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Dartford Folk Club

Dartford Warbler 26 Jul 08 - 03:58 PM
breezy 26 Jul 08 - 03:26 AM
GUEST,The Dartford Warbler 25 Jul 08 - 08:38 PM
Leadfingers 17 Feb 07 - 02:53 PM
Leadfingers 17 Feb 07 - 02:53 PM
GUEST,The Dartford Warbler 17 Feb 07 - 01:38 PM
Dartford Warbler 11 Dec 06 - 01:35 PM
Dartford Warbler 04 Dec 06 - 01:46 PM
Dartford Warbler 27 Nov 06 - 06:19 PM
Dartford Warbler 27 Nov 06 - 06:12 PM
GUEST 13 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM
Girl Friday 13 Nov 06 - 10:32 AM
Dartford Warbler 13 Nov 06 - 09:53 AM
GUEST,wordy 06 Nov 06 - 06:57 AM
GUEST 06 Nov 06 - 05:26 AM
Girl Friday 05 Nov 06 - 09:17 PM
Anne Lister 04 Nov 06 - 07:03 AM
GUEST,Purple Sandpiper 03 Nov 06 - 03:31 PM
GUEST,Purple Sandpiper 03 Nov 06 - 03:22 PM
Anne Lister 03 Nov 06 - 04:57 AM
GUEST,Purple Sandpiper 02 Nov 06 - 08:13 PM
GUEST 12 Oct 06 - 07:07 AM
GUEST 12 Oct 06 - 06:50 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Oct 06 - 02:29 AM
GUEST 11 Oct 06 - 08:15 PM
GUEST 11 Oct 06 - 08:07 PM
Girl Friday 11 Oct 06 - 08:05 PM
GUEST,Dino DIni 11 Oct 06 - 07:51 PM
GUEST,Dino Dini 11 Oct 06 - 07:43 PM
GUEST,Dino Dini 11 Oct 06 - 07:33 PM
billybob 09 Oct 06 - 07:07 PM
Richard Bridge 08 Oct 06 - 08:14 PM
Girl Friday 08 Oct 06 - 06:50 PM
The Sandman 08 Oct 06 - 03:50 PM
nickvan-cody 08 Oct 06 - 02:26 PM
Richard Bridge 08 Oct 06 - 02:10 PM
The Sandman 08 Oct 06 - 04:56 AM
GUEST 07 Oct 06 - 08:39 PM
Girl Friday 07 Oct 06 - 08:07 PM
GUEST,Dino Dini 07 Oct 06 - 07:02 AM
GUEST,Dino Dini 07 Oct 06 - 06:57 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Oct 06 - 01:47 AM
billybob 04 Oct 06 - 07:53 PM
The Sandman 04 Oct 06 - 09:19 AM
Dartford Warbler 03 Oct 06 - 09:53 AM
GUEST,wordy 25 Sep 06 - 06:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 03:58 PM

Thank you for your kind comments about our award winning club Breezy.

The information I have is that he wants to get back into performing again after a spell at a different occupation.

Not sure how many other places in the south he is doing. Will find out on Tuesday.

IMHO he is one of the finest performers of traditional song and also more modern works such as those of Richard Thompson.

Being the last guest night before we go into sing-around mode for the August holiday we are not sure how many people will turn up. One reason for letting the good people of Mudcat land know about this one.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: breezy
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 03:26 AM

Congratulations on booking one of the finest singers

Has he retired from working then. is this a vacation gig??

Hope you have a fantastic turn out for a fantastic club.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,The Dartford Warbler
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 08:38 PM




Dave Burland

on Tuesday 29 July 2008

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar and quite often(at least) 4 draft ciders and perry!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 02:53 PM

But I WILL have a sneaky 100 th !!


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Leadfingers
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 02:53 PM

Its a shame you're so far away ! A three hour drive home is a PITA !


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,The Dartford Warbler
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 01:38 PM




Rainbow Chasers with Ashley Hutchings

on Tuesday 20 February 2007

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar and (at least) 4 draft ciders and perry!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 01:35 PM







Phil Beer
(with special guest Emily Sanders of Isambarde)


on Tuesday 12 December 2006

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 01:46 PM



After a very enjoyable evening with Kathryn Roberts & Sean Lakeman and a floor-spot from Megson, it is the turn of guests:

The Spike Drivers

on Tuesday 5 December 2006

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 06:19 PM

Just remembered that Megson are due to a floor spot on 28 November and guess the opportunity for any others will be severely limited.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 06:12 PM

After very enjoyable evenings with Johnny Silvo and Last Night's Fun, it is the turn of guests:

Kathryn Roberts & Sean Lakeman

on Tuesday 28 November 2006

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM

I was being cheeky. Read the long discussion above...


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Girl Friday
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 10:32 AM

What planet is Guest..."p" on? OF COURSE DARTFORD IS A FOLK CLUB!!!!!It's patrons are welcome at my FOLK CLUB any time.
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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 09:53 AM





Martin Simpson's performance on 7 November went very well apart from the air conditioning system that was playing in a different key to the one that Martin wanted :-) He very kindly played my request - Anne Lister's Icarus. Randy Newman's Louisiana - 1927 was as poignant as the day it was written and when Martin first recorded it.

It is the turn of guest:

Johnny Silvo

on Tuesday 14 November 2006

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:57 AM

Not as you might understand it guest, but it certainly is as far as I'm concerned. One of the very best.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:26 AM

Respected it may be, but it is not really a folk club...:P


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Girl Friday
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:17 PM

Great to see professionals coming on to express oppinions. Goes to show what a well respected folk club Dartford is!


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Anne Lister
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 07:03 AM

Thanks for the interest, Purple S ....and give my best regards to Martin when you see him!

Anne


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Purple Sandpiper
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 03:31 PM

Lazy me, it is all there at http://www.annelister.com including a links to Anonyma and Mary's website.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Purple Sandpiper
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 03:22 PM

I will make sure Icarus is requested ;-) Fantastic song, still listen to the Nic Jones version at regular intervals.

Was Mary(?) the other half of Anonyma? Do either of you have a website? If so, I will ask the webmaster to create a link in the "Hall of Fame"


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Anne Lister
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 04:57 AM

Just been perusing this thread and thought that at least part of the problem is that "singer/songwriter" is such a huge category, ranging from Tom Waits and Elvis Costello to Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson and then to Paul Simon, Jez Lowe and Tom Paxton. That's not even dipping into the jazz and blues areas or very far into the acoustic fringes that have been developing with category names such as psychedelic folk. So a club is unlikely to have a blanket category of accepting OR rejecting singer/songwriters (and I was singing in folk clubs in south east London in the 70s, 80s and 90s and didn't come up against any of that kind of rejection) but they may well (as now) have been choosy about which singer/songwriters they decided to book and welcome. That's show business!

As to Dartford folk club - I was made welcome as a floor singer on the few occasions I went there, and when I was playing there as Anonyma (very far from trad or American folk). They haven't rushed, so far, to give me a gig but then I haven't pushed for one, either.

But do go and see Martin Simpson. He might even sing one of my songs as well as several of his own!

Anne (Lister)
who writes songs and sings them and has done for a long time!


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Purple Sandpiper
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 08:13 PM



After a very enjoyable evenings with Nancy Kerr & James Fagan, Tom Lewis, Jim Reynolds, Dana & Susan Robinson and Shep Woolley, it is the turn of guest:

Martin Simpson

on Tuesday 7 November 2006

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!

Dartford Folk Club website



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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 07:07 AM

Oh by the way, I remember this guy who every week without fail would sing Bottle Of Wine by Tom Paxton. Every week. I can't remember his name, not sure if he was actually a resident. But every week we would sit through it.

Several problems here:

1. Without wanting to disrespect anyone, the performer would probably have admitted themselves that they were not of Resident Quality.

2. Every week got a bit of a bore.

3. Tom Paxton is a Contemporary Singer Songwriter. He is still alive, and worse, is not called Anon. Thus the song is actually not Folk Music.

4. The song is writen in the First Person

5. Although not about adolescent agnst, it is about the angst of being an alchoholic bum, which I sumbit is not really any more interesting.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 06:50 AM

Then it should make that clear shouldn't it?

But in any case you have completely ignored what I said and carried on anyway repeating yourself. I said the definition of Folk Music is not the point.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 06 - 02:29 AM

Well, Dino Dini, if you want to perform in public, you will always be walking on eggs. "Some days you're the Louisville slugger, some days you're the ball".

C'mon, you really don't know the difference between folksong and contemporary acoustic?

Dartford's forte for at least 30 years has been American traditional, and contemporary but established American acoustic-style music. Most of which is not my favourite genre. But it's good at what it does. I, personally, don't have to love it to realise and accept that.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 08:15 PM

Nick: you said:

"Dear Dino,I also played at Dartford during the times that you are talking about,and yes,Dartford was a hard place to play,but I thought it was more, that if your face did'dt fit not that you or your music was not good enough.I also played at Orpington and found that it was more a singers club with guests,and I was always made welcome.You ,I remember got a good reception when you played with another guy,I cant remember his name ,but the song sticks in my head,the other person sang and played guitar you sang backing and played lead to him ,it was a song called I'm living on a knife edge.(I think ) So although Dartford is not for me ,I still remember hearing you and a memorable evening hearing Johnny Coppin for the first time ! I would love to go back if I am ever in the area and see what it is like now, as if its still going after all these years they must be doing something right,its just we dont like it !
Best wishes to you all Nick."

I am honored for you to have remembered me. The guy was probably Richard Hopewell with whome I collaborated for a while. Oh yes I got some good responses from the audience at times. Even the female part of the resdient Duo Opus 2 (I can't remember her name) said she really liked my Song "Magpies" once.   But it always felt like I was treading on egg shells, regardless of what the audience response was.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 08:07 PM

Richard Bridge:

"I cannot believe Dino Dini has been at least within rubbing distance of folk music for that long, and has not yet grasped the difference between folk music and singer songwriter."

Erm... so you are sayiong that Singer Songwriters can not create folk music?

"I do not (hereby) assert that one is better than the other, but would you expect pork to be labelled beef or chicken - or sold as such?"

Perhaps the club should simply make it clear then: a big notice saying "Singer Songwriters not welcome". Oh hang on... but the club books singer songwriters. Sorry you are not making much sense.

"I'm not sure that Dartford has ever been that floorsinger-friendly (certainly traddie-floorsinger-friendly) and while Dartford may have found a niche in playing to the paying audience many folk clubs have a different remit.

However, I see Tom Lewis is there shortly, so if I am timely passing on my way back from something very square that night, I may pop in (not armed with a guitar) to listen. He was excellent at Tenterden this weekend.
"

Warning: his site says "If you like songs and stories of the sea, new and old". You may want to double check what new means. He might have written some himself thus casting himself out of Folk Music.

Yep it is the same old.

As I said in my post, fortunately there are outlets these days for singer songwriters, like the Old Down Acoustic club in Somerset where I played a couple of songs tonight (and got a great reaction and many compliments, ironically the second song was an instrumental I wrote at about the time I gave up the scene 19 years ago called "I Can't Get a Gig at my Local Folk Club Blues".

They call it an acoustic club. It is very popular and successful. Once a month they book acts for a featured spot too. The Amazing Mr. Smith is on 1st November, for example. They really do welcome floor singers though, even if they write their own songs.

My problem back then was that such things as acoustic clubs did not exist 19 years ago in my area. It was folk clubs or nothing at all.

But like I already said... I would have no complaint at all if the organisers simply had made it clear that people like me were not welcome. Why pretend that Floor Singers are welcome when they are not? Why not clarify the poistion on Singer-Songriters? This is the crucial point, not the definiton of Folk Music.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Girl Friday
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 08:05 PM

Dino.... Yes Oprington Folk Club did, and still does meet on Thursdays.I know Steve Jenning well. Ted Hantdley (Triality) is still there, although he now has a duo with Ivan North. Anne is still there. She married Keith Halford, who's not there now, and they have 2 daughters. I run Orpington Friday Folk which is an offspring. Check them both out here.
orpington folk clubs


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Dino DIni
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 07:51 PM

From: Captain Birdseye:

"I am sorry, but my experience of Dartford folk club was very differrent from dino dino.
I was a a floorsinger there thirty years ago and Pam and Alan always gave me a floor spot,even though I was singing traditional material unaccompanied, or with concertina.
they were very encouraging and helpful[ perhaps they recoignised talent when they saw it]yours arrogantly Dick Miles.
"

Do not be sorry, but I should point out that 30 years ago is not the same thing at 19 years ago. Perhaps you are the same generation as the organisers, and so found perfect acceptance. Although having said that I am sure that if I performed folk songs or Tom Paxton covers, I might have been forgiven for it. Unfortunately I was trying to develop myself as a Singer Songwriter. But I got the message and never went back to Dartford. It is just annoying that I wasted so much time and effort there...


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Dino Dini
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 07:43 PM

re:

"The question is "singing about themselves". Young people in general have nothing to say that is of deep interest to most listeners if they are writing about their love lives or their angst. If they are singing in the first person to create a story about a character, then they are much more likely to be interesting. Songs about not getting laid, loved or lauded are boring. Tell me a story and you can use the first person as Simon, Ochs, Paxton, Chapin etc did brilliantly, but you have to be living a really different and exciting life to tell me about your 22 year old self in a song.
Clubs like Dartford are not there to service floor singers they are they to service a paying audience that knows what they want.
I am very glad you are finding an outlet for your voice somewhere else. That's what we started when we began the folk clubs back in the 60's. power to your elbow. Sing your songs, find your audience. Good luck."

This come across as so condescending... and it is nonsense anyway...

"I was 21 years when I wrote this song, I am 22 now but I won't be for long... time hurrys on.. and the leaves that are green turn to brown..."

Listen to early Paul Simon songs sometime.

Meanwhile, if a club does not want to encourage songer-songwriters it should make that clear. After all, you say "Clubs like Dartford are not there to service floor singers". Sorry, but if floor singers are invited they should be made welcome. You are just re-enforcing the very thing I said. And good luck to you, now that you are in your 60's and I am in my 40's. Incidentally I sing some of the same songs I did back then. Remember "Friday the First"? It goes down well with audiences everywhere. I admit I was not as good 19 years ago as I am now... but live music clubs that INVITE floor singers SHOULD NOT DISCOURAGE NEW TALENT.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Dino Dini
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 07:33 PM

Sue: you said:

"Dino Dini. Do I know you? I have been going to orpington Folk Club, and ben running Orpington Friday Folk for nineteen years.

Sue"

I was a resident at Orpington for a while, but stopped about 19 years ago. It was while it was at the White Hart. Also it did not meet on Fridays. Steve Jennings at the very least will remember me.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: billybob
Date: 09 Oct 06 - 07:07 PM

I remember Dick as a floor singer at Dartford on lots of occasions, he was always welcomed by Pam and Alan as were other floor singers. some may not have sung often, more to do with a late arrival and the list being full!The great thing about Dartford in the 70's and more than likely still today was the quality of the guests so if you did a "spot" you were in great company!
I can think of many floor singers who started out at Dartford and Farningham who are now well known performers on the folk scene thanks to the experience in those two clubs
wendy


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 08:14 PM

Cap'n, you have misunderstood my emphasis. I did not say that you were not made welcome.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Girl Friday
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 06:50 PM

Dear Nick. You will find that OFC is still a singers club with guests, though these days they have mostly just the residents on guest nights. Singers Nights are open to all, and we get a good selection of performers. I run the Orpington Friday Club and both websites are linked. You'll be made welcome at either, or both.

both Orpington Clubs


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 03:50 PM

to richard bridge,I repeat I was made welcome if you dont believe me ask billybob.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: nickvan-cody
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 02:26 PM

Dear Dino,I also played at Dartford during the times that you are talking about,and yes,Dartford was a hard place to play,but I thought it was more, that if your face did'dt fit not that you or your music was not good enough.I also played at Orpington and found that it was more a singers club with guests,and I was always made welcome.You ,I remember got a good reception when you played with another guy,I cant remember his name ,but the song sticks in my head,the other person sang and played guitar you sang backing and played lead to him ,it was a song called I'm living on a knife edge.(I think ) So although Dartford is not for me ,I still remember hearing you and a memorable evening hearing Johnny Coppin for the first time ! I would love to go back if I am ever in the area and see what it is like now, as if its still going after all these years they must be doing something right,its just we dont like it !
Best wishes to you all Nick.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 02:10 PM

I cannot believe Dino Dini has been at least within rubbing distance of folk music for that long, and has not yet grasped the difference between folk music and singer songwriter. I do not (hereby) assert that one is better than the other, but would you expect pork to be labelled beef or chicken - or sold as such?

I'm not sure that Dartford has ever been that floorsinger-friendly (certainly traddie-floorsinger-friendly) and while Dartford may have found a niche in playing to the paying audience many folk clubs have a different remit.

However, I see Tom Lewis is there shortly, so if I am timely passing on my way back from something very square that night, I may pop in (not armed with a guitar) to listen. He was excellent at Tenterden this weekend.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Oct 06 - 04:56 AM

I am sorry, but my experience of Dartford folk club was very differrent from dino dino.
I was a a floorsinger there thirty years ago and Pam and Alan always gave me a floor spot,even though I was singing traditional material unaccompanied, or with concertina.
they were very encouraging and helpful[ perhaps they recoignised talent when they saw it]yours arrogantly Dick Miles.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 06 - 08:39 PM

The question is "singing about themselves". Young people in general have nothing to say that is of deep interest to most listeners if they are writing about their love lives or their angst. If they are singing in the first person to create a story about a character, then they are much more likely to be interesting. Songs about not getting laid, loved or lauded are boring. Tell me a story and you can use the first person as Simon, Ochs, Paxton, Chapin etc did brilliantly, but you have to be living a really different and exciting life to tell me about your 22 year old self in a song.
Clubs like Dartford are not there to service floor singers they are they to service a paying audience that knows what they want.
I am very glad you are finding an outlet for your voice somewhere else. That's what we started when we began the folk clubs back in the 60's. power to your elbow. Sing your songs, find your audience. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Girl Friday
Date: 07 Oct 06 - 08:07 PM

Dino Dini. Do I know you? I have been going to orpington Folk Club, and ben running Orpington Friday Folk for nineteen years.

Sue


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Dino Dini
Date: 07 Oct 06 - 07:02 AM

Correction: "But I could never have called Dartford friendly to performers twenty years ago"

should read:

"But I could never have called Dartford friendly to new floor spot performers twenty years ago


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,Dino Dini
Date: 07 Oct 06 - 06:57 AM

Hello. Yes I used to go there when it was at the pub just by the railway station, most weeks. I used to bring my guitar and sing. I always found it intimidating... as a performer in his early Twenties, as a songer-songwriter I found it virtually impossible to get any respect. OK this is the way it felt. I actually remember overhearing Pam once say something about not likeing Singer Songwriters singing about themselves. I even recall something about Johh Martyn having once appeared and being dismissed for a similar reason. John Martyn was a major influence in my music. If my memory is shakey on the details, appologies in advance... it was a long time ago.

The fact that the widely regarded Paul Simon who is called by many the greatest living american singer-songwriter actually writes the vast majority of his songs in the first person is perhaps an indication of prejudice?

Still the thing to remember is that it was a folk club. There were no such things as "Open Mikes" back then, and I went to the club because it was the only outlet to try my songs in front of people. I was good enough to become a resident at Orpington folk club for a while, and I plugged away at the scene until eventually I got eroded by the prejudices against "anything new" that was prevelant throughout the whole scene. Eventually in at 25 I gave up.

3 years ago I came back. I am in the South West now, and Open Mikes are common. With the opportunity to practice my craft in front of friendly audiences I have blossomed in a way that was impossible in the 1980's in South East London, where the only place a songer-songwriter could play was at folk clubs.

The folk clubs are what they are: they have their own set of unwritten rules and their own cliques, and own trends "The organiser likes Tom Paxton, so everyone sing some Tom Paxton". Residents are there to extend and promote themselves and newcommers are competition. We all know what the rules are and the orgainisers have every right to run a show as they see fit. However I am a great one for calling things what they really are. Dartford Folk Club was always worked like this, in my opinion.

Good well known guests were brought in which attracted big crowds and the reward the residents got was to play to packed rooms. To maintain the label of folk club, new commers are declared welcome, but in practice the climate is such that they will soon go away unless they can play the politics of the system and promote themselves somehow, or are happy to just tag along being tolerated.

Fortunately there are many more places to play these days if you are a singer-songwriter than folk clubs, so there really is no problem. The organisers obviously have done wonderful work and are to be respected for it, and indeed I admire anyone who does something that good for live music. But I could never have called Dartford friendly to performers twenty years ago, and unfortunately it appears that nothing has changed. The comments I see here about how newcommers are treated just muatch all I remember of the club. It's fine, people like me should simply go elsewhere....


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 01:47 AM

As Slats or ask Dilligaf to ask Slats.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: billybob
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:53 PM

Hi Captain
yes I am well.
Had a long chat with the Bishop of Welling last night all about Dartford club, he was trying to remember pre. Pam and allan when John Barker moved the club from the Railway to ???? Royal Victoria? Anyone know?
Wendy


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:19 AM

hi, billybob, wendy, glad your keeping ok.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 09:53 AM

After a very enjoyable evening with Steve Gillette & Cindy Mangsen on 26 September, it is the turn of guests:

Nancy Kerr & James Fagan

on Tuesday 3 October 2006

Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.

Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)

12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!

Dartford Folk Club website

(Today, is the 33rd Birthday of the club!)


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 06:34 PM

Steve Gillette's a great writer. get along there!


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: billybob
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 05:48 PM

Oh Captain ( Dick Miles) memories, memories, I am taken back to when you were a floor singer and Pease Pudding were the guests!Those were the days!
Well done to Pam and Allan still keeping the club going, Farningham, Gravesend all gone, but they still give up their time to keep this great club bringing in an audience, they must be doing something right!Wish I lived nearer.
I remember when the Crayfolk ran the club and John Barker had to get a floor singer off with a long hook at verse 40ish of a very long dirge.Anyone know who it was?
Wendy


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 04:06 PM

After a very enjoyable evening with Eddie Walker on 12 September it is the turn of guests:

Steve Gillette & Cindy Mangsen on Tuesday 26 September 2006.

"They are a husband and wife duo hailing from Vermont. Steve plays the guitar with impressive technique and sings easily in a mellow voice. His songs, one of which is Darcy Farrow, have been sung by dozens of major artists. Cindy plays guitar, banjo, concertina and mountain dulcimer and her voice makes a song come very much alive, whether it is a traditional song, hymn, or contemporary piece."

  • Everyone welcome. Club membership not necessary.
  • Anyone wishing to do a floorspot is advised to ring first in order to avoid disappointment. (See website for Tele. number)
  • 12 (Yes! Twelve!) real ale hand pumps on the bar!
  • Dartford Folk Club website

(Note: There has been some discussion about Steve and Cindy on another thread)


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: GUEST,rogerthechorister
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 09:33 PM

I used to like the singaround nights they did in August but now they shut for the festival season.


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Subject: RE: Dartford Folk Club
From: Dartford Warbler
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 01:55 PM

May I suggest that anyone who has gripes or second-hand complaints about how the club is run or events that happen therein, should contact the organisers. Both an email address and a telephone number are available on the website: http://www.DartfordFolk.org.uk

In the real world (outside Mudcat) the organisers receive a great deal more bouquets than the barbed wire dished out here.

And BTW, don't forget that on Tuesday 19 September, it is the turn of Eddie Walker to entertain the folks at the club.


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