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Birmingham (Warwick) Songs

Leadfingers 01 Oct 06 - 08:38 AM
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Subject: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 08:38 AM

Sorting through piles of words , I have two songs that are 'recent' that i would like info on ! One dates from the 1966 Mitchell and Butler draymen's strike - 'The M & B Downer' and has the chorus :-

They're drinking pepsi cola lemonade and ice cream soda
And granny's parsnip win went down a treat
Our Chief Constable complained of an empty Steelhouse lane
Not a drunk was found in all the city streets

The other dates from a similar time , when there was discussion about ways the Council could generate income , and followed the idea of a Corporation Brothel , song title :- 'The Birmingham Brothel'

If any Midlands Catters have any ideas about the writers of these two songs I would be very grateful !


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 02:20 PM

Leadfingers - It might be worth asking Barry Roberts who posts here occasionally................he was certainly around the midlands about then and is a bit of a folk lorist. I think he has a web site also

Frank


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:08 PM

OK Guest Frug - How do I ask Barry Roberts ? He doesnt appear on Members list !!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: The Villan
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:27 AM

Can't find anything on M&B song. However here is a website about M&B with pictures.

Mitchels & Butlers


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: GUEST,Gadaffi
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 04:02 AM

Could be something that the Ian Campbell Folk Group used to sing. Otherwise, it might have been a song performed at the Grey Cock FC on Sunday nights - regulars included Charles Parker. My old mate Steve Sutton used to sing there in the 1970s - I think he lives in Poole these days.
It doesn't ring any bells as one performed by the Old Crown/Bl;ack Pig regulars.
You could try Dave Hunt.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 09:26 AM

The "brothel" song stirred faint memories in this fuddled brain- I would suggest Ian Cambell too but it's not on any of the albums of his that I have. Jon or Mike Raven?

RtS


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: jonm
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 10:15 AM

Anyone got a contact for Roy Palmer? He produced a couple of collections of Midlands songs in the 70s/80s; I have one and have had the other on extended loan but don't recall either of these from there.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:17 PM

LeadFingers............this is the guy

http://www.barrieroberts.com/

Frank


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: kab
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 12:33 PM

The Ripley wayfarers recorded "the Birmingham Brothel.
So Mick peat may know the origins.


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 04:55 AM

Eight years on and I still dont know the answers !!


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:53 AM

PM Green Man he may be able to help with a song.


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 08:55 AM

Eight years on and I remember even less!

RtS


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Apr 14 - 04:43 AM

No reply from Green Man Cresby - Still looking


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 05:12 AM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 05:50 AM

Contact Sam Simmons FolkLife mag
He sings the song about "The best of Crockery is Birmingham Ware, Birmingham Ware, Birmingham Ware, The best of Crockery is Birmingham Ware, etc etc"


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 05:52 AM

Green Man is probably still the webmeister of the Alcester & Arden FF


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 12:00 PM

I now have Stan Crowther as writer of Birmingham Brothel - There is , apparently , a You Tube
of The Ripley Wayfarers available . Now I need M&B Downer writer , and the Normal Name of `Green Man !   - Alcester Fest people don't recognise Green Man !!


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 06:06 AM

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=652 is what I have re your post 05.50 , 27th Cresby.
And I now have Don Perrymore as writer of M&B Downer .

Maybe I'll post the lyrics when I have a half hour spare


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 08:26 PM

I suspect M&B may be an outsider's work, as a Brummie would have known Ma Butler used to frequent the Tap, making her a sitting duck.


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 05:00 AM

M&B Downer is in one of the Ian Campbell group song books , and has a last verse mentionin The Jug of Punch Folk Club . I'll et the lyrics done today I hope


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Subject: RE: Birmingham (Warwick) Songs
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 07:44 AM

Brumagem Ware - Leadfingers - dat is de song I mentioned.

Green Man - I can't recall names but when I do I will PM you.


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