Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:18 PM

Whether they are singable songs or not is purely a matter of opinion.
You quoted 'Holloway and Black' to me and I came back with I think it was 30 songs that became folk songs. I can list them if you wish. A quick look at Vol 2 confirms this.

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:47 PM

"You quoted 'Holloway and Black' to me and I came back with I think it was 30 songs that became folk songs"
You recommended Holloway and black a long tome before that and I pointed out there were no singable songs in either volume - several folk songs that appear to have been "broadsideified" for the Urban audiences
No cigar, I'm afraid
Try again
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:55 PM

"I came back with I think it was 30 songs that became folk songs."
You provided no list whatever to songs from Holloway and Black
Where are you getting this from?
Seagoing and land labouring hacks, hacks with the time to study folklore and folk tales, Child coming around to the idea that broadsides weren't that bad after all, respected scholars that overlooked that the songs they regarded as originating with the folk were actually being churned out by the broadside presses down the road, an editor of the greatest collection of ballads who was having trouble distinguishing between those and his literary poetry, elitists who attributed folk songs to the folk....
Pulitzer Prize for fiction, here you come!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:56 PM

You're getting your facts and opinions mixed up again, Jim.

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:10 PM

These are all your own twists and turns, Jim. For the nth time, quote me accurately or not at all.

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:13 PM

For the 50 (and more) folk songs in Holloway & Black see the 'Folksong in England' thread. Yes, it was Ashton's Sea Songs we were discussing last time.

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: Bruce D
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 07:22 AM

I'll repaeat what I said a couple of years ago

"Oxborough" be a miss-transcription of the word Oxbow, which is a alternate name and older name for a Billabong.

Oxbow or Oxbow Lake

An oxbow lake is a U shaped body of water that forms when a wide meander from the main stem of a river is cut off, creating a free-standing body of water. This landform is so named for its distinctive curved shape, resembling the bow pin of an oxbow. In Australia, an oxbow lake is known as a billabong, from the indigenous language Wiradjuri. In south Texas, oxbows left by the Rio Grande are called resacas.
The word "oxbow" can also refer to a U-shaped bend in a river or stream, whether or not it is cut off from the main stream.   Ref: Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxbow_lake

Bruce D

Subject: RE: Origins: Maid of Australia / Maids of Australia
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 12:43 PM

I opened this thread because I happened to have oopies of three texts of the song on my desk. Two are from the late 1870s and give the river as Yarrow and Arbourer. Oxborough occurs in Harry Cox's version of the 1950s.

I would expect that the name of the river would be the first thing to be changed by the "folk process".