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katlaughing 06 Dec 06 - 05:25 PM
Cluin 06 Dec 06 - 06:40 PM
Ella who is Sooze 07 Dec 06 - 06:26 AM
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Subject: BS: Folklore re' finding jewelry hidden in f
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 05:25 PM

My friend asked if I remembered any folklore pertaining to finding jewelry in a fireplace; esp. claddaugh rings. We both seem to think there was some legend about the faeries leaving shiny things, but cannot remember for sure. Is there any significance that you might know of? Ring a bell with any of you?

Thanks!

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 06:40 PM

I'm-a lookin' for money!...

But I cain't find none nowhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:26 AM

Kat I've heard of this, it's common over here, plus more macabre things placed there too...

My grandma though - had a Louis something ormeleu (spelling) gilt clock bricked up in to her fireplace in the house they had in Royal Tunbridge Wells... She hated it, (this would have been 1950's)... And when they were having work done to their fireplace, she persuaded the workmen to have it bricked up in the fireplace - so she'd never have to see it again. (She was positively a woman to herself a real once in a lifetime sort of gal)...

Fast forward to the 1990's, we were calmly watching Antiques Roadshow after Sunday tea at my parents. It was showing an Ormeleu clock, and they were raving about it (it was ugly). Gran calmly announced, oh, I used to have one of those... hated it... had it bricked up in the house in Kent... We were stunned... it was worth an awful lot of money!

from a website found... There's a lot of customs and superstitions about what objects are placed where - google them, it comes up with interesting info...

Renovations revealed 'a George III coin, dated 1765, embedded under the hearthstone of the original fireplace. It is well known that the builders placed a penny in the hearth when building a house and other finds relating to witchcraft and superstition have, from time to time, been found behind hearths or lodged on a stone in a chimney or in the roof space of cottages' - Elizabeth Gale, Farmers, Fishermen and Flax Spinners (Privately, 1983) p58


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 07:43 AM

Ella, you don't by chance remember the address in Tunbridge Wells, do you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 07:48 AM

A neighbour found a mummified cat up a chimney, in a bag fixed in a cranny where the sweep's brush wouldn't catch it.

Shoes and bottles are quite common finds in old roofs.

One of the most remarkable finds was told to me by a local builder. Renovating one house, he discovered that the end wall of a room was brick, while the outside wall was stone. Removing the brick inner wall, he found a that the wall behind it had a fireplace with cast-iron range, and cupboards, complete with Victorian cooking utensils, all walled off as a kind of time capsule.

Whenever I do any work on my house, I always try to secrete away some datable object for future occupiers to find.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 09:30 AM

The dead return to point out to a deserving person where valuables are hidden under the hearthstone or in the fireplace is a fairly common folktale motif.

I once found some bits of plastic chain when I was digging in the yard. I threw it away....


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Selchie - (RH)
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 09:35 AM

Try http://thefleeceinn.co.uk/history1.html ~ The Fleece Inn, Bretforton, bequeathed to the National Trust in the 1970's,by it's last owner Lola Taplin. A settle (seat) cupboard still contains shoes hidden there.

I've just read that shoes were hidden to ward off evil spirits.

Next to the seat is a fireplace with several "witches' rings" painted on the floor, also to ward of evil & to stop witches coming down the chimney.

Rosie


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: GUEST, ...
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 10:18 AM

There is a mummified cat on display in an old pub in the Old Town in Hastings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: JennyO
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 10:59 AM

These ideas really appeal to me. They have been the stuff of many dreams I have had. I especially liked the post about the bricked-up wall with the hidden Victorian kitchen. There's a display like that in the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney here - particularly have a look at the panorama in the top right corner.

Over the years I have often dreamed that I am in a house - most often my grandmother's house - and I discover secret rooms that nobody knew about, or secret spaces in the roof full of treasures. I think suggestions have been made by those into psychology that dreams like these represent hidden parts of oneself, and supposedly one's potential. Maybe - I don't know.

When I moved into my present house 3 years ago, I was rather enthusiastic about discovering the nooks and crannies - it's an old house. I discovered a fireplace behind a stupid set of doors that someone had built, and although the space is there and it looks like a fireplace, unfortunately the chimney has been bricked up. I'd be tempted to try and unbrick it, if it was my house - not just because of the prospect of hidden items, but just to have a working fireplace, but alas we are renting. So it will have to stay bricked up. Up in the roof of the garage showed some potential at first, I thought, but there only seems to be junk up there :-(

I LOVE old houses!


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 11:23 AM

Guest - there are two cats and it's the Stag in Hastings Old Town.

I've heard some ancient stories about a mummified animal (and on occasion a human baby) or coins being walled up to protect a house from evil spirits, but jewellery, never.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 02:07 PM

Staggerin' Willy, down on his knees
Lookin' for something out in the leaves
Here comes Ruby in her big black car
"Staggerin' Willy, whatcha lookin' for?"

I'm-a lookin' for money
I'm-a lookin' for moneeeeeey
I'm lookin' for money
But I cain't find none nowhere

Staggerin' Willygrabbed his axe
Went into the house and he started to hack
He chopped up the porch and he chopped up the steps
Sayin' "Money, oh money, I'll find you yet!"

I'm-a lookin' for money
I'm-a lookin' for moneeeeeey
I'm lookin' for money
But I cain't find none nowhere

Staggerin' Willy, where did he go?
That's him diggin' that deep dark hole
Here come Ruby with her big black car
"Staggerin' Willy, whatcha lookin' for?"

I'm-a lookin' for money
I'm-a lookin' for moneeeeeey
I'm lookin' for money
But I cain't find none nowhere

I'm-a lookin' for money
I'm-a lookin' for moneeeeeey
I'm lookin' for money
But I cain't find none nowhere


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 02:40 PM

I too love big old houses, and I have often dreamt about them, including rooms that I had no idea were there.

Reminds me of a dream a friend told me the other day. She dreamt that she and her husband and children were living in a really cramped little house, practically stepping over each other to get from one end of the room to the other. Then one day she opened a door that she had never noticed before- and there was the rest of the house.

Not a fireplace or a roof and not jewelry or shoes but my brother, living in an old huge house, once discovered on top of the parlor pocket door a small packet of old photographs, all of the same man. Mystery. I love it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:55 PM

As an Antique and bric-a-brac dealer I went with a friend to an Antique Fair in the early eighties. We were well known as buyers and were approached by a seasoned dealer to purchase a bronze cat which had an earring in one ear and was mounted on a marble base. "You can have it for £13, it was found in an old chimney" was the offer. My friend asked "Is it repro" (reproduction). To which I repied "repro what"? as I could not even envisage what the original might have been.
On the way out, we were offered the same item for £11 which was a lot of money at that time and we declined the offer. One of the top dealers in the area passed us on his way in as we were going out and he actually bought the said item.
It turned out to be a bronze cat from an ancient Egyptian tomb and sold at Sothebys for £23,000....
This is true story! I have kicked myself many times since.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 10:11 PM

Oh, jaysus, GS! That's quite a story!

Thanks to you all. This is turning into a vert fun thread to read; right up my alley. I love old houses, nooks and crannies, and mysterious discoveries!

In my friend's case, she'd just moved across country. Hasn't totally set up her house after unpacking. She went to clean the fireplace or chimney, not sure, and found her OWN two claddaugh rings kind of tucked away in it. Didn't even know they were out of the box she'd put them in, though she thinks the cats may have been able to get to them. Not sure how a cat would get them tucked away, though. Whether they did or not, she'd just wondering what folkloric massage it might have for her.

Thanks for all of your sharing. Please keep going on....love reading the stories!

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: eddie1
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 07:22 AM

Never did find any jewellery but I was asked by a friend to help him lay a carpet. There was a very elderly carpet already which was tacked down so we lifted it. Under that was lino. so old that most of the pattern was worn away so we lifted it. Under that was a thick layer of newspapers from the 30s so we started reading them!
About 3.00 in the morning we crawled off to bed with the new carpet still unlaid! We did get it done the next day though.

Keep up the good work.

Eddie


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 08:50 AM

We were working on our house in Indiana, "making it ours". Up in the floor joists above the basement I found a .177 caliber air rifle, a pretty nice one. I still have it. Several years later I was cleaning i the attic, prepartory to putting in more insulation. There, inside an old Kotex box, I found an inexpensive .38 revolver (unloaded). THAT I took to the police for checking and proper disposal.

Sure would like to find a tub of money, though. The best that I've found in our current house is an empty gallon-sized glass jar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:17 AM

I haven't found anything fun or interesting. :(


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Paul Burke
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:33 AM

In the early 70s I moved in with some friends who had bought a house in Levenshulme, Manchester, a late Victorian terrace. While we were rewiring it, under the floorboards in the attic bedroom, we found some rather crude pencil sketches of young ladies in very voluminous underwear. It was probably some poor sod's nearest approach to pornography in those repressed times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Flash Company
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:44 AM

Owner of the hotel in Shrewsbury (UK) where I stayed on honeymoon was telling us the history of the place, It had apparently been a lodge on the Engish estate of The Macpherson of Macpherson. The last owner of the property had been rather reclusive, and had had a secret room created behind the fireplace in the main hall to which he could retire to avoid visitors. The Butler would then say 'The Laird is out'
When the alterations and extensions started for the Hotel, the room was found and cotained some fairly valuable antique furniture and several first edition books. I believe the books were given to the Rowley's House Museum in Shrewsbury,

FC


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:15 AM

A few months ago, we bought a large old wooden desk for $20 from Habitat for Humanity. In the righthand bottom drawer, way in the back, we found a fairly large French coin; not too old, but pretty neat, anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: JennyO
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 11:12 AM

When I was living in another house with my teenage children, my son had occasion to go up in the roofspace - I forget why - but he found a couple of interesting things. It was a very hot house in the summer, but one room always seemed cooler than the others. We found out why, because although the house didn't have insulation, the space above the ceiling of that room was lined with rows of foam cooler lids. Very strange!

What was a lot more interesting was the rather ornate and very early speaker that he found. Stuck on the back of it was written an address, which was not ours, but apparently just round the corner. I had a suspicion that this USED to be the address of our house.

We lived in a very short street - a cul-de-sac - and our house was exactly at the end, facing down the street. It also appeared to be older than the other few houses in the street. The street that our street ran off was the one written on the speaker. I had an extremely old Sydney street directory which showed that cross street but our street did not exist at that time. My theory is that our house used to front onto the other street, with a big front yard. Going by the street numbers in the cross street, and the number written on the paper, it all fits. Fascinating!


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Subject: RE: BS: Folklore re' jewelry hidden in fireplace
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 11:29 AM

Here's a couple about public libraries:

A few years back in New Hampshire a library was cleaning out the attic and found an old painting of George Washington. An original Gilbert Stuart...a very valuable thing indeed!

The Kenton County Public Library, back in 1972 or so, was moving out of the old Carnegie building and into its new quarters. The attic was checked as part of a final goodbye sweep, and an old, old box with stuff in it was found. Good thing, too -- both volumes of the Elephant Folio edition of Audbon's "Birds of America". The US$172,000 they got for it at sale was the seed money for their Library Foundation.

I've been up in the attic here several times. I can assure you that if there is a value for dust, we're very very wealthy.


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