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We need a YouTube Permathread.

Murray MacLeod 16 Oct 06 - 05:34 PM
The Borchester Echo 16 Oct 06 - 05:42 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Oct 06 - 05:45 PM
Clinton Hammond 16 Oct 06 - 05:51 PM
LilyFestre 16 Oct 06 - 05:58 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Oct 06 - 06:00 PM
Clinton Hammond 16 Oct 06 - 06:05 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Oct 06 - 06:13 PM
Clinton Hammond 16 Oct 06 - 06:17 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Oct 06 - 06:33 PM
Azizi 16 Oct 06 - 06:50 PM
Murray MacLeod 16 Oct 06 - 06:59 PM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Oct 06 - 07:31 PM
Big Mick 16 Oct 06 - 07:32 PM
Clinton Hammond 16 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM
Azizi 16 Oct 06 - 08:37 PM
GUEST,Joe Offer, at the Women's Center 16 Oct 06 - 08:48 PM
dwditty 16 Oct 06 - 08:59 PM
GUEST,Richie 16 Oct 06 - 09:43 PM
wysiwyg 16 Oct 06 - 09:59 PM
Azizi 16 Oct 06 - 10:33 PM
rich-joy 17 Oct 06 - 01:23 AM
rich-joy 17 Oct 06 - 02:06 AM
dwditty 17 Oct 06 - 06:32 AM
The Fooles Troupe 17 Oct 06 - 08:17 AM
Clinton Hammond 17 Oct 06 - 01:11 PM
Big Mick 17 Oct 06 - 01:33 PM
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Subject: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 05:34 PM

In the months and years to come it is inevitable that more and more people on Mudcat are going to post URLs to folk videos on YouTube, as more and more folk videos get posted to YouTube.

Would it be possible to set up a thread so that all the recommendations are directed to one thread, possibly split into sections so that for example, unaccompanied singing, solo guitar, fiddle etc. etc. all have their own subsections ?

I realise it would probably take some extra work, and possibly some editing, but hey, I would volunteer to help out if necessary (unless the technical skills required are way above what I possess)

I think it could be a really valuable resource.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 05:42 PM

Why? YouTube has a search box. You put the name of whoever you want to see in it. If anything's been posted you get it in seconds. What could be simpler?


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 05:45 PM

you are missing the point.

it's not a question of searching YouTube.

it's a question of stumbling serendipitously on a rare gem, and sharing it with other people.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 05:51 PM

So start a Folk Blog on your Youtube member page....


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: LilyFestre
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 05:58 PM

I think this is a good idea. Folks are going to put up links to YouTube anyway to share great things that they have stumbled upon. Why not have a thread or two that are for links to that kind of thing? I like the idea. Good things are always worth sharing and YouTube has lots that we can all learn from and enjoy, the topic always being related to folk music. Why not?

Michelle


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:00 PM

Bit pointless doing that Clinton, since nobody is ever going to visit my YouTube member page.

Mudcat is visited by thousands of people all of whom are interested in folk music in some shape or form, so does it not make sense to have a section where they can click onto members' recommendations ?

Obviously, what I am suggesting is recommendations to videos of exceptional merit, or historical significance, not blanket lists of URLs to every single performance by every artiste.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:05 PM

" Mudcat is visited by thousands of people"

HAhahahahahahahahahaha!!! Thousands of people!   That's FKn funny!!!

I'll wager WAY more people visit YouTube in a day than visit Mudcat in a month


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:13 PM

yes, Clinton, you are probably right, but the point I am trying to make is that since everybody who does visit Mudcat is presumably interested in folk music in some shape or form (whether they be numbered in thousands, hundreds or dozens), would it not be a good idea to have a resource to direct them to videos of outstanding performances ?

for example, how many of you have seen this version of Maple Leaf Rag on Guitar ?

I must have listened to dozens of guitarists playing this over the years, but I have never seen anyone as fluent and nonchalant as this young Japanese player.

I am sure many other people on here must have links to great performances that I have never seen, but would doubtless enjoy if I knew about them.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:17 PM

Well, you've given them this thread to 'intorduce' them to youtube (like it's somethign new....)

Now they know it's there and they can go and search on their own....

What use a thread that leads people further away from Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:33 PM

I don't think this is the thread which will 'intorduce ' them to YouTube, Clinton, it's been discussed pretty exhaustively already in several threads going back months.

it might well be the thread which leads to the establishment of an online library of outstanding folk videos however.

then again, it may not ...


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:50 PM

Murray, I think having a permathread where folks can post links to YouTube folk videos is a great idea.

I'm still not sure what is the difference between a thread and a permathread.

Can anyone start a permathread? And are permathreads started just like you start you start a new thread?

If anyone can start a permathread, and if it's started just like a new thread, why not just do it?


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 06:59 PM

Well, my concept, (and I don't even know if it is technically possible ), is to have a thread with different sections for different aspects of folk music, so that when a suggestion was posted, it could be shifted to the appropriate section by the Mudelf, Joeclone, moderator, whatever.

If you are interested in accordion music, for example (and some people are) you don't want to have to trawl through endless URLS about guitar music, do you?

It has to have some kind of editing and organising facility, otherwise the idea is a dead duck.

It would of course be possible to have several individual threads each devoted to a specific instrument, or vocal style. It would still be necessary to edit and organise however, much in the same way as threads get shifted from Music to BS and vice versa, at present.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 07:31 PM

I think it's an excellent idea - it isn't just a question of finding archive clips of people like Woody Guthrie or Elizabeth Cotton, (both there), or Fred Jordan (not there so far). Fascinating stuff can turn up under tags where you wouldn't necessarily expect to find them.

For example I've found a fascinating set of clips about folk music in a small Portuguese town called Montargil - the tags for them are words like "folclore" and "montargil" 2006. Even if I'd looked for "folklore" I wouldn't have found the clips.The only way I found it was by chance, because I put "concertinas" in the search engine, and it happened to lead me to a clip of the town band (without a concertina in sight, but several accordions).

Here are some links to show you what I am on about - here and here and here. And for a bit of contrast - here. (What's the song here by the way, and who's singing it?)

The point is, we are all likely to find something good from time to time we'd like to share with others, and some way of making these finds more accessible over time would be really helpful.

What I'd think is likely to happen is that as the YouTube archive gets bigger, people on the Mudcat are increasingly likely to link to clips in the course of discussions on threads, maybe as as illustrations of something they are talking about. Some way is needed of accessing good stuff that turns up, once the thread in which they cropped up has fallen away.

A permathread is perhaps a good way. There might be other, even better, ways which could emerge if we put our thinking caps on. Maybe the Mudcat search engine could be tweaked in a way that would help.

The thing is, YouTube (and proabaly other similar sites) are changing things, and we can use them to make life on the Mudcat even more interesting.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 07:32 PM

Murray, pay no attention to the little man with self image problems. Like all folks that suffer from this disorder, he uses bluster and arrogance to get attention. He will now resort to comments about my weight or some other non related thing. I will help him out here, as it appears he needs it again. What he meant to say to you was that in his opinion this wasn't needed.

I disagree. I think that this is an excellent idea. It could serve as an index or catalogue to video's of interest to this specific community. True, as countess richard points out, anyone can use the search function, but this would serve to keep track of specific folk and blues related vid's.

Mick


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM

" pay no attention to the little man with self image problems"

You shouldn't denigrate yourself before you even post here Mick... Allow the mealy-mouthed rusty-tromboning drivel that you post do it for you.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 08:37 PM

I'm still not sure what's the difference between a thread and a permathread.

Is one aspect of it that permathreads are just for information but not discussion?

For example, I have questions about the instruments and the location of the festival that McGrath provided links to.

If this video were in a Mudcat permalink, what would be the appropriate place to ask those questions or make other comments?

[Btw, thanks Murray and McGrath for those posting those sample links!]


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: GUEST,Joe Offer, at the Women's Center
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 08:48 PM

Hi, Murray - Sounds like a good idea. Check the other PermaThreads in our PermaThread Index to see how they're set up. Then go ahead and start a new thread and say it's an edited PermaThread. Then send me a personal message and tell me about it, and I'll set it up as a PermaThread that you can edit.

That's generally how PermaThread setup works. Come up with an idea for a thread that can be used for permanent reference information on just about any music-related subject. If I approve it (and I usually do), I'll be glad to help set up a thread.

If a PermaThread is not maintained or proves not to be interesting to the community, it can lose PermaThread status.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: dwditty
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 08:59 PM

OK, now we have beaten the horse to death. I was just trying to suggest that there is some pretty cool stuff on You Tube...have a look...have fun...don't waste too much time. If you feel like sharing something you found do...in a Permathread....a regular thread (remember if it is not a music thread keep it below the line)...or, hey, rent a freakin' billboard if you want to.

dw


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 09:43 PM

I think it's a great idea. Thanks for suggesting it.

By the way I also play the Maple Leaf Rag as well as other Joplin Rags. I like his playing also.

Richie


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 09:59 PM

Azizi, a permathread is simply a Mudcat thread that has been designated as allowing for editing and reorganizing the information in it. Anyone can add to a permathread, but it's up to the permathread's editor whether to retain that post, delete it, or move its information into a specific slot within the permathread. If you will do as Joe suggests-- look at the ones we already have-- you will see them in various states f evolutuon/editing and organized in different ways as their editor chose to organize them.

The biggest one we have is the FAQ permathread-- one way it functions is that Joe Offer, who edits it, will reply to Mudcat FAQ-type questions as they come up, and every once in awhile he will take the question and how it was answered and edit it upthread into a section where it fits with other material. Or he might edit out a question and answer that are already covered by the preceding material in the permathread, after the person who asked the question has had a chance to see the answer.

As I recollect it, these were named "permathreads" because at first, the idea was that they would stay permanently at the top of the thread list. Later, it was found that there were too many good ideas for such threads to keep all of them always at the top, and now just the main ones-- including a permathread that is an index to all of them-- stay up top, in a drop-down box at the top of the daily thread list.

At the start of permathreads, editing was usually done as a partnership betwwn someone who made the decisions about the content, and a Mudcat clone (site volunteer) who had the tech kow-how and site policy know-how to do the actual moving around of stuff. The Spirituals Permathread was like that-- I made the decisions and Mudcatter Jeri did the tech work of implementing them. Over time, it got to where most folks with good ideas for permathreads were given the tech tools to do their own changes, as I was for the Spirituals permathread-- like I became my own little Help Department for just that one thread.

And that's what Joe Offer is describing, upthread.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Azizi
Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:33 PM

Thanks, Susan, for responding to my question.

I had looked at the permathread link that Joe provided. Perhaps because the permathreads which are listed are-as you put it-"in various states [o]f evolutuon/editing and organized in different ways as their editor chose to organize them", I was still puzzled about how a permathread differed from a "regular" thread.

I "get" it now. At least I think I do.

And I suppose I'll "understand it better by and by".

:o}

Best wishes,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: rich-joy
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:23 AM

Go for it, Murray!!
(I, for one, would welcome such a thread ...)


Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: rich-joy
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 02:06 AM

When I first visited YouTube, back in July, I had no problem loading and watching the clips (and downloading some of those fabulous folk history ones too!). I'm on Broadband, so I guess that helped!

The last few days when I've tried, they keep stopping and starting - very frustrating - so that I tend to give up before even half a film is watched.

Can some 'catter please advise me whether this is likely to be a problem with MY 'puter - or is it just the time of day that I'm now visiting the site (which is late arvo, Australian time - like now!!) ??!!

Thanks,

Cheers! R-J
:~)))


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: dwditty
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 06:32 AM

Some of the videos do seem to take longer than others to load...I have no idea why. When it happens, I press "Pause" and let the download get a good head start then press play....or I "x" out of that video.

dw


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 08:17 AM

"The last few days when I've tried, they keep stopping and starting - very frustrating - so that I tend to give up before even half a film is watched."

The rate of data thruput to you is now much slower, either

because your ISP has found that you have reached your data limit for tehmonth and has switched you to a slower speed (called shaping) for teh rest of the month.

or YouTube is now reaching the capacity of its servers, due to popularity.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:11 PM

"Some of the videos do seem to take longer than others to load...I have no idea why."

Probably because some vids are bigger or longer than others....

What we NEED is a musical version of YouTube!


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:33 PM

Now that is a great idea. In essence what is being proposed here is a stopgap measure for that. It's too bad we can't figure out a way to catalogue, or tag, the video's listed to reflect the genre's. It would have to be thought out and allow for multiple genre's.

Mick


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:35 PM

Seems to me YouTube is cataloguing the videos listed


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:45 PM

I agree that they are, but a music site inhabited by musicians, it seems to me, has a need to cut it with a bit finer knife, don't you think?


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:48 PM

It appears that YouTube catalogues the videos according to the tags put on by the people who upload them. That way of doing it as a lot of good points - but it means that there is likley to be some inconsistency, and it maynbe hard to find clips thta haven't got an obvious tag (for example the ones I linked in my earlier post).

It would in principle be possible to do that outside YouTube itself, and in a way that would ensure consistency and easy access, and to carry such an index on the Mudcat. But it would be likely to involve a lot of work setting it up, though it might be possible to spread the load of keeping it going once it had been set up.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 02:01 PM

No we don't need a U Tube thread/link!


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 02:03 PM

Some people think we do... so... start one.... Don't wait for someone to do it for you....

To paraphrase Morpheus (The Matrix) "Stop trying to post it, and post it!"

I'll wager it'll be just one more ignored thread here at Mudcat....

When was the last time anyone even looked at the Mudcat Frappr??
(Just one example)


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 03:19 PM

Thank you Joe, and thank you Susan, for your informative and helpful posts.

I shall post the thread up later and PM Joe as per instructions.

Thanks to Kevin as well for explaining so succinctly what I was trying to get across, namely that you can't always find what you are looking for on YouTube just by searching on the tag you think will give you a hit.

Just to take one more example, try inputting "Tony McManus" in the search box. You will come up with two videos, one of Tony playing "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" (my absolutely unfavourite track of his ), and one other of an amateur guitar player having a valiant stab at one of the tunes of the "Ceol More" album.

If you input "celtic guitar", however, lo and behold the first hit you get is Tony McManus playing a neat flatpicked reel, plus there are links to other videos featuring him.

As Kevin says, it's all down to how the uploader decides to tag the video.

But it's not only about that, it's about discovering excellent performances that other people might enjoy, which they would not normally search for.

I would not normally search out videos featuring the tin whistle, for example, but I have seen Cathal MacConnell play and I know what can be achieved on the instrument. If somebody comes across an amazing video of a tin whistle player, I would be only delighted to click on the link. Same goes for accordion, banjo, bagpipes, whatever.

Cross-fertilization, that's what it is going to be all about.

My only concern is that the recent Google acquisition of YouTube could lead to a spate of copyright lawsuits which would never have been pursued prior to the buy-out, but that is a bridge which can be crossed at the appropriate time.

Let's enjoy what we have, while we have it.

And Big Mick, I want plenty of recommendations from you !!


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 03:28 PM

My only concern is that the recent Google acquisition of YouTube could lead to a spate of copyright lawsuits which would never have been pursued prior to the buy-out, but that is a bridge which can be crossed at the appropriate time.

I should add that the concern is that videos linked to could disappear, not that Mudcat would be involved in any copyright issues.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 03:50 PM

Well, a Frapper, like the one Clinton set up for Mudcat (Do we want/need a Mudcat Frapper? )is a rather different animal. It's quite fun looking at a map showing where various Mudcatters live around the world, but it's a lot more useful being able in an instant and without any hassle to lay our hands instantly on a clip of an instrument or a performer or some type of music, and be able to share that with others.

I'd have thought that putting YouTube in the Mudcat search engine would show up all the occasions when people have mentioned the site, or talked about something they'd found there. What I was thinking was, that could be a ready way of chasing up stuff like that, and it'd mean we were half way there. But when I typed "YouTube" in, nothing turned up. And the same for "youtube".


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: GUEST,JimP
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 04:02 PM

BTW, McGrath, that song in the last video you linked is "Forever Young," a very minor 80's hit by the one-hit-wonder band Alphaville. (OK, maybe two-hit-wonder w/"Big in Japan".)

My 80's trivia fu is strong.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

But it worked well with the carnival procession though, I felt.

Thanks JimP. You can get anything you want at the Mudcat Cafe...


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:28 PM

The 'criteria' in the official thread are a load of skite....

Who decides what is "outstanding musical merit" Or " significant historical value"

When we can't even agree on what is or isn't folk music.....

So the thread is bull befor it even starts


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM

What "official thread"?


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:46 PM

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=95631&messages=1


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:52 PM

I think Clinton is referring to the thread which I have posted, with a view to establishing it as a Perma Thread, with Joe's blessing.

As I have been at pains to point out before, there is no point in simply having a massive come-all-ye of links which simply bemuse and confuse.

This thread will be a guide to performances of outstanding excellence, or historical significance.

Fewer will mean better, in this case.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 05:59 PM

define "outstanding excellence, or historical significance"

I dare you to try.....

better is also way too subjective


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 06:07 PM

I cannot define it, Clinton, but I know it when I see or hear it.

My own subjectivity will, unfortunately but inevitably, be part and parcel of the project, but since the bulk of submissions will be from people other than me, hopefully the aggregate of their individual subjectivity will result in a collective objectivity.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 06 - 06:11 PM

It's what Murray and anyone sharing the work involved decides it means. Subjective, but then, what isn't in this whole world of music and song?

Anyway, here's a link to YouTube Folkmusic Video Thread . It'll be interesting to see how it works out. Not to Clinton perhaps, but like everything else, horses for courses.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 07:07 PM

Murray, thanks for the work you have already done and will do on the Video Permathread.

I've just noticed your lists of categories on that thread & with all due respect, would like you to respond to these questions:

1. Why is dance performance not included on the Americana category when it is included in the other geographical categories? I am not thinking of videos of contemporary social dances, as these may not be considered folk dances {yet?}. However, I believe there are other American folk dances that deserve to be showcased if there are videos, including Native American dances, and Western square dances, and re-enactments if there are any of African American plantation dances such as the Cakewalk and the buck & wing.

2. Does the Americana category include non-United States music & songs {and hopefully dances}? For instance, will videos from Canada, Latin America, South America, Central America, and the Caribbean be placed in the World category or in the Americana category?

3. Why is there no Asian category and no Australian category?
I suppose videos on Middle Eastern music, song, and dance would be considered part of the Asian category, but why don't those continents have their own categories? Is it possible that you might expand to include those categories if you find that the World category is becoming too much of a catch-all?

Also, Murray, please let me and other folks who have already posted videos to go back and post the full URLs. It won't be difficult to do that.

Also, should we include information beyond the summary {such as the date the video was posted on YouTube, and who posted it there}?

And is it alright to continue to include additional information and commentary with our posts? I think this may be particularly helpful to acquaint readers with music genres, dance styles, and musical instruments which may be outside the experience of many European/Anglo-American folk.

Thanks again, Murray.

Best wishes,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 07:29 PM

Also, Murray, you wrote that " Normally, there will only be one link to any one performer, since YouTube will supply cross-references to other performances."

In the short time I've been looking for videos on YouTube, I've found that it's cross-referencing feature is rather cumbersome. I'm afraid Mudcatters will miss out on some good videos if we are limited to posting one for each artist/group.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 04:32 PM

Azizi, see my post on the permathread


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 07:11 PM

My feeling is that the most natural way people are going to put in links to clips is in individual threads, as a way of making a point in a discussion about some type of music or some song or tune or some performer. Some of them might be outstanding performances and so forth, some might just be examples that seemed relevant.

But I think it would be good to have some way of accessing these, after the thread in question has dropped out of sight. I'm not sure a permathread is the best way to do that, though I think that a permathread can have a useful role in itself.

The way this kind of thing is done on many sites, such as YouTube itself, is by having tags put in by the person putting something in, in a rough and ready and subjective way, and this works quite well.

Maybe some variant of this, but with the tags being added later, might be possible.

So you'd enter an artist's name, or a musical genre and up would come a list of vids, each one with its existing tags noted. You'd have an option to add additional tags to it if you felt it appropriate, for example referring to an accompanying instrument.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: folkwaller
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 02:20 PM

If there is selective editing it would be a wonderful idea. There is a lot of tosh on u-tube ( I say this nicely ) and it would be nice to be able to access personal requirements without to much searching.


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: Bernard
Date: 03 Nov 06 - 03:48 PM

The thread's already a done thing!


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Subject: RE: We need a YouTube Permathread.
From: sian, west wales
Date: 02 May 07 - 11:31 AM

I've just been sent this notice which might be of interest (presumably a European initiative):

Harnessing YouTube for the Arts - posted 02.5.2007

The Culture.Info portal will shortly be adding showcase.culture.info, a portal focusing on clips of performances, exhibitions and venues.

Showcase.culture.info will provide a directory of clips hosted by YouTube and around twenty other similar services from around the world.

It aims to help:
. Prospective audiences, by enabling them to view clips of what they might want to see
. Festivals and venues, by enabling them to view clips of touring performances
. Touring companies, by enabling them to view clips of possible venues
. Organisations seeking partners for joint projects, by enabling them to view clips of the work of potential partners

To date, organisations supporting the service include the Edinburgh
Festival Fringe, LIFT, IFEA Europe (festivals network) and the Voluntary Arts Network. There will be an initial announcement of showcase.culture.info at the MayFair 2 event being held at Tate Modern
on 9-10 May (see www.euclid.info for details) with a launch to follow on 1 June.

In the meantime, Culture.Info is looking for clips to add to its directory. Please email info@culture.info with either of the following:
. Your clip (up to 10MB), preferably as a compressed file
. If you already have a clip on YouTube or a similar service, just send the relevant URL

You should also include some notes about the clip - e.g. title, short description, artform, where your company is from, where you are performing and dates if relevant, etc.


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