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Lyr Add: Jesus Shed His Blood for Me(Fanny Crosby)

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Subject: Lyr Add: JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD FOR ME (Crosby/Doane
From: Haruo
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:31 PM

The 2002 (© 2001) Korean-English bilingual hymnal Come, Let Us Worship (don't know how to type hangul in here) has at #183 a hymn entitled "Jesus Shed His Blood for Me", ascribed Fanny J. Crosby. I am posting it here because I can't find it in any of my other hymnals nor in cyberhymnal.org's rather extensive list of Fanny's hymns. The tune is W. H. Doane's NEAR THE CROSS, to which Fanny's text of the same title (incipit "Jesus, keep me near the cross") was originally, and is usually, set.

  1. Jesus shed his blood for me,
    bore, for our salvation
    on his cross, the agony
    of a lost creation.

    Refrain:

    Jesus, Lord, Jesus, Lord,
    for my sins they slew thee.
    Now by thy dear blood restored,
    draw the sinner to thee.


  2. For what crime should he be killed,
    for his killers praying?
    Mad, that mindless mob has willed
    their Messiah's slaying.


    None there lives who does not know
    sin, bloodied as crimson;
    but the cross makes white as snow
    all in Christ's dominion.


    Jesus, oh so fair art thou!
    My good friend, my Savior,
    thy grace, only, save me now,
    and from hell forever.



I'd appreciate knowing who it's really by; if it's by Fanny I'm shocked it's not better known. If it's NOT by Fanny, it would be well to know its source and to give appropriate credit (and let Abingdon Press's Korean editors know to emend future printings).

I suppose it could also be a backtranslation from a Korean version of some other text of hers; any likely candidates spring to mind?

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:40 PM

"Her scope of subjects is wide, embracing everything from a contemplation of heaven, as in "The Bright Forever" and "The Blessed Homeland," to an appeal to the work of this world, as in "To the Work" and "Rescue the Perishing." The majority of Fanny's published hymns have appeared under the name of Fanny J. Crosby or Mrs. Van Alstyne, but quite a large number have appeared under the nom de plumes of Grace J. Frances, Mrs. C. M. Wilson, Lizzie Edwards, Ella Dale, Henrietta E. Blair, Rose Atherton, Maud Marion, Leah Carlton, nearly two hundred different names."

from the www


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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:40 PM

If I recall correctly, Cyberhymnal periodically updates their Fanny list as they discover and include things she wrote uner other pen names. Apparently, she was even more prolific than we know yet!

Our band does "Near the Cross" quite often, Thanks for an additional wonderful text that fits! (Even though the next-to-last verse doesn't quite scan as elegantly.)

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:45 PM

She is accredited on a site I just looked at with writing 8,000 humns in the course of her 95 years.


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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:52 PM

[PDF] FINAL PROOF DO NOT COPYFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Refrain. Text: Fanny J. Crosby, 1820-1915. Tune: ASSURANCE (see WOV #699) ... Jesus shed his blood for me,. died that I might live on high, ...
www.renewingworship.org/ELW/content/PDF/ELWHymnTextsFINAL20060801.pdf -


I think there's enough info to get you to that site, but I have NO idea about PDF files. Seems that something there contains that line (JSHBFM), but wheter it's what you seek or not is beyond me.


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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 01:30 PM

Adrienne, Cora
Alstyne, Fannie Jane
Andrews, A. E.
Apple, James
Armstrong, Alice
Atherton, Rose
Bell, Carrie
Bethune, Catherine
Black, James
Black, James L.
Black, James M.
Blair, Henrietta E.
Booth, Florence
Bruce, Charles
Bruce, Robert
Burns, Charles
Carlston, Mary
Carlton, Leah
Church, Fannie
Craddock, Eleanor
Culyer, Lyman G.
Dale, Ella
Dayton, Flora
D. D.
D. D. R.
Eliot, James
Edmonds, Lizzie
Edwards, Lizzie
F. A. N.
F. J. C.
F. J. V. A.
Fannie
Fanny
Forrest, Mrs. Edna
Frances, Carrie
Frances, Grace J.
Frances, Lillian G.
Frances, S. Trevor
Frances, Victoria
Garnet, Jenny
Glen, Jenie
Gould, Frank
Grinley, Mrs. Kate
G. W. W.
Harmon, Ruth
Hawthorn, Carrie
Hope, Frances
Hops, Frances
James, Annie
James, Mary
James, Sarah
J. F. O.
J. W. W.
Judson, Myra
Lankton, Martha J.
Lincoln, H. N.
Lindsay, W. Robert
L. L. A.
Lowry, Minnie B.
Marion, Maude
Martin, S
Martin, Sallie
Martin, Sam
Miller, Laura
Montieth, A
Montieth, Alice
Park, Edna L.
Prentice, Mrs. L.C.
Smiling, Mrs. Kate
Smith, Sallie A.
Smith, Sallie E.
Smith, Sally
Smith, Sam
Sterling, J. L.
Sterling, Julia
Sterling, Rian J.
Sterling, Ryan
Sterling, Victoria
Stewart, Victoria
Taylor, Ida Scott
The Children's Friend
Tilden, Louise W.
Tilden, Mary
V., Jenny
Van A., Mrs.
Van Alstyne, Fannie
Van Alstyne, Fannie Jane
Van Alstyne, Mrs.
Van Alstyne, Mrs. Alexander
Viola
Wallace, Zemira
Wilson, Carrie
Wilson, Mrs. C. M.
## [yes, she sometimes used these marks instead of a name!]
###
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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 01:39 PM

"I cannot sing the old songs,
For me their charm is o'er,
My earthly harp is laid aside,
I wake its chords no more.
The precious blood of Christ my Lord
Has cleansed and made me free;
And taught my heart a new song
Of His great love for me."

One of her poems. The site that's from is interesting, although there is no mention of the hymn you seek.

www.wholesomewords.org/biography/biorpcrosby.html


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Subject: RE: Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: Haruo
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:36 PM

Yeah, GUEST, I don't know what to make of that Lutheran PDF. Google gave it to me, too, but when I search in it, the line's not to be found. Certainly there's no way you could comfortably sing this text to ASSURANCE!

Susan, I think if you sing "blood-red" for "bloodied" it scans more elegantly, though it strikes me as almost redundant.

BTW, for hymnal lovers and collectors, the volume I got this out of, published by Geneva Press, Louisvilleâ€"and possibly also, with different liturgical materials in the front matter, by Abingdon Press for the Methodists?â€"is quite a find.

I just posted this review to Amazon.com:
I don't read Korean (I can laboriously sound it out if I need to, but I don't know the language so the results rarely merit the labor). I say this off the top so you'll know that my review is based on the hymnal's English content, for the most part.

This is a wonderfully diverse collection of hymns (334 of them counting praise songs and service music items) and also has 58 pages of liturgical matte in the front and 144 pages of psalms (with antiphons) and canticles in the back. And although the Amazon description may lead one to think that this is a Korean-language hymnal (and it certainly was designed with Korean-American congregations in mind), it is actually completely bilingual, indeed, the most thoroughgoingly bilingual hymnal I have ever seen. It has by far the largest number of singable English versions of hymns originally written in Korean that I have ever seen, and some of them, at least, are not only singable but worth singing. The only items I have found that are not really bilingual are the Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis (pp. 536-537, where I don't see how the English texts can be sung to the tunes provided, which are fitted to the Korean texts.

The book was produced jointly by the Presbyterians (PCUSA) and the United Methodists, with the latter apparently responsible for the selection and editing of hymns. I gather each denomination published a separate edition containing the same hymns and psalms, but church-specific liturgical matter.

If you like hymns, I recommend it, even if you know no Korean.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Fanny Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: ragdall
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:53 AM

Yeah, GUEST, I don't know what to make of that Lutheran PDF.

"These documents are for online review and study only. The final published texts and music will be released and authorized for general use or reproduction in both print and electronic form in October 2006."
http://www.renewingworship.org/ELW/content/

Google gave it to me, too, but when I search in it, the line's not to be found.

What keywords did you Google to arrive at the link?


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Subject: RE: Fanny Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: ragdall
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:13 AM

Google found a Korean site that has words from this song, but I can't download the Korean text, (or read Korean). I don't know if the entire song is there. Maybe this is where you found it originally?
http://www.133.co.kr/news_view.html?s=1076&no=35783&s_id=4110


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Subject: RE: Fanny Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: Haruo
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:47 AM

No, ragdall, thanks, but it's in the hymnal Come, Let Us Worship; see the original post above. This is a bilingual-text hymnal; the text is given there both in Korean and in English, and it is stated that the "Korean trans." is copyright 2001 by the United Methodist Publishing House, administered by the Copyright Co. The Googling that got me to the Lutherans was this: "shed his blood for me" crosby. Incidentally, where in the Korean page you linked to do you find this song? The Google results give another, unrelated Korean page, http://dazion.dongan.or.kr/cy/chanyang.htm, which links to an mp3...

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Fanny Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: Haruo
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:57 PM

Thanks, ragdall, for your additional links in the PMs. All of them point to Korean use of the song in the recent past. What I need is information on the song prior to its appearance in this hymnal in 2002. I'm thinking maybe my best bet is to contact the folks at Abingdon Press (the United Methodist Publishing House) who compiled the hymns. However, my experience so far with historical responsiveness from the Methodists is not great. (I'm thinking of my so far dead-end efforts to find the English text "Ring, O Ring, Ye Chimes of Glory" by John Carroll Davison... I wish I had an email address for the JASRAC or the Kyodan's hymnal department.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Fanny Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: ragdall
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 06:39 AM

I wish I had an email address for the JASRAC or the Kyodan's hymnal department.

Are these phone and fax numbers for JASRAC any help?
For assistance in English, please contact the following numbers:
Tel: +81-3-3481-2144
Telefax: +81-3-3481-2154
Maybe these people could direct you to the Hymnal department?
RACKMAN, David and Zenora
(Maritime Conference)
ICU House #482
10-2 Osawa 3-chome
Mitaka-shi, Tokyo, 181, JAPAN
Email: rackham@icu.ac.jp
Partner Agency: The United Church of Christ in Japan (Kyodan)


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Subject: RE: Fanny Crosby? 'Jesus Shed His Blood for Me'
From: Haruo
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 12:42 AM

Rec'd from the Librarian of the Dictionary of American Hymnology Project:
Dear Leland, Our files do not have any information that would verify Fanny Crosby as the author of "Jesus shed his blood for me". There are two hymns with that same first line indexed for us from SELECT SONGS, 1935 and from HERALDS OF GRACE, 1898, but both cite other authors, namely Thomas S. Cobb and W.C. Martin. Crosy used many pseudonymns, but not Cobb nor Martin. There is also a hymn with the title "His blood was shed for me" by Joseph Moon in GOSPEL VOICES NO.3, 1902; but I don't think that's the text you are looking for. I hope this is helpful, Mary Louise VanDyke for Dictionary of American Hymnology, Oberlion College Library

To which I have replied
Thanks, Mary. I have the text (it's #183 in the joint Methodist-Presbyterian Korean hymnal Come, Let Us Worship) and am just trying to find authorship. It is set to the Doane tune NEAR THE CROSS; can you tell me the metrical nature of the Cobb and Martin texts, i.e. would they be of the 76.76 w/ ref. (the refrain being 66.76) form that would fit NEAR THE CROSS?
but have not yet heard back.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Jesus Shed His Blood for Me (Fanny Crosby
From: Haruo
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:59 AM

Rebecca the Acquisitions Specialist at Pitts Theology Library in Atlanta sent me a scan of the Martin "Jesus Shed His Blood for Me" from Heralds of Grace, and it is definitely not the same hymn. I'll post it in my hymnal someday soon, but I'm still in the dark about the provenance of this purported Crosby.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Jesus Shed His Blood for Me(Fanny Crosby)
From: GUEST,Dave Tulluck, Edmonds, WA
Date: 02 Jan 11 - 05:26 AM

While searching for the midi file for the hymn ¡°Jesus Shed His Blood For Me¡± I came upon this post on your website. Here is some information about the author and some history to the hymn, Jesus Shed His Blood For Me, that may help your readers. The following is from an insert that was referencing this hymn, from an online Bible study. The Bible study is compiled and presented from a Korean pastor of a Presbyterian church, and translated into 7 languages, (Korean, English, Japanese, Russian, Chinese, Spanish, and Taiwan).

¡°Jesus Shed His Blood for Me¡±

¡° Jesus shed his blood for me, bore for our salvation, on his cross the agony, of a lost creation. Jesus Lord, Jesus Lord, for my sins they slew thee. Now by thy dear blood restored, draw the sinner to thee.¡±

What is the very first hymn that was written by a Korean? Kim, In-shik (ÐÝìÒã×, 1885-1962)was a forerunner in Western music and was part of the editing committee for the hymnal compilation in 1931. Kim wrote the lyrics for Jesus Shed His Blood for Me. The date this hymn was made public is recorded as 1905, and this is the year the first Korean/English Presbyterian Hymnal and Service Book was published. 1905 was an important time in our country¡¯s history. It was a period of great trial and turmoil in Korea. It was a time of great sorrow over losing our nation. During this time, Kim, In-shik, who was then only 20 years old, wrote the lyrics for this song. Because of the atmosphere at that time, the influence of this hymn swept over the nation.

This is a song that contains the deep inspiration and thanksgiving regarding the Gospel. It is a bit regretful that this song has come to convey a slightly sorrowful mood because of the Korean churches. Rather, I think that this song should be sung with great strength and assurance. I pray that the inspiration and thanksgiving for salvation may abound wherever this hymn is sung.

Hope this clears up the mystery.


'Aim at heaven and you get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither. . .'
C. S. Lewis


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Jesus Shed His Blood for Me(Fanny Crosby)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 28 Dec 12 - 07:32 PM

I do not know if this song is by Fanny Crosby or not , but I have been doing extensive research on Fanny Crosby for nearly five years and have already found nearly 2,000 of her songs as well as over 250 of her pennames. I still have approximately 7000 to 8000 more song to find, and seeing that many of her songs are not repetitious, it would not surprise me at all to find that this song was really by her. I hope this can be of help.

Tim Kinnaman


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Subject: RE: Hymns of Fanny Crosby and Kim In-Shik
From: Haruo
Date: 29 Dec 12 - 01:06 PM

Tim, it seems clear that this text is not by Fanny Crosby, though how the Methodist/Presbyterian joint hymnal committee managed to make this error remains a mystery. Dave Tulluck's comments appear to be reliably documented. The Korean text is by Kim In-Shik, and it is apparently the earliest original Christian hymn text written by a Korean (earlier Korean hymns were all produced by missionaries from abroad). It is not known who made the English version (Kim In-Shik may have done so, but it was likely done by someone else) but it is later than the Korean. It is I suppose conceivable that Fanny Crosby did the English, but since she did not know Korean and was already 85 years old when the Korean hymn was first published, I think it's at least implausible, at least, to think so.

BTW several years ago I produced (with my late friend and keyboardist Verne Eke) a hymn-sing focussing largely on Fanny Crosby's hymns (including some less-well-known ones as well as two of her tunes—she was an accomplished composer as well as lyricist). I don't know if any of the material in that program would be useful to you in your research on Mrs. Van Alstyne, but take a look. The PDF is here. Enjoy!


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