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Subject: BS: What is Soulcake
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 05:53 AM

Is there a recipe


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 06:23 AM

scro down and you'll find a recipe

(by 'scro' I meant 'scroll')


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 06:42 AM

thank you


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 06:58 AM

For a minute there, I thought you were getting far too personal...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cakes

:0)

Moving right along, I'd never heard of this term & custom until your question prompted me to look up the information. Here's what I found out:

"How to make soul cake:
Soul Cakes are an echo of the sacrificial foods of the Celtic festival of Samhain held in early autumn. These little cakes were traditionally set out with glasses of wine on All Hallows Eve (31st October) for the souls of the dead. On All Saints Day (1st November) children would go "souling" calling out "Soul, Soul, for a Soul Cake: pray you good mistress, a soul cake".


Ingredients

3/4 cup butter
3/4 cup caster/superfine sugar
4 cups plain flour, sifted
3 egg yolks
1 teaspoon mixed spice
1 teaspoon allspice
3 tablespoons currants
a little milk

Method

- Cream the butter and sugar together until pale in colour and fluffy in texture.
- Beat in the egg yolks.
- Fold in the sifted flour and spices.
- Stir in the currants.
- Add enough milk to make a soft dough.
- Form into flat cakes and mark each top with a cross.
- Bake on a well-greased baking tray in a hot oven until golden."


http://www.greenchronicle.com/recipes/soul_cake_recipe.htm


-snip-

Fwiw, the picture shown on this page reminds me of Tastykake Krimpets


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Azizi
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 07:22 AM

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/year/november.htm has a lot of information on the custom of 'souling" under its entry for November 2nd {All Soul's Day}.

Here's an excerpt from that entry:

"Before the Reformation, it was customary for poor Christains to offer prayers for the dead in return for money or food {soul cakes} from their wealthier neighbors.

"During the 19 abd [sic] 20th century, children would go "souling"-rather like carol singing-requesting alms and soul cakes

A soul, a soul, a soul cake
Please good missus a soul cake
An apple, a pear, a plum or a cherry
Any good thing to make us merry
Up with your kettles and down with your pans
Give us an answer and we'll be gone
Little Jack, Jack sat on his gate
Crying for butter, to butter his cake
One for St. Peter, and two for St. Paul
Three for the man who made us all.

The 'soulers' would go around the houses singing this song and often joined by their old friend the hobby horse- only atthis time of year he is called the Hooden Horse.

-snip-

I can understand the writer's reference to 'souling' being similar to caroling. However, imo, a closer comparison could have been made to the the Halloween custom "trick or treat".

Unfortunately, in some urban neighborhoods the custom of going door to door trick or treating is dying out because of safety issues. Dressing up in customs for Halloween and going trick or treating is also opposed by some Christains for religious reasons. Some public schools, for instance, have "Harvest Day" or some such innocuous substitution on Oct 31st instead of Halloween. In the USA, November 2nd is not noted as a special day at all by non-Catholics.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 09:14 AM

Hot diggity! Harvest Festivals! Gotta be sure those fields will be fertile come Spring, and You Know What That Means! Yessir! Gotta sacrifice a child and then go make another one or six! Got to ol' sickle all sharpened up, too!













...sure would be nice if folks would do a little research instead of simply making stupid assumptions....


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 10:18 AM

It's a spelling problem actually. The word is SOLEcake, one of the many cakes made of various fish by mincing the leftover parts after the filets and steaks are cut. Solecake is popular as is Hakecake. Although it seems to be by random chance that it ever comes out right, the Flukecake is quite tasty when it does. Musicians generally prefer the Tunacake although some males like the Basscake better. I personally love the Floundercakes but they tend not to rise well and can be pretty flat.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 11:23 AM

I this scarry, dangerous mick taking or the living tradition?

(For the academic reference see Dwile Flonking 1961)


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 12:56 PM

"I this scarry, dangerous mick taking or the living tradition?"

Sorry. I speak ony English. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Gurney
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 12:52 AM

Ony English?


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: KT
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 01:54 AM

giggle


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 03:16 AM

Fair enough!

Catspaw had taken us from Soulcake to Solecake, I guess in a light hearted way?

Sometime in the 1960s, I think, a competition called Dwileflonking or Dwile Flonking appeared at Folk Festivals in England. Teams of people through beer soaked rags at each other. I don't think many people really took it seriously but it had some of the trappings of a "tradition" and passers buy would no doubt be confused in to thinking it was very old.

Anybody know its origin?


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Michael
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 08:03 AM

'Teams of people through beer soaked rags' - Like ghosts through walls?
Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 10:04 AM

'Spaw, by all means post a recipe for your SoleCake or other fishcakes. My husband brought home 25 pounds of fresh Wahoo on sunday. (it was his reward for helping a friend onload his oat after a deep sea fishing trip.), Then if any children come by tonight, I can hand them erzatz solecakes. (Wahoo is a white meat fish, far nicer than sole, but I haven't any Sole on hand.)

;-)

Actually, Trick or treating is not very big in my neighborhood. Day of the Dead on the other hand - VERY BIG.

Note to self - keep Inky the Cat INSIDE after dark. Local legend states that Black Cats can suffer abuse on Halloween. Don't know if it's true or not. Inky is a feral cat who lives under our house (like a troll I suppose) and he permits us to feed him, shelter him when it rains and cuddle him when it's cold or when he's bored.

Local Animal shelters have banned all Black Cat adoptions until next week because they are afraid those dread satanists will sacrifice them to their dark lord. Does this sort of thing go on in the UK? (The seasonal banning of Black cat adoptions - not satanists offering them up to Lucifer.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Snuffy
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 10:41 AM

You can't do it here - that's why Madonna had to go to Africa


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 12:11 PM

Snuffy, for what it's worth, I find your comment to be highly offensive.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Snuffy
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 12:16 PM

Sorry, Azizi, it's Madonna's actions that I find offensive.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 06:44 PM

Snuffy. I choose to put aside my reaction to your 31 Oct 06 - 10:41 AM post. I also choose not to comment on Madonna's adoption of a child from Malawi.

Instead, in the spirit of this time, I choose to quote Tig's 31 Oct 06 - 05:53 PM post in the thread on Samhain:

"Blessed be to those friends who have gone before, those who we know now and those we are yet to meet. Let us wish the New Year brings comfort, happiness and hope to all".


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Snuffy
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 07:22 PM

Amen


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 12:17 AM

This was the actual post that was referred to in another thread. We were told by Guest-Topsie to "scroll down." It's easier to link directly to it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Gurney
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:11 AM

As it was Allhallows Eve here when the recipe was posted, Her Indoors and I thought it was a good time to try out the said confection.

No wonder they used to give it away to unsuspecting beggers. Perhaps we slipped up somehow.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:43 AM

My black cat Inky came in with a bloody head a few moments ago but I sincerely doubt it was Halloween revelers to blame. He has an evil arch-nemsis named Clark, a nasty striped cat from the next block who most likely tore him up. Poor Inks. I patched him up and gave him some salmon not having any solecakes around. Hopefully he'll stay inside until morning. It's quarter to 2 Am here but people are still making noise outside.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 05:00 AM

As the guest who started the thread, I must say thanks again. We sat last night beside the fire by candlelight and my daughter followed the recipe in STS and Topsie's link. They were delicious.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 23 Oct 07 - 01:09 AM

So did anyone make this last year after the recipe was posted? I started out with the intention of making the soulcake recipe posted in this thread (not "spaw's solecakes!) and then got carried away prettying up the recipe to make it taste better and they came out more like very eggy spiced teacakes.

I'm going to try again this year but I just can't bear to waste good food by making something unpalatable. Would it be such a crime against tradition to use wholewheat flour and switch out the currants for sultanas?

Also - what is the "Mixed Spice" called for in the posted recipe - I presume this is what we usually call Pumpkin Pie Spice in the states - a blend of Cinnamon, Mace, Ginger and cloves.

Oddly enough, I will be getting another 20 pounds of Wahoo at the end of the week so if I wanted to make fishcakes I could! (See Catspaw's joke farther up)


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Oct 07 - 05:46 AM

Explanation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_spice


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: GUEST,Harp Guitar
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 05:20 AM

As I understand it ,the spelling should be SOAL as in "A SOALING".A "soal" being a song which was sung for cake,ale wine or any other means of sustenance.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Arnie
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 05:40 AM

HG - that's an interesting hypothesis. I've never seen the word SOAL before so have done the usual Google search - no trace linking the word to song. Languages & linguistics interest me so I'd be grateful if you could tell me where this interpretation originated. Wassail!

Arnie


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: GUEST,Dick
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:28 AM

Soul: taken from the time of the year when all this lunacy is about - All Souls, the period immediately after Halloween.

Dick (and all his men)


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 08:33 AM

I vaguely remember a horror movie based on soul cakes. A tiny charm (or baby) was baked into a cake. The child who got that cake was the king or queen for that year and the sacrifice for the following.
Any truth to the charm baked into the cake, like King's Cake in New Orleans?
As children we always had a Halloween cake with charms baked into it. Each charm symbolized your future - a ring and you would be married, a coin and you would be rich, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 04:08 PM

Or need a cracked tooth repaired. Ouch!


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 06:12 PM

You do realise that most mondegreen prone listeners (such as me) will only ever hear

Arsehole, arsehole, arsehole cake
Please good missus arsehole cake

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: What is Soulcake
From: John J
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 06:39 PM

Hello Dave!

JJ


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