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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 07 - 05:35 PM And here is a clip of Afghan song and dance - Farhad Darya - BabuLal - and here is a lsite about the Attan tradition represented in the clip. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 02 Feb 07 - 06:03 PM before I reply to Reggie, is it just my browser, or does anybody else have a problem with the margins on this thread ? the text is over-running the borders as far as I can see, but it might just be me ... |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Feb 07 - 06:13 PM Is your page reduced in width? (With the clicky thing up the top right of the page, next to the cross that closes the browser down.) Normally I find that, when I reduce the browser page, the lines adjust so they don't spill over, but right now that isn't happening. But if it's set on maximum, no problem. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 02 Feb 07 - 06:20 PM I have set it on maximum but the text still overruns. It's like there are no line breaks, and it is only happening on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:30 PM Kevin, I already have a link to Seamus Ennis on the bagpipe thread, which will in turn link to the video you have highlighted above. Your Afghan dance has been posted on your section, but the second link isn't a performance so won't get archived here. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:31 PM I am still having a problem with text overrunning the margins on this thread. I think it's OK now, Murray. The main thing is, if you use an HTML tag, you have to close it: But I think what caused your trouble is that you had a long, long line made with ___ instead of with a horizontal rule: -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Feb 07 - 10:53 AM but the second link isn't a performance so won't get archived here. I know it won't, but I like to put stuff in context sometimes when posting. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 03 Feb 07 - 11:46 AM On my computer screen the overrunning margin problem has vanished. Thanks for the fixing that problem Joe. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: sapper82 Date: 03 Feb 07 - 12:01 PM Stan Rogers; Farmers Song |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: sapper82 Date: 03 Feb 07 - 12:17 PM CBC Feature on the Northwest Passage with voice of Stan Rogers |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 03 Feb 07 - 02:12 PM Thank you Joe, for fixing that glitch. I will also follow up on your suggestion in the PM. Now then, Reggie. First of all I would like to point out that I did say in my previous post that we should discuss this by PM, but since you have chosen to go public, well, so be it. The fact is, I think you are almost certainly capable of much better than what that video shows. Would you say, hand on heart, that that video shows you at your best ? The fact that the song is of historical significance is not in question but that is not the point at issue. For the video to be of historical significance it would need to be a video of the original composer, or else a very early and rare performance (eg the Peter Paul and Mary performance of "The Times They are a Changing" noted above) The opening post of this thread was posted up almost four months ago. Originally I wanted to make this a thread a symposium purely and simply of superb musical performances of the music which I know, love and understand, but I was persuaded to open it up to much wider criteria. So, as far as the the African, World, McGrath categories are concerned, I just stick the links in without any judgment, because I do not consider myself qualified to make any judgment in these categories. In the other categories, however, I do consider myself qualified to make an "artistic judgment" as to whether the video should be listed or not. I hope, Reggie, that you will soon come up with a video which will display your talents to their full and I will be more than happy to include it on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Azizi Date: 03 Feb 07 - 03:42 PM Murray MacLeod, I understand that the initiator of a Mudcat Permathread has the responsiblility of maintaining that Permathread and that "maintainence" includes determining which posts he or she will retain or delete. I also understood and understand from your posts prior to Jan 26, 2007 that you had changed the statement that you had posted at one point that "All genuine recommendations will be cataloged." In addition, I recognize from reading your post of 26 Jan 07 - 06:33 PM that all videos submitted to this Permathread are suggestions, and -perhaps apart from Kevin McGrath's section-you are the sole arbiter of the musical merit and/or historical value of that performance. Murray, you wrote in your Jan 26, 2007 post that people should not be offended by the decisions you make as to which videos you include on this Permathread. I am not offended, and hope that other people are not and will not be offended by your decisions since the criteria you use is yours, and as is the case with any criteria, other people can agree or disagree with it. Furthermore, prior to your Jan 26, 2007 post and ongoing I understand "there is absolutely nothing to stop [another person] from maintaining your very own Permathread". Murray, while I understand that you have the right to decide to include or not include any personal video or any other video that anyone posts to this thread based on your judgement of that video, I believe that it would have been clearer if you had revised-and would now revise-the criteria that is articulated in your first post. That first post still leads people to believe that: "For the purposes of this thread, "folk/blues" has to be classified into several different categories, (as outlined below) in order to facilitate searches for recommendations, and I am also going to operate a "editor's recommendation " system, whereby videos of outstanding musical worth and /or historical significance, will be awarded a "star award" ranging from three to five stars. The criteria for these awards are unashamedly subjective, but the selections are always open to comment either on this thread or on the sister thread We Need a YouTube Permathread. All genuine recommendations will be catalogued, but please remember that posts on this thread are always subject to editing or deletion." -snip- Furthermore, Murray, I'm not sure what to make of the fact that there is only one video posted in the African section of your Permathread, particularly since you wrote 03 Feb 07 -02:12 PM that "So, as far as the the African, World, McGrath categories are concerned, I just stick the links in without any judgment, because I do not consider myself qualified to make any judgment in these categories." That statement seems to imply that this been only one video submitted to the African section. Yet I know that at a given point in time-before I realized your criteria for submission had changed-I submitted numerous African and "world" videos. And other people may have also submitted African videos for your consideration. Given those submissions, I can only conclude that either you are indeed using your judgement to select videos for the African section-which is fine because this-after all-is your Permathread. Or perhaps I should conclude that-with the exception of the Nina Simone video that I submitted- all of the African videos that I and perhaps others submitted to this Permathread "have unfortunately been removed by YouTube due to "terms of use" violation. Some of these were excellent videos, and it is indeed a pity that some artistes are unable to see that exposure on YouTube can only be beneficial to their careers". Again, I am not offended by what appears or does not appear on this Permathread and I sincerely hope that no one else is either. I do regret that the video links that you did not and do not accept have not been and may not be archived or saved on another thread. But, again, this is your Permathread, and is therefore maintained as you have determined it should be. Perhaps, someone or a number of people working together who have the time and skills and interest will team with you or on his,her, or their own will initiate a Permathread that will save those videos that you do not select. If so, it is my hope that that Permathread will have a broader criteria for the inclusion of submitted videos. That said, I wish you well with this Permathread, and will continue to open it to see and hear the interesting examples that you post on it. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:13 PM Pete, June & Johnny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ5gIhSIcMU&mode=related&search= |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:22 PM The Weavers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et79qsPWWfg |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:29 PM The Rankin Family http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm5XcajdFI0 |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:05 PM Mississippi John Hurt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Unj_uU9tbs |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: BanjoRay Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:14 PM Thanks Obie - the Mississippi John Hurt track was gorgeous and made even better for me by having the late great Hedy West sitting next to John in the Pete Seeger Rainbow Quest programme. You also get to hear her amazing voice at the end of the Goodnight Irene clip with the same lineup. Anyone seen a clip of the same show where she gets to lead a song? Ray |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Bromberg fan Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:20 PM Justa Picker will like this new video of David Bromberg:Red Haired Boy |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Bromberg fan Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:23 PM And this one of Bromberg doing "Wallflower":David Bromberg |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,DB fan Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:26 PM Max might like him on "Whinin' Boy Blues":http://youtube.com/watch?v=9CxVSM6FSdI He has his version of this song on his upcoming new record "Try Me One More Time." (But I'm afraid a that hoo doo!) |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 04 Feb 07 - 08:11 AM Typing "Rainbow Quest" ito the search box hits some great clips. Tom Paxton, Sonny and Brownie, John Hurt etc. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rainbow+quest&search=Search |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 04 Feb 07 - 08:15 AM Sorry, I'll try again: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rainbow+quest&search=Search |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 04 Feb 07 - 08:29 AM Hi BanjoRay, I didn't realize that was Hedy West until I read your post. I did a search on rainbow quest hoping to find her doing 500 Miles but so far no luck. Obie |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,reggie miles Date: 04 Feb 07 - 11:50 AM Murry, A wise man once told me, "Use what you got". Of course, there are certainly many circumstances in life where I would never dream of applying this guide as it can mean taking unnecessary risks. However, this philosophy has proven to be most beneficial to me and my musical pursuits on many levels. I even went so far as to include the line in a song I wrote about my midlife Chrysler. People say don't play your life away Spinnin' your wheels in those same ol' grooves I'm just usin' what I got cuz it's all I got to use I've got the 65 Newport ragtop blues This old ride of mine was funky to look with its caved in rear quarter panel and really ragged top but it served me well. Someday I hope to be able to resurrect it with a few new, or at least, better used tires, rebuild the motor, and give it a face lift with a new top, interior, paint etc but until that time... You see, not all of us have the good fortune to able to obtain the finer things in life, a new SUV or sports car, a home that is considered a showplace, the perfect guitar, the best recording gear, or in this case a video of outstanding musical worth and/or historical significance. Some of us have to make due with much less. This fact has been the source of many a blues song and will no doubt be the source of many more. There are two choices one can make in any adverse situation. One can be daunted by the difficulty of a particular circumstance or use the resources that you have at your disposal. As Azizi has pointed out this is your thread. You are in control of its content. The best of luck to you on weeding out what you consider the best and the brightest. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:31 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehro1WeHuXE&mode=related&search= John Denver, Glen Campbell (banjo), Roger Miller (Fiddle), and Johnny Cash: 'The Six Million Dollar Band' playing "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" This is a treat to see Roger Miller fiddlin'. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Shaneo Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:53 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z74ykVDtVGs&mode=related&search= The Homes Of Donegal , as sung by Died |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 04 Feb 07 - 04:35 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et79qsPWWfg&mode=related&search= The Weavers - Goodnight Irene 1949 |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 04 Feb 07 - 06:16 PM Obie already posted my last Weaver's link. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 04 Feb 07 - 06:54 PM Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Shaneo - PM Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:53 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z74ykVDtVGs&mode=related&search= The Homes Of Donegal , as sung by Diedre I assume you're " 'avin' a larf " , Shaneo ? |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 04 Feb 07 - 08:21 PM It's a shame the David Bromberg videos don't convey anything like the full force of what Bromberg delivers in a live performance. I have been hoping for months that somebody would upload something really spectacular, maybe of the Bromberg Band circa 1975, or even from the Performance Channel special he did with John Sebastian, there was some really great stuff on that. Still, better to have something than nothing. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 05 Feb 07 - 10:45 AM This neat thread may become obsolete and moot. YouTube may be going down the "tubes" In the last 2 days, 5 of the videos I had as Favorites are no longer available and the users have lost their rights to ever join YouTube again. "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation." "Long Long Time with Bobby Darin [video unavailable] 04:58" When clicking on the user that posted the video the result is: "This user account is suspended." From YouTube Help: "Why was my account suspended? Your account was suspended due to repeated or severe violation of our Terms of Use. Users with suspended or terminated accounts are prohibited from creating new accounts or accessing YouTube's community features. " There must be someway royalties can be provided so we can see these videos. Perhaps a membership fee that YouTube passes on to the copyright owners. I would gladly purchase DVDs of some of the videos if they were available. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 05 Feb 07 - 12:03 PM Copyright tips from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/t/howto_copyright |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Feb 07 - 12:12 PM Here's one that shouldn't be affected by that kind of thing. It's Emile Benoit, a Newfoundland fiddler and singer, singing an 18th Century French song, Vive la Rose - he died a few days after the record containing this came out in 1992. Here is more about Emile Benoit, and here are the words of the song, also know as "Mon ami me délaisse" (slightly different from the version Emile sings.) I know that extra stuff won't get archived, but it's good having the context in the meantime. Vive la Rose - the song is used here as background to some rather charming family photos of a visit to Newfoundland and a family reunion. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Feb 07 - 12:41 PM Here's one that shouldn't be affected by that kind of thing. Emile Benoit was a Newfoundland fiddler and singer, and here he is singing an 18th Century French song, Vive la Rose. He died a few days after the record containing this came out in 1992. Here is more about Emile Benoit, and here are the words of the song, also know as "Mon ami me délaisse" (slightly different from the version Emile sings.) I know that extra stuff won't get archived, but it's good having the context in the meantime. So herer is Emile singing Vive la Rose - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4uLc2PmB0o - the song is used here as background to some rather charming family photos of a visit to Newfoundland and a family reunion. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Shaneo Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:01 PM Murry ,that's the way I read the credit for the singer, I thought it strange too. Great song and very well sung though. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Cruiser Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:09 PM From the YouTube Link: Traditional Irish Song Performed By Diedre ... (more) The melody is the same as "The Wind That Shakes the Corn" |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 05 Feb 07 - 03:07 PM Shaneo, I am not denying Diedre's ability as a singer, but do you think her rendition of this song belongs in this symposium ? I would say she belongs to the Daniel O'Donnell, Foster and Allen, and Dana school of Irish singing, "good" singers all of them , but imo they don't belong in here alongside Paul Brady and Andy Irvine. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Shaneo Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:57 PM Murry I put the link there because it was the fastest up-loading video of 'The Homes Of Donegal' there is another one there of Paul Brady but it's too slow up-loading , head wrecking for dial up connections, still it gives an idea of how the song could be played even in waltz time like Diedre's version. Yes, it's a more country music version and maybe doesn't belong here. I will endeavor to try harder in future [smile] |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Shaneo Date: 06 Feb 07 - 01:15 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLth5u1uuM0 Sinade O'Conner sings , Ore Se Do Bheatha Bhaile ,Words and music by Padraic Pearce 1914 |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Rev Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:15 PM Here's a fun one. It's an old TV advertisement for Ballentine Brewer's Gold Ale Which uses the melody to the favorite old sea chantey "New York Girls" aka "Can't you Dance the Polka." |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,John Robinson Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:25 PM Mmmm, looks like this thread may be losing it's way but, in the spririt of the original posting: Main category: Contemporary Secondary category: Guitar Description: Julie Ellison Live In Concert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsWguw5V5A |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,Obie Date: 08 Feb 07 - 09:01 PM Ryan's Fancy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NKXcQpA2xk |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,meself Date: 08 Feb 07 - 09:34 PM Thanks, Obie. Boy, it sure would be good to see some clips of the Ryan's Fancy TV show ... |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:00 PM Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,John Robinson - PM Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:25 PM Mmmm, looks like this thread may be losing it's way... Care to expand on that John ? It's not losing its way as far as I am concerned,I know exactly where it's heading. It's not heading in the direction of being a vehicle for every wannabe seeking a bit of free publicity, if that is your gripe . It will become, and remain, what it was in my original concept, an archive of outstanding performances in the folk/blues idiom. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,machree01 Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:08 PM Murray, Thanks for the Complementary on the song Grace sung by Anthony Kearns,in the {Irish section} I put it all togather about 5 years ago,the song was taken from a concert televised on RTE. Plunkett also had tuberculosis at the time, he married Grace just hours before he was executed in front of a firing squad in Kilmainham Gaol. Thanks Again. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:10 PM machree01, you did a great job. Thank you |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:47 PM I have decided that there should be three more categories in this thread. I was quite entranced by Guest Rev's 1950's ad for Brewer's Gold Ale, and it undoubtedly has some historical significance, but could hardly be classed as an outstanding performance, so I am creating a " Quirky Unclassifiable " category for gems such as these. Also, it is obvious that come what may , people will continue to put up links to their own, or their friends' performances, irrespective of the artistic merit of the performance, so there will be another category headed "Self- Publicising" into which these videos will go. Finally, there should definitely be a category for Mudcatters' own videos. Watch this space ... |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Bill D Date: 09 Feb 07 - 03:28 PM I just watched Seamus Ennis playing a reel , and it's worth it just to see his fingers!....I don't believe I've ever seen longer ones! |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: GUEST,John Robinson Date: 09 Feb 07 - 05:51 PM Murray, as I understood it you wanted folks to post not only the link but also a brief description of the content and some suggestions as to appropriate classifications. I noted that many posts were simply links, with no background information to help. I suspected that this was causing you more work. I also noticed that there was a lot of discussion of the links, which I initially thought was not what you wanted to see here in this thread. I now note that since you are involved in some of those discussions I probably misunderstood. In summary I thought folks might be creating more work for you by ont following the guidelines that you appeared to lay out clearly in your initial post. That is all. Once again I find myself astounded at a reaction to a simple post here on mudcat. Having come across this kind of reaction before I had cut back on posting here and stopped using a permathread I had been given for "promotional purposes". I was uncertain about returning here to post anything linked to my business activities. It looks like my reservations were based on firm foundations and that I clearly made an error coming back here. I will make it clear right here and now that I will never make this mistake again. Please feel free to delete my post. |
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Subject: RE: YouTube Folkmusic Video PermaThread From: Murray MacLeod Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:17 PM John, the original purpose in my setting up this Permathread was to establish an archive of outstanding performances in the folk/blues field. That was back in October 2006. Since that date , this thread has been inundated with links to videos from every wannabe in the business, and I do not intend to put up links to every suggestion that wafts through the ether onto this thread. The "original post" will be edited accordingly. |
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