen all four teams its quite clear that the latter 2 are very much better judging by audience reaction and the fact that they actually do cotswold dancing and are doing a good job of keeping the tradition alive.

If anyone would like to purchase a t-shirt abusing morris offspring or NYFTE then email me at crazy_dude_y2s@hotmail.com. However if you think either of them are any good book an appointment at the opticians and possibly a psychiatrist.

ps morris offspring are shit and theyre still better than NYFTE lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:56 PM


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:59 PM

morris offspring are not bloody good


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST, Shaman of Sheffield
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 03:19 PM

I've heard it said that the W of H are in fact a group group of disgruntled lads who were rejected during auditions for Morris Offspring for, (and I quote), "..having two left feet". Is this whole tirade really, infact, a case of sour grapes?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Viscount Of Oldham
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 03:32 PM

Nah I have it on good authority that morris offspring are rubbish


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:39 PM

"Dog Rose are terifically good, it's true. I believe quite a number of them are also in Offspring :) I could be wrong of course....! "

Yes you are most definitely wrong! The two are incomparable!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:47 PM

The thing is, you shouldn't have to DO anything to cotswold morris to make it interesting to watch, apart from do it well, and quite a few teams really do do it very very well, it's just unfortunate that a lot don't and that Morris Offspring think that some kind of syncronised swimming morris makes it more appealing. It doesn't, it just makes it look like they're trying to DO something different because they're not actually very good at dancing.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 04:48 PM

Ah well, I'm often wrong! I don't expect it'll bother me particularly.

I don't think its a good idea to directly compare a team like Dogrose and Offspring anyway..... Offspring are a stage show about tradition, Dogrose ARE the tradition. In a way you guys are kinda ranting about something thats not really an argument. It's like comparing apples and bananas. Both fruit, but intrinsically different... uh-oh. I'm talking rubbish again. And I'm talking about bananas. GAH! I KNEW this would happen lol


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: RB3
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:25 PM

Being morris offspring (no capitalizations here) myself, I think the idea's pretty cool, actually. I hope someday they make it across the water. There are morrisers and morris watchers here, too. I think it's equally important to have "traditional" stuff keep going, whether the people involved are the genetic relations of former morris dancers or not, as well as having people who try to make it slightly more accessible to the general public, especially if they're having a good time in doing so.
Of course, I'm probably less attached to traditional morris anyway, being an Amer-kin myself, because over here instead of doing the traditional dances of our hometown (being that our hometown doesn't have any), we import other people's and futz with it. On the other hand, one could argue that's folk tradition...
-RB3


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Greg B
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:48 PM

I always find it amazing that so many Morris dancers
manage to get around all whilst balancing those great
chips on their shoulders and their spare sticks in the
obvious place.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:52 PM

Hey Simon, isn't this you dancing?
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=646760448&n=2


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: RTim
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:03 PM

To those people who think that Morris Offspring dancing is not very good - I don't know what you think good morris is?
Having been to several of their practices - they danced for 4 and half hours!!! and their dances ARE based on Traditional dances - just expanded and made to fit a stage presentation.
Take it from me, they are all capable of dancing "in the street" and they would look great where ever they dance. The are all fantastic dancers.
I only hope ALL teams have their motivation and commitment.

Tim Radford (21 years Adderbury Morris Squire & Foreman, Kirtlington Morris original teacher and later Foreman, and Foreman of The Duns Tew Morris, Pinewoods Morris and Woods Hole Village Morris)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 05:37 AM

I think you'll find a great deal of morris teams are just as committed and practice nearly every week of the year - not just when they've got a tour of arts centres. I'm sure they are all committed and motivated, I don't think anyone is suggesting they are not. The point is the dancing is flimsy and tatty compaired with certain other morris teams who have been dancing together for a long time and have learnt and developed a style that means all the dancers are at least attempting to look the same. I just don't think the offspring have that uniformity and frankly some of them are just not very good dances, partly because they haven't been doing it for very long. No-one is saying they are not based on traditional dances, it's just that the traditional dances are generally good enough to perform on a stage, in a theatre, in a street, in a pub etc without needing any tampering if you can do them well enough.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 05:45 AM

they enjoy it, they have fun, and they're not sitting around slagging off other people's attempts at doing what they enjoy. leave 'em be, poor souls. and get a hobby. weeeeeee!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:21 AM

It's Morris dancing Jim, but not as we know it!
G.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Lord Summerisle
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:39 AM

warlocks of halifax, get ye up to Summerisle and I will show you how we deal with upstarts.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: *Laura*
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:01 AM

well they have a large unicorn head and a large warthog thingy head and good postcards - that's enough for me!
But far as the dancing goes I'll watch Dog Rose over Morris Offspring any day...

xLx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Ancient Morris dancer
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:01 AM

In the olden days a good old punch up would have settled this. Then, hands would be shaken and ale shared in the local hostelry. Now it's handbags at dawn. And you call yourselves real Morris men?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:11 AM

Dawn????

You mean that time when all Proper morrismen are settling down to sleep (and not all of them in their coffins or bat caves....)?

LTS


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:43 AM

I have never seen morris off spring but looking at their web site why oh why have has someone decided that we should follow riverdance lets put morris back where it belongs inside, outside pubs & village squares and not an arty farty follow up to someone elses culture


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:14 AM

I feel the same way about what Riverdance did to Irish dancing guest.
All that has done is commercialise an activity that doesn't need it, and provided a vehicle for Michael Flatley's monstrous ego.
Can't quite see Morris dancing going the same way thank goodness, although I don't doubt that some egomaniac will try it.
G.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,A Warlock From Halifax
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:27 AM

The Warlocks are ready and Willing for some sporadic Tag-Team wrestling action!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:36 AM

Without people like Morris Offspring, Morris dancing would be breathing a quiet last sigh of death within the confines of old people's residential homes (slight exaggeration, but you get the picture). It's great to see this traditional dance being interpreted in new and exciting ways. It proves that it's alive and not dying the death of so many other traditions that lose their meaning because they refuse to relate to the people living today!

And no I didn't quote from an Arts Council brochure. I do happen to be educated to degree standard though! And I enjoy experiencing different art forms when I get the chance.

Actually, I used to enjoy techno and put on illegal raves in the forests near Barcelona. However we did clean up after ourselves! Now, I'm older, I've started going to folk festivals and drinking ale instead!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:03 AM

What a load of tosh. Morris dancing was doing quite well without Morris Offspring no matter how good they are. There are more morris dancers than ever before and Morris Offspring are a sign not a cause of it. Another sign is that young teams like Dog Rose keep springing up.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Ruler
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:03 AM

Gotta agree with the Warlocks on this one.

Don't rate them - typical Middle-class bollocks and very airy-fairy.

I do rate Dog Rose - I've been very impressed by them - they give it gusto and oomph, and they get off the ground. Morris as it should be danced.

Must agree with Rusty though that a cause for rejoicing would be the influx of new blood from the real world, and not just those with Folky parents...


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:16 AM

The whole folk scene seems to be enjoying an outbreak of nepotism over the last few years.
G


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 10:09 AM

on the comment that the W of H were turned down at auditions from morris offspring that is totally untrue, i am one of them and i'm not being full of myself here at all but i know that i personally am good enough as any of morris offspring and i know many people who would agree with that, i just would never really want to join them because i prefer doing cotswold morris dancing and that certainly isnt what they do
i wouldn't really mind if morris offspring kept doing what they do but they really have to change their name because when i first heard of them i went to see them thinking i'd see some morris dancing but really its like the skipping verion of red arrows so putting the morris in their name is false advertising really, i suggest a name like eye burners, and with that they should keep away from folk festivals too as its basically like riverdance and i'v never seen michael flatley at a folk festival so they shud go on a joint tour with him and let the morris dancers do the performances at folk festivals

ps i'm doing solo cotswold jigs all year raising money for charity check out my page at www.justgiving.com/monkeymcdougal


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: RB3
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 10:09 AM

And what's wrong with nepotism when it comes to something like folk music/dance? There isn't a lack of new blood in morris or any other part of the folk world, but folk music and dance has always been something passed down from parent to child and other family relationships. I don't see how this is a bad thing suddenly.
On the other hand, while I am the offspring of a morris dancer, I got into morris before my father did, and dragged him in, so sometimes it can go both ways.
My own morris team wouldn't exist without people who'd danced before, because the people in my area had little interest in or knowledge of morris dancing. It's much easier to start with three people who know what they're doing and add on the new blood later than it is to start with people who like the idea of morris without knowing what to do yet.
On the Riverdancy side, I do understand what you're saying with the commercialisation, but morris hasn't been in any danger of ending up in "retirement homes" in about twenty years, and I don't think that this group will affect it either way. It's a cool idea, if they like doing it and people like watching it and they can make a living dancing morris of all things, more power to them. It's not going to change what the rest of us do.
If you want to see skinny athletic teenagers updating traditional dancing in a big way, check out the Boston-area rapper teams. There's a whole bunch of them, they all kick ass, and they still stay reasonably traditional.
-RB3
(aka Squire of Snowbelt Morris, Rochester, NY)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 10:22 AM

the boston area rapper teams are good but they need to do a lot of work on theyre sword handling and a little less on showing off the little to do with rapper that they can do
also after morris offspings performance in the bulverton marquee at sidmouth during a LNE i did not hear one positive comment about it but i heard countless negative comments coming from experienced morris dancers who know what theyre talking about


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 10:24 AM

I do happen to be educated to degree standard though

Ahhhh - that explains it. Out of touch with the real world then...;-)

(Only kidding BM - Love your band btw!)

:D (tG)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Rusty
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 10:55 AM

So - it appeals to people with degrees and gets space on The Culture Show.....but does it entertain?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 11:38 AM

NO


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Brass Monkey
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 02:59 PM

Why don't we sue Morris Offspring for using the word 'Morris' in their name and associating themselves with the damn dance in the first place then. I think the folk scene is suffering from old fart syndrome.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: JohnB
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 03:02 PM

If the Five degrees of seperation thoery is correct, we are ALL Morris Offspring. Some of us are even proud to carry on the tradition.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Elderly Morris dancer
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 03:28 PM

If it wasn't for the old, young Brass Monkey, there wouldn't be a folk scene. Upstart


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bill from Brighton
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 03:45 PM

I agree. The folk tradition holds no place for ageists. I suggest if you view older people as "old farts" this is not the genre for you.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 04:34 PM

The accusation, as I see it, was that certain sections the overall 'folk scene', encompassing narrow-minded, tie-dye, beard and tankard toting inverted snobs of all ages, are suffering from 'old fart syndrome'. Which is certainly one possible explanation of why these dismissive, blinkered denigrators of a talented, enthusiastic and skilled collective of dancers and musicians intent on making our cultural heritage available to a wider audience miss the point so completely. What is abundantly clear is that they can never have witnessed a performance of On English Ground, a celebration of what it means to be English, by Morris Offspring and the English Acoustic Collective. If they had, even they would surely not make the ludicrously crass mistake of comparing it to the commercialised showbiz mish-mash of something vaguely resembling Irish stepdance known as Riverdance.


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From: GUEST,a warlock of halifax
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:34 PM

i find it amusing that some people think these comments about morris offspring are because of "old fart" syndrome and the people who started this discussion have an average age of about 18 so this is the view of young people who know wot entertaining morris dancing is


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,ben
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 06:38 PM

at the end of the day the reason why morris offspring get audiences and some crazy people actually like them is becuase they have a gimmick, which is theyre artsy fartsy kinda like cheerleader routines, theyre are a bunch of dancers, who need this gimmick to make them appear good. However theres other teams like dogrose and hexham who were mentioned above who's gimmick is dancing well and making the dances look interesting while still keeping the tradition alive, perhaps morris offspring could try that?


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From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 02:00 AM

Nobodys mentoned the young Rapper dancers that are about yet WHY


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: woodya
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 02:44 AM

"...i find it amusing that some people think these comments about morris offspring are because of "old fart" syndrome and the people who started this discussion have an average age of about 18 so this is the view of young people..."

Being an "old fart" is not a question of age, it's a question of attitude.


FWIW I haven't seen "On English Ground" but I did see Morris Offspring dancing at Sidmouth. They looked a decent side with excellent musicians, but a bit dull in how they presented the dancing. Their dancers taking part in the Jig Competition were excellent IMHO.

On the subject of "On English Ground" - whether or not you or I may think it's successful, I think that it's important that people try to find new ways of interpreting traditions to keep them as a living thing - otherwise they just become a museum piece, and in our case Morris sides will just become re-enactment societies.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:20 AM

That is a point - perhaps its remembering that members of Morris Offspring and thier musicians have cleared up at the John Gasson jig competition for at least the last five years.

I'm not amazingly keen on their performances because it feels that they have totally de-sexualised, and so neutered, the morris. I don't think what they do stands as a piece of art, and so doesn't work when presented as such.

But that said, you can't question their dedication or skill and you can't deny them the right to do what they do. They ARE good dancers, whether you like it or not.


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From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:46 AM

Mmmm. What a lot of strong opinions. I think some of you need to get out more. To answer a hanging question; one member of Morris Offspring is also in Dog Rose.
My opinion of MO is this: Individually, they are all good morris dancers, some are very good and some are exceptional. It is true that they do not all dance in the same style. This has been discussed within the team and it was decided to keep it that way.

Morris Offspring do not only dance 'Traditional Dances' and do not pretend to do so. The concept is that it is an artistic interpretation (hence the stage shows) of English Dance using traditional steps to create new dances and adapt established dances.
Remember that every single Morris dance, or Cossack or Bulgarian dance was not traditional when it was written.

To answer the 'crap' accusations. The side is still in it's infancy and have lives outside dance. Thus they do not rehearse 6 days a week with one show a night and a Saturday Matinee. There will be mistakes, particularly when performing dances that are 12 minutes long with no chorus and no repetition of figures. Even mighty sides like Dog Rose and Hammersmith make mistakes and can sometimes appear more ropey than normal.

Morris Offspring are having fun and enjoying Morris in new and exciting ways. If you want to see a standard Bampton Sidestep then go to the village green and see it done very well. If you like theatre and enkoy Morris and English folk, get a ticket for the next MO show. You'll love it.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:46 AM

Totally agree with you there woodya - I know some 20yr olds who, if you cut them in half, would have 'Old Fart' written through them like Brighton through rock.

LTS


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:04 AM

RB3 nothing wrong with nepotism if the sprogs can actually sing/dance well.
This is not always the case!
G


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:14 AM

"Nobodys mentoned the young Rapper dancers that are about yet WHY"

We're all too shy because we fancy them :)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:21 AM

Simon said

"also after morris offspings performance in the bulverton marquee at sidmouth during a LNE i did not hear one positive comment about it but i heard countless negative comments coming from experienced morris dancers who know what theyre talking about"

Its funny you should say that, all I heard was rapturous applause


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:33 AM

Experienced people do not necessarily know what they are talking about. My bum's been my bum for a long time but I don't listen to it's opinion.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:48 AM

Can you define the adjective 'rapturous' when it's used in conjunction with applause. Is there a scale of applause like the Beaufort Scale for wind, or the Richter Scale for seismic activity.
Also, how many of these people in rapture were relations of the performers?
The words sweeping, and statement, spring unbidden to my mind!
Giok


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:57 AM

Saucer of milk for John Giok Mckenzie! :)

I was just reporting what I heard from ouside..... I wasn't watching because I've seen it before, and the sight of such fit young dancers stripped to the waist and covered in body paint is too much for my little old heart ;)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:23 AM

Not many of those in rapture would have been relatives when compared to those who were not. That particular LNE was heaving due to the event itself and the band. I would respectfully suggest that even if there were 100 relatives, and they were the only people applauding, that would have achieved barely 1.8 on the rapture scale.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:45 AM

There are certain types of people who would clap a pudding race.

There are also certain types of music that would get anyone clapping, even if they can't see any of the band or dancers.

Then there's the people who clap at the end as a sign of relief that it's all over!

LTS


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: melodeonboy
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 06:41 AM

Well said, Child Morris (the posting before last). A very balanced view of Morris Offspring.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 07:19 AM

well if nothing else this debate has brought Morris Dancing to the publics attention.
I am an old fart and people who I work with consider me odd to say the least because,I dance,have a beard,drink real ale,go into fields with hippys at festivals,etc etc etc. When they go abroad for their holuidays they run back to me to tell me of the traditional dancers (a show) they have seen and how I should have been there. If this gets people looking at our own tradition then fine by me how many little dancers did Riverdance spawn. Bring the show up north so we can see it.I for one am sick of people doing back flips over bits of tin foil and been told its real.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 08:36 AM

Maybe they find it odd because you're a woman !
G ¦¬] ☺


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,a warlock of halifax
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:23 AM

to the retarded people still saying we have an old fart attitude have you actually read the first comment that started this all off would someone with an old fart attitude write anything like that?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,richard
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:32 AM

straight after the "rapturous applause" at the sidmouth LNE i heard most of the crowd going on about how shit it was, why do they call that morris dancing, where has theyre kit gone, dancing without bells is tacky, all they were doing was dancing around in circles, so to sum up the main concensus from the audience at sidmouth is that morris offspring are shit basically and you cant really argue with the majority of the audiences' opinion


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:33 AM

NO, only someone with a moronic, bigoted, malformed attitude would write anything like that.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: woodya
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:33 AM

I'm confused. You think perhaps that the choice of language used marks the poster out as young and open-minded. It just sounded like my mate's old grandad having a semi-senile rant.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:34 AM

Yes Child, but it was rapturous shit!
G.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,alistair
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:40 AM

come on really i was there, the applause was one of the quitest of all the dance performances teams like black swan and hexham had a well louder applause


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 09:42 AM

To all those demanding more information to clear the mist that shrouds the mystery of the Warlocks of Halifax...

...we have gone all hi tech and made a website :o)

Click here to view our magical online prescence!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Princess of Preston
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 10:57 AM

i think a few people in this chat need t get a life!!!!!

i cant believe this hs lasted this long and has this many people contributing!!!!

i mean its nice t have a debate occasionally but jeez come on!!!

im not sayin i aint contributed... i have.

me thinks we need something better to kill time.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 11:04 AM

it'S A moderN thinG populaR witH thE youngeR seT I believE
gioK


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Rusty
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 11:05 AM

Yes - I tend to agree. It seems to me like a variety of viewpoints have been made clear, we now seem to be in danger of decending into petty squabbles now.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 11:41 AM

Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight Fight


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:11 PM

I agree with Rusty, so will add a final point. Many of the postings have not answered the original question.Indeed, many answers have been based around what other people think, e.g the majority of the audience at Sidmouth LNE.

I think it's important to remember that there are people who genuinely believe that if they don't like something, it is crap. The Warlocks of Halifax appear to fall into that category. Truth is that the real answer should illustrate if one likes or dislikes Morris Offspring. Any qualification demands a justification, e.g, 'I think they are crap because they don't wear bells and the wearing of bells is the only possible way that Morris can be danced in a way that gives pleasure to anybody. This is because bells give a special mystical energy that enable trues Morrisment."

Qualification without a rationale is merely an escape for all those who are more inclined to insult than insight.

Personally, I think Morris Offspring are great to watch because I like Morris but I also like the radical approach and new shapes and thoughts that this concept provides. Additionally, some of the women are gorgeous!

I also quite like Dog Rose.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:28 PM

Are the gorgeous women stripped to the waist and painted?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:30 PM

Well indeed Child Morris and may I say how brave it is for you to come in here and risk getting your head sliced off again. I too like Dogrose a lot, as well as the Offsprings. The difference is that Dogrose is a young Morris side that sprang from the 'grownup' Whiterose quite a few years ago now and they rehearse and perform together like a conventional side (except when being part of the Demon Barber Roadshow). The Offsprings are not a side but comprise a number of representatives from several sides such as Ripley and Newcastle Kingsmen (I think) and others including Dogrose, brought together for specific performances. To create artificial arguments that one if 'better' than the other is just stupid. Almost as stupid as Skipjack K8's sexist remark above.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 12:50 PM

Why single out Skipjack? There's a few other sexist remarks above!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:00 PM

Yes, it wouldn't actually surprise me if there were, Manitas. It's just that I saw the Skipjack one just before posting. Expecting some of these blokes to grow up probably is stretching it too far. Mea culpa.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 01:38 PM

Countess, Wise words. I agree that MO are different to conventional sides, so should not be compared. Moreover, should any sides be compared unless their ethos is understood? Some similar sides, e.g two male cotswold sides, may seem comparable, but one may focus on crowd pleasing, and one on lines and precision. Who is better?

Perhaps that should be the next question: Who is the better Morris side, Great Western or Hammersmith? Discuss

Incidentally, I have invested in a steel neck to avoid further beheadings.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,josh
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:15 PM

oh dear most of the people on here are just commenting thinking they know everything when they dont even understand everything about what theyre commenting about or reasons why a lot of people hate morris offspring even though its been clearly stated in easy to read english still you go on about just a load of bollocks really the people who are saying things negative about morris offspring seem to be making the most sense because they actually understand what theyre talking about


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,karl
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:16 PM

i second that josh!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:54 PM

Whatever happened to punctutation capital letters and spacing?
Sorry to go all fuddy duddy on you guys, but these unpunctuated post are murder to read. If you want your points read and understood I suggest you make them intelligible to the majority.
G.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: JamesHenry
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 03:58 PM

I third it.

Is Maurice Dance related to Charles, the actor?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Cat
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:00 PM

Interesting reading all your comments as a member of morris offspring.   

I am always really interested in what people have to say about us as we are trying something new which is bound to create very polarised debate.   Quite often I look out for the people who aren't so keen, to garner their opinion and see if I agree when challenged.

Morris Offspring is made up of approximately 15 dancers who all have a passion for morris dance (contrary to the opinion of one post that commented we were all pushed into dance by our parents).   we all dance with morris teams that we practice with weekly and dance at the regular pub spots and folk ales (hammersmith, great western, chiltern hundreds, bristol morris, dog rose, hexham and adderbury, black swan to name but a few) bringing what we know from those great teams to try something new in a different arena.   Plus, it is a lot of fun (which is why i imagine most people choose to dance!)

I'd be interested to hear some constructive feedback that might impact on what we do next now that the OEG tour is complete and we are looking for a new challenge.

Cat Radford


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:15 PM

I think the post about being pushed into it by parents was about NYFTE. I can see why some people like the offspring and also why people dont. To be honest after the Sidmouth LNE all i could remember seeing was people jumping round in circles for about 15 minutes with a jig in between. I think it would look pretty good if you could watch it from above but thats not really going to happen


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:28 PM

Oh, for goodness sake, Diane, lighten up! You'll give yourself an embolism!

Actually, I have enjoyed your postings on this thread, but I admit I find the whole ethos of the thread bewildering, if entertaining.

It seems to me akin to Life of Brian, when the People's Front of Judea should've been kicking the crap out of the Romans, instead of the Judean People's Front. Why do adherents of a remarkably small focus group choose to fight instead of unite?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:43 PM

i'll morris your offspring!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,mary angela
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:45 PM

yeah well simon i'll offspring your morris!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: woodya
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 05:56 PM

"oh dear most of the people on here are just commenting thinking they know everything when they dont even understand ........ really the people who are saying things negative about morris offspring seem to be making the most sense because they actually understand what theyre talking about"

Ah! The old "if you agree with me you're a genius, if you disagree with me you're an idiot" approach to debate. How refreshing!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,josh
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 06:25 PM

i hear dat!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,JD
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 06:26 PM

appletini please, easy on the tini


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Dr Kelso
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 06:33 PM

Hey, who put tiny wheels on my shoes??


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 06:39 PM

continuing from what i've said about morris offspring i think its a bit cheeky saying theyre shit especially when im shit at dancing too, i cant even do the worm!!! i can do the arm wave thing though, but at the end of the day......

we can dance if we want to,
we can leave our friends behind,
cause our friends don't,
and if they don't dance,
then they're no friends of mine.

that ones just for you you special spingy off morris things


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 06:44 PM

ps i wish i could dance like turk from scrubs, that mans a dancing god


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Nena
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 07:01 PM

99 Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Hielt man fuer UFOs aus dem All
Darum schickte ein General
Eine Fliegerstaffel hinterher
Alarm zu geben, wenn es so war
Dabei war da am Horizont
Nur 99 Luftballons


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Laurel Swift
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 07:13 PM

Hiya people,

Where do you find the time?! Abyway, thanks everyone, this thread has been a good evening in; Greg B gets the prize for making me laugh out loud the loudest (is that proper English) and Simon The Jig, once again you get the prize for completely forgetting what actually happened!

I thought I'd be dull and shed light on a few facts (sorry for writing an essay) after which I'd be grateful if you carry on the debate if you don't mind; its already sparked an great idea for a new dance and besides I'm enjoying it.

Firstly we can we have both! Offspring ain't stopping any other team from dancing outside pubs etc. In addition I think we've contributed (alongside e.g the Demon Barber Roadshow) to creating the chance for Morris to venture into other spaces such as arts centres and theatres. Surely the more the merrier. The more people get to see good morris (whether in the pub or on a stage), the more it gets valued and greater probability that people who would enjoy it and be good at it will encounter it. No one's lost nothing. We just gained more opportunities.

Bit of history to flesh out the info. In 2003, I was commisioned to write two large scale, ten minute Morris works for performance on a huge stage at Sidmouth International Festival. I assembled an assortment of old friends and people i didn't know but all whose dancing I liked. Needless to say it was both an ordeal and a pleasure and once wasn't enough. People have kept offering us opportunities and we've kept taking them and are still enjoying the ride, hairy as it can be!

Now to the meaty bit: I'm really interested in the idea that what offspring does isn't traditional. I'm not on the defensive here at all; it simply suprises me. Not wanting to confess that we're unoriginal or anything, but I wrote a fair bit of our stuff and every single figure in it was directly lifted or extrapolated from one Cotswold tradition or another. Except the triangle shape I lifted from some North West dance. We've never invented any steps. I'd be really interested for someone to sit down with a video of us and show me the bits that aren't trad! Loads of teams (including Abingdon if you want really trad) make up dances - its fun and it sort of happens naturally when someone goes 'what if' or why can't'. So Yeh - discuss! Which bit ain't trad? (Yes I know I forgot the bells and then it became a political statement... I know I know... but maybe we like it. Maybe its not important)

Shorter practical info now - we did a few gigs north of Watford in April; sorry those of you that weren't near enough to make them - The Sage, Gateshead was one, then I think the Midlands gigs in Derby and Worcester were the closest after that. Hopefully we'll have more next time.

Finally I don't see why the world can't support Riverdance and Offspring and Dog Rose. Just cos my ideas are the bestest doesn't mean there's not room for support acts....

Oh yeh and to be really clear: Morris Offspring has NO RELATION to NYFTE (the national youth folklore troupe of england). I believe some people used to be in it; but then some people used to be in the Cubs. And the Brownies. And the masons. Oh no... damn....         

Blah blah and thus finishesth the lesson for today.

Laurel :o)

By the way, why do none of you people have real names?! Is it a cult?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 07:33 PM

But they're NOT seeing Morris Dancing, they're seeing something based on it, and don't tell me if they've never seen traditional Morris it will encourage them to go and see it.
The connection between what Offspring do and what most traditional sides do is tenuous at best, and if the people involved didn't dance in other trad Morris sides, then the connection would be even more vague.
What is more, were that the case we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Giok


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Timo
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 07:40 PM

I quite like that this now quite lengthy discussion only started cos we were absolutely smashed after a party and felt like having a bit of immature fun :o)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,s to the izzle mon
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 08:20 PM

hey peepies la fritz thanks for the new nickname laurel i hope it sticks and the only reason i've won the forgetting award is because i have had brain surgery and they took half of it out, and since having all the seizures and 7 hour brain surgery maybe i dont remember every little detail, i have one final thing to say and that is

They've landed!! grab come blankets and all the canned goods you can carry!! we're moving to the sewers!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 01:13 AM

I can recommend a good psychiatrist if you like.... she's very nice and understands about bagpipes.

I really would consider her if I were you... because frankly, it's someone elses turn to have the voices.

LTS


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Paulie
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 04:27 AM

I have been lucky in my life to have had the opportunity to undertake something of a Morris odyssey. It started when, at the age of 25, I started dancing for Kirtlington. I have to point out that at the time I was a thrash guitarist for a Goth industrial band at the time and had no experience of the folk genre at all. This sea change was due to meeting a girl called Cat Radford and then her father Tim. Having cut my teeth with one of the nicest trad revival sides you'll ever come across I moved away and thus started my, almost accidental, association and involvement with 5 sides, including the magnificently inventive Great Western and latterly Morris Offspring.

I have danced outside a beer drinking dance outside 'the bell' with Adderbury Village (a ring side so 'traditional' you have to have been born or lived in the village to dance with them. I have danced Great Western's Mrs Casey on the Towersey stage in a cyberman costume. I have danced the entirely invented 'Harberton Navy Flag Dance' at Chippenham. And, I have had the pleasure to dance the amazing ideas of Laurel Swift as a part of Morris Offspring.

My odyssey has taken me from dancing to one man and his dog outside a pub in Devon so obscure even the locals didn't know it existed to dancing in front of a 20,000 strong crowd at Cropredy festival to the music of Ashley Hutchings. I like to think I have a wide experience of what constitutes the contemporary Morris scene.

So, which is best?

The answer....all of them. Because for me it is not about making a statement, showing off or ticking the right boxes. For me it is about the people I have had the pleasure of dancing with. All of which I count as my friends and all of which have taught me something in one way or another.

I continue to dance for all the sides mentioned because they are so much fun to be with. And, as long as they want me around I will be happy to dance with them, be it outside another pub time forgot or on the moon.



Paulie



P.S. I realise that I have started not one, but two whole sentences with a conjunction, which (for those traditionalists out there) I apologise.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 10:49 AM

"Are the gorgeous women stripped to the waist and painted?"

I SO wish!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 02:53 PM

Quick question do morris offspring take themselves seriously?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 03:07 PM

This thread reminds me of certain threads we used to have on here 3 years ago.
G.
E.G.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Amy Mymou Custard
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 05:24 PM

Can I just say that I know the three warlocks of halifax extremly well and I can guarantee that they are not "old farts". Can I point out to those of you who think that the morris offspring are the only young people doing "morris dancing" that you are WRONG! One of the warlocks of halifax is a fantastic and world renowned cotswold dancer who dances with many cotswold teams and is only 18. Another of the warlocks is involved in a project (i shall name no names due to data protection) that is all about young people carrying on the tradition of dancing and music! The last of the three warlocks dances with a north-west veteran team who have a couple of very young people dancing with them i.e. 7 year olds! who may I add in my humble opinion are better dancers than those in morris offspring.

I am a qualified dancer and I dance with Persephone Women's Morris who apparently are a very well thought of north-west team. In Persephone are half a dozen young people i.e. under 25 who are fantastic dancers - there again the morris tradition doesn't centre around the morris offspring!

May I point out that "Riverdance", "Morris Dancing" and "Morris Offspring" should not be mentioned in the same sentence. I'm a championship Irish dancer and I am ashamed of Riverdance! Morris offspring bare no resemblance what so ever to Riverdance.

Thus concludes my lecture... single minded simpletons need to open their eyes to the amount of young people


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From: GUEST,Amy Mymou Custard
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM

...UP NORTH who are carrying on all these "traditions".

Amy Mymou Custard has left the building...


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,brotha from anotha motha
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 05:33 PM

the only dancing any body shud watch and enjoy is drunkard club dancers that take exessive amounts of drugs and can find amazing beats in car alarms so.....

to sum up...the only dancing any body shud watch and enjoy is drunkard club dancers that take exessive amounts of drugs and can find amazing beats in car alarms.

and I LOVE LAMP!!!

and dont bother commenting on my grammer or spelling because its all wrong!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,some dancer man
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 05:46 PM

hey laurel really good inventing on the moves you forgot to mention you stole a move from red arrows and the fact that the only traditional part of your dance is that you do some double steps and singles in your dances and that wear all white, maybe some day you'll be able to afford the rest of your kit......


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: RTim
Date: 08 Sep 06 - 08:57 PM

It seems obvious to me that many of those who write ridiculous things on this thread about Morris, Morris Offspring and Tradition, know very very little about Morris dancing at all or don't even have the common curtesy to recognise that Morris is not one thing to all men (and women) but what each team wishes it to be. There is room within this form of dance for all comers.
To accuse Morris Offspring of not having any moves from the Tradition is totally stupid. Detractors do not recognise Kirtlington, Adderbury or Bidford, or even the later created traditions of Raglan, Bloxham or Duns Tew (why should they - they are morons with no experience), that are regularly performed on both sides of the Atlantic.

I learnt many years ago that the opposite of Love is NOT hate, but indifference.
At this moment I am tending to hate all the Offspring detractors - But really I and we all should just be indifferent to them!!!

Apologies for my rant (but some people piss me off) - Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,daniel
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 06:55 AM

hi tim i've seen morris offspring a few times and i've not seen any evidence of any of the traditions that you listed above so i dont really know where you are coming from and my point is coming from a cotswold dancer with 25 years of experience and so that means i started before most of morris offspring were born


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: woodya
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 07:06 AM

"It seems obvious to me that many of those who write ridiculous things on this thread about .... know very very little about Morris dancing at all .... There is room within this form of dance for all comers ... I and we all should just be indifferent to them!!!"


I think you've about said it all. They certainly don't seem keen to reveal their identities so that they too can be judged. I think we can draw our own conclusions from that.


Perhaps we should view some of the posters on this thread as the sort of sad losers referred to as "Internet Trolls"...

Definition (from Wiki): In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion

...If we ignore them they can't get the attention they obviously crave. Just treat them like they're attention seeking two-year olds.


"Apologies for my rant (but some people piss me off)"

I know what you mean Tim. I know what you mean.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 07:19 AM

I love folk music dearly, but this is one of the reasons I've got exasperated with the folk 'scene'. Do you not think it's possible for Morris Offspring and Dog Rose and Hexham and everone else to all be dancing? All these people doing their own thing, taking aspects of the tradition, maybe making them something else, maybe not. There can be hundreds of things around that you don't like; it doesn't mean you therefore have to condemn them. There are lots of folk acts (mostly big names) that I'm really not a fan of, but lots of people get a hell of a lot of enjoyment out it, and good for them. Fundamentally, it's all about people enjoying music and letting it enrich their lives. And if someone's life is enriched by watching Morris Offspring, or Hammersmith, or the Watersons, or Show of Hands, or Britney flipping Spears - then great! Good for them. There is a lot of music out there I don't like; I choose to avoid it, let those who like it enjoy it, and focus on the music that makes my heart sing.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Damaris
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 05:41 PM

"I quite like that this now quite lengthy discussion only started cos we were absolutely smashed after a party and felt like having a bit of immature fun" :o) (says Timo above)

Yeah, yeah, we all know your mum's proof-reading your posts now!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Timo
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 07:28 PM

Yeah you got me


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 07:00 AM

why do people do big rants when they dont even know entirely whats going on? like woodya, what the hell is he on about?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Duke (of Devonshire)
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 08:56 AM

I think the general question W of H raise about Morris Offspring is valid and they are entitled to make it, i.e. we do not like their approach to Morris dancing: discuss. However the language used in their original post has legitimised a free-for-all in the subsequent ones, from rants, abuse, serious debate and some humorous put downs. This is to be expected as the tone is set by the creator of the thread. Any abuse of the Wof H should therefore be 'taken on the chin' by them, which Timo in his above response to Damaris appears to do. This is not a thread to be taken seriously but to be played with. A more serious debate could be started on a new thread, where hopefully more restraint and thought will be put into the majority of responses.

Feel free to ridicule my post; it doesn't matter (here).


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 11:54 AM

Dont forget the people who started this are young accomplished dancers & muscians who probably know quite a lot of MO and they could be laughing at everyone else


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Timo
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 01:24 PM

I know the way this topic was started was less than ideal but some valid opinions have been raised along the way. And feel free to abuse me all you want.

And for anyone that cares yes I am the literate warlock.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 01:30 PM

Do morris offspring take themselves seriously?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Willie o' Winsbury
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 01:59 PM

Well said Timo, you Warlock's are growing in maturity post-on-post. Soon you'll be a credible force on the forum. Up the Warlocks.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST, Bill from Brighton
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:09 PM

I originally thought you Warlocks were a bunch of idiots, but now I think one of you might not be (Tino I mean)!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:10 PM

Woo I can't wait. let me know when we make it to the esteemed status of "a credible force"


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:12 PM

Hey bill from brighton, speaking of idiots my name is Timo not Tino


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bill from Brighton
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:55 PM

I know! And I bet all your fellow WoH call you Tino for at least a week, if not for ever more.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Timo
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:04 PM

Or maybe not...


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: woodya
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:19 PM

"From: GUEST,jeff - PM
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 07:00 AM

why do people do big rants when they dont even know entirely whats going on? like woodya, what the hell is he on about?"


Touched a nerve? ;-)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bill from Brighton
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:31 PM

Tino, let me know at the end of the week and be honest! (Hope you realise my banter is good humoured and malice free)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:52 PM

hey woodya that sounds like an inviting wink you put there, you wanna take this upstairs ;-)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:24 PM

Time this thread went below the line, as it has now become a kindergarten!
G.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:24 PM

heres a video of some dancing thats better than any morris team even morris offspring and its about as traditional as morris offsping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crb5pmEi-nA check it out


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:54 PM

wahoo


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From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:54 PM

post


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:55 PM

number


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:55 PM

200 hopefully


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:55 PM

im 200!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:56 PM

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! i wanted to be 200!! i'll be you to 300!!! tino


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Timo
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:56 PM

Ha I got 200!! loooserrr


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 05:34 PM

MORRIS OFFSPRING!!!!!! just in case anyone forgets what the subject is......................i wish i could make up some weird dancing stuff and claim its morris dancing


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:51 AM

Coming back to this thread after a couple of days... I'm disappointed not to see any response imparticular to Laurel's post. I'm not an experienced enough dancer to pick out which steps are and are not traditional about Offsprings dancing, but if anyone refers to any of it as non-traditional, probably the bits they are talking about, are the triangular bits, and also the jig in the middle. Which is improvised I think? I could be wrong.
At the moment I'm too busy to watch videos of the stepping in detail and try to pick it apart! Besides, I probably wouldn't know which step was which any way!
Can't wait to see the new dance, sure it'll be wicked.
Did you know by the way, that Rockhoppers do a triangular based Cotswold dance?
:)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,OMG!!
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 01:52 PM

hey trouble we all know its not traditional and everything that we dont need to talk about it anymore because anyone who thinks its traditional is just crazy weird, anywho back to the randomness that only warlocks can create


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 03:01 PM

see the warlocks at hotley


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bill from Brighton
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 04:10 PM

"Time this thread went below the line, as it has now become a kindergarten!" (says Giok above)

NOW become a kindergarten, NOW become a kindergarten! Have you read the original post? What did you expect? Suggest you join in the fun or just ignore the post as it'll drive you mad otherwise (As it did me, ha,ha,haaaaaa)!

Notice the 'Tino' things spreading already (Simon above)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Liz
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:05 PM

man this thread rules.

of course its childish - its the best way t be... if theres no humour in life then watz the point?? if it keeps a smile on my face then its worth it.

WoH - see u all in yorkshire next weekend lads - assumin ur all goin... i no 1 def is ;)

xx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 06:34 PM

re a random post ages back; I wasn't taking the mick because you had half your brain removed last year, I was taking the mick because everytime I saw you at Sidmouth you'd just drank about 18 pints and were talking absolute shite. Which would have been fine if you didn't attempt to have exactly the same conversation with me 4 nights in a row until I got fed up and rudely pointed it out! Bloody morris dancers.

Anyway who's asking if offspring take themselves seriously?! Of course we do. Very seriously. All the time. Designing a 3 year is-it-a-triangle-is-it-a-circle-no-its-morris-offspring spoof just to wind up the warlacks of halifax is a serious business.

And Tim's right - if you didn't spot all those traditions that he said AND quite a lot more, you weren't watching. The jig in the middle wasn't improvised, no.

Anyone else wana pick holes in 15 of my favourite dancers?!

Lx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:32 AM

I'll pick some holes with a scalpel


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:29 AM

what? can people please stop making up stories about me i spoke to you once laurel and that was it and i really dont understand what the rest is about i dont talk offspringy


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:33 AM

ps its about as traditional as the music for my jig was, with the exception of the princess royal bit


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Soldier boy
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 10:04 AM

Goodnes gracious me, what a long thread to plough through !

I've never seen 'Morris Offspring' on my many travels but I have seen very many young uns joining existing morris sides, including the one I am associated with; the Slubbing Billys from Huddersfield.

We even had to change our 'constitution(?)' at an AGM to vote on lowering the age when new members can join. This was only a silly formality and there were no objections. Now our dance members range from 7 to 72 years of age.

How old are members of Morris Offspring and do they have a minimum and a maximum age when members can be in the team?
If not, how long can they remain a 'morris offspring'.? What happens when they get older. Is it like the scouts/guides thing who only accept children between a certain age range?
What happens when Morris Offspring have offspring, will they have to start a new side called "The Morris Offsprings' Offspring" ?

Questions questions, banal I know, but stupid questions like these keep me awake at night!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: fiddler
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:10 PM

Laurel,

Don't let them get under ur skin girl. Most of the stuff on this site these days is just that (misspelled of course). There seems to be an undertow in the folk world that we need to moan and complain and if we get picked up on it we claim it is humour.

Actual I try not too!

This thread is going (seems to have gone) the same way!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,peter/steifbear/stevens/wakefieldmorris
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:29 PM

to be perfectly honest who are any of you to say this is not tradition what is tradition if it doesnt move on IT DIES!!!
as for you simon im discusted!!! lol
i am by no way the best dancer and i will never be but I AM HAPPY is that not what we should be to be honest we should not b fighting between ourselves we shuld be encouraging more people not knoking people for going out and having fun THATS MORRIS IS FOR i personaly belive that people should back off others and watch what they say.
i love morris dancing and i love folk as a whole no matter when and where it is. its people like you who fan the flames of putting people down before they get a chance to prove themselves thus putting people off joining morris teams as for the warlocks of halifax??? i live no more than 10 miles a way from halifax and i have never heard of them
i shall stop my rant now but for "GODS SAKE GROW UP" and stop being arses

peter

(dancer with pontefract, wakefield, leeds, leeds motley morris, on and off with a few other aswell!!!!)
:-)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,morris offspring
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:06 PM

and all the girlies say i'm pretty fly for a white guy doing some dancing


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 03:24 AM

There is no such thing as bad advertising how many people who have not seen morris offspring will keep an eye out for them and go and watch. As for the Warlocks they are a Heavy Metal Folk Band and you will go see them when they perform if only to attack ther poor performance again no such thing as bad publicity!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Fitz
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 04:50 AM

presumably all those morrisy types going on about being traditional don't dance to melodeons


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From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 05:07 AM

>From: GUEST,simon
>Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:33 AM
>
>ps its about as traditional as the music for my jig was, with the exception of the princess royal bit


So by this do you mean that you think that people should or should not keep to the tradition if you're dancing to non-traditional music?


p.s. I thought that 'Princess Royal' was an Irish tune? O'Carolan?


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From: GUEST,Askham David
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 03:01 PM

Hey guest Peter/steifbear/etc, are you Peter S from Pomfret? If so it's Askham David (briefly Pomfret)hear saying hello! Haven't you got better things to do?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Laurel
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 06:27 PM

hehehehehehehe :o)

So when do you reckon the pipe and tabor was new fangled and wrong?


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From: steifbear
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 06:56 PM

i am Chris Stevens son dancing with pomfret are some of my earlyest childhood momories but im educated now so i dance northwest lol :-)
u are right i do i got to uni on the 25th i cant wait lol

thanks
peter


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Fitz
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 02:55 AM

Laurel wrote; So when do you reckon the pipe and tabor was new fangled and wrong?

to be honest I think that if you're not dancing to the sound of small children being beaten by pig's bladders you're anti-traditionalist scum :)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: JamesHenry
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 03:03 AM

Smoking a pipe and sucking those mints will always be wrong.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 08:08 AM

JamesHenry wrote; Smoking a pipe and sucking those mints will always be wrong.


LOL
:-D


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,a morris man aged 18-30
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 06:15 PM

haha some people have been having a go at morris 18-30s saying it is sexist and ageist, theres a lot of idiots comment about stuff without actually fully understanding what its about and a lot of them idiots appear to be on here, they dont really get what the warlocks and friends are on about yet they choose to reply to them with just rubbish


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,herring
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 02:47 AM

Morris 18-30   never heard of them
Warlocks   never heard of them

Offspring      everybody seems to have heard of them, they've even been on TV

First two rant about the third


Jealousy?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 05:59 AM

We could have been on TV but we were out warlocking people at the time so they let the offspring do it instead


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From: GUEST,Trouble
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 01:06 PM

"The jig in the middle wasn't improvised, no."
oops, wrong again! :)

I don't know what I'm doing on this thread, as it seems mainly a slagging off oppurtunity for people who don't like Offspring.... and I do like them. And I'd like to stand up for them, and for Laurel, who is a very hardworking person bringing morris into schools and helping to make it cool, and doesn't deserve to be slagged off, whatever your taste in dancing is.

So I'll be off then, leaving merely a fascinating Tshirt link for you all;

http://www.teemarto.com/mod/tee01/ProductDetail.do?productId=4942


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Warlocks of Halifax
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 02:03 PM

It is a valid opinion and true. We are talking a load of bollocks!!! Our collective brain cells are not worth 50pence and we are jelous because we cannot find anyone to have sex with us even if we pay!!! We must apologise for talking crap!!! We are "shit"!!!! Yak penis. Yak penis. Yak penis.


p.s.

Yak penis!!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,laurel
Date: 17 Sep 06 - 04:57 PM

hello guys i only came up with the idea of morris offspring when i was stoned, it seemed like a good idea at the time but now i realise how off my head i was

best wishes

laurel xx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Wollocks of Halifax
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 02:38 AM

yeh it must be depressing having to put up with all those people that get great enjoyment from what you do. bummer!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,mr scat
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 05:32 PM

i'm a scat man yeah!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bill from Brighton
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 05:42 PM

Just when we thought this thread had gone. You wouldn't let it lie would ya?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,The Wazzocks of Halifax
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 02:47 AM

>> Just when we thought this thread had gone. You wouldn't let it lie would ya?


Victor Moritz: "You're crazy!"

Henry Frankenstein: "Crazy, am I? We'll see whether I'm crazy or not."

Henry Frankenstein: "Look! It's moving. It's alive. It's alive... It's alive, it's moving, it's alive, it's alive, it's alive, it's alive, IT'S ALIVE!"

Victor Moritz: "Henry -- In the name of God!"

Henry Frankenstein: "Oh, in the name of God! Now I know what it feels like to be God!"





Memorable Quotes from Frankenstein (1931) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0021884/quotes


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Dr.folk
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 12:51 PM

ok for starters, simon and timo just shut up and grow up. If anyone is setting a bad image for morris around here its you two. Being anti-social pissheads at festival and simon your jigs are the worse i have ever seen. Im suprise you didnt die of embarrassment at sidmouth after your performance at the jig competition!

All I've know in my life is morris dancing i was raised with it all around me, going on tours every week in the summer etc i am a true morris boy. In my opinion what offspring are doing i think is truely amazing, if you can think of another way to bring morris to a wider audience i would love to hear it! Keep it up Laurel!!

Anyway did anyone see Bristol or Shakespeare at bromyard? two heavily ring and trad. sides both with offspring members in? The young bristol set put on a better show on than dog rose could ever do at the holly tree?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bill from Brighton
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 02:59 PM

Yeah you tell 'em Dr Folk. They're just a couple of bad jiggers. (and it's Tino not Timo)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:04 PM

Dr. Folk's right you know Simon! Are you sure it's not just a case of sour grapes because the Offspring jiggers were miles better than you????


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Snuffy
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 07:46 PM

That triple jig at Bromyard might just be the only time you ever see offspring dance WITH BELLS ON!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Bryony
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 11:23 AM

I think it's brilliant that people are comparing the abilities of other teams to Dogrose.
If young dancers aspire to be better than them, then the future for Morris dancing looks very healthy indeed.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 12:51 PM

I Think its quite sad that your all taking simon's and timo's so seriously get a grip


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 12:53 PM

Ah - so you get to slag somebody else off - but if the favour's returned we're taking it too seriously???


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From: GUEST,Dr.folk
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 12:54 PM

Hi Bryony. Who said that dogrose are the peak of young morris at this present point in time. When Ive seen them their lines a shoddy and dont look any better than most other young sets ive seen. But a bit of competition between the young lads isnt a problem now is it ;-P


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 01:09 PM

This makes me laugh do much.. it's like WAARRRRR.

CHILL!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Dr.folk
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 01:30 PM

Hee hee hee.....


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From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 01:41 PM

it's like WAARRRRR.

not yet but it's a comin' soon


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From: GUEST,Tino
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 01:08 PM

to be honest though i haven't actually said anything bad on here. and also from now on please refer to me as Tino as Bill from Brighton has officially renamed me. and i don't jig. i play. badly.

Tino


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From: GUEST,Bill fro Brighton
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 03:23 PM

Knew you'd warm to it.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 24 Sep 06 - 02:22 PM

250!! get in !!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 24 Sep 06 - 02:28 PM

dr folk you are off your head, for one you are the first person who said my jigs were bad and i'v had about 100 or so people which have said the opposite so i think im going to go with them but thanks for the opinion anyway i like it when people want to be different and maybe in the jig competition at sidmouth i should have done i leapfrog over my musician or something else totally original and then it would have been better and how about the fact i did the exact same jig i did in the competition in sidmouth to a rapturous applause at the connaught gardens and many other places around the country so to sum up dr folk you are off your head man, your nuts


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: steve_harris
Date: 24 Sep 06 - 02:59 PM

> Can you define the adjective 'rapturous' when it's used in
> conjunction with applause.

It's a word used by marketting persons, M'lud


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From: GUEST,simon
Date: 24 Sep 06 - 04:14 PM

rapturous - adjective, full of delight or enthusiasm

will that do for you steve? straight out that dictionary if that weren't obvious so if you dont agree you can have an argument with the english language, let me know how it goes


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Sep 06 - 06:11 PM

Lets face it Morris Upstarts are the best young morris side ever!!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 04:53 AM

i second that


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,erictheorange
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 01:29 PM

simon said= not being full of myself here at all but i know that i personally am good enough as any of morris offspring

no offence mate but i saw you dancing at sidmouth both outside and in the jig comp & i saw the offspring outside and in jig comp. maybe you were having a bad day but they were different class from you that day. from what i saw i question your judgement and if you are going to dish out criticism perhaps you should learn some grace from the offsprings responses here in how you handle it yerself


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From: GUEST,simon
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 03:13 PM

ok eric i'll just reply to that comment with the same thing i said to dr folk cos even with tyhe fact that you 2 dont like my dancing the ratio of people who think im a particularly good dancer is about 75:1 possibly more in favour of my dancing but thanks for the opinion anyway


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,erictheorange
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 03:17 PM

de nada


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 04:10 PM

boing fwip!


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From: GUEST,simon
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 05:18 PM

alright guys, to all you people who are saying my jigging is rubbish, if that indeed was the case then why did the dance organisers for sidmouth folk festival say they wanted me as an invited artist to do jigs all week at next years festival


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From: GUEST,Child Morris
Date: 26 Sep 06 - 02:10 AM

Simon,

What place were you awarded in this year's jig competition?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,erictheorange
Date: 26 Sep 06 - 03:13 AM

i dont think i said you were rubbish. just you were saying you were as good as any of the offspringers & i dont agree from what i saw. & obviously neither did the jig comp judges

f.w.i.w. i thought you did better performing on the streets than on the stage


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 26 Sep 06 - 10:11 AM

in my defence i was extremely hung over from passing out due to too much cripple cock the night before the jig competition and i had just run in to a wall also i didn't really care for the jig competition i would have prefered a more trdaitional version and to be honest i know mine was crap but i did see much better jigs from other people than the ones the offspring lot did and they were actually traditional and didnt have to do fancy stuff like jumping over they're musician to get audience reaction and the fact that i got retarded comments from the judges and half of them didn't get what i was doing didn't really help but oh well it'll be crazier and less traditional next year and i like how people are taking my rants about proper traditional jigs seriously and i cant even remember the last time i did a jig that were traditional i just like doing jigs that make people laugh cos face it people laugh at morris dancers anyway so why not give them a reason to laugh?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 02:56 PM

Morris Offspring don't make me laugh they make me cringe


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 05:14 PM

ha ha i hear dat!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Liz
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 05:16 PM

well sed si.... personally i love ur jigs - there mighty funny t watch!!! hehe keep it up... ur gonna raise s**tloada money!!!!


Liz
xx


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 07:15 AM

Simons jigs are so funny not rubbish theres alot of hard planning that goes into that sought of funny


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 06:48 AM

thats right baby!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,Jenny Wells -Oxford
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 07:08 PM

I saw the show ' on English ground' at Towersey this year and thought it was fantastic, I had a lump in my throat when that fella sang that song about England.   I admit I have never really been into Morris dancing- am more into international folk and loved the shows put on by the eastern europeans and Russians at Sidmouth. However I am delighted that a young team of English dancers has brought Morris dancing up to date, and such good dancers and wonderful choregraphy and so tight. How about including some Rapper also.

I reckon you should aim for the olympics - imagine 100's of young morris dancers clad in white at the opening ceremony! Go for it guys!
What you need is some sort of reality TV show based on folk dance something like Strictly dance fever. My sisters boyfriend is a documentary producer and also a folkie, He has conacts in the tv world. Try and get some one like Bruce Forsyth on your side, as he is a keen dancer - did a series on latin dance. There are reality TV shows in everything these days and if it was aimed at recruiting for the olympics then I reckon it could really bring Morris to the masses.
Aim high and carry on the good work


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From: GUEST,The Offspring
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:53 PM

hey we dont do morris dancing!! we are a cool nu metal band!!
check out our website offspring.com


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:40 PM

there are many opinions of what makes a good morris dance thats why the jig competition at sidmouth means very little at all as it is 4 peoples opinions and the opinions of them 4 cant be used to represent the majority of people who have watched morris also the majority of opinion about morris offspring is that they aren't good, or doing anything special for the youth of morris dancing, and really its quite cheeky calling it morris dancing as it is loosely based on it and i have to agree with the majority


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 01:54 PM

Sorry but have you actually seen the show?? How can it be 'loosely based' on morris, did you not see dances like haste, old woman and the raglan dance?! Yes offspring like to push the bounderies with their big set dances but how can you not see that they are packed full of trad. figures and steps?!

Ok if you think offspring are rubbish name another way to promote morris to a wider audience. Also has anyone considered that offspring are out there to have fun doing what they enjoy and wish to show it to other people?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 05:29 PM

well i wouldn't say packed full of tradition, you could actually do comedy jigs and iv shown many people videos of comedy jigs that wouldn't look twice at morris and they actually liked them and they didn't think it was some weird theatre thing


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM

Demon Barbers Roadshow used to do some morris and rapper and clog steppin stuff as did speirs and boden at gigs that always used to be well good better than morris offspring but not as good as morris upstart


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: RTim
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 08:36 PM

Exactly who are these illiterate and anonymous punks who don't seem to know very much about morris and who make ridiculous statements about Morris Offspring performances?
I have not seen any name worthy of making a comment that I can believe in.
Stand up or shut up.

Tim Radford - Adderbury, Kirtlington, Duns Tew, Pinewoods and Woods Hole Morris (40 years real Morris experience)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 06:28 PM

Thank you Tim, you're thinking exactly what I am thinking.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 11:21 AM

^^ stressheads or wat??!!


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 02:01 PM

Thanks To the Warlocks and Morris Offspring you have brought dancing into the public domain and people are talking about dancing keep up the good work I WILL BE 300


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: Selchie - (RH)
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 05:13 AM

300 is a wee bit too old to count as a yoof! :-)


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 07:53 PM

lets get this back to number one


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 07:57 PM

morris offspring are pure shite, if you want dance with passion, youth and a knowledge and feel for the tradition, you want the Demon Barber Roadshow.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 07:00 AM

Or Black Swan Repper


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 09:21 PM

funny you should say that, but have you noticed that one of offspring also makes an appearance in black swan 'repper' (learn to spell fool!)

the lads and lasses in MO have un-believable amounts of passion in the tradition, go and speak to them and see.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 02:27 AM

Oh you are all so rightous and easy, is guest having an argument with himself.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:12 AM

286


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 08:15 PM

Morris dancers are embarrasing,simple as that.Train spotters with sticks.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:15 AM

i think morris offspring should try something different, perhaps actually doing some morris dancing?


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:29 AM

haha someone said that morris offspring were cool lol


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From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 12:59 PM

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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:45 PM

ok lets get this over with 291


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:45 PM

sad


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From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:45 PM

mad


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From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:45 PM

bad


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From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:45 PM

cad


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From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:45 PM

lad


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:46 PM

whatever


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:46 PM

what


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From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:46 PM

a


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:46 PM

load of bollocks


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:47 PM

hasta


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 03:46 PM

they should be locked in a small dark cupboard


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM

only 97 posts until 400


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 07:13 AM

missed!!!!!!!!! 96 now


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 11:57 AM

it just aint morris


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 04:57 PM

i have precured a yak if any of the warlocks would like to use it. It's just a bit moldy.


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 04:46 PM

come on someone add something else 306 is pathetic, pretty much like this topic


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Subject: RE: what do you think of morris offspring???
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 05:06 PM

If they are not a yellow tabby we drown them as kittens; the rest we sell, and they command top price.


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