Obit: Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet(1915-2006)

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Cllr
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 08:11 PM

Tom there ar a few of us conservatives about on mudcat I assure you and Conservatism being a broad church means that that not all conservatives were thatcherite. at risk of thread creep do you think that a conservative is one who is active in party politics or just one who voted that way, on either hand is there any reason for us to post considering the vituperative nature of some of the posts.

alanabit, you make a very good point thankyou for replying in such a manner.
I suppose that as an active tory anything i say might be construed as a defence of pinochet overall and its not.

I remember when Tony Benn was talking about the arms trade in the seventies when he was a minister saying that it was nessercary evil because of the jobs and money it brought into the country. did he fail in his own political beliefs I woulldnt say so I admire him even if i don't agree with him.

I will say that comparing thatcher to Pinochet/Hitler/Mao/Stalin in actions makes the writer look silly imho, while some may accuse Thatcher of similar crimes i think there is a case of loss of perspective here.

What alanabit says is more rational and i would agree with the most part on what he says.

Dictators come from all wings of the political spectrum but this seems to be a point forgotton by some of the comentators here.
But most people i have met on the left and right are because they are tring to help their own communityand being involved in a political party should be thought of a a good thing not a perjorative who thinks that any brand of politics other than there own results in dictators.

Im sorry if this seems off topic to some but the news that this man has died brings back the memories of what friends have said to me about there own horrendous experiences and to thank whatever power that be that I live in a country that has in no way a similar form of government.

To again quote Churchill "democracy is the worst form of government except for everything else"

cllr

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:24 PM

Pinocchio is dead? Oh, poor Gepeto.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:31 PM

And one hell of a lot more people died as a result of September 11, 1973 than in the World Trade center.

Funny how the U.S. has conveniently forgotten that....

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: GUEST,dax
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:12 AM

Och Maggie, my deepest sympathy on the loss of your dear friend. I hope that he will again join you near that great cozy fireside! Your other dear friend Ronnie no doubt awaits your arrival as well!

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 07:18 AM

But a lot more people died because of September 11 2001 - killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 08:31 AM

tell that to the millions without work that Thatcher was good for this country.

mind you what the use arguing, let's agree to disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 09:30 AM

Its down to the U.S. of A. again, McGrath. Only because of their bonehead response. It didn't have to be that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:06 AM

Our local paper ran a cartoon this morning that showed Pinochet walking through the clouds as if he were going to heaven. The traffic sign on the cloud said "Expect Delays".

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Peace
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:09 AM

I notice that Google's front page shows a painting which I think is called "The Scream". I wonder . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:10 AM

A person from Chile or a Tory after the Scottish election

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:11 AM

A peron from Chile that liked Pinochet.

no many

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:23 AM

Tam,

A question for you.

You have to buy product A you can buy it for £8, or you could buy it for £75.

What price would you pay.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:34 AM

Some things cost a lot more than money. The price tag doesn't always show the total cost.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 04:09 PM

Milosevic found dead in cell

Interesting to compare these two threads from this year. To me, both men are about equally despicable.
The extra amount of hate I see for Pinochet I guess comes more from anger about what he destroyed than from the scale of his crimes.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 10:00 AM

What a stupid bloody question?

what has that got to do with a mass murderer.

Any why argue, because you not going ot listen.

no matter what answer I give it will be the wrong one.

Subject: RE: BS: Pinochet dies
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 10:01 AM

Could also be the sense that Pinochet got away with it, whereas Milosevic did not.