BS: Saddam sentenced to death

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:22 PM

Peace

(What possessed you to choose that name?)

Gosh You really are avoiding my question.

I think I've touched a nerve.

I can feel your hate from here.

Do you think I did that to those people?

Get a grip before you damage your computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:26 PM

Lets see...

Saddam is convicted of killin' 144 and get the noose...

Hmmmmmmm? I've got the Wes Ginny Slide Rule workin' on what Bush could get for 650,000...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:30 PM

"I have very little to say to you"

you began eloquently enough -

what was it you said?

ah yes: - "Fuck you"

Now I remember.

And as you said "I don't know who the hell you are, Lox"

You are both defensive and aggressive to the extreme.

try counting to ten.

...

ok - five then

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:36 PM

"Fuck you and the mention of bravado"

It's like saying:

Call me violent again and I'll kick your head in!

or

Saddams a murderer kill him (though don't ask me to do it)

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:38 PM

Suck rocks, Lox.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:40 PM

"downright hypocrisy"--OK, Lox--would you imply that this sentence is not one the Iraqis would themselves have reached--with no Western participation in the trial? Evidence please.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Desdemona
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:42 PM

Please understand that I have no wish to argue, either...and I can certainly relate to the anger and outrage anyone must feel at the wanton cruelty this man inflicted on innocent people (his own, amongst others). But I must freely confess to having no idea what would constitute the "best" or "right" or most "just" action in these situations; I suppose I should be grateful not to be in the position to have to decide.

~D

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM

I wouldn't know how.

Go on, go back down to the corner and shout at traffic for a while - or do you prefer running after it and barking.

seeya "piece"

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM

I hear you on that, Desdemona.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM

(to suck rocks)

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Emma B
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:50 PM

I'm opposed to capital punishment in any instance but, could I pull the trigger to prevent an actual murder? quite possibly I suppose.

I think all right thinking people should be respected for "righteous anger" but cold blooded revenge is outside my "understanding"

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:56 PM

Sorry all you others,

must seem strange to you all as well that "peace + love" here should suddenly start foaming at the mouth like that.

My initial post was expresssive of a point of view that in the context of this thread is fair, as controversial an issue as it might be.

I have as much right to express my views here as "peace" and quite frankly he can kiss my arse if he thinks he can go round insulting people at random.

Here's the challenge - see if you can find why?

Methinks the barbarian in you has been unearthed "piecemeal"

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:58 PM

Me thinks you are a twit, Lox. You were initially abusive, and you seem not to like having it returned. Be nice with me and you get nice back.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:00 PM

"Sorry all you others"

Do you really think the 'all you others' are your audience, Lox? Sheesh. Where IS your head at?

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:00 PM

"You were initially abusive"

Copy it and paste it and refer us to it

"Me thinks you are a twit"

it's "I think"

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:01 PM

Yes, it is, and you should try it soon. You might like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:01 PM

No peace

I'm apologizing to those who would otherwise be able to carry onwith the thread without this interruption.

You really need to invest in an education.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:02 PM

"You were initially abusive"

Copy it and paste it and refer us to it

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:07 PM

I don't really think you are worth speaking with, Lox. Have a nice evening.

PS Your reference to education is snobbish. But then you tend to 'come off' that way. Too bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:13 PM

" "You were initially abusive"

Copy it and paste it and refer us to it "

I'll do it for you then.



I posted this


"You shoot him then ...


I mean really - enough with the gung ho and the righteous bravado.

You go and put a gun to his head and do it.

Try and imagine the reality of that for a second.

Barbarism is barbarism. "


Then you responded with this.



""You shoot him then ...


Would you have shot him when he gave the order to gas the Kurds? Fuck you and the mention of bravado. It's got nothing to do with anything. "


Peace.

Your Pious morality is about as believable as saddams plea's of innocence.

Got it?

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:15 PM

Lox, have a nice evening and try to get some rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:29 PM

What I found offensive Lox was the suggestion that the killing of Saddam Hussein could be equated to the slaughters he performed. I am sorry you see those two things as being equally barbaric--either that or I have misunderstood you. .

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:36 PM

"I am sorry you see those two things as being equally barbaric"


... NEARLY ...

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM

While the lox/peace war rages the Wes Ginny Slide Rule continues to work on what should become of George Bush, who made a political decision to invade Iraq in order to keep his party in power...

Let's get real here, folks...

650,000 to 144+ an' the 144+ guy is going to be hanged???

What about the 650,000 guy's punishment???

Oh, nevermind... His daddy would step in and save the boy yet again...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:42 PM

Then what WOULD be a fitting punishment for Saddam Hussein?

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Lox
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:44 PM

A sex change ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:55 PM

LOL

Ya got me on that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:58 PM

No... Lock both of the sumabitches (Saddam and Bush)in the same cell until they both die of old age.... That is the fitting thing to do...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:13 PM

Or give them a choice of knives or six shooters. That's how the two of them should have handled it in the first place. Then a lot of other lives could have been spared.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 09:30 PM

Yes, Saddam is a beast but Saddam got his power from the U.S.

They gave him the chemicals and the military might.

The present government may not be a U.S. puppet government but, in fact, they are the enemies of Saddam. If he had been tried by a jury of his peers, would they condemn him?   

To be fair, Saddam should have been tried by an international court for crimes against humanity.

Bush deserves the same consideration.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:29 PM

So what did the 72 virgins do to deserve to be sex slaves of Saddam?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 12:05 AM

Voted Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:29 AM

What they should with him:-

One day you serve him up a couple of hot steaming turds on a plate.

You say eat those, and if you do that every day for five years - you can go free.

Trust me on this one, I had a job with exactly those terms and conditions - and I promise you - he won't like it. After about two years, you wake up every morning wondering if today's the day you'll do yourself in.

After five years, you say well done! We extended your contract.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:51 AM

dianavan - 06 Nov 06 - 09:30 PM

"Yes, Saddam is a beast but Saddam got his power from the U.S."

No HE did not! Saddam Hussein took over control of the B'aathist Party and the Presidency of Iraq in a coup in 1979. The cleansing of the Party faithful was extreme and barbaric. 1979 dianavan was about 12 years after Iraq had severed diplomatic relations with the US as a result of US support for Israel during the "Six-Day" War

"They (The US) gave him the chemicals and the military might."

No THEY did not! US sale of military hardware (using that term in its broadest context) amounted to less than 0.41% of total arms sold to Iraq. Iraq's largest supplier of military hardware was Russia (61%) followed by France (19%)in the period between the Iran/Iraq War and Desert Storm.

"The present government may not be a U.S. puppet government but, in fact, they are the enemies of Saddam. If he had been tried by a jury of his peers, would they condemn him?"

I would love to know what you would consider to be "a jury of his peers".   

"To be fair, Saddam should have been tried by an international court for crimes against humanity."

Saddam's crimes were committed against his own people, therefore it was up to them to try him. They have and found him "Guilty" and they have sentenced him to hang. The reason he MUST die at the hands of due Iraqi legal process is to assure the Iraqi people that after his execution there is absolutely no prospect of him returning to power - He must die and he must be seen to die.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:28 AM

I thought the same about Thatcher, but we didn't kill her.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:45 AM

The fact remains that killing Saddam can only be considered an act of revenge, it achieves nothing, he should be locked up for the rest of his life, to think about the things he has done.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:03 PM

It's a lose/lose situation. If he's in jail it's motivation for terrorists to spring him by holding others hostage. If executed he becomes a martyr and others may try to avenge his death.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 01:20 PM

Atta boy, T-Bird. What about 1980-1988?

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Barry Finn
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:38 PM

I do agree that the West should not be involved & that his trail should've been held in the country where the cime took place be the citizens of that nation & be held when the people of that country finally & truely are in position to rule themselves. I'm against the death penatly no matter what. The UN (I believe it was the UN) in the past has used prisons that are manned, operated & guarded by an international presence to contain people carrying a life sentence for crimes against humanity. If it were to be held in this nation as it was then the present US administration should also be on trail as co-conspirators as well as any others involved in knowingly selling the weapons used & knowing what they were being used for, unless they objected & tried to prevent this crime against humanity from happening. If they knew & weren't activily involved they should be summoned as key witnesses & the world should be privy to the whole of the trial. With the death of the Sadman away goes any futher chance of linking any officals to what really happened & it all goes under the rug & will be looked upon as a 'CLEAN & DEAD' issue which it's not. This whole issue is part of our present war & history shouldn't be written so quickly while it's still in the making. Let's write history when it finally becomes history & not put the cart before the Ass.

Barry
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:46 AM

Greg F. - 07 Nov 06 - 01:20 PM

"Atta boy, T-Bird. What about 1980-1988?"

Teribus - US sale of military hardware (using that term in its broadest context) amounted to less than 0.41% of total arms sold to Iraq. Iraq's largest supplier of military hardware was Russia (61%) followed by France (19%) in the period between the Iran/Iraq War and Desert Storm.

Apologies if that is not clear enough the period described includes the Iran/Iraq War. In the period 1980 to 1990 Iraq was the largest importer of military hardware, less than one half of one percent of what Iraq bought/traded/were given was supplied by the United States of America, hardly what could be described as a substantial contribution, compared to what Russia and France gave Iraq for favourable oil concessions.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Peace
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:11 AM

From washingtonpost.com

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup
Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds

By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 30, 2002; Page A01

"A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses against the "human wave" attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague."

Full story here.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Stu
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:10 AM

Judicial murder is just that, whoever is handing out the sentence.

The fact is, the US is involved in this trial right up to it's hairy little nuts.

We now know that Donald Rumsfeld, the hawkish, squinting playground bully of GWB's gang offered Saddam the chance to avoid trial if the went on TV and asked all his buddies to stop fighting and make life easier for US forces occupying Iraq. Unsuprisingly, Saddam refused and the trial was allowed to go ahead by the US. Although the exact details of this story are vague, it is clear some sort of deal was being brokered by the US with various insurgent factions to arrange a ceasefire and allow Saddam leniency when sentenced - which doesn't give much credence to the notion of an independent Iraqi court putting Saddam on trial.

Of course, the fact the sentence was passed a couple of days before important elections in the US is just coincidence. The fact the television feed is supplied by a US contractor who routinely edits the sound and video means nothing.

The real problem here is the people in charge (the US) always wanted to execute Saddam, and so that's what was always going to happen. Unfortuately, as we know the US's own record on the death penalty is somewhat marked by the fact they have killed minors and mentally ill people in their own execution chambers previously and that GWB himself killed many people whilst Govenor of Texas - no case there for moral leadership then.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:25 AM

Hanging?

From a cartoonist point of view there should be a punishment to fit the crime.

How about a wood chipper with the vent pointed at the crowd.
How cool for Bush and Cheney to be splattered in Victory.

Maybe a televised torture to death mini series. OR a realty game show where Saddam has to answer multiple choice questions to avoid certain tortures.

A good old fashioned Czar execution with every family member included in the carnage seems rash but we already have a good start with his sons already dead.

Death by a thousand cuts, Lines of Iraqis all get a turn to cut him with a teeny shick razor blade on a long stick.

Death by Ann Coulter. Let her go crazy on his ass.

Death at the hands of George W Bush himself.

other possibilities are too shocking for print.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:58 PM

Manuel Noriega of Panama was only put in an Indiana prison.
W needs to outdo his dad.

Is it too much to ask to get the live Iraqi/US contractor feed of the hanging?

I can editorialize the death penalty we put upon foreign leaders in animation but it is a long list we are dealing with here.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:00 PM

aside from the issue of whether he deserves it (which he does)
by all accounts it was a kangaroo court.
(the cbc radio journal 'as it happens' interviewed one of his defense lawyers and
many of their motions were just rejected out of hand with no legal reasons- ie. 'the judge does not want your papers' Imagine that happening in the US. This is the democracy the US imposed on IRaq?

and of course they only picked some relatively small issue to try him on. Otherwise too many embarrasing facts for the US might arise.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:08 PM

The entire trial should be done in a Shakespereian style.

In fact much of the events are taken from the Bard's own words
such as "first kill all the lawyers!"

Well they did kill at least 5 that I know of.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:57 AM

"The fact remains that killing Saddam can only be considered an act of revenge"

Yup. What's wrong with revenge? Tastes very, very sweet. If he'd raped and killed your five year-old daughter, would you pat him on the head and say "I forgive you"? Of course not, you'd want his balls on a plate - i.e. revenge!

Ordinarily, I'd say "hang the bastard", but not on this occasion. My objection to hanging him has nothing to do with disliking revenge - it's simply that, by hanging him, another martyr will be created for Muslim loonies to use as an excuse to kill and maim innocent people. And throwing him in the nick to 'think about what he's done' won't make him change his ideas one iota - he **knows** he's done nothing wrong - but it will keep him from harming anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:33 AM

Good point Strollin' I think I shall have to agree with you.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:58 AM

I'm very much in favour of the Ceaucescu solution when a tyrant is brought down. My reasoning is simple: It usually saves a lot of lives.

After the Ceaucescu moment is gone I'm in favour of a trial without the possibility of death penalty as hard as it is for the survivors.

I disagree with the argument that killing him makes him a martyr for a simple reason: A life penalty in jail may have the same result but only stronger so. I can hear already the chants: Free Saddam. And the monthly reports from his lawyers that he is not treated well. That may be a lie or not, it will have the intentioned effect:

FREE SADDAM HUSSEIN (one could even (ab)use the well known Mandela tune)

Three and twenty years in a lonely prison cell
no one to love no one to talk, his life a living Hell...
(you'd hear your children whistling that tune)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Saddam sentenced to death
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 11:32 PM

Anybody who thinks this trial was manipulated by the US is invited to tell us what he thinks the verdict would be without any Western interference. And with some logic, please.