BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 22 - 12:44 PM

Not a great thread to revive, Keb, IMO. From the bad old days when guests (and unnamed guests at that) could post in the BS section.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 22 - 11:08 AM

I lightly skimmed this thread and it seems MC at one time had some bat shit crazies who took this lying, whining (see the recent courtroom videos), inhuman bastard's words as holy writ. Disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Aug 22 - 10:02 AM

They finally socked it to him.

CNN: $45.2 Million in Punitive Damages

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:57 PM

Thank God Alex Jones is back. For the past year he's been biting his tongue with Democrat and Liberal callers, trying to explain there is no difference between the people at the top of the Democrat/Republican parties. He's a hard right-wing conservative who's been ranting about Bush's communism for the past 6 years, and he seems to have been taken in by the Democrat promises of "change."

So after the election he finally popped. I think Conyer's disgusting butt-cheek spreading submission to Bush is what did it. Jones searched for the right word to sum up how he felt about the whining, mewling, piss and moaning Democrats he's been trying to educate over the past year. And he finally came up with "Queers." lol

I mean, you Democrats were all talk about changing things in Washington, and you sounded sincere to Jones, so when you didn't deliver (backed off on investigations of the Bush crime junta), he popped. And I'm glad. It was as if aliens had snatched him and subbed some mindless droid...letting you people ramble on and on and on about the promise of the Democratic party. It was pretty nauseating at times.

But now he's back. He sees his Republican party is in the hands of Trotskyites, and you Democrats are wusses, so he's apparently returning to his bedrock conservative roots. And that's good. You Democrats are going to fuss about gay rights and the arctic while the Dem/Rep machine sets up guillotines on the military bases, and in a couple of years you'll be history when your party starts its mass social engineering. And maybe by then there can be an effective, truly conservative movement to salvage the American republic. You morons are so stupid you even think it's a democracy. A lot of callers tried to tell him you are hopeless, and they were right. I think I'll call and tell him the more politically correct term is "fag" though. Or maybe he'll go back to the old standby, "sodomite." I'm just glad he's back from the o-zone.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:35 PM

I should've burned a thousand copies of the videos. People swarmed me. Everyone knows we've been lied to about 9-11. Incredible. Just a couple of naysayers, but no threats, and me explaining to grannies how to put the CD-R in their computers or their grandkids computers then sit back and learn how the govt pulled off 9-11. Absolute thirst for the truth. I'm burning more now, will hand out more this evening.

Here's an interesting article reprinted on infowars.com:

New Law: NO FLY FOR ALL AMERICANS!

Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA International

If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the United States.

It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document" that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you want.

When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United States....

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/no_fly_list_new_law_no_fly_for_all_americans.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:22 AM

He seems a lot smarter than Buchanon, Perle, Wolfowitz and George W Bush combined. ( George really screws up the curve)

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST,Tim Manning
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 06:01 AM

Oh my god, of course he's being sarcastic. He explains it well even in the clip, which is a sound bite. He say that now, even if you are standing up for your own personal property rights and the right to own a gun (and I'ved listened to Alex - it's not machine guns he's promoting) then the government labels you a terrorist with Al-Queda, to scare people away from you and make them think it's wrong to not let private corporations take your home for toll roads and to own guns for hunting and self protection.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 07:24 PM

Nah. Way off the mark. Jones watched Clinton use bin Laden in Macedonia to start the Balkan mess. He screamed about it at the time (state sponsored terrorism). Then years later, in July of 2001, he saw the same types of indicators again, this time pointing to the World Trade Center attack, and in July of 2001 he asked his television audience in Austin, TX to call the White House and beg them not to let the WTC attack occur. The film's on the internet. He begged people to call and ask Bush not to attack the WTC and blame it on CIA asset bin Laden.

That's pretty impressive. The man's a first-rate analyst of data. He sees trends in a macro kind of way after sifting through the minutae.

I've never listened to Jones on Coast to Coast because it comes on so late and then they sandwich him between the UFO people and the Lizard people. So of course he sounds odd there. But for pure politics, he can't be beat.

This Amazon thing, by the way...the reason it's a big deal is because Google suppressed this film. Jones monitored the number of viewings on google, and whenever the downloads crept up to a quarter million, google would reset to zero. Did it 2 or 3 times, I think he said. They've been doing it to "Loose Change" too. And Jones says google operates out of the same bldg as the NSA (I know from experience if I spent the hour needed to confirm this it would be confirmed), and since google censors in China, well you piece it together. No way they'd ever let this film into the top ten, at which point it would skyrocket in the number of downloads. That's what happened to Loose Change. So Jones is trying this other approach. A distributor has got the film into Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Virgin Records, etc. FORCE the public to watch the truth about government-sponsored terrorism. Joe Six-Pack looking for the latest Schwarzenegger film (too stooopid to realize he's in politics now) will pick up Terrorstorm thinking it's just more mindlessness, and hopefully ol' Joe won't be the same afterwards.

The nightly news has to keep reinforcing the lie of 9-11 to make you believe it, but see the truth just once, and there's no turning back. The world's a better place with Jones in it, whatever his faults may be.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 02:24 PM

I've heard Alex Jones over the years, typically on the Coast to Coast radio show, which comes on relatively early in Alaska. He is not a left wing nut. He is not a left wing Limbaugh.

He is simply a nut. You can hear it in the self-justifying manner of speech, in his self-certainty, his repetition of 'known facts' which are neither known nor factual, and his utter humorlousness when he's contradicted. He usually comes on the show with a cohort working a "folie a deux" on some issue.

He capitalizes on the running theme of imminent disaster, the 'facts just about to come out' that will justify his nonsense, and he seizes with a bulldog vigor onto enough surrounding facts (the towers fell, therefore my reasons for why they fell are justified) that he attempts to incorporate into his version of events and his version of other peoples' motivations.

He is one of the many interpretors of events who muddy the waters of actual thought, and in this he does approximate Limbaugh slightly.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 09:20 AM

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #17 in DVD

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 05:38 PM

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #24 in DVD

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 08:29 AM

More power to Alex Jones and the truth movement!

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 11:21 PM

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #66 in DVD

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 08:32 PM

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #81 in DVD

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 07:47 PM

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #199 in DVD

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 02:56 PM

Alec Jones is not left wing. He is simply someone who doesn't believe the US government is being honest. You do not have to be a "left winger" or a "liberal" to believe the US government is not being honest! (grin)

That, however, seems to be lost on people who automatically support the present government at every juncture. They assume that anyone who doesn't must be a leftist or a liberal. Ha! There are conservatives and people on the right who do not support what the Bush government is doing either.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 01:46 PM

Thanks. I'll look at that tonight. But technically, none of this garbage is law. The Supreme court ruled in 1803 in Marbury vs. Madison that if a politician takes the oath to uphold the constitution and then passes a law "repugnant" to the contstitution, that law is void. Same with judges who take the oath and then issue rulings repugnant to the constitution...those rulings are void. And these are definitely repugnant laws, so you don't have to follow them. And anyone who tries to enforce them on you is violating your constitutional rights.

Anyway, I just had to hang up after a 1 1/2 hour wait on hold for Jones' show. Don't use a battery powered phone if you call in. I was going to mention my plan to hand out discs burned with movies at the polling places, but say la vee.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 09:36 PM

Go to Rense.com for the Alex Jones link about Alex Jones sending Constitutional lawyers into the library only to realize that Mr. W Bush signed the new torture bill TOO LATE. It is essentially now an example of a pocket veto by Constitutional law since it was signed after the constitutional period allowed. Having not been signed in the time allowed for by law it became a typical pocket veto!

The new law is not a law. The loophole the administration sought for themselves and ammended by McCain is technically non existent.

Bush and cronies are not excused from unconstitutional crimes that the law was designed to protect them from prosecution / redefine torture / extend executive power etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 09:15 PM

Can't get the link to open. Error. Could be the server's overtaxed.

Below is a link to Terrorstorm, Jones' latest film. Jones somehow got Amazon to handle this. lol. The CIA/MI-6/Mossad terrorist network exposed, for all the world to see, on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Terrorstorm-History-Government-Sponsored-Terrorism/dp/B000HRJLM4/sr=1-1/qid=1162260380/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-02

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 06:37 AM

Alex Jones - another scoop of the year
http://electbarnhill.com/2006/10/24/presidents-inaction-may-equal-pocket-veto/

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 12:30 PM

Jones may be a huckster to some extent, but who isn't? At least he's serving a good cause. He has a family to think of and needs the money, as we all do, but in earning a buck he brings you TRUTH in a big way.

Go to the link above and click on the video clip about Cheney controlling NORAD on Sept 11. Did Jones put that together for the money? Partly, no doubt, but DAMN I'm glad he put it together, whatever his motivations. He could be making a lot more money elsewhere, but his conscience has driven him to spout the truth. It only sounds crazy to some because they're not able to believe the psychopaths running the world really think the way they do. Jones has come to understand how the psychos think (he's learned through a lot of study), and he knows what monsters they are. And he's trying to show the rest of us how things operate in the real world.

Chances are TP is one of the govt-payrolled debunkers. I'm personally glad they troll the message boards and incite responses like this. Just draws more attn to the truth. Thank you TP.

I'm burning a hundred copies of Jones' videos for distribution at polling places on Tues, Nov. 7. Love it.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 12:05 PM

Whose duty is it to draw attention to problems which exist in a society and make necessary changes in the society? It is the duty of those who live IN that society. It is not the duty of an American to bitch about problems in Russia, China, Cuba, and Mexico...while blandly ignoring what's going on in his own front yard...but I know that's what most of you would rather do, right, TP? Because you live in denial. You'd rather focus on evil somewher else than deal with it at home.

Leave it to Russians to deal with Russian problems, Cubans to deal with Cuban problems, Mexicans to deal with Mexican problems, Chinese to deal with Chinese problems, mind your own business, leave other countries alone, and get off your self-righteous asses and solve YOUR own serious domestic problems.

Get my point, TP?

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 11:32 AM

I was never under the impression that Alex Jones had a high opinion of the societies in China, Russia, Cuba or Mexico...or had any desire whatseover to live in any of them. ;-) If he did want to, he'd probably have moved there already.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Bagpuss
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:47 AM

I keep misreading nthe title of this thread and thinking it is about Aled Jones...

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST,TP
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:43 AM

Alex is a certified nut case that all I hear is the sky is falling send me your money for these video's so I can get rich from the very Country I talk trash about.Alex should have to live in China,Russia,Cuba or Mexico for about ten years.

he puts up a few things like the Border War to con you into thinking he cares.

My Dad taught Me just follow the Money Son and If they are in it for the right reason they won't be selling anything but If they are after Money then their Intention is only about the Buck.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 10:44 PM

Good for you, buddy. Keep gettin' the news out. LH said I should pass that on to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 10:02 PM

Good interview going on right now (24-hour loop of Alex Jones' 3-hour daily talk show at infowars.com, link at upper right). Movie producer Aaron Russo. Made "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy / Dan Ackroyd. Other movies, music promoter, etc. He's made a movie called "America, Freedom to Fascism." Labor of love made "cheaply" for a million bucks, no telling how much to promote and advertise it, and theaters won't carry it. So he's released it on DVD early and apparently it's doing well in sales. The film's about the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS is illegal. The constitutional amendment creating the income tax was never ratified. The Supreme Court has ruled 8 times you don't have to pay income tax. This is the film that could throw a SERIOUS wrench into the elites' machinery in America.

And later, Jones is supposed to interview Nobel Prize Winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 12:56 PM

Oops.

Jones' show is 11AM-2PM Central Standard Time Monday-Friday. If you tell the guy who answers the phone and puts you in the queue that you want to call Jones a liberal, you'll go to the front of the line. Seriously, please do this, and put a note here so we can tune in to the re-broadcast.

1-800-259-9231

I wrote down the # last night because I want to phone in and mention the idea of handing out discs at polling places.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 12:51 PM

Please, please, PLEASE call in to Jones' show and tell him he's a liberal. 1-800-259-9231. 11AM-2PM

Here are some links relating to the Cheney acquisition of power at NORAD. NORAD had always been military, but on June 1, 2001 the 9-11 terrorists changed that:

"June 1, 2001: New Policy: Only Defense Secretary May Approve Fighter Jet Launch According to the New York Observer and government documents, the procedure for dealing with hijackings within the United States changes on this date. It requires that, with the exception of "immediate responses," requests for military assistance must be forwarded to the defense secretary (Donald Rumsfeld) for approval. Rumsfeld later claims that protection against a domestic terrorist attack is not his responsibility; it is instead "a law-enforcement issue." [New York Observer, 6/17/2004; Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 7/31/1997 ; US Department of Defense, 6/1/2001 ]"

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-3282

Below is a link to the actual document that transferred control of NORAD to the civilian bureaucracy:

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Below is a link to a video clip about the affair. The clip at the top, "Cheney in Command of NORAD."

http://tyrannyalert.com/video.htm

I'm going to add this last clip (3 minutes or so) to my political video discs. Over 7 hours long now. 3 complete films about the government's 9-11 attacks, government mass hypnosis methods and where all this is leading. I plan to burn a hundred copies of the CD-Rs and go around to the small towns in my area on election day. Hand out the discs to the people handing me literature about their candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 10:25 AM

Today is national TALK RADIO DAY !

All of the leading talk radio commentators are broadcasting from the White house today. There is even a special tent on the White House Lawn to accomodate talk show hosts.

This has actually turned out to be Clear Channel Inc. convention.

Air America's Al Franken and Alex Jones are not invited because they are obviously not talk radio.

This is not to say that there is not a liberal voice among the 122 broadcasters. The White House says they have invited Juan Williams as the voice for the left.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 06 - 10:02 AM

Dick Cheney took control of NORAD in July of 2001

Is their an ABC miniseries about this?

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 09:48 PM

Now THAT was interesting. Gore Vidal comes from a military family. His father wrote the intercept protocols for NORAD. Jones asked Vidal if he knew Dick Cheney took control of NORAD in July of 2001 (first time in history control had passed from military to civilian control). After September ll, things went back to where they were. But there was that window of 3 months....

Vidal hadn't heard of that change. Jones converted one of the smartest people I've ever read from believing a bunch of nincompoops "Let it happen" to realizing the monsters in the White House "Made it happen." Amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 12:54 PM

Just listened to part of today's live feed but will have to go back tonight to listen to the whole thing. Alex Jones is going to interview Gore Vidal. You can listen to the 24-hour loop of the program by going to infowars.com and clicking on the link at the upper right.

The part I heard...Jones reading through this in a rage (article has embedded links to all the relevant stories and sites mentioned):

Neo-Con government mouthpieces and others are claiming that the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which heralded the official end of the "great experiment" of the American democratic republic, does not affect U.S. citizens, only illegal aliens and foreign terrorists. Recent history of how terror legislation was used to target American citizens clearly indicates the legislation will be used domestically.

A coordinated effort to downplay the implications of the fact that the bill affects American citizens, in the face of extensive coverage on the part of Keith Olbermann, is underway in an attempt to offset the possible repeal of this draconian legislation.

The most recent example of a U.S. citizen being targeted using terror legislation involved BBC investigative journalist Greg Palast, who was pursued by Homeland Security and charged with unauthorized filming of a "critical national security structure," (an Exxon Oil refinery that was readily available to anyone with an Internet connection at Google Maps), under PATRIOT Act legislation. The charge was later dropped after an activist outcry.

The recent historical precedent for U.S. citizens being charged under legislation originally passed in the name of combating non-US terrorists only, provides clear motivation for the Military Commissions Act to be used in the same way.

Since 9/11 the PATRIOT Act has been used in numerous cases involving American citizens, including strip club owners , toy store proprietors , the homeless , owners of websites , writers , artists , photographers , and common criminals .

Section 802 of the PATRIOT Act is specifically aimed at US citizens and announces any crime as "domestic terrorism". Citizens can be held without a trial as "Enemy Combatants". The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in January 2003 that U.S. citizens can be stripped of their citizenship and held as enemy combatants.

Therefore any legislation passed by Bush automatically applies to American citizens because, as the Washington Post reported , after 9/11 Bush announced his "parallel legal system" in which he could declare any individual on the planet an enemy combatant and order their summary execution.

"The Bush administration is developing a parallel legal system in which terrorism suspects -- U.S. citizens and noncitizens alike -- may be investigated, jailed, interrogated, tried and punished without legal protections guaranteed by the ordinary system, lawyers inside and outside the government say."

The trick being played on the American people in falsely assuring them that they are not the target is simple to decode. The Act states that it only applies to enemy combatants yet the President and his legal advisors like Alberto Gonzales have routinely announced that the President has the power to strip Americans of citizenship and declare them to be enemy combatants. The "enemy combatant designation" was ascribed to U.S. citizen Jose Padilla who was interned in a Navy brig for over three years with no charges against him.

Top legal experts and scholars are nearly unanimous that the Military Commissions Act does affect American citizens.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/military_commissions_does_affect_us_citizens.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:02 AM

I have to admit I really enjoyed his interviews regarding the JFK assasination. There are hundreds of his radio broadcasts and videos on Youtube.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 12:00 AM

So, where's the lie in the post above yours? The stories are all linked through to the mainstream news sites...Reuters, Houston Chronicle, etc.

You debunkers have failed miserably in your attempts to deceive the American people. Right now I'm burning 10 copies of video downloaded from the internet...documentaries about the methods and actions of the gangsters who've hijacked America. 7 hours of video covering everything from the govt-sponsored terror event on 9-11 to brainwashing techniques used to sell dictatorship. I'll hand these out tomorrow. And thousands of other people are doing the same thing I am at this very moment. Your team has lost, buddy. Change sides while you still can.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 10:51 PM

Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?

does it matter? Both sides lie like rugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 12:40 AM

Oh yeah. You gotta listen to this show that was recorded today. He is mightily steamed. Here's a sample of the "tin foil hat" news he has at infowars.com today:

*Alex is joined by University of Wisconsin-Madison History Professor Alfred McCoy to discuss the open torture policy of the Bush regime, the Millitary Commissions Act signed into law today...

*Bush Buys 100,000 Acres In Paraguay

*"Machine gun the rioters, Blunkett shrieked" An hysterical David Blunkett demanded the army be brought in and use machine guns to control a prison riot, the former head of prisons has claimed.

*Houston Police Attack Band

*The Pentagon on Monday said it will force troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and South Korea to be vaccinated against anthrax, restarting a court-halted program after U.S. regulators declared the shots safe and effective.

*Nurse sues over ticket for anti-Bush bumper sticker

*Three years after the Food and Drug Administration first hinted that it might permit the sale of milk and meat from cloned animals, prompting public reactions that ranged from curiosity to disgust, the agency is poised to endorse marketing of the mass-produced animals for public consumption.

(Don't see anything preposterous in this stuff. Well, not preposterous in a "supernatural" sort of way. And this is just a small sampling of the kind of stuff Jones and his staff report daily. Each of these is a big story and should lead to impeachments and lawsuits. The anthrax vaccine. Sheer poison. A court ruled the troops didn't have to take it, but the Pentagon's gonna do it anyway. Screw the courts, right? Nah...no big story there. Just more ranting from a lunatic. He made up the Reuters link, just like he did the Reuters link to Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security saying "We now have a capability of someone to radicalize themselves over the Internet" this week. Jones is just imagining that Chertoff has dual American-Israeli citizenship and is threatening people who use the internet. Yeah, Jones is a nut. He made up all this stuff.)

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 07:39 PM

Bill,

Hey, I loves you but LH's "prejudices", IMHO, aren't prejudices at all but "biases"... There a vast difference in how folks come up with their various opinions... I think both of you have lived enough and explored enough for neither of you to be carrying and prejudices at all... Afterall, you both like to turn over rocks and explore possibilities...

Now shake hands and no more talk of prejudice... Okay???

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 07:26 PM

Oh, so sacrifices DO occur, but only under the circumstances you choose to believe. Interesting.

The Finders group has been proven to be into kidnapping, to my satisfaction. The cops in Florida who did the initial investigation arrived at that conclusion. The kidnappings occur, there are some links to info about the subject above, and that's that. If you feel comfortable with tens of thousands of kids disappearing every year in America, that's your problem.

But I only used the Finders as an example of the information presented on Jones' program. I see that today he interviewed an expert on torture (Bush signed the Military Commissions Act today, and that means he now claims the right to torture anyone in the world). Should I put on my tinfoil hat if I listen to the re-broadcast tonight? Will those legal experts claim to be from Neptune? I don't think so.

www.infowars.com The link on the upper right has a 24-hour loop of Jones' daily 3 hour program.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 06:12 PM

Everyone is under the impression that they are trying their damndest to be objective, Bill. They are. You are not among a chosen few extra-objective people who can speak, therefore, with additional authority. You're just like the rest of us, instinctively drawn by your gut and your past history to whatever suits the way you already think things are or should be, and you have in truth scanty interest in views divergent to your own...except insofar as they provide you with a handy target to fire clever and articulate verbal volleys at, and a downright golden opportunity to again voice your own blessed opinion which you are quite SURE is a very, very objective and well-considered opinion, probably the most objective and well-considered opinion out there...and that puts you in exactly the same spot as anyone else,   exercising your intellectual vanity here. I do it too. We all do it. Everyone who opinionates in public does it.

And what can I do about that? * shrug * Nothing.

Anyone who posts their opinions on an Internet forum is asking for it anyway. It's like painting a target on yourself and walking up and down in no-man's-land in a war. Pointless, really. It just attracts attack from people who don't share the opinion.

It makes me wonder why I even bother anymore. I don't even care if you believe anything I believe. What difference would it make if you did? Would the world be saved?

I think not.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:29 PM

I don't know if he's like the anti-Rush 'er what??? I'd have to see how he'd perform in the pee-in-the-cup contest... We know that Rush has been known to fail them things but...

...hey, I like the guy...

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

No doubt you are 'almost' correct in your evaluation of human nature, LH...but for those few who DO try to be objective and find correct answers instead of just believing something that fits their prejuduces, it is a frustrating road. The most common accusation is being 'close minded' and unwilling to see the 'truths' being tossed at them.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 04:40 PM

Everyone believes basically whatever they want to believe, searches out only the info that supports that, and draws conclusions accordingly, Bill. No one is capable of digesting more than a tiny fraction of all the info that is out there, and they base their highly subjective opinions on that tiny fraction of info that they are instinctively drawn to, and tend to obstinately deny (even ridicule) anything that lies outside their normal comfort area and their usual assumptions.

I realize this after a long and tiring and frankly disillusioning life, and I accept it now with calm resignation, because there's not a damn thing I can do about it. The TRUTH is not going to be nailed down and proven to everyone's satisfaction before you and I die. When I was young, I hoped that it would be. Not so.

It's saddening. But that's the way it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 03:27 PM

Of course there have been 'sacrifices' to Satan, but that doesn't show that any particular incident was!

You folks who push all these conspiracy theories don't seem to understand how 'proof' works.

*I* can invent 27 silly, but vaguely plausible, theories about world events which are internally consistent IF you accept my premises, and dare YOU do disprove them.

It takes ENORMOUS amounts of time to 'prove' negatives, and at the end, one can just say, "oh, you are just not reading the data correctly."

Remember the 100MPG carburetor? And dead aliens in Roswell? "They are just being hidden by the govt./oil companies"

The point is, if there never was any such thing, and you claim it is just hidden, it can't BE disproved!

"Proof" is not concocting an interesting claim that only stands if you accept some premises in one way that can easily be explained in OTHER ways! Proof is showing that it can ONLY be one way.

This Alex Jones is so far from being 95% correct that it boggles the mind that anyone would give credence to his bellowings!

.....and, there was a LONG discussion about other ways to explain the 9/11 building destructions...based on physics, not wild, complex notions about planted explosives.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:30 PM

I've offered more proof that it DOES exist than you've offered that it DOESN'T. Show me where I'm wrong. I could go into the whole thing about the ancient mystery religions developing into satanism, the druids, Anton Levay, Crowley, etc., etc., etc. You've denied satanic sacrifices take place, and now you're in the impossible position of disproving a negative. But for the sake of argument, wouldn't you allow that sometime during the course of human history, at least ONE sacrifice was made to Satan? Be honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:35 PM

I need a new cuckoo for my cuckoo clock, where do I sign?

Sacrifices at Satanist rituals my arse!

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:26 PM

I first found out about the Finders group from listening to one of Jones' broadcasts. You folks think the Foley scandal is bad, it's just one hair of the dog.

http://naffoundation.org/Finders.htm

...A recent convert from Satanism, Michael McArthur, has given validated inside information about the FBI and the CIA programs which kidnap children in order to supply Satanic rituals with sacrificial material. The names of the agents who spend their official government time kidnapping children for Satanism that Michael knows about are as follows:

Chucky "Mike," "Peters"-FBI hit man in Div, 5 of FBI

Nichol Harrah--FBI agent who abducts children for sacrifice

Unda Krieg Satanist working for FBI

Ken Lanning FBI agent who abducts children for sacrifice

Nick O'Hara FBI hit man, Satanist, has covered FBI child kidnappings by murder

Kape Richardson CIA agent who abducts children for sacrifice

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/rockefeller.htm

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I hadn't looked at this stuff in a while. Here are some updates:

People v. Harrah

http://www.law.com/regionals/ca/opinions/supremecourt/appeal00/h020365.shtml

Oh, man. Look at where Ken Lanning is now:

http://www.law.com/jsp/dc/PubArticleDC.jsp?id=1147770329023

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 12:22 AM

I find it interesting, Guest, how similar Communism and corporatism (big centralized capitalism) become when they are put into practice. They both amass great power in the hands of a centralized elite and enforce it with tremendously powerful security forces (both overt and covert). They both control the national media. Corporatism is a bit more clever than Communism, though, because it appeals to the everday guy's desire for more stuff and more entertainment...so it sugar coats the poison pill. Communism failed because its instruments of oppression were too obvious, and it couldn't compete with a system that motivated people through their own greed, which is what corporatism does.

In the end, though, they both end up about the same. A few incredibly rich and powerful...and under them millions of terrorized serfs who have to get used to obeying orders.

You might not be too far off about the "sacrificing kids" bit, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:10 PM

We fight the billionaires by sitting in front of their trains.

I will be doing this (no shit, I never bluff) very soon.

Well, it may not be literally trains, but you know the drill (and it worked!).

Subject: RE: BS: Alex Jones - a left wing Limbaugh?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:04 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/110606Bullhorns.htm

Couldn't find just the audio of the Ottawa bullhorning, but this is an audio/video. If anyone watches this, remember this guy is a hardcore Christian who believes the people in that building are Lucifer's representatives on earth. Incredibly brave behavior when you take that into consideration.

Icke and the rest of those guys...don't listen to them, don't read their stuff, Little Hawk. The Illuminati reading is as far out as I get, and I only read it because it ties in to politics. Like the Bilderbergs. Two years ago you were told by the government dis-information people to put on your "tin foil hat" if you said the Bilderbergs existed, yet here is Alex Jones, bullhorning the group. He got film of them coming and going too. The border patrol detained him for 15 hours, just so he wouldn't draw attn to the Bilderbergs, and then his detention and ranting turned into headline news for 3 days in Canada, from what I've read. lol. That is so good. I bet Queen Beatrix sacrificed a couple extra children when she got home, just to get her blood pressure back under control.

And let's see...oh, I'd say Jones is more like 95% on target. He has a really good memory and talks fast, so you have to listen closely for the references, but he does back up all his outlandish statements with sources (Baltimore Sun, Reuters, UPI, Navy War College). And he's always been right, when I've checked. And he's right that the govt doesn't bother with concealing much. They know the mass of people won't read the websites and reports.

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/published/pentagonsnewmap.htm

Like that one. The Pentagon's Core and Gap approach to communising the world. Out in the open. I found out about that and dozens of other astounding things on Jones' sites.