Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?

Subject: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Barry T
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 01:09 PM

Start of rant...

I was about to start a thread to review Celtic Woman II on PBS. I quickly realized that we would probably repeat the same slam-and-praise cycle from our review of the first production.

Instead, I'll focus comment on and question the practice of lip-synching... the one hugely annoying practice that forces me to give this television production a regretful thumbs down.

All of the performers are great, with solid reputations and legions of fans. Putting aside the satin gowns and fog, the vocal arrangements, especially the four-part harmonies, were excellent. And I just loved Órlagh Fallon's harp and vocal interpretation of Carrickfergus. But I gritted my teeth everytime a close-up revealed exquisite vibrato from all the ladies... without so much as a murmur of a throat muscle! I felt the same watching Máiréad Nesbitt, who apparently played flawlessly while performing Celtic floor gymnastics!

I can understand the producers wanting the DVD of the production to be spot on, but I would feel cheated if I purchased the DVD. I'd be interested in hearing from folks who have seen Celtic Woman live in concert. Do they 'sing' (really) at those events?

The nearest opportunity for me to see CW II this year would be Seattle. Would I drop over 500 bucks for tickets, over the border travel and accommodation to watch lip-synching? File that possibility under 'You gotta be kidding!"

Makes me wonder: Just how widespread is this technique in televised musical productions? Is anyone 'for real'?

...end of rant.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Bernard
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 02:21 PM

As I've been involved in the recording of such material, perhaps I can explain...

What tends to happen is the items are performed two or three times prior to the concert, so that close-up shots can be taken without the cameras intruding too much into the concert itself.

The audio track is one 'genuine' take (normally the concert itself), but the video could be from any of the other 'takes', which means the video editor has to try to match the video with the audio. How well they do it is often more to do with how consistent the performer is rather than the skill of the editor.

So it may appear to be 'lip-sync' when really it isn't. I can't comment on the Celtic Woman concert, as I wasn't involved, but maybe this answers your question?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 03:40 PM

a rip off

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Celtic Woman in Concert
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 10:14 PM

I just attended a Celtic Woman concert in Manchester, NH. The woman playing the violin and jumping around the stage while playing perfectly, raised my suspicions. During the show, I noticed one time she was not playing her violin yet I continued to hear violin music.

The voices also seemed to perfect without any strain or chest heave. The whole thing seemed fake.

Also, this is the first concert I have attended in years that did not feature a big screen with close up shots.

Nice music but something seemed out of whack.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 08:48 AM

Is 'lip-synching' what pretentious tossers call 'miming'?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: danensis
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 12:14 PM

When we filmed Vin Garbutt on an island in Loch Lomond, we got the 24 hours of video tape back to the studio, and found that the soundtrack had an annoying buzz on it, which hadn't been picked up at the time of recording. It clearly was not practical to lug thirty odd people and ten tons of equipment back to Inch Murrin, so Vin kindly agreed to go into the studio and post-sync all his set. He did quite well, there are a couple of place where it was noticeable, but generally its spot on.

John

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 01:26 PM

I've only watched a small portion of the "Celtic Women" show. I just found it to be too big of a production for my personal taste. I've no doubt, others will enjoy it immensely but as to your question re Lip Synching... Whether they are or are not lip synching on this particular show, I don't know but when it happens, isn't the performer admitting that he/she can't actually do what you're paying them for? That, to me is a rip off?
GUEST,Shimrod: Yes. That's what we call miming now. Don't know why. I suppose they're giving credit to the technicians rather than the artists. Hey! Makes sense when you think of it.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Rasener
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 01:57 PM

I think a DVD is not a problem.

I recently saw a very good trio perform at Lincoln City Football Club ground live. I was so turned off becuase they had a musical backing that they sang to. It was pre recorded.

Can't stand that.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 01:58 PM

My wife had remarked to me, a couple of weeks ago, about the dancing fiddler in question so I just had to go ask her.
Brenda Lad is a fine fiddler and not easily fooled. This I know too well.
She was extremely impressed by the girls elegance, beauty, agility and playing and firmly believes that the young woman was playing perfectly as she skipped across the stage.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 02:00 PM

"Looping" is done fairly frequently when making movies. This is sort of the opposite of lip-synching and it's not easy to do. Looping is done when it's discovered that after a scene is shot, a line, or several lines haven't recorded well. Maybe the whole scene. And rather than go to the expense of setting up the scene again and reshooting it, they have the actors come in to re-record the dialogue while watching the film. And trying to match the words (emotions and all) to their own lip movements on film is damned hard to do! But you see lot more of that than you realize.

One of the reasons for cobbling recordings by doing umpteen takes or sometimes splicing a couple of takes together is that, in live performance, a slight boo-boo (and no performer, no matter how good, can lay down an absolutely perfect performance every time—or even most of the time) may go by unnoticed, or if noticed, easily forgiven. But if you hear the boo-boo every single time you listen to the CD or watch the DVD, it becomes more and more noticeable. Like an ugly wart on an otherwise beautiful face. It's hard to keep your eyes off of it. Since the boo-boo can be eliminated with a little judicious editing or splicing, that's standard operating procedure, and everybody's happy. But if the editing is sloppily done, that becomes a boo-boo in itself.

The live performer gets only one shot. Before being too critical, try recording something perfectly. Then note how many takes are required to get it absolutely perfect.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Stewart
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 03:11 PM

Well, I guess I'm guilty of lip-syncing in my past. In the late '60s when I lived in Dallas (for a few years) I sang with the Dallas Civic Chorus. One of our regular gigs was to do the Nat'l Anthem at the beginning of the Cowboys' football games, then in the old Cotton Bowl. Because it's hard to sing in a large stadium with all its reverb, we recorded our singing, so when we stepped up on the risers and our conductor raised his baton, it was all lip-syncing. Once when the tape was cued too early we really had to jump in fast. After the game, someone would always compliment me on the singing, but I had to be honest and tell them our secret.

But I much prefer to listen to live recordings rather than studio-polished over-dubbed stuff. And the same goes with video.

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Bernard
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 02:02 PM

I suppose it depends upon what you've gone to see... if it's a stage show with lots of choreography, miming has been common practice for decades - the long defunct British 'Black and White Minstrels Show' being a case in point. The 'singers' were miming whether it was a 'live' stage show or a TV production (a friend of mine used to be their Stage Manager). Sometimes the singers were live, but offstage, other times it was entirely mimed to a recording, depending upon the venue.

The idea is not that you are watching a concert, which would be more static, but you are watching a spectacular with musical backing.

Horses for courses...

I'm with Stewart on this - I'd rather watch a good honest performance, rather than dancers and actors faking it. There can be, as he suggested, a good reason for miming - exceptions always prove a rule.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Joel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:10 PM

Enough of the apologetics for Celtic Woman performances. It's not post-production looping. It's not cutting together different takes.

Watch the throats and jaws of the singers -- no vibration. Count the notes and the strokes of the bow -- when the bow is actually on the strings.

It's just pretty pretty ladies pretending to sing and play fiddle.

The PBS pledge host commented on the assembly of the group for PBS.
The title is Celtic Woman - A New Journey: Live at Slane Castle. Where is PBS's honesty. I'm dishearted by the gullibility of thousands...millions?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:47 PM

Jeeze!
      Now I'm going to have to watch the damn thing just to figure out whether or not it's fake. Thanks Joel. I thought I was done with this one.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:03 PM

Would you guys please get a grip!! Vibrating throats, jaws, yada yada yada,....please !! give me break. There is no way a live DVD would be 'lip synched'. You could never get it perfect and Ive watched the DVD several times, looking closely, and their lips always matched with the words, ALWAYS ! With all those close ups, you could never hide it for 2 hours. You guys are brutal !! Concerts are one thing, live DVDs ( with 90% close-ups ), are totally different. P.S. The All-Ireland Fiddle Champion does NOT have to pretend to play! Find a new hobby people, because reviews are just not for you.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:12 PM

Oh thank you, guest WG for being the voice of reason!
You said
       "Ive watched the DVD several times, looking closely, and their lips always matched with the words"
But if I say I'll do that then I'm Brutal?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:21 PM

Sorry Jim, I wasn't talking about you, just those before you. You were the one who actually said they would watch and find out for yourself. ( Ive watched the DVD several times in the past couple of months, and was paying close attention because in the past I heard a mention of lip-synching and wanted to be sure.) Enjoy, and see for yourself, and by the way, good luck 'counting notes and bow-strokes during granuailes dance. C Ya.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:25 PM

P.S. Didnt mean to group everyone together, just ticked. LOL

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:42 PM

It's fun to rant sometimes, LOL. Great for stress ! But seriously, I doubt they could pull it off. PS. Your wife said Mairead was actually playing ?, so there you go :)

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 07:06 PM

I didn't disagree with her. I dare not! I think the others were just having fun too though.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 07:23 PM

LOL, smart man! Im sure they were, its just that Ive heard it before about lip synching etc, and it ticks me off sometimes, because people say that about everyone (ever since that Milli Vanilli incident LOL). Mairead is one of the best fiddle players in the world, no kidding, and the girls have been together for over a year and a half, Im pretty sure they have it down by now. I might believe the lip-synching theory if I could see it, but no way. Anyhow, kudos to the engineers and singers if they could pull it off. Watch close !

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 07:40 PM

To answer the post asking if they actually sing at their live concerts, someone on another forum who saw them live said one of the girls voices cracked on one of the really high notes, and she appeared to react to it. Or maybe they planned that so it would 'appear' to be live. Hmmmm....Interesting.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:32 PM

It's always a risky business, voicing negative opinions about favourite entertainers, on this forrum. I wouldn't be inclined to take it personally. I will say this however......

Oh, never mind.

I've got nothing!

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:12 PM

Please, speak your mind. LOL. I dont take much personally, but I have seen some people really freak out in some forums. I went into one forum the other night and read,didnt post anything and Im like...Oh kayyyy.. These guys were just ripping on eachother. I honestly dont care what anyone says about a performer IF IT'S A VALID POINT. LOL. Have a good night, C Ya.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,WG
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 10:07 PM

P.S. May the angelic voices of Celtic Woman be enjoyed by everybody, each and every day from this day forward !!!!!

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:32 PM

Who was that masked woman?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Big Phil
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 03:38 AM

To answer the Posters question, yes of course Lip-Synching or miming is a rip off.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 12:52 PM

Fake, Fake, Fake. So is Riverdance and Lord of the dance. Fake footsteps. Barage is fake too. Saw them from the front row. Cute as hell, but playing to a tape. Rip off. I'd rather hear a slightly-flawed real performance. Or even a seriously-flawed one for that matter, if SOMEONE in the production had heart.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Scrump
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:05 PM

Fake, Fake, Fake. So is Riverdance and Lord of the dance. Fake footsteps.

I expect it was all done by computer animation. Heaven only knows why they bothered, though.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:43 PM

I wonder why I have never heard a REAL critic say anything remotely close to them (Celtic Woman) being fake, or lip=synching, etc etc. The only place you see comments like that is in these forums. Dont you think if CW was faking it, it would have been discovered by now. Theyve been around for about 2 years, several concert tours, DVD's, etc. You'd think SOMEONE would have exposed them by now, that is, someone who knows, not some angry,pot-stirring, 'armchair quarterbacks'. Not everyone in the business is like Ashlee Simpson or Milli Vanilli and if they were, they would be quickly exposed. I guess the hundreds of reviews on CW and their music were written by critics with no clue.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:50 PM

I heard someone connected with Riverdance say (on NPR I think) that they were foot-synching. The rationale was that people who attend a concert expect them to be perfect everytime so they make sure that they are. I would feel cheated out of my money if I had gone to a show. I think it is a sad commentary that a lot of people find it acceptable. I have heard interviews with young folks who go see Madonna or Britney or some such and are OK with the fact that they are lip-synching. It is not what it is, it is what it appears to be that seems to matter. Very sad.

I don't know a bout Celtic Woman. Why was it called Celtic Woman? I didn't see but a small part but it looked to me like there was more than one woman.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Old Grizzly
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:20 PM

Much rather hear/see a performance 'straight' - warts and all !

even I make mistakes - and it doesn't bother me :o)

Dave

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:21 PM

Bottom line is...lip synching, miming, whatever is a rip off. People pay good money to see a live performance and although maybe the group's management wants a perfect show, I think most audience members would be okay with the odd mistake on stage. Apparently lipsynching is becoming very common, maybe because a lot of todays 'talent' cant even sing, its all about marketing. However, people who lipsynch are playing with fire, because if they are found out, it could ruin their career. I dont think anyone with talent (ie Celtic Woman - all 6 of them) needs to lipsynch. They are true professionals with amazing voices. Also, Mairead Nesbitt is an Ireland fiddle champion (some stiff competition) so I seriously doubt she needs to 'fake it'. Bottom line is, A New Journey is a beautiful production that is well worth checking out. These girls are all 'the real deal' and had successful solo careers long before CW came to be. P.S. Something tells me the Irish are way too proud and steeped in musical tradition to even consider such a practice.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:25 PM

Looks like someone's a CW fan!
G.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:30 PM

Come to the light my son.. :)

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 12:08 AM

Is it a rip off? IMHO, yes & I'd be pissed if I were to witness it.

Mistakes are exceptable, lip synching isn't.

Barry

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Kat
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 07:47 PM

Ok, as a fan and someone who will be seeing them live in CHicago in a few weeks - I am watching the DVD on an upsync HD DVD player on 42" plasma. I am watching closely. I found this link because I was curious after seeing the first PBS special. I am a musician and happen to be in a band with guitar, violin and me (percussion and lots of it). My violinist has watched as well, and although she did comment on her style - she wondered - "sync playing?" She said no, after watching.

One thing to look at - the BREATH - watch and LISTEN to the clarity of the breath as the chest breaths in and forget about the throat for a moment. You can't match the breath that perfectly if it was a a "sync" - sorry.

It is real!

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 11:31 AM

I cannot say whether the DVD is synched or not. It is common to go in and fix mistakes after the recording of a live show for release on DVD. However, I saw Celtic Woman live last night in Nashville and most of the show was synched. I am recording engineer and 14 year music industry veteran and can tell you that every up tempo tune (vocals and fiddle) was performed to pre-recorded tracks. Not only could you tell visually, the tracks had a different sonic character than the live vocals. The tracks were brighter and much more sibilant. Also, the real fiddle had a much more warm tonality with more string scratch than the tracks. Now, they did appear to sing the more exposed down tempo stuff and Mairead actually played at least one tune. It was pretty obvious when the whistle player strolled across the stage for a solo that there was no microphone in sight (although he appeared to play the rest of the show quite well). Also, during an encore I noticed Chloe dancing in rhythm before the music had started which indicates she had a track in her in-ear monitors. I am unsure about the harp stuff, but I have my doubts.

My question is this: Why do such obviously talented performers (they obviously recorded the backing tracks at some point) feel the need to rely upon tracks?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: guitar
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 11:35 AM

Rip off no question, I mean they are booked to sing live and not mime

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM

Hmm are you privy to the contract details then guitar?
Thats not what I came to say really. I was interested to see how long we were going to confuse the very skilled art of lipsynching with on stage miming. As an ex Broadcasting film dubbing mixer I know the difference. Luckily my high horse is not needed here because guest:guest at 1141 just above showed the detail that a pro enjoys and most observers only notice as an uneasy feeling of unreality.
Lipsynching or post dubbing has been around since the early talking movies. The picture was obviously more important at the time of shooting and is much more controllable. Sound is is a wonderfully complex sensation. The beauty of which is completely cobbled by overhead planes, distant motorways and car horns etc., especially in a period drama or a scene on a desert Island. It is the dubbing mixers art to restore the background required by the writers vision, and to re-record the actors voices in a controlled studio environment carefully adding the correct acoustic.

Oh I'll shut up now I'm waxing poetic, always a bad sign.
Any way Miming on stage is NOT lipsynching. I expect it's yet another accepted word change by common useage. Still, only a few years now to my free bus pass!!

Andy

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 12:53 PM

Some pretty 'convincing' arguements from industry 'pros'. Can't ignore that, however, the eyes don't lie and watching A New Journey closely (haven't seen the Helix show yet so can't comment) will reveal there is no 'miming' on the DVD. As GUEST Kat pointed out, watch the breath (you can actually see it at some points), listen to the breath, and watch the throats, if you will, especailly Lisa Kelly during 'the voice'. It is possible some post dubbing was done to clean up the soundtrack, but when you see the girls singing on stage, that is what you are hearing. I guess this arguement will go on until the end of time, and probably more artists 'mime' than we would like to think, its just that I dont think ANJ falls into this category, and since I have not seen CW in concert, I cannot comment on that (but I know they dont need to). Thank you for listening.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Guest from Atlanta
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 07:59 PM

I just saw Celtic Woman in concert in Atlanta at The Fox THeater, and I truly believe the whole production was a lip sync fest from the voices to the violin, to even the insurments. It went off MEGA Flawlessly but the voices never strained or showed vibrato at the appropriate points. I have actually WRITTEN to Celtic Woman about this and JUST recieved a response and they have written me this. They Deny it whole heartedly. If I am in the wrong I am megaly blown away. Here is what the wrote:

I'm sorry you feel this way, but all of our performers perform live every night. Celtic Woman was conceived as a vehicle to showcase the vocal and musical talents of some of the best performers in Ireland as live each and every night. A lot of work goes into each show, both on stage and off stage to ensure that the show looks and sounds right, vocally, musically and technically. All of the people you see on stage are proficient at their craft, and use their abilities each night to bring the show to life. Mairead, like the other musicians plays her fiddle, and the solo singers, like the choir, sing live.


I hope this has been of help,


Celtic Woman.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 08:32 PM

Ahah! So there you have it! I knew it! See?

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 12:37 PM

Jim, I still think Celtic woman is faking. They may be REALLY singing, but the notes the audience hears are the voices of a pre-recorded studio. I am very disapointed. I see live stuff all the time in shows and there is NO way in hell they are really singing. The violinist violin started playing before her BOW even Hit the strings. Can you explain that? Is there some magical violen that has the ability to do that? I payed $75 for a ticket (plus the one for my date) Celtic Woman is a Fraud. They are beautiful, and I am sure they are good singers. But I didn't expect Millie Vanalie! I wish more people who go to there shows will pay more closely attention so I will have more fans vouch for me. Its a SHAM!! A SHAM I TELLS YA!! A SHAM!!! Down with Fake and UP with Talent!!!

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 12:43 PM

You are right on that one!!! You make an EXCELLENT POINT!! I think they are CLUELESS!!!

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:33 PM

So. You're going to tell my wife then?
I'll hold your jacket.
Like I said before. It's not my bag so I didn't watch enough to know. Next time it's on, I'll have a look.
Good morning all, from the frosty Highlands.
Jim

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:57 PM

Boy, Guest Sam, $75 for seats that close to see when the bow is actually on the strings, great deal. You must have been right on stage with Mairead, Wow! Seriously, could it just be the angle you were sitting at, or maybe your'e just not quite observant enough, or maybe she just has talent (you pick). Perhaps some concert-goers are just not used to talented acts like CW, so if it sounds great, it MUST be fake, right?? FYI - Millie Vanillie wasn't singing, and the pre-recorded voice you heard wasn't even theirs, it was someone else! People need to realize THIS - CW is for real, and they ROCK!!!!!!! A ticket to their show is a BARGAIN AT ANY PRICE !! Bye for now.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 07:05 PM

$75!!! What? Out of my league.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 07:48 PM

Boy, Guest Sam, $75 for seats that close to see when the bow is actually on the strings, great deal. You must have been right on stage with Mairead, Wow! Seriously, could it just be the angle you were sitting at, or maybe your'e just not quite observant enough, or maybe she just has talent (you pick). Perhaps some concert-goers are just not used to talented acts like CW, so if it sounds great, it MUST be fake, right?? FYI - Millie Vanillie wasn't singing, and the pre-recorded voice you heard wasn't even theirs, it was someone else! People need to realize THIS - CW is for real, and they ROCK!!!!!!! A ticket to their show is a BARGAIN AT ANY PRICE !! Bye for now.

Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 08:07 PM

Celtic Woman is the best band in the World!! Soon enough, they will be more recognizable and popular than Tiger Woods !