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Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?

goatfell 15 Feb 18 - 05:13 PM
GUEST,Ingelief 13 Feb 18 - 03:15 PM
GUEST 29 Sep 14 - 05:32 PM
GUEST 29 Sep 14 - 02:32 AM
GUEST,Rahere 28 Sep 14 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,Jason Heuberger 27 Sep 14 - 08:05 PM
GUEST,guest 03 Jun 13 - 01:14 PM
GUEST,Skeptical Fan 09 Dec 12 - 06:26 AM
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Young Buchan 04 Dec 11 - 03:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: goatfell
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 05:13 PM

Answer rip off


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Ingelief
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 03:15 PM

Hello some year ago this thread was live. Idk if anybody reads this??

But im sure that CW is not singing live. Last 2 hours ive read any post above.

Tell me this.. if they are singing the whole concert live why then at the tour believe (dvd maybe?) You see on youtube do they have a head mic?? And some solos or with 2 they get a real hand mic and sing really live.

Why switch mics i few times if the head mic is fine for other songs to sing live.

My idol michael jackson always sung live with a hand mic. When a head mic was on he was dancing he lipsynced.

Not perse a fan. But beyonce mostly sings live and uses a hand mic.

*a call a hand mic a microphone they hold in there hands the long onces.. also uses on a standard.. if they stand behind it.


The headmic also says on if they uses the hand mic in CW.. so its not the mic isnt used after that..

They use the head mic to there face to say thank you. To speak.

For that its fine look al chloe saying thank you or good job.. its way softer then her just singing thats bc the singing wasmt live but done over a pre recorded track.

Then look at meav susan and lisa lambe singing christmas songs. All live all with a Hand mic.

You can tell by this alone its not real!!

Im so angry and upset by it.

I wish they would come clean. That way i could love them maybe but other part is chloe is gone now lisa both of them gone. And david downses is gone. The new group just doesnt do it for me.

Now 1 Q to the person who told story about deirde? Why was she removed added removed ? ??? And why did CW the girls get alomg with it if it was bad management? Why would they accept treating a fellow CW like that ?????


Hope people will react.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 05:32 PM

Why would anyone go to a Celtic Woman concert anyway. They are way over produced and way too slick.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 02:32 AM

Let us know when you come down from your crack high, Jason. That stuff messes up your judgement.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 28 Sep 14 - 01:28 PM

There are so many arguments each way this is just being contentious. Change pitch or tone, your throat IS going to shift as the diaphragm's only the birthplace of the sound, it then passe across the larynx en route for the nasal cavities, normally. On the other hand, how do you knowe they didn't record and film at the same time? Diving for National Pride recalls Dr Johnson's aphorism, but after all's said and done does it matter? If they perform right, then give them their dues.
Sometimes it's impossible, the amount of work done in creating the master: no performance will ever match it. And it'll be impossble to demand a particular Adnams on stage each night...


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Jason Heuberger
Date: 27 Sep 14 - 08:05 PM

I have followed Celtic Woman around for many years now, and have researched each of the artists that are in the group. I have watched videos of them singing at younger ages. I have watched videos of Mairead playing outside of concerts. They are not fake. I have been to their concert previously. By your statement, you make it sound like if something is played perfectly and sung perfectly, then it is fake? So Mozart was fake? Bach was fake? AC/DC was fake? Jackson 5 was fake? I'm also part Irish and I can assure, the Irish are to proud of their musical heritage to even think about faking a live concert. Mairead has been playing for to long to even think about insulting her craft like that. The issue here, is that you people are used to listening to American music that has been vocally corrected on DVD's and CD's so that when you hear them in concert, they sound off key. Celtic Woman, do not hire slobs that can't sing. They take the best of the best. Do you think that just anyone can become part of Celtic Woman? No. You not only insult an amazing group of musicians and singers, but you insult a whole heritage by saying that they are fake. By claiming that their chest movement and mouths are matched up right, so you can out sing them? Or you have experience in any type of musical arena to know what to look for? When a singer is properly singing, there shouldn't be a bunch of body movement from their chest. If there is, they are singing wrong. When you are singing correctly, you are using your diaphragm...which would not make your whole chest move. If your throat is making a bunch of movements, then that means you are not singing from your diaphragm, you are singing from your throat, which would making hitting the high note perfectly, impossible. to properly sing, you would use both your diaphragm and opening your throat as if you were yawning. Doing this would making chest movement minimal and throat movement almost non-existent. If they were faking anything, then out of the millions of people that have heard and seen them in concert, more than 5 or 6 people would be bringing it to the light. That major musical critics have not and currently aren't, stands by itself, as evidence that they are not faking their concerts.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 01:14 PM

I just went on YouTube an hour ago and played the song Seven Drunken Nights from the Celtic Thunder Voyage CD on an IPod. I clicked it at the same time and it sounded exactly the same!!!!! Either they did record it at that moment for the CD or put in the CD then they moved their lips to make it look live even though it might not be.







I am SO Confused!!!!!!
Please help!!!!!
Guest:)


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Skeptical Fan
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 06:26 AM

I discovered this forum when I did a Google search to see if there was anything about the Celtic Woman violinist being a fake onstage because I am convinced her performances are indeed faked. I just wanted confirmation of that.

Let me also state that I continue to be a fan of Celtic Woman and I don't want to bring them down. I own two of their DVD's, two of their CD's, and I have seen them live in concert once. I have never sensed that the singers were lip syncing but I feel the violinist is faking her performance.

Since I played the viola for years, I have a pretty good sense of finger and bow movements. Before seeing Celtic Woman play live, I had no inkling whatsoever that there might be any faking going on, but when I saw the violinist performing I started to sense a disconnect and the closer I looked the more convinced I was. The movements of the bow and a close look at where her fingers are on the strings while the notes are being played seem clearly to be unsynchronized, not to mention that I don't think it's possible to get that quality of perfect sound when flitting across the stage as she does. They put on a nice show and the music is terrific, but I believe the violinist is a fake.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 08:06 PM

(continued from the last post) the few songs we could tell they were singing, were dead on and amazing. That was only a few, like one song each, that MOST of the song was sung and not 'looped' in. Ave Maria puts chills up my spine and ALL of it sung. That being said, still worth seeing for the entertainment value and to see these few songs. My suggestion, DON'T sit up close! You will be aggravated at the difference since you will see when they are singing and when they mouth the words! St in the back and take in the whole show, it really was great!


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 07:57 PM

I was just at the Celtic Women's performance here in Tampa and was in the second row, center. My father and stepmother treated my husband and i for Valentine's. Amazing seats!! I was not familiar with the group but I had heard of them, and within the first minute of the first song, my husband and I looked at each other and whispered, 'is this fake?' The short and the long of it, as I have read most of the posts above is yes they ARE lip syncing- you hear the difference when it is the recorded track and then they are truly singing when they aren't dancing around the stage and it's a solo or just two of them. When they are singing without any musical instruments playing loudly, yes they are truly singing- we could hear their voices a split second before it came on the speakers, and you could see the difference as to the throat muscles moving, etc. exactly what you read above in other posts. And the violin player (bad, I don't know their names, right? she is spritely little thing and who runs across the stage, playing her bow right over her long hair and the song sounds perfect. Um, sorry, don't by it. I feel like I saw her hands not moving in time to the song either, and I don't need to play the violin to think that.. the annoying part of this whole thing is, that this is what my husband and I couldn't help focus on!! My dad and stepmother loved it, maybe cause they couldn't see what we saw and need glasses, (NO insult meant to fans!) Listen, the girls are beautiful, it was entertaining, they sang Danny Boy for goodness sake! But as the Celtic Women, please call it what it is, a Great Show instead of trying to make it seem like a true singing performance. If you are gonna lie, do it better when ignorance can be bliss. ;)


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Cat - Arkansas Fan
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 05:05 PM

As a fan of Celtic Woman for several years now, I have always enjoyed their music. However, I have been very disheartened to hear some of the things on this message thread. I can totally understand (as when Chloe recently went on stage with 103 degree fever) why the need for a voice recording could be necessary. I can also understand how the need for a break on some of the numbers would help the ladies' voices, as they perform numerous shows in 3 months. That being said, however, I do also believe that if you pay money to see someone perform live, then that is what you should get. Live vocals, live music, etc. I also know how disappointed I as well as every other fan would be if someone were to walk out and say "Oh we are sorry but Chloe won't be performing tonight because she has a sore throat." Her presence on stage is part of the enjoyment of the concert. We all know that they can sing. That's obvious. So maybe a helpful friendly suggestion to the people of CW would put all of this to rest. Schedule half the shows in that same time period and give the performers breaks between the shows. Don't make an impossible schedule that they cannot physically and vocally keep up with. Then we would get to see truly live performances, and I'm sure the performers would feel more satisfaction in what they are bringing to the stage.
In conclusion, these people are human and not super human. They cannot be perfect and kudos to them for adding a little stage "magic" to help give that illusion. But for those used to going to 100% live concerts, I can understand the complaint. And I guess if you have such a problem with it then you should choose not to go...and for those of us that like the experience we will continue to go.
Not saying I believe or don't believe what some have stated...but it's a performance...not a country music concert with a band. You have to expect some things like this.
That's all I have to say! Love to Lisa K and Lisa L and Chloe and Mairead, and welcome to Susan.. keep up the good work and see you in Little Rock in April


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 11 - 09:53 PM

Where there's smoke there's fire.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Baz Bowdidge
Date: 04 Dec 11 - 08:54 AM

As the Youtube uploader said in 2009 - 'You decide'
Click here


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Young Buchan
Date: 04 Dec 11 - 03:58 AM

I have a solution that should keep everyone happy. The answer is for those whose real talent appears to be lip synching, to leave the music world to those who actually want to really sing, and retraining as lip speakers. Lip speakers, unlike lip synchers, are usful members of the community who accompany non-signing Deaf people to lectures, public meetings etc where the speaker may be too far away to lipread, or frequently changes, and relay the speech with clear lip pattern to the Deaf person.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Kate
Date: 04 Dec 11 - 02:36 AM

I like the Celtic Women. THis does not stop me from pointing out the obvious. The fiddler here cannot be making that specific quality of sound we hear when she spins and flips so wildly around while playing----ask a top notch violinist--or top notch violin teacher. Look at the physics and science of the violin. To get the smooth connected sound she is supposedly making at all times, the bow must be in contact with the string in that "sweet spot"---among other factors, the bow must be closer to the bridge than hers is when she spins and flips. Her bow is way down on the tailpiece most of the time when she spins--and that is not surprising--in the act of spinning one's bow would not be able to stay that steady at all moments. Shame on you violinists on this thread who say the sound is all hers! Actually, I guess some violinists here actually said she is "really playing" and that I do agree with. SHe is most certainly playing it--but clearly her mike is off and the sound we hear is at the least mixed with her live playing, or may be entirely pre-recorded.   I don't know and I don't really care how they're doing this, but I really do care about the violin--and spreading misconceptions about the nature of this instrument and the physics of its sound.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 08:29 AM

It's fraud simple as that


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Michael
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 04:33 AM

They lip-sync. In every concert of theirs I've ever seen, they are pretending to sing, but are clearly not singing.

Some people aren't very perceptive and will be taken in by the fact that they are very well-rehearsed, and manage to get close to the timing. But they are most certainly not singing - at all. They aren't making a sound.

When it is billed as a live concert - which all of the Celtic Women concerts are - this is extremely dishonest. many people go to concerts precisely because they want to hear the imperfect, raw sound of the artist, rather than the flawless, polished, double and triple-layered performance of video clips and CDs.

Celtic Woman are frauds. Liars and frauds. One imagines that to stage such an elaborate fraud - instead of just SING - they must sound really quite atrocious together.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Anna
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 11:41 PM

Hey, I noticed in the video recording of "sky and the dawn and the sun" There's a part near the beginning with the "da da da"s where I think it's Chloe and Hayley singing together in harmony, but on the cd it's just chloe. Anyone know what I'm talking about? How is that explained?


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:25 AM

This reminds me of "Silent Movie."


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: PHJim
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:19 AM

"Miming" is acting out a story or scene using body motions. We already have a perfectly good term, "lip-synching" to indicate mouthing the words of a song to a pre-recorded sound track, so why give a new meaning to another word.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 11:43 PM

"One singer, don't know his name actually overcompensates by gyrating his face and mouth so you maybe can't see. Sad thing."

Maybe so, but that was no good reason to sing, "They're Flying High on the Saddle Tonight" at a church Sunday School picnic, imo.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,marty
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 11:15 PM

They should be called Celtic Blunder! You know, you pay high prices for concert tickets and get nothing better than a magic act and it's cheaper to get the cd and enjoy at home. I'm not a fan any more since I've just watched PBS and seen for my own eyes the lips moving but the music does not go with the lips or the breaths. One singer, don't know his name actually overcompensates by gyrating his face and mouth so you maybe can't see. Sad thing.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,DP Kid
Date: 14 Mar 11 - 02:44 PM

Well CW is about to visit Pgh Pa again and as much as I love their music, I guess I won't be going to see them:( I just can't justify paying $160 for 2 tickets to watch some of my favorite performers lip-synch songs that they previously recorded . Makes me sad because I really love their music. While I know that many other performers have also lip-synched their material I can't afford to pay that much money for a fake performance. In the event that any of CW cast happen to read this, please know that I would love to talk to you and share my appreciation of your musical talents and also ask you to be up front about your performance so that real working folks know that what they are seeing isn't an actual live performance but a rendition of what a real performance is meant to be. ( talk about a run on sentence ) Sorry.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM

It's obvious Celtic Women are li-syncing; so are Celtic Thunder and and Andre Riu and all that other junk PBS telecasts. How are we to know for sure if Celtics can really sing or are they just picked for their looks? The violin player is a joke, running around and never missing a note, Phoney baloney. It is indeed a big cheat. I can't believe the faces of all those simpletons in the audiences, taking in the big con.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Not Wilde
Date: 20 May 10 - 07:27 PM

We paid good dollars to see CW in Calgary. We took binoculars. The visuals and sound were nice but it was quite obvious the concert was a fraud. The violin music kept going when the bow stopped and we noticed them singing with their mouths closed several times. Quite a feat. A good video would have been a lot less expensive. Also, the one looks like she would rather be a country western singer with her arm waving, hip jiggling and what looked like squats pushing her knees out under her dress. The others weren't doing that. What is their choreographer doing? The crowd loved them.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,DP Kid
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 06:10 PM

The songs and artists are fantastic. Went to a show in Pgh Pa. That's when I first noticed that every single song matched what I have listened to on PBS without the slightest variation. I remarked to my wife, that there was no way that they were singing live. As I forked out a fair amount of coin for their concert I felt somewhat cheated.   I might just as well have stayed home and watched the production on youtube.   This is most likely my last "concert" and CW should consider at least giving me a few DVDs / CDs to compensate me for what basically amounts to fraud. Too bad as I actually have fallen for the girls.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:04 PM

Very slightly off thread.

Yesterday I was an extra in a Madd Damon movie being shot in NYC. His part was as a politician. The person introducing him to the "audience" did his speech out loud when they were recording. Later, when they were only doing different angles and visuals, he "synced" to himself so that his timing was right for his movements. A really beautiful job, especially as it was his first job as a member of the Screen Actor's Guild.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 10:46 PM

No, there is no Auto tune. You would be able to hear it if there was. They really do have fantastic voices but they definitely do lip sync.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,kyserkess
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 06:02 PM

I am a music engineer and producer and there is no way to get those vocals from the microphones they use or in those placements. I googled this because it is such a mockery music and live performance that it really disgusts me. Someone mentioned Madonna, and I come to think of Michael Jackson as well, but these are global first class stars that people want to see in person and dancing. Their music and vocals became so engineered later on in their career that it would be almost impossible for them to sing live, especially with their dancing coriography. HOWEVER, this Celtic Woman bolony has women just standing on stage lip syncing songs that they did not write. WHY?! The world is full of talented people that could perform these songs live, which IS the reason people go to see a live performance. They call it a CONCERT, and that is FRAUD and it should be tried in court. Some people said their children enjoy it, but children enjoy puppets. This whole production is an insult to real musicians, singers, and performers and extra insulting to have Irish people patronising Americans. If you admire this then you do not have any real appreciation for art and you have been conned. PBS should pull this off of the air immediatly and get back to allowing talent back on the airwaves.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 09 - 03:04 AM

As a singing teacher, I'm fairly sure that Celtic Woman lip-synch many of their songs. Don't get me wrong, I love their music and I think that they're all fantastic musicians, but you can tell that many of their songs are not live. If you watch their chests (not in that way lol) when breathing it's easiest to see; when you can hear that they're taking huge breaths on the audio it never matches up to the tiny movement in their chests and throat. If you look at classical singer who always sing live (ie Sarah Brightman), they will take huge, quick breaths moving their entire diaphragm. Professional singers - particularly classically trained singers - have extraordinary control and use of their diaphragms BUT you will always see a lot of movement when they're breathing, which leads me to believe that Celtic Woman lip-synching. Also, as classically trained singers they use much vibrato, however their throats seldom move... how strange...


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,artists500
Date: 16 Mar 09 - 03:07 PM

Friends convinced me to go to Celtic Woman Isle of Hope last Friday, March 13, 2009 at Radio City Music Hall. Like I've read in previous posts, much of the show seemed prerecorded, in particular the dancing violin nymphet ("will she do the splits do you think?" my friend asked), and some orchestral sounds that weren't represented by actual musical instruments onstage. The critic who thought Nadja (who of course actually PLAYS HER INSTRUMENT) should tone down her movements while performing would probably really enjoy the (traditionally gender-correct) movements of the Celtic women, who act either like little girls (violin player) or women from some super-conservative culture dancing for their first time at the county fair, all the while singing over prerecorded sound. I cannot believe I paid money for this. They need to JUST TRY the show a few times live, and see if it works. They did nail that Enya song


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Nicola
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 12:47 PM

Slightly off the CW topic, but relevant because we decided between them and Lord of the Dance (both expensive, had to choose one). We chose Lord of the Dance. I have never been so disappointed. The entire thing was lip AND foot synced. If that makes sense. The dance steps were PIPED IN! I almost left at intermission, but my son (5) was enjoying it so much and had no idea that it was all fake, so we stayed. The entire thing, from singing to foot falls to violins, was FAKE. All played over the speakers. WHAT A RIP OFF!


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Gr8MomInMichigan
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 09:35 AM

My daughter and I saw CW at the Fox in Detroit Friday night (2/20/09). It was our second time to see them.

Even after our first concert, I had my suspicions due to the fact that the musicians on stage did not match that needed to produce the sound I was hearing. Then I started paying closer attention to Mairead. I realized very early that her movements with the bow would be producing far different results if her microphone were on.

I didn't have the heart to mention my suspicions to my daughter who LOVES them.

Don't get me wrong, I really did enjoy the concerts, both at the Palace and this weekend's at the Fox. This concert I sat closer and we truly able to see when Mairead's mic was on and when it wasn't. A few instances, she actually hesitates bowing to wait for the audio that she has to match. It also appears that she plays live to a few songs at the very end. The sound of her violin is very different for those songs.

I am sure that the reason they have decided to do this is so that the audience gets the greatest performance possible.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: paula t
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 01:02 PM

A few years ago I went to a "Party in the park" concert. I was really angry to see that the majority of the pop artists mimed. I felt conned and patronised.
I finally cheered up when one of the singers came on stage and began with an apology...."Unfortunately, I can't mime - so I'm going to have to sing live." Loud cheers from this old fogie in the audience! Thank-you Darren Hayes! Jamelia also sang live. Both artistes gave a flawless performance.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 08:10 PM

Concert violin virtuoso and now teacher, Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg moves a lot when she plays, including grimacing, frowning, smiling, and generally indicating that she's really into the music. Some critic gave her a ration of grief over the way she looked when playing, so in her next performance, she tried to keep from moving or making faces. She said that she listened to a tape of the concert afterwards and it was dull and lifeless compared to the way she usually plays. So she went back to her normal practice of "letting it all hang out," and she was back in the groove again. She wasn't there to please the critics, she was there to represent the composer as best she knew how, and to please the audience.

But what Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg wasn't just hopping, skipping, and dancing, she was really immersed in the emotions of what she was playing. When she literally "leans into it," it goes along with her bow strokes and what else she's doing. What she does on stage is far different from the happy-skippy dancing that I saw on the Celtic Woman show.

I think you can tell just by watching.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Amber
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 07:35 PM

I saw Celtic Woman in concert, and it simply didn't look to me like the violinist was really playing. I can't explain it, but there was just something off in her bow strokes. Also, I just don't believe that someone can dance around like that yet have the stability and control necessary to play the violin well. Even with my shoulder rest, I doubt that I could play through one song while slightly hopping in place, much less dancing around. Admittedly I'm not as good as the Celtic Woman violinist, but I do have some experience, and I just don't believe it. I'd have to not only see it, but see it up close to believe it. If there were several violin experts, virtuosos who weighed in and told me that it was possible, I might be swayed, but not from the show I saw.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 04:16 PM

I know I'm laying my head on the chopping block here, but my acquaintance with this concert was through a PBS telecast during one of their periodic pledge breaks ("begathons"). When I saw "Celtic Woman," I thought of women singers and musicians from "The Six Celtic Nations" singing folk songs or songs associated with those regions. Songs and music with a little substance. Silly me!

I see an ensemble of quite attractive young women, but I wasn't expecting what turned out to be breathy renditions of such songs as "Over the Rainbow," "Ave Maria," and "Ashoken Farewell" (which, rather than Celtic, was written for the Kem Burns Civil War documentary mini-series).

Quite lovely. But . . . bland.

I put this particular telecast in the same category as other shows that PBS chronically schedules for pledge breaks:    André Rieu, Josh Groban, Yanni, the Doo-Wop Special, Doctor Who marathons, and self-improvement programs such as Wayne Dyer and the brain scientist who spends two hours plus (interrupted by opportunities to call in with your pledge) turning your brain to mush by telling you how to keep your brain from turning to mush.

If you watch PBS because of shows like Masterpiece Theatre and Mystery and Nova and Nature and Frontline, why do they think that the kind of pap they serve up for pledge breaks (which preempts the shows you do want to watch) is going to induce you to throw more money at them? Or induce new viewers to watch on the basis of "Celtic Woman" or Wayne Dyer, or André Rieu and his orchestra, his pleasant-sounding but somewhat pedestrian violin playing, and his slightly pained smile that makes him look as if his hemorrhoids are bothering him, when these specials are not characteristic of their regular programming?

Anyway. . . .

Much Ado About Nothing.
          —William Shakespeare

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: goatfell
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 09:04 AM

if I was going to a concert I would expect the artist the perform live I mean that's their job I don't want to spen a fortune listening to some cd playing in the bacground I could do that at home and save money and time


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Fossil
Date: 31 Jan 09 - 04:19 AM

Lip-synching, amendment of concert sound, miming, whatever you call it is *always* a rip-off. If you can't see (and hear) the musicians sweating and making mistakes, you are *not* listening to live music and you might as well have saved your cash and stayed at home to listen to the CD. In the creation of which perfect sound is expected and multi-tracking and digital massaging and all the other tricksy bits that sound engineers can get up to is acceptable IMHO.

And there are *far* too many Guests on this thread, so I suspect that whatever consensus may be emerging will be about as reliable as CW's sound in concert...


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Homealone
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:45 PM

Exciting news !!!! Celtic Woman is starting their 'Isle of Hope' tour on Feb.11., so be sure to check out their live show (emphasis on the word 'live') if you can. You'll be glad you did, it's definately a life changing experience. Also, I heard they will have a new DVD out this year, although where it will be filmed is anyone's guess at this point.   I'm in Heaven !   Cheers.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Rich
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 11:16 PM

"Oh the one thing that pissed me off and the mugs you are refering to was the products that one member was selling with Lisas picture on it that he had printed up. That violated copywrite laws up the wazooo and Danielle amoung others were very unhappy about it."

Ah, good ol' Tony rears his head. (By the way, Tony, it's "copyright." Still fighting that losing battle with the English language, huh?)

Yes, I was the one selling the mugs on Lisa's old forum. The picture on them was a scan of my own, original artwork, so I'm not sure just what "copywrite" laws I violated. Lisa thought the idea was funny and cute, and the proceeds from the sales were donated to charity. Note that this accusation is coming form a guy who continued posting attacks on CW on that forum after Lisa specifically asked him not to. When he shows up at a CW concert, the tour manager has security keep an eye on him because they're afraid he may be dangerous. Anything Tony has to say should be taken with a large grain of salt.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: goatfell
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 03:43 PM

Lip synching is a rip off.

Madonna does it and all the pop stars do it as well, paying ££££'s to watch someone mime to a cd, I could do that in my house and not pay a thing


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 06:57 PM

Yes it is fake. The vocals are just too perfect with not even one tiny flaw in them. It's especially obvious when they sing together and everything is too perfectly in tune to be real.

In fact, it's worse than just lip syncing.
On the vocals recorded in the studio (and played at live performances) they used something called Autotune, which basicly makes your voice hit the perfect pitch.

It's so fake it's not even funny, yet everyone falls for it, and will continue to do so.
It's still beautiful tho.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Bernard
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 11:47 AM

Oh!


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,Josue G from Chicago
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 11:06 PM

I couldnt care less about these ladies to be honest....i mean yes, their voices are beautiful, and the slightly chubby one with the blond hair is gorgeous buuut every time im up late with nothing better to do and their "special" is on, I watch closely to see if there is any lip synching going down. I can pause and rewind my tivo a good 25 times throughout each show and catch the sound of fully breathing when they barely open their mouth, the violinist missing a full chord, the percussionists drumming late ect. I dont care wether its just for certain tv performances or not, the simple fact is that you shouldnt be subject to paying the same amount of money to hear a live performance and also to listen to a cd in a concert hall. ONE time is enough for me to doubt their honesty and for anyone to know this information and still pay an arm and a leg to go see them in "concert" is really making a fool of themself. Who knows, maybe all you defending them are just so well off that your not concerned about money, but as a college student with a part time job i wouldnt waste my time.I have a sister who is an advancing singer(and a damn good one at that) and she loves these ladies. I felt bad that i had to burst her bubble.. that she"ll never sound like that on stage or ANYBODY will for that matter. It should be a major dissappointment to their fans and anybody who says otherwise is just in plain denial. Look at the jonas brothers for instance,(i also couldnt care less anout them as well, but my sister is a fan)they SUCK at singing, but they still have the balls to go out there and give their fans a good HONEST performance, and look how far it's taken them. Stop "defending" the celtic woman, they dont need or want you to im 100% sure of this. The fact that they havent replied to anyones questions regarding the subject only shows that they dont want to lie on paper, they would much rather just do it on stage. Its a moral dilemma for them I guess...but I wouldnt waste my time or money on their morality. The only reason im responding to this now is because i feel the need to set people straight on common sense and because i have nothing better to do annnd at the moment nobody has called me regarding a party yet. peace out homies!


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,JKL
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:23 PM

That's absurd...there will be someone to reply to your email, rest assured. The least you can do is try, unless you don't really want to know the truth, that is.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 06:27 PM

Everyone knows that Celtic Woman is far too busy preparing for their upcoming fall USA Tour to respond to emails as lame as 'Do you lip-synch ?'. Besides, anyone who has seen the DVD or seen them 'live' knows that it is not true.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: GUEST,JKL
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:20 AM

I have a suggestion, why don't those who still refuse to accept that the Celtic Woman "live" DVD is lip-synched write to the CW producers directly, and ask them if the DVD is lip-synched or not? This way you will get the reply directly from them. The email address is info@celticwoman.com .

As far as Pavarotti lip-synching it's well documented, do a search and see for yourself. In fact he was sued by the BBC in 1992 for selling them a taped "concert" which turned out to be dubbed. Regards, JKL


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: AWG
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:52 PM

Ha Ha, it lives on. I thought we all agreed already that CW does NOT lip synch. Tony, welcome back, hope things are good up there in Alaska.


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Subject: RE: Lip-synching: Art or Rip-off?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:16 PM

Wait a minute, wait a minute!!

Pavarotti lip-synching?

Documentation please!

Don Firth


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