BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)

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-Joe Offer-

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Subject: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:09 PM

The following thread has been closed (for a second time) Closed threads & deleted posts for the following reason (or excuse).

Gee, I'm so sorry, but I have to close this thread. It's getting hit with a lot of Spam - four in two minutes. If you need to start another discussion on this topic, post a link to this thread.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Perhaps the discussion will be permitted to continue (spam free) in this thread? For as you can see - that thread had happily lived with all the spam intentionally placed there since August 2006, by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - as you will see from (what is now) its first post.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:14 PM

The following was the latest of my posts to the original thread. Although there was an earlier thread called 'Deleted posts & closed threads' - which was also closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:04 PM

Well, I used to give you equal treatment, Shambles - but you kept badgering me about that being repressive censorship.
So, you got what you asked for. Catspaw can say what he likes about you, until such time as you stop your incessant campaign against the way we do things here. You are not a nice person, Shambles. Do not expect to be treated nicely.
-Joe-

So if I decide to agree with actions and restrictions being imposed on our forum, that I cannot ever be seen to support - will I too become a 'nice' person (like the example that Catspaw sets)?

Will the special restrictions on my posting then be lifted?

And as long as I am not seen to disagree with the 'way 'we' do things here' - like Catspaw and a few other favoured posters - will I too be permitted and encouraged to post only personal judgements, insults and be allowed to call other posters names?

I strongly suspect that should I (or others) be seen to ever post or respond in kind, anything like those that certain 'moderators' choose to do and which certain favoured posters are seen to be permitted to do - that my posts would not remain on our forum for very long.........

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:21 PM

I'm having flashbacks . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:43 PM

Emotional neediness.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:45 PM

NO. Flashbacks. It's the strangest damned thing. It's like a daja vu kinda feeling. I'm seeing posts on a new thread that I'm sure I've read before, and it's like going back in time but still being in the present. Man, this is WEIRD!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:59 PM

Man, this is WEIRD!

Perhaps not as weird as a thread being closed because of spam posts- by the same person who thought it OK to intentionally insert spam posts all over it?

Perhaps there could be another reason for that thread being closed for a second time - just when it looked as if someone could claim the 2000th post?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:08 PM

Perhaps everyone can start ignoring this thread since everything that has to be said was already said in the closed one. Just let Shambles have a good time raving on and on and on. He doesn't really care what anyone else thinks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:09 PM

I would have expected by now that someone would have corrected the spelling of daja vu.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:15 PM

Perhaps it is time for a complete mental examination.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:15 PM

Shambles - you are so screwed up. They give you your own thread, let you start another thread and then you STILL whine????? Just drop off the face off the internet once and for all. Find something real to complain about - if only you had any idea what "real complaints" are! Must be nice to have a life where this is the best you have to complain about.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:15 PM

never a pedant when you really need one !

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:18 PM

Perhaps everyone can start ignoring this thread since everything that has to be said was already said in the closed one. Just let Shambles have a good time raving on and on and on. He doesn't really care what anyone else thinks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:28 PM

There's that fuckin' daja vu AGAIN!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:36 PM

deja

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:38 PM

see - I told you there would be a pedant along soon :)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:38 PM

Oh, sweet crap!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Severn
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:43 PM

Closed closed post-postthread threads?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:44 PM

Perhaps everyone can start ignoring this thread since everything that has to be said was already said in the closed one. Just let Shambles have a good time raving on and on and on. He doesn't really care what anyone else thinks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:46 PM

"I got that old feeling".................

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:49 PM

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:51 PM

now THAT is déja vu !

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:52 PM

I was last to post in the other thread.

I killed it!

I paid Shambles a compliment and reality turned on its ear and a quantum singularity formed and the thread was closed.

It was all down to ME!

I will accept your gifts of thanks.

Line forms on the left...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:27 PM

Thanks ever so much. Now have you devised a way of ridding us of Shambles for good?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:37 PM

Shambles posted three times. Someone else posted six times. Who's got the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 08:27 PM

Thanks for the compliment Cluin - it did seem to be the compliment that did for the last thread.

However, I suspect that the reason was that with all the discussion confined in one thread (as requested) - it was too easy for posters to read the whole sorry tale.

You do have the dubious honour of having the last post to it - even if there was a editing comment inserted into it.

It is amazing how when I request that editing comments be limited to always being provided where some form of editing action has taken place - this is deemed by our 'moderators' to be too much trouble for them.

But when I am trying to stop them being inserted into posts (and not refreshing the thread) when no editing action has been imposed - inserting editing comments into posts - seems not to be too much trouble for them at all.

Other than the spam that was intentionally inserted inserted into that thread by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team (i.e the good spam), did anyone - other than the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - see any evidence of this alleged and rather convienient new spam (i.e. the bad spam)?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 08:49 PM

I most certainly did.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 08:58 PM

Yes I did - anything written by some schmuck named The Shambles.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:13 PM

I most certainly did.

Well as you did, perhaps you could explain to our forum, the so-called logic of closing that thread in particular (or of deleting any spam from it)?

For spam was intentionally placed in that thread by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team (and still remains there) - supposedly so that we could see what spam looked like and how much spam there was being silently deleted in order to protect us from seeing it?

It will be difficult to explain this as there really is no logic or consistency in any of these actions.

We do all know what spam is and our forum had suffered no lasting effects from this spam being in that thread since August 2006 - so it is difficult to see what harm - even a 'barrage' of new spam would have done - had the thread remained open.

But it will be interesting to read any attempts posted here to explain our 'moderator's' 'logic'...............

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 09:29 PM

To the narisch tipesch who called Shambles a bad name: behave.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST,Only the Lonely
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:17 PM

It's not deja vu!

It's Dejah Thoris!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: number 6
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:25 PM

So Shambles ... I'm not quite clear on what your beef is all about .. can you please clarify on what the complaint is all about.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:28 PM

And Jack misses her, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 06:33 AM

You may have missed the following editing comment as it - and the spam that was said to be the reason for imposing closure on the first thread (for the second time) - was inserted to the start of this thread, and said to be for the following reason.

This Spam was undeleted and transferred from the previous "Closed and Deleted" thread. Shambles doesn't believe my statement that the previous thread was closed because it had become a Spam target - well, here's his Spam. Hope he likes it.
-Joe Offer-

As these spam posts are judged OK to be placed here by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team - perhaps they could just safely have been left in the original thread (along with the other spam posts placed earlier in that thread by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team)?

It was judged that the earier thread was a safe dumping ground for spam posts - so where is the logic in closing that one - and then placing the new spam posts deleted from that one into this thread as well?

Perhaps they can be removed by the person who placed them there?

Spam posts are either all equally good or equally bad - I suggest that seeing them abused by our 'moderators' for use in their own personal disputes with individual posters in public - is not setting a very positive example to posters or other 'moderators'.

There may be a few fools posting on our forum - but very few posters are as foolish as the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team obviously judges our forum to be - in seriously expecting posters to accept the justification he provides for these unecessary and personally motivated actions.

Or perhaps our 'moderators' could just delete any spam posts that appear in any thread - as our forum is told and what most of them seem to consider is is what they are supposed to do with spam posts? For we do all know what spam is - and no matter how irritating this may be - we do manage quite well to simply ignore what few posts slip past our automatic filters.

By all means delete spam posts - but please don't close or delete any more perfectly acceptable threads along with all their posts. This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and it is simply NOT proportionate to the problem.

Following this logic - should all threads be subjected to such spam postings - then will the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team judge it to be a proportionate response - to close the entire forum?

I fear the answer would probably be yes.
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The following thread has been closed (for a second time) http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=93659&messages=1827&page=1&desc=yes for the following reason.

Gee, I'm so sorry, but I have to close this thread. It's getting hit with a lot of Spam - four in two minutes. If you need to start another discussion on this topic, post a link to this thread.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 08:30 AM

Mr Gall, I am delighted to see you starting a new edition of "Closed threads & deleted posts". Your ability to consistantly introduce such humour into what at first might appear to be a dull topic is to be admired. Your creation of "The Shambles" is inspired.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:45 AM

Mr Gall, I am delighted to see you starting a new edition of "Closed threads & deleted posts".

I am glad to see that someone is pleased.

I am sorry there has to be a new one started - as there was no good reason to close the first one. http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=93659&messages=1827&page=1&desc=yes

But the main regret is that while posts and entire threads continue to be closed and deleted - for no good reason - that discussion of these actions and the justifications given for them will have to (try) and continue too.

When reason and some form of consistent logic is finally seen to be openly applied on our forum by our 'moderators' - when all posters are seen to be given equal treatment - when our forum can see them all and judge if these imposed editing actions are proportionate and when a better example of posting conduct is seen to be set by them - there will be no need for such threads as these.

If as much effort was spent by our 'moderators' in addressing these problems as is seen to be spent by some of them - in judging, complaining about and generally interfering with these threads - I feel that this would prove to be of great benefit to all posters.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 10:06 AM

I am pleased Mr Gall.

I wonder if I may make one suggestion. I believe that it Joe Offer's occasional venture into comedy weaken an otherwise excellent plot and that it is The Shambles' reaction to a reasonable man that produces the best laughs. Could that be considered for our next episode?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 10:13 AM

Shambles - direct your wasted energy to the real problems of the world. You would probably accomplish quite a bit of good.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 10:54 AM

Who needs a spambot when we've got you, Joe? The forum be damned...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 11:56 AM

Perhaps everyone can start ignoring this thread since everything that has to be said was already said in the closed one. Just let Shambles have a good time raving on and on and on. He doesn't really care what anyone else thinks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 03:36 PM

Yeah, 09 Dec 06 - 11:56 AM, I know,
but he's so fun to watch, his blown-up pompousness, his inability to forge the flow of incoherent thoughts into a normal sentence, his fearless fight to save the the Occident and the Enlightenment from the onslaught of the forces of Evil, his involuntary humour,...

But mayby you're right, there's no real need to write letters to the editor about the jokes' page. One can just laugh.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 04:40 PM

OK, so maybe anger was part of the reason why I moved those Spam messages to the top of this thread. Shambles doubted the existence of the Spam that was the reason for the closure of the previous thread, so I moved those messages here as proof. And yes, I was angry. I think I had a right to be. Nobody likes to be called a liar.

I've always prided myself for my honesty, and I've always been honest here at Mudcat. If I say I closed a thread for thus-and-such a reason, that's why I closed it. For over five years, Mr. Shambles has posted messages almost every day that attempt to "prove" that I'm a liar. Usually, I'm able to ignore those messages - but it does hurt a lot. When it appears that other people are starting to believe his allegations, that's when it hurts the most.

So, if my anger got the best of me, I'm sorry.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: jacqui.c
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 04:43 PM

Joe - those who know you will know that you do not lie and that your Mudcat dealings are straight down the middle.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 04:52 PM

Don't let him get to you Joe, that's what he's trying to do!
He's just an underhand little shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

Shambles gets called a schmuck and an underhand little shit. And so we score two for the anti-Shambles side.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:25 PM

SCORE CARD



Shambles                  Management

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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:29 PM

And now I'm off this thread, too. Someone else can keep score. It has turned to shit in which good people get slagged and other good people get sucked in. The bullshit of allowing Shambles to slag Joe and then clones leaving personal insults about Shambles on the thread is beneath the dignity of the site.

Have a nice fuckin' day!