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Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore

GUEST,Richie 09 Oct 06 - 09:54 PM
McGrath of Harlow 10 Oct 06 - 08:12 PM
GUEST,Richie 23 Oct 06 - 09:31 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Oct 06 - 09:50 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Oct 06 - 10:54 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Oct 06 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,Richie 23 Oct 06 - 11:08 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Oct 06 - 11:14 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Oct 06 - 11:17 PM
GUEST,Richie 23 Oct 06 - 11:17 PM
GUEST,Richie 23 Oct 06 - 11:35 PM
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Subject: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 09 Oct 06 - 09:54 PM

Hi,

One of my students is learning "On Heaven's Bright Shore" recently done by Alison Krause.

I was wondering if it is PD or a recently written song? I think Ralph Stanley has sung it.

I have some older songs with the same lyrics but they are different songs.

Anyone know?

Thanks,

Richie


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 06 - 08:12 PM

A bit of googling gives it as written by Judy Marshall and Alison Krauss.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 09:31 PM

Hi,

I found some more info, Alison was 18 when she first recorded, "Heaven's Bright Shore" on her first album with Union Station.

It was brought to the group by banjo player Mark Harman, where he learnd it from the Sally Mountain Show, a Missouri family band that included Rhonda Vincent as a former member.

So it's obviously not a new song. Anyone have any more info?

Thanks,

Richie


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 09:50 PM

Reminiscent of "Over the Beautiful River" by Crosby and Sankey, but I haven't really listened to the Krause song recently, so I could be way wrong.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 10:27 PM

The sleeve note to the Alison Krauss recording says it was written by A. Kennedy and published by Stamp Baxter Music, BMI.

The All Music Guide (allmusic.com) says it was written by Aouston E. Kennedy.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 10:37 PM

Thanks,

If you look on the jacket sleeve it also says "Daniel Prayed" was written by GT Speer. This is not correct, Daniel Prayed is a shape-note song, it's PD and traditional. It also says Green Pastures was written by Brian Ahern. This is also not correct.

The problem is someone can copyright a song and not write and it may really be PD. This has happened many times.

I e-mailed Rhonda Vincent but she may not know.

Here are the lyrics in waltz time:

LRY ADD: Heaven's Bright Shore

Out on the hills of glory land
So happy and free at God's right hand
They tell of a place of marvelous grace
On Heaven's bright shore

Pilgrims on earth some day will go
To live in that home for evermore
Trusting in Him who died for sin
And rose from the grave

CHORUS
On Heaven's bright shore (on Heavens's bright shore)
There's gonna be no more dyin (over there)
Not one little grave (not one little grave)
In all that fair land (that wonderful land)
Not even a tear will dim the eye
And no one up there will say goodbye
Just singing His praise through endless days
On Heaven's bright shore (on Heaven's bright shore)

When I must cross that rolling tide
There'll be someone on the other side
Welcoming me to that fair land
Made perfect by love

When I walk up that milky white way
I'll see that home coming in array
How great it must be for Angels to see
A pilgrim reach home

CHORUS


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 10:54 PM

The song is in one collection from 1931.

A version I have heard before may be found at this website: http://members.aol.com/garydodee/GOSONGS.HTML

Looks like Krause borrowed the chorus, and shortened up the verses. She has failed to credit sources on other songs.

The song was collected by M. E. Henry, 1931, More Songs from the Southern Highlands, JAFL vol. 44, no. 171, pp. 61-115.

The Inspirations and the Golden Avenue Quartet have sung it (Inspirations cd no longer available). Should be more out there.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:02 PM

A performer can copyright their version, but he/she should acknowledge that it is based on older material.

I don't have the JAFL volume, so can't give the lyrics as collected in 1931 by Henry.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:08 PM

Hi Q,

This is the same song.

I have in my hands Melinger Henry's book. It's even autographed! My grandfather was a good friend of his; one of his song collecting buddies.

Here's what you sent: M. E. Henry, 1931, More Songs from the Southern Highlands, JAFL vol. 44, no. 171, pp. 61-115.

I have the book but there's no index and I looked through but didn't see it. Do you know the page number?

Richie


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:14 PM

The Inspirations album came out in 1977.

I have just found it in Perrow, E. C, 1913, "Songs and Rhymes from the South." Just a fragment with music, coll. 1909 from whites in east Tennessee; also in Berea Quarterly, October, 1910.
JAFL 26, pp. 123-173.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:17 PM

Richie, my reference was taken from the JSTOR site, so I have no details.
Damn, I need a friend who subscribes to that outfit.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:17 PM

Q,

I wonder how many songs the Carter family copyrighted that they didn't write. Take Lulu Walls for example.

My publisher, Mel Bay wouldn't allow me to use Lulu walls in my book because AP Carter had a copyright on it.

I had to prove to them it first appeared in a different publication from the 1890's.

They also had a copyright on Wildwood flower.

If you find a song and record it and copyright it; if you are the first to do it- then you hold the copyright.

My publisher let me publish a song by someone else written in the 1950's. He never got a copyright! Hard to believe.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 11:35 PM

I found the reference it's on page 91:

From Hindman, Knot County Kentucky. It is also found by E.C. Perrow Journal XXVI, 147. The title is also "On Heaven's Bright Shore"

We have gone to glory
We have gone to glory
We have gone to glory
Gone to heaven's bright shore.

Some day we'll go and jine 'em
Some day we'll go and jine 'em
Some day we'll go and jine 'em
On heaven's bright shore.

It does have four lines ending with Heaven's bright shore. This may be an early version or a different song. Not conclusive enough, sorry.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 12:37 AM

Has anyone got the lyrics to the song by the Inspirations, 1977?.
Album no longer available commercially.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 11 - 01:19 PM

The Inspirations words are the same as the Allison Kraus version. The Singing Cookes also sang it in the 1980's.


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 16 - 05:51 PM

The song On Heaven's Bright Shore was written by my Dad's best friend, Bro. Roscoe Reed from Wellington, OHIO. Both are now in heaven. Brother Roscoe also wrote A Rose Among the Thorns. Both recorded by The Inspirations. They came to his house before the recorded them in 1977!!!

I have some of the original sheet music to both of these songs with Bro. Roscoe's copyright on the copies. My dad played piano and they both sang and in fact when my father died in 1984, Bro. Roscoe sang at his funeral.

I have wonderful precious memories of him coming to our house and oh the songs they sang.   I believe Bro. Roscoe's widow is still living in Wellington, Ohio and could give you more information.

Sincerely,

Micki Hawkins Stafford (eMail: mickistafford90@gmail.com)


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Subject: RE: Origin: Heaven's Bright Shore
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 07:22 PM

There are a lot of old songs out there credited now to people who did not actually write them. Most of the songs the Carter family did that are credited to A.P. Carter were not actually written by him. A.P. traveled the hills of Virginia looking for songs for the group to do. Music publishers would not pay a royalty for a PD song unless someone was willing to claim credit for it. So, A.P. stepped up and claimed credit. A great example of this was "Keep on the Sunny Side" their theme song. It was written in and copyrighted in 1899 by Ada Blenkhorn and J. Howard Entwistle. It was even included in hymnals of the day. Both had died by 1927 when the copyright was up for renewal so it fell into the public domain. Carter learned it from his uncle, claimed writing credit and copyrighted it himself.


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