Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafemuddy

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing

Fergie 05 Sep 06 - 07:35 PM
Malcolm Douglas 05 Sep 06 - 08:36 PM
Sue the Borderer 05 Sep 06 - 09:16 PM
Malcolm Douglas 05 Sep 06 - 09:43 PM
nutty 06 Sep 06 - 02:12 AM
GUEST,Helen 06 Sep 06 - 03:59 AM
MartinRyan 06 Sep 06 - 04:31 AM
GUEST,Philippa 06 Sep 06 - 04:37 AM
Fergie 06 Sep 06 - 09:24 AM
Matthew Edwards 07 Sep 06 - 04:49 PM
GUEST,Andrew Calhoun 10 Jun 13 - 11:38 AM
GUEST 10 Jun 13 - 11:43 AM
nutty 10 Jun 13 - 12:36 PM
GUEST 10 Jun 13 - 07:58 PM
Jim Dixon 14 Jun 13 - 03:41 PM
Siochain 14 Jun 13 - 07:13 PM
GUEST,Margaret Pasquesi 18 Jul 13 - 04:39 PM
GUEST 19 Jul 13 - 12:41 AM
GUEST,Julia 19 Jul 13 - 09:51 PM
GUEST,Julia L 19 Jul 13 - 09:54 PM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:





Subject: Lyr Add: I WILL GO WITH MY FATHER A-PLOUGHING
From: Fergie
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 07:35 PM

I WILL GO WITH MY FATHER A-PLOUGHING
[Joseph Campbell (1879-1944)]

I will go with my father a-ploughing
To the green field by the sea,
And the rooks and the crows and the seagull
Will come flocking after me.
I will sing to the patient horses
With the lark in the while of the air,
And my father will sing the plough-song
That blesses the cleaving share.

I will go with my father a-sowing
To the red field by the sea,
And the rooks and the gulls and the starlings
Will come blocking after me.
I will sing to the striding sowers
With the finch on the greening slow,
And my father will sing the seed-song
That only the wise men know.

I will go with my father a-reaping
To the brown field by the sea,
And the geese and the crows and the children
Will come blocking after me.
I will sing to the tan-faced reapers
With the wren in the heat of the sun,
And my father will sing the scythe-song
That joys for the harvest done.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:36 PM

Are you posting this as a poem or as a song? It has been set to music several times (by Ivor Gurney, Michael Mullinar and -I think- John Jeffreys at least) but it would be interesting to know whether or not Campbell himself had a melody in mind.

Are you able to tell us more?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 09:16 PM

I was also wondering where you got the words.

I can't lay my hands at the moment on the 'Field Day Anthology of Irish Writing' which I think is where it was first printed. I seem to remember the words were somewhat different but I could be wrong! Are these words taken directly from the anthology?

I presume line 4 should always read 'flocking' not 'blocking'.

Jeff Wesley (Northamptonshire Farmer) added a 4th verse (about threshing)'since there are four seasons'. He says he doesn't know the origin of the tune he uses.

There are various other differences from the version I know (which is that recorded by Peta Webb and Ken Hall, which they say is based on Jeff Wesley's version). It would be interesting to plot the changes.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 09:43 PM

Given that obvious typo (and the capitalisation error in the title), I should think that the text above was copied-and-pasted from  http://www.rc.net/wcc/ireland/mverse14.htm.

Please, when posting material here, always say where you got it. Apart from the basic courtesy due to your source, it helps us to tell whether or not it can be trusted to be accurate.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: nutty
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 02:12 AM

I always understood that the tune Jeff Wesley uses was put to the poem by Dave Goulder who recorded the song years ago,


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 03:59 AM

Dave Goulder, as Nutty says, has recorded this song. It is on his CD 'Stone, Steam and Starlings' - If you put 'Dave Goulder' into a search engine it will direct you to his web site where his Cds are available. (sorry - can't do links or clickies!)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: MartinRyan
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 04:31 AM

The only tune I've heard used (in Ireland) is the one also used for "The Humour is on me now" .

Regards


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 04:37 AM

I also set this poem to music when I was a teenager. The tune I used is a variation of the well-known Rocks of Bawn


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go With My Father Aploughing
From: Fergie
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 09:24 AM

Hi Malcome
I took the words from a database of lyrics that I have on my PC, it is very possible that I originally cut & pasted them from the site you mentioned. Your advice is good and welcome and for the sake of thouroughness and accuracy I will heed it in future.
I posted the words because I was thinking of Peta Webb & Ken Halls' version as recorded on their CD "As Close as Can Be". They have a fourth verse that they learned from one Jeff Wesley. I will transcibe that verse and the sleeve notes associated with it and add them to this thread as soon as I can.
Ken & Petas' version was in my head because Ken was on Mudcat yesterday and put a comment on the "Frank Harte Festival" thread. The complete "Guest list" for the weekend has not been fully finalised but it is shaping up to being an unforgetable weekend of singing. Do you think that you might make it yourself?
Kind regards
Fergus


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: I WILL GO WITH MY FATHER A-PLOUGHING
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 07 Sep 06 - 04:49 PM

I think that John McLaughlin, who sometimes posts to this forum, knows a bit about Joseph Campbell and I hope he will add something helpful here.

The poem was in fact first published in The Rushlight in 1906 by the Maunsel press in Dublin; this was Joseph Campbell's second book of his own poems, although he had also written words to some airs collected by Herbert Hughes which were published in 1904 as Songs of Uladh. The poem was subsequently much anthologised long before it appeared in the Field Day Anthology so that many Irish children have grown up with it. It is a good example of Campbell's folk based poetry, which was then being encouraged by Bulmer Hobson and the group around the Ulster Literary Theatre.

Campbell moved to London later in 1906 and remained there until 1911 when he returned to Ireland to become deeply involved in the heady mixture of republican politics, literature, and activism that made Dublin such an exciting and dangerous place in those days. It seems doubtful that Campbell could have met Ivor Gurney and approved his setting of the poem.

The text below comes from Austin Clarke's edition of the collected poems published in 1963:

I WILL GO WITH MY FATHER A-PLOUGHING
(Joseph Campbell)

I will go with my father a-ploughing
To the green field by the sea,
And the rooks and the crows and the sea-gulls
Will come flocking after me.
I will sing to the patient horses
With the lark in the white of the air,
And my father will sing the plough-song
That blesses the cleaving share.

I will go with my father a-sowing
To the red field by the sea,
And the rooks and the gulls and the starlings
Will come flocking after me.
I will sing to the striding sowers,
With the finch on the greening sloe,
And my father will sing the seed-song
That only the wise men know.

I will go with my father a-reaping
To the brown field by the sea,
And the geese and the crows and the children
Will come flocking after me.
I will sing to the tan-faced reapers
With the wren in the heat of the sun,
And my father will sing the scythe-song
That joys for the harvest done.

NB
Austin Clarke's 1963 edition of the collected poems of Joseph Cambel is now long out of print, and it richly deserves the attention of one of the "resurrectionist publishers" whose noble endeavours David McKie celebrates in the Guardian of 7 Sept 2006.

I think that some copies of Campbell's biography can still be found: search for Joseph Campbell: Poet & Nationalist 1879-1944, A Critical Biography. Norah Saunders & A.A. Kelly, Wolfhound Press, Dublin. 1988

More recently Cork University Press has published a selection from Campbell's prison diaries 'As I was among the Captives'. ed. Eilean Ni Chuilleanain, Cork University Press, 2001 which records Campbell's experiences after being imprisoned by the Pro-Treaty Government in 1922, and which links with the extraordinary and infamous book Black List, Section H by Francis Stuart.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST,Andrew Calhoun
Date: 10 Jun 13 - 11:38 AM

I have this in Kathleen Hoagland's 1948 anthology, 1,000 years of Irish Poetry. She has it as "weary reapers," and "the finch on the flowering sloe," which I'll wager are accurate since more in harmony with the quality of the rest of the poem.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 13 - 11:43 AM

Although at the sowing time it would be more likely "greening" sloe. I wonder if Campbell published two versions. His work is way too hard to find. Really hating "tanfaced".


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: nutty
Date: 10 Jun 13 - 12:36 PM

Jeff Wesley also recorded the song after having written a final verse which I feel really compliments the song. There a a few minor differences to the versions above.

I will go with my father

I will go with my father a-ploughing
To a green field by the sea
And the crows and the rooks and the seagulls
Will come flocking after me
I will see the patient horses
And the lark in the clear air
And my father will sing the plough song
That rejoices in the clearing share

I will go with my father a-sowing
To a red field by the sea
And the crows and the rooks and the starlings
Will come flocking after me
I will see the striding sower
And the finch on wings so low
And my father will sing the seed song
That only the old men know

I will go with my father a-reaping
To a brown field by the sea
And the crows and the rooks and the children
Will come flocking after me
I will see the tan-faced reaper
Work in the heat of the sun
And my father will sing the scythe song
That rejoices in the harvest done

I will go with my father a-threshing
To a barn set by the sea
And the crows and the rooks and the sparrows
Will come flocking after me
I will see the labouring thresher
Lift his flail high over his head
And my father will sing the flail song
That rejoices in wheat for our bread


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 13 - 07:58 PM

"tan-faced" seems to be correct for the rooting I've been able to do. I'll get used to it. Some out of print volumes by Joseph Campbell are on googlebooks. The Rush-Light, The Mountainy Singer, The Earth of Cualann, The Gilly of Christ. A "Poems of Joseph Campbell" was printed in 1963 but is at $275 for one collectible copy, and the library copy is at U Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.
   The "minor differences" in Wesley's version miss the parallel singing of father and son - really a disservice to this piece.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 03:41 PM

Indeed, Google has The Mountainy Singer by "Seosamh MacCathmhaoil" [Joseph Campbell] (Dublin: Maunsel and Company, Ltd., 1909).

"I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing" is on page 67. Words are identical to those posted by Matthew Edwards above (except that both "seagulls" and "tanfaced" are spelled without hyphens).

I haven't checked to see what other books by him are viewable online, but there is a list at Wikipedia. If you search, be careful of confusing him with some other famous men named Joseph Campbell.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: Siochain
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 07:13 PM

I once taught at a school where this poem was sung to the melody used for Down by the Salley Gardens. Has anyone else heard that setting?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST,Margaret Pasquesi
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 04:39 PM

Siochain! I have been looking for this answer as well. Yes! The only "folk" version I know, (I don't include the English Art song versions by Ivor Gurney and Roger Quilter) is basically the melody for Down by the Salley Gardens, but with some variation. I know Yeats wrote the words for Down by the Salley Gardens, but who wrote the melody? Was it Thomas More?

Thanks so much for helping me solve this mystery!

~Margaret


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:41 AM

According to Wikipedia (wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_by_the_Salley_Gardens#Musical_settings):

"The verse was subsequently set to music by Herbert Hughes to the traditional air The Moorlough Shore in 1909. In the 1920s composer Rebecca Clarke (1886–1979) set the text to own music.The composer John Ireland set the words to an original melody in his cycle "Songs Sacred and Profane", written in 1934.[There is also a vocal setting by the poet and composer Ivor Gurney, which was published in 1938; and another by Benjamin Britten published in 1943."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:51 PM

I always thought it was "The Maids of Mourne Shore". Incidentally, I have found a lovely song called Sally's Garden in a Maine collection. melody is different than the popular one. Lyrics didn't fit the melody as given so I adapted also to make more sense

Sally's Garden
from Carrie Grover's Heritage of Song adapted by Julia Lane 2013

'T was down through Sally's garden one evening that I chanced to stray
I met my true love Sandy just at the closing of the day
They bid me take love easy just as the leaves grow on the tree
But I being young and foolish to wed with him I did agree

My parents they are angry, they swear my love they will undo
For keeping of his company although his heart to me was true
But unless they do confine me or banish my love forevermore
I'll wed my true love Sandy at home or on some foreign shore

Now wasn't I a foolish girl to ever wed with any man
But 't was my love and my good nature that has brought me where I am
But if you were a rake, love, or even were a rover too
I'd sooner wed with my Sandy than any man I ever knew

I wish I was in Dublin City with my true love along with me
With money to support us and keep us in good company
With money to support us, a flowing bowl on every side
Come drink, my boys, you're welcome, for I am young and the world is wide

Cheers- Julia Lane


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I Will Go with My Father A-Ploughing
From: GUEST,Julia L
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:54 PM

Just to stay on topic- I use the melody of The Pretty Maid Milking her Cow for the ploughing song. Beautiful lyric
Julia


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 20 May 7:47 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.