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Subject: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: GUEST Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:32 AM THE Crocodile Hunter, Steve Irwin, is dead. He was killed in a freak accident in Cairns, police sources said. It is understood he was killed by a sting-ray barb that went through his chest. He was swimming off the Low Isles at Port Douglas filming an underwater documentary and that's when it occured. Ambulance officers confirmed they attended a reef fatality this morning at Batt Reef off Port Douglas. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: GUEST Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:33 AM Sorry, this has nothing to do with music, should be in the BS section
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:45 AM What a sad, startling story. So many people tried to read about it that several Australian web news sites crashed. I didn't watch his programs, but always thought the bits I did see (advertisements) were good-spirited and entertaining. Sad for his wife and children. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: Amos Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:58 AM MSN Coverage here. A |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: robomatic Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:02 AM I first noticed him in a commercial that made fun of him, I think it was for Federal Express. It was beautifully cast, the actor did a perfect imitation of an overconfident Aussie daredevil just 'asking for it', right up until his eyes rolled back and he passed out. And of course that WAS Steve Irwin. Truly unfortunate, and God give his wife and children strength and good memories. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: The Shambles Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:02 AM Perhaps this bad news will turn out to be good news? One now hopes that the fashion of TV shows that poke animals about will now revert to a more respectful (and safer) approach. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: catspaw49 Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:18 AM I'd suggest a new show that pokes your pathetic ass about Shambolina...... He did and was a lot more than Shammmy would have you believe. I'm sorry for his family and good friends who I know will miss him. He had some good projects underway that I hope continue. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Steve Irwin is dead From: John O'L Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:48 AM He did a lot of good. I'm sure his work will continue. He did a lot for Mother Nature, but true to form, the crusty old bitch nailed him in the end. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: alison Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:07 AM aw what a shame. he seemed like a nice bloke slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Partridge Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:29 AM I've watched his programmes and enjoyed them. He was involved in several projects that protected the wildlife of Australia and did loads for tourism. I'm not sure that anyone else could take his place. What a character, he'll be very much missed. How very sad for his family Pat x |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Ebbie Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:46 AM Aw. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Little Robyn Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:52 AM Crikey! What a way to go. Poor Steve. And poor Terri, Bindi and Bob. We enjoy his programmes - he was on TV3 yesterday. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: Amergin Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:11 AM He pissed off alot of people with that stunt when he was feeding the croc with his bubs in the other hand.... Anyways....he died doing what he loved to do...and what was truly important to him....how many others can say the same? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Sep 06 - 04:41 AM I am surprised that anyone would appear to be surprised at this news. Having seen him provide TV 'entertainment' by generally placing all kinds of wild animals under stress - it comes as little surprise that he has pushed his luck just once too often. Any good he may have done for conservation was easily outweighed by the fact that he put the TV presentation of our natural world back about 30 years. This had moved on a lot until The Crocadile Hunter came along and spawned all manner of shows where it was once again thought manly to been seen chasing snakes and prodding crocodiles only for the ammusment of the viewers and the ego of the presenter. And of course for the benefit of their bank balance. There are many examples of individuals that work tirelessly, selflessly and anonymously for all manner of conservation projects. Perhaps they deserve to be given some credit here also - for their work will not receive much monetary reward? |
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Subject: BS: Steve Irwin dead From: Divis Sweeney Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:16 AM Sad news today that Australia's Steve Irwin, the quirky Australian naturalist who won worldwide acclaim, was killed by a stingray barb through the chest on Monday while diving off Australia's northeast coast. Steve was hit by a stingray in the chest.He probably died from a cardiac arrest from the injury.He was 44. Irwin won a global following for his dare-devil antics but also triggered outrage in 2004 by holding his then one-month-old baby while feeding a snapping crocodile at his Australian zoo. He made almost 50 of his "Crocodile Hunter" documentaries which appeared on cable TV channel Animal Planet and won a worldwide audience. May he rest in peace. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:34 AM I aggree with you Roger, but a word of sympathy for those left behind would not be out of place. A woman is left a widow, and two kids without a father, it is not their fault that he was a show off! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: GUEST,aussie aussie aussie Date: 04 Sep 06 - 06:43 AM shambles , you are obviously a ****WIT.... TAKES AN AUSTRALIAN TO FIGURE THAT ONE |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: kendall Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:39 AM I also agree with Shambles. Much of what he did was just showing off. Kendall, retired Conservation officer. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: JennieG Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:40 AM I feel sorry for his wife and children, they are very young. Steve seemed a nice bloke who was very passionate about animals and was a bit larger than life. Cheers JennieG who never says "crikey!" |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: catspaw49 Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:51 AM Getting people to notice issues at times is done by showing off. From the milder types like Jack Hanna up through the Cousteaus to Steve Irwin....and in many other fields as well. No doubt he was a show-off and enjoyed it as well but he still got his messages through. When I was teaching, the best piece of advice I got was that in this day and age, you had to be as entertaining as MTV. That may not be right, but it IS reality. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: Wolfgang Date: 04 Sep 06 - 08:04 AM His last words: "Death, where is thy sting". Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: John O'L Date: 04 Sep 06 - 08:51 AM We all do what we can and what we're good at, and none of us is perfect. He did it in a very public forum 'cause that's who he was. The harm he did was negligible compared to the good he did. You bag him for being a show-off? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Georgiansilver Date: 04 Sep 06 - 09:38 AM Steve was not so much a show off as a good performer. The great work this guy did teaching at Crocodile School..teaching people how to help the animals...not stress them as Shambles seems to suggest. He cared highly for family, friends and all the animals he worked with. All the animals he handled in the programmes were so handled for either research of health purposes, as well as saving their lives by removing them from neighbourhoods where they were in danger of being shot by frightened residents. He also educated me and many of you in how to help those animals....I believe there are people on this thread who have failed to look beyond their own assumptions of what Steve Irwin did....and many of them would never have the guts to do the same...so sour grapes folks. Rest in Peace Steve Irwin. You did much for the animals that needed your help. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Maryrrf Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:09 AM I was truly shocked and sorry when I read this. I always enjoyed his shows and he seemed like a truly likeable person. I do believe he was deeply committed to the animals he worked with and handled. However, I have often watched his shows (and the imitation shows that sprang up) and thought that he and others were just taking too many chances - getting too close and that something was bound to happen eventually. Maybe they'll excercise more caution from now on. But, back to Steve Irwin (they're showing clips of him now on the news)- he had a sparkly, friendly personality that just seemed to shine through. I will miss him! |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:27 AM And no one has a single word of condolence for the badly injured stingray who was just minding his/her own business. Poor stingray... Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: John Hardly Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:47 AM crikey. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: bobad Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:48 AM "You did much for the animals that needed your help." The best way to help animals, IMO, is to leave them and their habitats alone. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: fogie Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:05 AM Now maybe theres an open niche for my projected TV program about hunting and taming dangerous plants? There's a particularly nasty nettle at the end of my garden- anyone know the telephone number of an appropriate producer? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:14 AM Do you twitch or hop around when you talk, do you wave your hands excitedly, do you have an endearing little verbal trait, like a slight lisp, or the inability to pwonounce you Rs? Do you wear eccentric and/or colourful clothing, or go without shoes or some such odd manner of dressing? If so then you stand a very good chance of getting your own programme. BTW if you are female busty, and don't wear a bra so much the better! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: GUEST,282RA Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:21 AM Some people need to remove head from rectum. The destruction of our coral reefs is a hell of a lot more stressful to the animals on it that Steve Irwin trying to shoot some footage of them. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:34 AM In a show I saw recently he visited an area where crocodiles had recently killed a man. He criticised the local people for feeding the crocodiles and encouraging an association with this place for easy pickings as partly the cause of the fatality. He then placed himself and film crew at risk by to wading about in the water at half light looking for the place where the crocodiles were nesting. He was later shown feeding the crocodiles himself. The viewer did not learn much about the crocodiles which were just used to provide a thrilling backdrop. It is a cheap way to exploit wildlife in order to make a TV show and does little for conservation. You can see why this style now has so many imitators, when you compare the cost with the shows where you do actually learn about the lives of wildlife. Where a team have spent many months and in some cases years, often in terrible conditions in order to produce enough footage to fill the same TV time slot with quality images and information. But manage to do this without stressing the subjects and without affecting the everyday lives of the real stars. Perhaps when the rest of the TV snake chasers and croc prodders have been poisioned or trampled - there will be money available for a return to the sort of wildlife film-making where the daily lives of wildlife itself plays the starring role. I am sure he was a nice bloke and of course it is bad news for his family and friends. But many far more committed but lesser known workers for conservation around the world would also have died today and also left grieving families but would not be receiving anywhere near the same sort of interest and concern. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Big Mick Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:47 AM First I would like to offer condolences to the family. To lose such a powerful figure in the lives of this family will be devastating. God be good to them and him. This obituary thread, as so often happens, has taken on a subtext. I want you all to mark this post well. You won't see it often. Ready? I agree, for the most part, with Shambles. Not on his callous dismissal of a life, or even his aspersions on the good done for conservation. But his criticisms of todays shows, mostly imitations of Irwin's work, are spot on. Growing up in the 50's and 60's, we used to see the marvelous work done by wildlife videographers that clearly took months of dedication. It clearly sought to not impose on the animals world, but instead to observe. There was not a need for much dramatics, the pureness of the natural world provided it. And, if one were interested, one came to understand how it all works together. Todays shows seem to ignore the intricacies of how it all works together, the predators and scavengers, the prey and the prairie, if favor of focusing on just the life, death, danger and, most of all, the thrill. I don't feel it encourages a love and respect of nature. Ramble, off. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: GUEST,282RA Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:59 AM Okay, let's not worry about the wholesale destruction of habitat due of "development", global warming, pollution, overpopulation, etc. The animals are much better off with Steve Irwin out of the way. Let's just leave the animals alone--with the real estate moguls, poachers, militarists, financiers, idiots, industrialists, politicians, and animal rights nuts. Better them than Irwin. We learn about and understand the world so much more from the others. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Big Mick Date: 04 Sep 06 - 12:02 PM 282RA, I am not suggesting that those aren't the real culprit. You are, of course, spot on. What I am saying is that these shows don't do much to encourage the kind of love of wild places and wildlife that would spur interest in preservation. This is just my impression. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: pdq Date: 04 Sep 06 - 12:14 PM Marlin Perkins started his nature show Wild Kingdom in 1963. In 1968, The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau began a eight year run. Both Perkins and Cousteau raised the public's interest level in nature, therefore helping conservationists promote important issues such as habitat destruction and protection of endangered species. They also came across as a college professor type and an elitist. Steve Erwin was able to get the common working class's attention and for that reason was at least as important as his more erudite predecessors. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: SINSULL Date: 04 Sep 06 - 12:28 PM His death does not come as a surprise. He loved taking chances and had to know that at some point he would make a mistake. I am sorry for his family's loss. That said, I too hated to watch him disturb animals in their habitats just so he could play to the camera. All too often I found myself rooting for the snake. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:06 PM In order for the public in general to understand what the environmental issues are, said issues often need to be presented as entertainment. Sad, but true. Eco-tourism is entertainment, so was the programming by Marlin Perkins, and Joan Embry when she was on Johnny Carson, and so was the work of Steve Irwin. They all also had the personalities to pull it off, because they were entertainers as well as educators. They have to aim at the lowest common denominator to get the point across. There is a fine line to tread, however, to avoid encouraging their more dense viewers from straying into a "Jackass" mode. One presumes that if someone with the title "crocodile hunter" wades into water where he knows there are crocodiles, then he knows the risks. To sit in your comfy living room chair and pass judgement is a little disingenuous, don't you think? When engaged in dangerous careers, most people know what the risks are. Jean-Michel Cousteau is carrying on in his father's footsteps after the plane crash death of his older brother Philippe. There is quite a family struggle going on there because Jacques' airline-stewardess mistress got the cash and the estate, but all in all, they still attempting to move forward. One presumes that Steve Irwin's family life was less messy and that his family will be able to continue educating and entertaining through good works. Shambles, you chronically wade into threads to offer discordant rambling remarks in bad taste. Stow it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:28 PM 'Freakish' Accident Kills Crocodile Hunter Friends Remember Him as Much More Than His Outrageous TV Persona link Sept. 4, 2006 — Whenever Steve Irwin, known to his fans worldwide as the "Crocodile Hunter," made his way onto the TV, it was virtually impossible to change the channel. His energy, accent, trademark catchword "Crikey!" and the fearless way he handled the most daunting of crocodiles — calling them beauties and Sheilas — captivated his audience. Irwin often dodged danger to show that there was nothing in nature worth fearing, because he believed that behind the sharpest teeth glimmered a misunderstood soul. Irwin's friend, zoologist Jack Hanna, said there was more to the Crocodile Hunter than his outrageous persona. "People think of him as this sort of wild, crazy guy. … This image on television," Hanna said in an interview with "Good Morning America" today. "But he really was quite an expert in the field. The guy was incredible. His knowledge was incredible." On an ocean dive off the coast of northeastern Australia, nature finally caught up with the 44-year-old. While filming a new documentary, the Animal Planet star was stung in the heart by a stingray's sharp, toxin-filled barbs. Paramedics were helicoptered in, but it was too late. Doctors believe Irwin likely died instantly. Wildlife experts and doctors say it is extremely unusual for a stingray injury to be fatal. "It's freakish from the standpoint that I've been filming in the Great Barrier Reef. I've filmed stingrays all over the world," Hanna said. "People may think they're an animal that attacks. They're not." Real Tarzan Irwin said once he wanted to be a "wildlife warrior." "All I ever wanted to do was be Tarzan, only a reality-based Tarzan, who is actually out there rescuing wildlife," he said. It was that gusto and confidence that made Irwin a household name with a worldwide audience estimated at about 2 million. Even when the cameras stopped rolling, he and his wife, Terri, remained dedicated protectors of the Outback. With their two children in tow, they ran the Australia Zoo. Irwin's showmanship sometimes caused controversy. In 2004, he was criticized for bringing his newborn baby Robert within feet of a snapping crocodile. He stood by his actions when he spoke to Diane Sawyer on "Good Morning America" in 2004. When Sawyer asked him what he feared the most, Irwin's answer wasn't venom or teeth, it was the animal within each of us. "I'm most afraid of people," Irwin said. "The places where I go, the people factor is just so scary, you know, bad guys running around with guns and stuff. And, of course, the diseases. You know, I love to go with my family, but I can't take them where there's like malaria, typhoid, yellow fever." True Champion of the Environment Irwin is survived by wife Terri, also a dedicated conservationist; his daughter, Bindi Sue, 8; and his son, Bob, who will turn 3 in December. Friends say that Irwin was gentle, kind and personable when the TV cameras were off. "Steve Irwin is a very polite person," said Kevin Phillips, a dive master and friend. "He is just like you and I. He will share a joke, have a bit of a yarn, poke some fun. He is a guy that truly, truly loves life." Irwin once said that he was put on Earth to help conserve our wilderness, our oceans and wildlife. Tragically, it was that unabashed passion that cut his life short. "I will remember Steve Irwin as a friend, not only to me, but to all," Phillips said. "He is a great man and a true champion of the environment." |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:28 PM If ya swim with rays, yer gonna get stung... *In my best Quint voice* "Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again. " " Growing up in the 50's and 60's, we used to see..." Blah blah blah... ya... and your farts didn't stink back then either... And the streets were paved with warm golden pussy.... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: GUEST Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:04 PM http://newsroom.blogs.oregonlive.com/uploads/20876-9EF21DFE-8CA1-443E-8C6E-8B7B1AE554F9.jpg Nice pix. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:18 PM When I saw the headline I immediately thought, "Crikey! He's been eaten by a crocodile!" It turned out that he was stung by a stingray instead, which hardly seems fitting. Quite disappointing, really. If you gotta go, it should be in the most classic manner, I think, and for Steve Irwin that would have been death by crocodile. I don't know whether crocodiles throughout the length and breadth of Australia will be mourning or celebrating tonight...but things will certainly never be quite the same, will they? By the way, the silly bloke looked an awful lot like my nextdoor neighbour Glen. Glen does not wrestle crocodiles, however, he mows lawns and does snowplowing. This may be why Glen is not famous and has not had a fatal encounter with a dangerous animal as yet. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: robomatic Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:21 PM Well, Number one, he was who he was. I don't think he claimed what he was doing was safe or recommended. He was demonstrating in a practical and yes, telegenic way, characteristics of animals. He was attracted to 'big critters' that are not well-liked by the population as a whole and he acted on that attraction. Do we know how he lived his life off-camera? That would say as much as or more than the broadcast side of the man. I have often heard that sting rays can be dangerous, but I've never heard of someone being killed by one. It sounds like a freak accident that could have happened to anyone who didn't spend all their time on their sofa. As Lawnchair Larry said: "A man can't just sit around" |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:24 PM Tell that to Eddie Whatnoll. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:24 PM " he was who he was" Who isn't..... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: katlaughing Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:44 PM He was born and raised around crocs and grew up with a love for his work, via his parents, according to what I heard this morning on a news show, which carried footage of him defending having his kids around the critters. We enjoyed his show, up to a point, but it did seem as though he went OTT sometimes. THAT, however, does not mean his actions should have been fatal. I will miss seeing him on Animal Planet and cannot even imagine how sad this must be for his family and friends. LH, I am glad it wasn't a croc which got him. I think that would have been horrible for his family, plus they probably would have had to destroy the croc and that would not have been good. Was the sting ray really injured? Anyone know? May his family receive all of the love and support they can at this time and may the world refrain from judgement and too much intrusion in what should be a private affair. kat |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:48 PM When engaged in dangerous careers, most people know what the risks are. Seemingly not in this case. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:53 PM Wildlife experts and doctors say it is extremely unusual for a stingray injury to be fatal. "It's freakish from the standpoint that I've been filming in the Great Barrier Reef. I've filmed stingrays all over the world," Hanna said. "People may think they're an animal that attacks. They're not." It would appear that they are. Please save us from experts such as these. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: Jeri Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:56 PM Rays tend to lie on the bottom and cover up with sand. They're nearly impossible to see. When I took a SCUBA class, we were on a dive and the instructor motioned "stop - danger" so we watched as he roused the nearly invisible sting ray. This was a really bizarre accident, and my guess is he swam right up over it, and it startled. As far as his dangerous activities with crocs and other critters, I think they looked far more dangerous than they really were. I think he knew exactly how they'd act, and how fast they'd move I think he really knew his abilities and limitations. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Se From: Clinton Hammond Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:02 PM I guess Steve won't even qualify for a Darwin Award, cause he already has kids.... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin is dead (Sep06) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Sep 06 - 03:07 PM As far as his dangerous activities with crocs and other critters, I think they looked far more dangerous than they really were. I think he knew exactly how they'd act, and how fast they'd move I think he really knew his abilities and limitations. I suggest if that were really the case we would not be posting here about his death. Events and the evidence would indicate that if he thought this - he was proved to be quite wrong. I suspect that those keepers and trainers who do work with animals in such situations would suggest that when you start to think like that - is the time when you should move on to another trade before it is too late. |
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