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Subject: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Fiolar Date: 06 Nov 06 - 09:23 AM After being banned in the majority of cinemas in the UK, the DVD of the Ken Loach film "The Wind That Shakes the Barley" has been released today November 6th. When I got my copy, I didn't see any protestors outside the store. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: jeffp Date: 06 Nov 06 - 09:49 AM Will it be released in the US? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:10 AM Was there really a ban, or just a lack of interest? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Big Al Whittle Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:12 AM It works out like a ban - theres all sorts of good films you never get to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Snuffy Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:13 AM And Theakston's Old Peculier is banned from the vast majority of English pubs |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: GUEST Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:22 AM Why is that Snuffy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Dave the Gnome Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:43 AM Would you care either give us some evidence of this ban or change your phraseology, Fiolar? Thanks in advance DtG (Who already has the DVD btw) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Peace Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:46 AM I have it, too. Sent to me by a good friend in Ireland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Nov 06 - 03:55 PM Cinemas are commercial enterprises. The management give not a stuff for politics, only about getting the punters in. This film would have a very limited audience. As with special beers, you have to find a specialist outlet. To call that a ban is just silly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Big Al Whittle Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:04 PM No its not. If you go the cinema often enough you will see many inconsistencies. Quite often you go to some Hollywoood blockbuster hyped up load of tripe, and find the place empty - particularly in afternoons. Many English films are not shown at all, or if they are on - maybe they play for one night - totally unpublicised, unreviewed by the local papers - but THAT is the fault of the cinema. this is the treatment meted out to relative big hitters on the English scene like Mike Leigh and Ken Loach and Shane meadows. It simply isn't good enough. We produce some of the best films being made in the world in this country - and its a bloody shame. English people like to hear their own language and sense of humour - when a little of effort goes into marketing - as in the recent case of the history boys - there are plenty of takers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Snuffy Date: 06 Nov 06 - 07:15 PM But it isn't a ban. It's just people who aren't very good at their job making crap commercial decisions and getting it wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:00 AM Who stars in 'Many Inconsistences' then WLD? :-) And it was NOT a ban. If it was a ban you would not have been able to see it anywhere. As it was, it was showing at lots of cinemas - Just not at the mainstream ones. It was on near me - just not at the closest one. From what I hear it was the same everywhere. The point is that Fiolar has stated it was a ban and people have tried to correct that falsehood. If you want to get into a discussion on what is good and bad at the flicks then feel free but please try to get the facts right. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:24 AM Well Life is Sweet played for one night at our UCI. It starred Jim Broadbent, Claire Skinner, Jane Horrocks, Alison Steadman, and Timothy Spall. Directed by Mike Leigh. It was one of the best films about English life I have ever seen. It is a ban, because the decision to prevent people from getting access to their own culture is political in essence. If they experience quality - they won't be satisfied with shit, which is so much easier to produce and market. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 06 - 05:46 AM I certainly agree that a ban prevents people from getting access to it. No-one has prevented access to this film. I repeat - It was on in cinemas all over the country. Just not in the popular ones. By your definition of a ban there are loads of other films that are banned as well. A ban by everyone elses definition is a prohibition by law. This was simply not the case here. Snuffy summed it up best earlier with his beer analogy - Saying this was a ban is simply not true. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:41 AM It is a ban. Its the way capitalists maximise their profits, and they do it by banning in a very very subtle way. A friend of mine had a minor hit - lower half of top twenty, but with a cult following on the big Can't Bloody Sing label. So all her mates like me, went round to the record shops at the time of the follow up and ordered copies for our friends - as a little gesture of support. ALL the record shops said the song was unobtainable. one record company rep told the shop - you can have it, if you take 25 copies of the new Adam Ant. This is the way they cut down on diversity. In this way they can market more crudely, more effectively. Just because they don't have prison guards and concentration camps - doesn't mean its not a ban. If you had been a musician or working artist, you would know - its a ban. You see what they let you see, you hear what they let your hear. This way its cheaper than running the SS or the GPU. Its a ban. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:30 AM OK WLD - It's a ban. If it makes you happy I'll write to the OED and tell them they have got it wrong. A ban is nothing to do with the government. It has nothing to do with the law. It is all a capitalist conspiracy. That being sorted out what are we going to do about the ban on 20 year old rock chicks at our folk club? What are we going to do about the ban on my home movies at the local Odeon? What do we do about the ban on pork pies at Jewish weddings? Damn disgusting what they do nowadays. BTW - I am a musician and a working artist. Perhaps if you had been prepared to go out of your way to see the film when it was on, you would know:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:33 AM Another BTW - What does 'banning it in a very subtle way' mean? Surely something is either banned or not. If we can figure that one out perhaps, when my time comes, I can die in a very subtle way? So subtle that no-one notices maybe? :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:15 AM If someones got the power to restrict your freedom - it doesn't have to be the government or the law. the smarter despots don't need to record or codify their acts of supression. As I've said before on mudcat, I'm getting to an age now where it I'm seeing my contemporaries die - many of them without being booked for a major festival or having their records played once on Radio 2's folk programme. On their behalf, it really pisses me off that their music was banned all their lifetime, because some of it was a damn sight better than the stuff thats getting played whenever i have the misfortune to listen. Most of my career I worked outside folk music - so for me personally, it was no big deal. But I've seen SO many people who devoted their lives to the folkscene just roundly ignored. all right its not a ban. Its still a bloody pity that the untramelled power to sell dogshit to plebs stalks the land, and we're here arguing about the semantics of the situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Fiolar Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:27 AM Jeffp: It will probably be available in the States. Try Amazon. Let's not get too pedantic about the use of the word "ban". A decision was made by a number of Cinema chains not to show the film. Whether that was because they felt that the attendances would be poor or whether they were motivated by other reasons is irrelevant. I have no wish to get into arguement about the finer meanings of words which are used every day, perhaps rightly or wrongly. The meanings of words change all the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:38 AM Agree absolutely WLD. More so with music than film - We all know that live Folk music is not expressly banned in most pubs (Licencisng act notwithstanding!) but how many actualy have it on? It is far easier for them to have the noise box turned up to such a level that you cannot talk and therefore drink quicker. I have agreed with most of your other points. The only stumbling block was the use of the word 'ban'. Pedantic maybe but important because it was unwarranted in this instance and, IMO, used to covertly stir anti-English feelings. I will happily agree that the film was good, though not as good as some say I thought, and should have been marketed to wider audience. But it wasn't. Whether that was a mistake on the part of the big chains or on the part of the distributers I do not know. Mistakes are made all the time by lots of people. Some of the dross that gets to the big screen should never have seen light of day and some classic celluloid footage gets less exposure than 'The Wind' did. It's the way of the world unfortunately. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: jeffp Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:57 AM It doesn't seem to have been release to the US as of yet. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks, Fiolar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Nov 06 - 11:41 AM It was an important film, because it was by an English director trying to open a dialogue in a country where the voice of Sinn Fein was banned up to a few years ago. Historically, they will look at films like this and Michael Collins and try to work out where the ordinary folks stood. many Americans are genuinely puzzled at how at situation like that could ever occurr in a country like ours with liberal traditions. But happen, it did. I thought it was a pretty fair film - well acted, some attempts at even handedness. Irish politics, like politics everywhere are a complicated business - and I thought the attempts to face up to the many victims of the violence were possibly a bit draining of the passion that characterises the best of his work. How ever you cut it, it could have got quite a few more people in to see it, if they had talked it up a bit more. And given people more opportunity to see it. Furthermore we would not have been the worse for more of our population having seen it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Release of DVD 'The Wind That Shakes the From: Bunnahabhain Date: 07 Nov 06 - 11:50 AM There's another factor in play here. A film is, for the time being, shown on the screen using a physical copy of the film, a print. These cost money to make. The big hollywood blockbuster that's virtually empty in the afternoon can be shown because the cinema has the print here, for the weekend when it will be full. Showing it again has only relativley small marginal costs. To get a copy of 'The wind that shakes the barley', or various interesting forign films would cost a similar amount, but the managers don't think they will get the big audiences to pay for them. It will be intersting to see if in a decade or so, when most cinemas will have switched to digital projection, if there are more limited market films shown, as it will be easier and cheaper for the cinema to get a copy of them. Of course, even if they do, I'm sure there will be some people getting annoyed at the 'ban' because they're showing the political film in the afternoon, and giving the saturday night screens over to ' Exploding Helicopters and Gratuitious Bikini's 4', or whaterver pap Hollywood is offering... |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: GUEST,Rathingle Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:56 AM The Wind That Shakes The Barley was out on D.V.D in Ireland [bootleg] at the same time it was showing at the cinema in Ireland. These bootleg D.V.Ds. are coming to Ireland from China and can be bought for 5 euro . Any film can be got this way while it's still been shown at the cinema , but it does not seem to be having a negative affect at the box-office |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:26 PM Ever since cinemas were shifted out to the edge of the known Universe, and I have to drive to get there, I've gradually stopped using them. It also doesn't help that most of these 'multiplexes' seem to be full of uncouth yobs either. If I really want to see a film I rent it on DVD and watch it in the comfort of my own living room. If it's worth watching more than once (and so few are) I might buy it after it's discounted in my local Woolies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Nickhere Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:48 PM Following this thread, thought I'd add a comment or two: 1) I don't think the film was 'banned' as such in the UK, but certainly a large number of cinemas chose not to screen it. We have to ask why this was - there are two main possibilities: a) it wasn't commercially viable / profitable or b) the owners of these cinemas didn;t want to show it for more political reasons. Both these arguments have already been made on this thread, BUT... I'm not convinced it was an entirely commercial decision. OK, the subject matter, while of great interest in Irealand, might only be a footnote to the British public's conscious. However, for quite some time before the movie even made it to the cinemas, it was in the news a lot. There was the coverage of its screening and awards in Cannes. There were many pro-establishment turned-art-critics who 'savaged' the film, some of whom hadn't even yet seen it (which tells a lot about their motivation). All of this means that the curiosity of the British public must have been aroused to some degree, and they might have gone to see the movie to see 'what all the fuss was about'. (In the same way that in Ireland in the 1980s many people went to see some films picketed by the Catholic Church just to see what all the fuss was). If I was a cinema owner, I think I could safely bet on filling the cinema a few nights for a few weeks at least, and probably do better than just break even. Ease of access also makes it more likely more of the general public will go to see the film. There are lots of good films on in 'arthouse' cinemas here, but it can be difficult to keep track of what's showing and when, with the result that many 'arthouse' films draw smaller audiences. There are also large Irish populations in the UK that might be expected to have an interest in seeing 'The Wind'. So I'm not sure the commercial explanation, though we can't discount it, is entirely convincing. 2) That leaves us with more political motives: cinema owners didn't like the content or message of the film, or the politics of the director, or thought that the British public might see them as unpatriotic for screening this particular film, and their other business would suffer (imagine if they showed some movie sympathetic to Jihad etc.,). So they decided whatever profit might accrue from this movie wasn't worth it, or compromising their politics for. You might call it 'self-censorship' as opposed to a ban as such. An excellent book which deals with media and censorship (including self-censorship of topics deemed taboo) is Rolston, Bill. Millar, David. (Eds). "War and Words: The Northern Irealnd Media Reader". Beyond the Pale publications. Belfast: 1996 (ISBN 1 900960 00 1). It describes how these things work in practice very well. A lot of people here in Ireland went to see the Wind", obviously as it has particular resonace for us. Few people here don't have some ancestor, or relative of an ancestor, who doesn't have a tale from that time (a bit like WW2 in the UK, I suppose). And it's just on the edge of living memory. There is even one veteran of that time still alive, aged 104 this year. In fact he was at one of the Irish premiers of the movie and met Ken Loach. I went to see it myself. The use of authentic accents, actors etc., made it all the more real for us, long used to Brad Pitt etc., doing risible versions of an Irish brogue. From somewhere behind me in darkness of the cinema I could hear a woman sobbing quietly - when, for instance, the young spy was shot, when the fellow got a beating from the Tans etc., I turned as discreetly as I could when I got the chance to see who it was. It turned out to be a grey-haired old lady about three rows back. It struck me that she was of an age to have had parents or uncles, aunts etc., directly involved. She might even have been a very young child at the time, perhaps an infant. Perhaps too young to remember the actual events, but she would have grown up in a household surrounded by memories of that time, with the scars of it etc., Another point that may be of interest. It might be assumed by british audiences that this movie would inspire the Irish to bouts of anti-English sentiment. Perhaps this is true in some limited cases, but many people were just struck by the profound tragedy of the times - the idelaism of many of the rebels, the shattering of their dreams with the Free State (just changed the accents of the landlords), even the Tans for all their brutality, elicit some symapthy. They were men traumatised and brutalised by their experience in WW1, stabbed in the back by ebing told they were heroes fighting for democracy, their country etc., only to come home to demobilistaion and unemployment and the realisation they were still at the bottom of the social heap, that their comrades' deaths had been to help the rich amass more riches. Ken Loach has managed to explore the social aspects of the revolution quite well, and it's a treatment this kind of history rarely receives. It might also help explain why so many doyens of the establishment were so opposed to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:09 PM I've had it in my NETFLIX queue for the last 8 or 9 months, but it isn't available through them yet. We shall see! Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:48 AM I know of one film that was banned in most British cinemas, The long Good Friday, with Bob Hoskins and Helen Mirren, it had an IRA content. Helen Mirren wasn`t pleased and said so, this was an excellent film. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:55 AM I can't find any details of that that ban either, I'm afraid, Ard. Can you provide a link? If it ever was banned was it because it had IRA content or because it was so violent? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Paco Rabanne Date: 09 Nov 06 - 11:02 AM If 'The Long Good Friday' was so controversial, why is it still regularly shown on television???? I re-saw it only a couple of weeks ago! |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:30 PM You sure did Ted,. but when the film was released in 1980 lots of cinemas in Britain refused to show it and it wasn`t for the brutality included in the film,it was for the IRA content, Helen Mirren definitely objected to the fact that it wasn`t shown throughout Britain, and I am not making it up. Dave it is not something I can readily bring to hand but take my word for it, Mirren wasn`t pleased. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:52 PM Just did a Google on the film and found that it was held back for two years due to it`s violent content and the political overtone in the script, Helen Mirren at the time said it was due to the IRA content in the film. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:57 PM Good publicity stunt by Ms Mirren then? Even so 'Cinemas refusing to show it' is hardly a ban. It is simply a commercial decision. I doubt very much whether anyone will ever know the real reasons behind not showing it but my memory is that it was due to it's brutality. If there was any mention of the IRA it could well have been not wanting to accosiate them with such violence. Much as it may rankle, Ard, not every decision taken in England is driven by anti Irish feelings;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:43 PM And I can assure you Dave that Miss Mirren was adamant that it was due to the IRA content, you doubted my word, I am not Blair, rest assured I am a man of my word. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:19 PM I believe you, Ard. Never doubted you once. Ms Mirren is far better at acting than Mr Blair ever will be:-) All I fail to see is how the words of a self-publicist can be taken as sound grounds for stating that film was banned due to it's IRA content. Is there any corroborative evidence? Did the lovely Helen take the cinemas to court to prove the point? I think not. The point is not who said what back in 1980 it is that two statments have now been made about films being banned for their IRA connotations. Neither statement is completely true. I am sure you would be the first to jump up and down on me if I was to give misleading information. I am simply trying to give a balanced view. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:42 PM I have just discovered the way to settle this once and for all (I hope). The definitive font of knowledge for all things celluloid is the IMDB. You can search for any combination of things and I discovered, surprisingly, I could search on the category 'banned' and UK. To save you all the trouble here is a link to the results - UK Banned films There are 109 of them. I cannot say I hve looked at the synopsis for each one but, judging by the titles, not a one has been banned for it's political context. If anyone wants to check them all out please feel free. If anyone states that a film was banned in the future I have a ready question for them. Is it on the list? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Big Al Whittle Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:57 PM This 'banned' thing is really bugging you Dave, isn't it? If you can't see something -its been banned, prohibited, it an impossibility as a night's entertainment.....it a norwegian blue on the floor of the cage, pining for the fiords. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:15 AM If you can't see something -its been banned Absolutely spot on WLD. You have always been able to see both "the wind that shakes the barley" and "the long good friday". Maybe not at the cinema of your choice but all the same they were showing somewhere. Glad you have been able to define that they were indeed NOT banned:-) It is not realy the term banned that bugs me too much. It's the hypocracy. Remember the long arduous discusion about the involvement of the IRA in certain nefarious activities? When every man and his dog insisted that proof was required before some statements were made? I'm only doing the same. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: ard mhacha Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:27 AM If you would care to read the reviews of The long Good Friday, you will see that it was lauded to the skies as a superb film, one reviewer at the time questioned why it wasn`t distributed around more Cinemas, most of the other reviews had it as the best gangster movie of all time, some praise, in 1978 when the film was finished the IRA campaign was at it`s height,and as the film portrayed the IRA as coming out on top, hat didn`t go down well with the Brit establishment. Dave why castigate Mirren when you are losing out, take my word for it, brutality and violence had nothing to do with the cinemas not taking the film, there were films around at that time which made TLGF look tame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:36 AM No you lost me there Dave, I have no recollection of the thread you are talking about. I think those of us not actually involved and partisan to some extent, realise that all the parties involved in the recent bout of unpleasantness probably pulled all the strokes they were accused of, and a few more we never got to hear of. That is, after all, the nature of war. My memory of the period is cloudy. I'm not too sure, but I don't think anybody was too bothered about a ban of the Long Good Friday - apart from the artists of course. The reason being - cinema at the time was in the doldrums. Cinemas were closing everywhere - and frequently they were in a disgusting state. Around that time I went to a cinema in Heanor, Derbyshire. the lady on the box said I'll go and check if there is a seat free. We thought she meant all the seats were full up. She just meant if there was a set of three seats together in a fit condition for our party to sit in. The new comfy UCI's had not been built and everybody around that time was very excited at the new video machines. It was a real novelty being able to watch a film in your own home. We used to rent a video machine from Radio Rentals and it was bloody expensive, but a new VCR cost about £900 - most people couldn't afford one. You sometimes had to wait about six weeks before the video shop had a copy you could rent of some really popular film like Crocodile Dundee. I bet some places, they're still waiting to see that one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Paco Rabanne Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:49 AM In 1980 the IRA 'coming out on top' would not only have gone down badly with ' the Brit Establishment' it would have gone down like a bloody lead balloon with English cinema goers! So it sounds like Cinemas took a commercial decision not to show it. Makes perfect sense to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:10 AM I'm have never castigated Helen Mirren. Why say so? I said she was a good actress and a self publicist. Both expressions being positive characteristics. Let us not get too far from the discussion though. 2 statements have appeared above as a categoric truth. 1. After being banned in the majority of cinemas in the UK, the DVD of the Ken Loach film "The Wind That Shakes the Barley"... and 2. I know of one film that was banned in most British cinemas, The long Good Friday Can I ask a couple of questions? Does anyone believe that the above statements are true? If so, who banned the two films and why? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:11 AM 'I'm have never...' Wonder what language that is:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barl From: Divis Sweeney Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:28 AM Just hopping on to say hello friends. There is no active ban in place anywhere within the U.K. on the film The Wind that Shakes the Barley. That is fact, sure you know if a ban had been imposed mouthpieces like me would have had a field day ! The long Good Friday on the other hand was a brutal gangland movie set to a backdrop of an IRA campaign towards individuals within organised crime. And I agree with what ted has pointed out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:30 AM Hi Divis - Nice to see you:-) Sunning yourself on one of the Costas yet? While the rest of us freeze! Good luck to you:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:20 PM So, back to earlier, if no-one is supporting the statements that these films were banned and no-one is saying who banned them, is that as good as a retraction of the statements? ;-) Would it be fairer to say that a large number of cinemas in the UK chose not to show these films for commercial reasons? That perhaps it was the cinema owners, of various nationalities, who decided not to show them rather than the hated 'British'? That, heaven forbid, the term 'banned' was used simply because of it's emotive connotations? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: GUEST,Ted & Dougal Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:26 PM "Down wid dis sort o' ting" "Careful now" |
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Subject: RE: BS: DVD Release: The Wind That Shakes the Barley From: Dave the Gnome Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM Ye'll have a cup of tea then? Go on, go on, go on... |
