BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?

Subject: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 01:07 PM

Jeans and t-shirts have been replaced with jail uniforms; children are issued uniforms as soon as they can fit into them — and everyone must wear name tags, even the babies.

Lawyers are reporting that thefamiliess are receiving substandard medical care and becoming ill from the food being served them. Children are losing weight and people are complaining of migraine-type headaches.

http://latinalista.blogspot.com/2006/12/privatized-immigrant-detention.html

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 01:57 PM

Oh, good, just what we need, another conspiracy theory touted by an anonymous guest linking to highly suspect blog sources.

[sigh]

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Amos
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 02:27 PM

May you get a life in the coming year.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:10 PM

TROLL ALERT!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST,Gza
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:20 PM

What the heck, the vast USA prison system already in place is a network of concentration camps anyway. No other democracy imprisons such a large number of its own people, and the prisons have been turned into a profit-seeking enterprise. That guarantees abuse and further expansion of what is already a social monstrosity.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:26 PM

I think the Guest is referring to the T Don Hutto unit 'detention centre' in Taylor, Texas. Two families are presently being represented by John Wheat Gibson, PC. The information is freely available from the i'net. I think the title a bit 'grand', but then it seems the issue is one that needs attention from Americans who still believe their country should have reasonable civil rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:38 PM

If (and it's a big if) one grants that people who enter the US without proper papers should be deported when caught, something like this is unfortunately necessary. This facility (and it is certainly not a "concentration camp") houses illegal entrants who are waiting for a deportation hearing; Mexican nationals are not housed here - they are bussed to the border and tailgated. Prior to the opening of this facility and others like it (a brief web search indicates that there are either one or two others), individuals like these were released pending their hearings and, surprisingly, very few ever showed up.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:41 PM

LOL! It'd be downright amazing if ANY showed up, seems to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 06:58 PM

" No other democracy imprisons such a large number of its own people, "

maybe so....how 'bout we let 'em out and send 'em YOUR way? Or maybe you have better ideas what to do with lawbreakers.

That is a ***statistic***, not an explanation of anything.
The USA is a large democracy, with a large # of people who have committed crimes (drugs are a major problem these days...and a lot of the drugs come from OTHER countries...we could bomb Afghanistan & Columbia and we might have fewer drugs...[he said facetiously])

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:06 PM

Yeah, Bill, and you know who pipelines those drugs in in military transport aircraft and makes the deals with the foreign drug lords to do so? The CIA, that's who. And you know why? Because it's a fantastic way of secretly raising billions of dollars for the US government annually without any way of anyone auditing it.

Go to fromthewilderness.com and read all about it. Watch the videos of talks about it by a former LAPD police detective who is clearly a very smart and dedicated man with a lot of courage. Enjoy yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:27 PM

On August 22, for LinkTV and Democracy Now! we videotaped the thousands of Katrina evacuees still held behind a barbed wire in a trailer park encampment a hundred miles from New Orleans. It's been a year since the hurricane and 73,000 POW's (Prisoners of W) are still in this aluminum ghetto in the middle of nowhere. One resident, Pamela Lewis said, "It is a prison set-up" -- except there are no home furloughs for these inmates because they no longer have homes.

To give a sense of the full flavor and smell of the place, we wanted to show that this human parking lot, with kids and elderly, is nearly adjacent to the Exxon Oil refinery, the nation's second largest, a chemical-belching behemoth.

So we filmed it. Without Big Brother's authorization. Uh, oh. Apparently, the broadcast of these stinking smokestacks tipped off Osama that, if his assassins pose as poor Black folk, they can get a cramped Airstream right next to a "critical infrastructure" asset.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0609/S00161.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:42 PM

And where might one view the video?

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:49 PM

Guest,Gza, I don't know if you are correct, but for arguments sake I'll agree. Maybe the corollary is that in no other democracy are there so many criminals. Also, as a percent of population how does the US rank in numbers incarcerated?

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 09:52 PM

and just WHY should I take the word of fromthewilderness.com, OR a " former LAPD police detective who is clearly... very smart"? for such a claim? Who tells the CIA to do such ridiculous things? Is the CIA buying these drugs? And who is SELLING them to make these billions?

It's so easy to make claims about 'secret' projects of various US govt. agencies when you don't have to 'prove' anything.....just accusing some already secretive agency seems to be enough. If all this amazing information is available to YOU on the internet, why doesn't it get wider distribution?...Oh...right...I forgot, the news agencies are intimidated or paid off. (You gotta tie up the loose ends with obvious insinuations!)

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: number 6
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 10:42 PM

"No other democracy imprisons such a large number of its own people, and the prisons have been turned into a profit-seeking enterprise."

Interesting statement Gza .... there is a lot of truth in that statement.

If I'm correct and maybe LH can verify this ... the jail for the Simcoe country region in Ontario (located near Penetang) is a privately run institution.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 11:13 PM

Here ya go, number 6:

Prisoner Killed at Private Prison

"May. 6, 2004.
Inmate killed in private prison
RICHARD BRENNAN AND BETSY POWELL
TORONTRO STAR STAFF REPORTERS

An inmate has been stabbed to death at Ontario's only privately run provincial prison, officials confirmed yesterday. "There was a stabbing, the inmate was taken to hospital and he died and there is currently an investigation into the incident," said Adrian Dafoe, a spokesperson for Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter.

Central North Correctional Centre in Penetanguishene has been dogged by controversy, including health and safety issues, since the maximum-security jail opened in November, 2001."

from here.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 12:42 AM

A U.S. private enterprise runs that correctional centre in Penetang (Canada) ... somehow it goes to prove "the prisons have been turned into a profit-seeking enterprise."

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 12:54 AM

Now, Bill... (grin) You know, or I hope you do, that most people believe whatever they heard first about anything...and after that they defend it tenaciously. Also, they tend to discount any evidence which appears not to support their already familiar position on the matter.

Why should you believe what's on fromthewilderness.com? Well, instead of asking me that, which is an essentially useless question, why don't you just investigate it yourself by going there...listen to a whole lecture that man gives about his experiences in the LAPD trying to fight the drug trade and the CIA at the same time...and then come back to me about it.

That would take patience, Bill. Be prepared to spend at least an hour watching a video of one of his public meetings where he explains the whole thing to ordinary American citizens, in exquisite detail, naming names, and explaining just how it is done, and why.

Or else, just fall back on your usual opinion. That's what most folks do.

"If anyone else thought of it, and I didn't, it must be wrong." That's the standard reaction of most people. It's what makes the Internet such an aggravating place to express opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 07:48 AM

There has been some move to try and 'privatise' prisons in Oz...

Oh, and look up the furore about the 'privatised' new tunnel under Sydney Harbour... been in the news a lot... even in a TV ad for the Accountants Org, - a shot of the tunnel entrance with very few cars entering, and the words "Never underestimate the importance of numbers"...

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: 3refs
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 08:52 AM

There used to be 2 "for profit" correctional institutions in central Ontario.
The one in Penetanguishene(it's proper name)is a perfect example of how not to house inmates. Corruption and abuse are very prevalent.

The other was called "Project Turnaround". It was for young offenders, up to the age of 18. They did a commendable job of trying to rehabilitate, as opposed to punish.

More later!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 11:05 AM

You are correct 3refs, Penetanguishene is the proper name ... us locals (being originally from that area) just call it Penetang.

"Project Turnaround" ... that wasn't the boot camp for young offenders that they eventually closed down due to the result of a death was it?

Now ... back to the incredibly large population of 'prisoners' in the U.S. ... This is absolutely tragic. The U.S. is the bastion of democracy and opportunity in the world. Why should there be so much crime? .... why so many prisoners? The answer to that is due to the direct result of a very, very profitable global business. The U.S. has a very large market for this business. The 'corporate heads' of that business are not part of that prison population.

Yes ... a lot of $money$ is to be made in correctional institutions .... paralleled only by the amount of $money$ to be made in war.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 11:41 AM

" Be prepared to spend at least an hour watching a video of one of his public meetings..."
.....and an hour or two or three on 27 OTHER conspiracy theories. There are people getting paid very good money to analyze 'news' of this nature, and others who do it as a serious hobby with no built-in agenda. I feel that after *I* have *conspiracy alarms* go off, MY time is much better spent reading the synopses by trusted experts. There is not enough time in my life to personally follow all the threads of all the wild claims I read on the internet..(or even, ahem, in Mudcat threads).
I already understand the way logical errors are introduced by careless reasoning, innuendo & circumstantial evidence are substituted for fact and subjective guesswork employed to fill in inconvenient blanks....and when I see that sort of pattern, I will seldom waste time personally going thru the tedious task of proving a negative. It is up to the accusers to PROVE their claims, not to overwhelm me with stuff like: "it is obvious that" 'puffs of smoke' in a fuzzy picture prove 'controlled detonation'.

Having said all that, I am aware that occasionally, there ARE events that need to be investigated. The Mei Lei massacre in Viet Nam, Abu Graib in Iraq, Enron...etc...and when real evidence is found, real investigations proceed!
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"If anyone else thought of it, and I didn't, it must be wrong." That's the standard reaction of most people."

That, sir, is a classic "straw man" mixed with an ad hominem. That is NOT the way 'most people' react; nor is it the way most of these theories are propagated. Sadly, there are folks out there who think the opposite..."If some clever fellow thought of it, and I missed it, he must be RIGHT!" It is an easy path from "I don't LIKE our leaders because they are incompetent & self-centered" to "Our leaders are running vast, evil, secret conspiracies which prey on their own people."

Sorry...but I'll take my chances sorting out REAL problems (of which there are many) from those 'claimed' in threads like this...

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 11:56 AM

"The U.S. is the bastion of democracy and opportunity in the world. Why should there be so much crime? .... why so many prisoners? The answer to that is due to the direct result of a very, very profitable global business. The U.S. has a very large market for this business."

No, that is NOT "the answer"! That is a gross oversimplification of the situation. The U.S. loses far more from criminals running loose than they ever could make by exploiting prisons!! Some prisons try to have programs to keep from LOSING too much money, but YOU need to show ME which ones run at a profit!

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 12:45 PM

I too disagree with your premise, Little Hawk. If you were right we would all believe the same things our parents believed- and a great many people do not.

The part of conspiracy per se that I have a LOT of difficulty with believing is that all vast conspiracy turns upon a great many people being in on it, people who are out to 'get you' and who are willing to employ any means to do so- and keep their silence. It is not logical, and it is not in line with the human beings I love and understand.

That extends to the media- it is easy to say -and believe - that they are in on the conspiracy. But that too is not logical. Many, many reporters are alert to any opportunity to make their mark. They too want to go down in history.

Every once in a while I have an epiphany, an enlightening event that stays with me.

I once was housesitting for a friend. One morning while I was out walking her dog I paused and watched the traffic going to work on the double highway a quarter mile away. It was steady (an average 14 cars between red lights, which is Juneau's version of heavy traffic) but there were no accidents, no close calls, no screeching tires.

And then it hit me- those cars were filled with people, many of whom I knew, some of them my neighbors, ALL of them human beings who shared the planet with me, people who wanted the same satisfactions out of life that I want, people who are saddened by the same losses.

How could I not love them?

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 12:55 PM

Well, that's a beautiful thought, Ebbie. Good for you.

Bill? Who ARE the "trusted experts"? And what made you decide to trust them, rather than somebody else? I mean, hey, give me some names... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 12:59 PM

If there wasn't a profit, Corrections Corporation of America and Wackenhut Corrections Corporation wouldn't be in the business.

BTW ... I should clarify the profitable global business I mentioned is the world's drug trade. No conspiracy theory here. Just Big Business out there making big $money$. Hell why not create a spinoff (Tax writeoff) business in private correctional institutions.

Yeah I agree Bill the prisons and such are over loaded and many more bad guys walk the streets of the U.S ... isn't this a tragedy of the American society in itself. I don't mean this as a critical snipe at the U.S.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:08 PM

we had labour camps here in Britain, and what about when America was at war, tell the Japanese that these camps you stuck them in didn't exist.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:22 PM

The $ySStem talks out of both sides of its mouth when it comes to the conditions that spawn crime.

Look, it works kind of like this:

My town council where I live is purportedly in favour of people parking legally and paying when they park at a meter. Right? Uh-huh. ;-) And they hire a goodly number of "Green Hornets" (parking ticket cops) to go around and make sure you do...or if you don't, they ticket you.

Well, the sad truth is this: They NEED people, lots of people, to park illegally and they NEED even more people whose meters expire or who don't pay........so the city can rake in a MUCH LARGER amount of money in fines than the money they would get if everyone parked legally!!!!! So their real interests are served by people breaking the law and getting caught! Furthermore, all those Green Hornets would be out of a job if everyone normally parked legally. And that would be another kick in someone's balls, wouldn't it?

The $ySStem is set up to both openly condemn crime and subtly encourage it (by default) because that makes money and employs people and provides scope for enlarging $ySStem budgets and $ySStem infrastructure.

In the same way the military $ySStem is set up to encourage and perpetuate war....while simultaneously claiming to be against war and only interested in "defence". Ha! Ha! Ha! That's a good one.

In the same way the drug laws are set up to encourage and perpetuate an enormous international illegal drug trade, give support to enormous crime syndicates, and set up enormous law enforcement and other government structures in regards to a supposed "war on drugs", and it's just one hand washing the other, because it all works together to the benefit of crime and to the detriment of the public.

It's the most self-serving lot of hypocritical nonsense I've ever heard of, and you find it happening just about everywhere. And it's all driven by one thing: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And that one thing is a fiction. Money is a made-up idea about something that is actually worth nothing until all the people agree to pretend it's worth something, and then they set about seeing how they can screw each other over to get more of it.

It's a religion. And a really, really stupid one too. But we all serve it, because without that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ you are a helpless outcast with little or no hope of survival.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:23 PM

Just because jobs are outsourced & places of work are privatized does not mean that they're making a profit. It could be that the owners (local, state & federal governments in the case of prisons-in the US) are just paying more for something they no longer feel or want to do. Therefore it could be costing the tax payer a lot more money but who cares. It then becomes profitable to those that do want to run the prisons for the possible profits that can be made. So does liability fall on the heads of the private companies running the prisons or upon the penal system responsible which should be overseeing them in the first place? Kind of like Abu Giraud & Guantanamo. Who's minding the store?

As to the overcrowding & the high numbers of inmates, for one the desire to rehabilitate is missing & there's always been a great push to punish & remove the potential undesirables from the general population. The rate of repeat offenders is very high who really cares? Of those convicted of drug related crimes, very few get any drug treatment. If one is convicted of a drug crime they usually can find some sort of treatment but unless it's a drug conviction the rest are out of luck, like the person who gets convicted of stealing, even if it's to support their habit. It cost money to educate & rehabilate & that's not an option our prison system cares about, it doesn't care if we can get the convict to become a contributing member of society after release, they are set up to fail upon release. How hard & how cheap would it be to teach a trade or a skill? So in the end we house more criminals & in the long run it costs far more. The prison system in the US, IMHO, has long been a holding camp for minority & poor peoples cheap labor, an avenue for oppressment, a threat to be held over the heads of the unfortunate as a way to 'tow the line'. The southern system was up until recently (the 60's) a continuation of the older plantation & slave systems & extremely profitable for the whole of the south eastern part of this nations economy.
The set up starts with an arrest, there's the beginning of the process that separates the rich, the well educated, the well connected & the powerful. One gets a high priced lawyer, bail, gets to grease the ways & rub elbows with those that have an influence upon their future & they get to toss around their money, spread their wealth, influence, power & good will & then make attractable bargains. The other gets a public defender that will toss them to the wolves while they sit unable to do anything on their own & on their own behalf & will settle for the worst just to receive what they already know will be the best they can expect from a system that's stacked against them, they have nothing to barter or bargain with & for. Just look at the deals lately that have been pasted on to corporate robber barons. They're getting pretty good deals for committing such high crimes against so many people. Where if you or I were convicted of something far less we'd be doing far more time for our lesser offence. The military deals the same justice. A few years for murder in another land & only the lowly get brought to trial & fed to the dogs while those that would give an order are not even spoken with.

And it doesn't stop there. Why does a poor or minority suspected criminal get such disrespect & ill treatment when a corporate raider like Ken Lay gets better. I would prefer to see Ken Lay dragged out of his high rise office, cuffed & shackled, publicly ridiculed without a chance of bond or bail (didn't he have more money & means to be considered a flight risk than most), have his assets frozen & told that he can be represented by a public defender. See what then happens to those folks when they equal treatment.   

I have nothing to say about concentration camps, though I'm surprised that the government didn't repeat the tragic mistakes that the showed towards Japanese during WWII. Opps, they weren't that far off with there treatment towards Moslems, Arabs & other mid easterners after 9/11.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:31 PM

Privatization. This thread turned into a discussion of that, then when it infringed on peoples' comfort zones it became a discussion of "conspirary theories."

Short history of modern-day prisons in the U.S.: Prescott Bush (GW's grandaddy) backed the Nazis. They lost the war in Europe and their loot was transferred to S. America. The Bushes set up shop in west Texas to launder Nazi loot through the oil industry. Along the way they (Bushes) became a major player in the South American drug trade. Then George H.W. got elected V.P., Reagan was shot 2 months later and Bush took over the White House. We had Iran-Contra, with Ollie North and Negroponte and others establishing the cocaine industry in the U.S., while George H.W. took down rogue dealers like Manuel Noriega (we invaded Panama, remember? No reason was ever given). George H.W. pardoned all his criminal conspirators, and now they're back in power (instead of in prison where they belong). And Bush Jr. invaded Afghanistan, where the Taliban had completely stopped opium production, and now it's at 110% over previous top levels. So, the Bushes pump the drugs into the U.S. and then invest the profit into prison industries like Wackenhut and Corrections Corporation of America (companies that build prisons to house drug criminals). That's the basis of the U.S. prison industry now...private businesses housing people convicted of using drugs shipped in by the CIA. Read what the black residents of south Los Angeles have to say about it. They say the Cryps and Bloods are creations of the CIA...they SEE the CIA dropping gang members on street corners to sell drugs. The 'turf wars' of the gangs are just like the Democrat/Republican shell game...you control both sides and threaten to put the other side in charge if your side doesn't play ball. The illicit drug industry has now been stabalized in the U.S., Wackenhut and other corporations are looking at increased income since the federal and state governments have begun linking drug use to terrorism, and someday you're going to have a good 20-cent an hour job in what they'll probably start referring to as "Security Centers" on the news. "A minor disagreement at the Levenworth 'Security Center' today resulted in 'managers' having to 'fire' several 'employees'. Pardon me, that's 'fire on' several employees."

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:37 PM

"Castillo quickly discovered that the Contra pilots were, indeed, smuggling narcotics back into the United States - using the same pilots, planes and hangers that the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Council, under the direction of Lt. Col. Oliver North, used to maintain their covert supply operation to the Contras...."

http://www.powderburns.org/

The webpage of Cele Castillo, from Texas. DEA (Drug Enforcement Agent) for years, lots of credentials. He says pretty much what I outlined above. Also, he talks about the Clinton's involvement with the Bushes through the CIA drug drop point at Mena, Arkansas. Lots of people have been murdered to coverup the Mena stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:52 PM

Good post Barry. It says it all.

No conspiracy theory here ... just the injustice of greed and power.

Well ... I'm off for now. Shuttin down for Christmas. Just a plain simple family gathering. No snow, but who gives a hot tomale.

Merry Xmas

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 01:59 PM

"Reagan was shot 2 months later and Bush took over the White House"

If you are an American, Guest, you should know your history better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 03:12 PM

He probably means that Bush took over while Reagan was convalescing. In any case, I believe he is right on the mark with the rest of it. However, it's not something any of us can do a danged thing about, that's for sure.

My way of dealing with narcotics is simple. I don't take them.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 03:30 PM

If that is what he meant, LH, that is really sloppy writing. Reagan is never mentioned again and yet we know that he was the principal in the Iran Contra affair.

Guest is a smear master.

Mind you, I'm not a Reagan or Bush apologist- would never vote for either but it's just too damn easy to sling stuff and in the process making yourself one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 04:43 PM

What a perfect description for public schools in American cities.

CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!!

Drive by one of these fine educational institutions and you will see - "Jeans and t-shirts have been replaced with uniforms; children are required to wear uniforms as soon as they can fit into them — and everyone (including teachers and secretaries and cafeteria aids) must wear name tags - meals (free) are slopped down twice a day (don't ask, they won't tell) - the restroom's stinch will make you retch and vomit your way to the 10 foot high fences and yeah the backsides have barbed wire.

Badges, we don't need no stinkin badges to know a concentration camp from roadside rest area.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:35 PM

and you live where? I drive by many of these institutions, and I don't see those things.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 06:07 PM

USA's prison population a record, but growth slowing

By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

The population of the nation's state and federal prisons rose to a record 1.47 million last year, the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics reported Sunday.

from
here.

About 100,000 of the inmates are female.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 06:55 PM

I expect that housing inmates costs the same there as in Canada--roughly. If so, at $50,000/year, and that doesn't take into account court costs, prisoners are taking about 73 billion dollars a year to keep behing bars. That is lots of money, at least where I come from.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 08:26 PM

If any of your Christmas crap has a label with UNICOR on it, the item was made by U.S. prison slave labor:

"...The 13th Amendment reads as follows: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States." That means that if you've been convicted of a crime, you are legally allowed to be a slave....

Products bought by the U.S government are bought from UNICOR, which is the trade name for Federal Prisons Industries. Yes, prisoners even build desks for members of Congress. UNICOR proudly displays on its web site that it is "where the government shops first."

http://www.geocities.com/youth4sa/prisonlabor.html

And as far as Reagan being president for two terms, that's not what happened. Not technically. He was shot two months into his first term, and George H. W. Bush began assuming power:

"Bush is functioning much like a co-president. George is involved in all the national security stuff because of his special background as CIA director." -- White House press secretary James Brady, March 1981

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/HinckleyAndBush.htm

Reagan was incredibly popular and Bush couldn't beat him out of the nomination, but Reagan had to accept Bush as V.P. (forced on him by George Schultz, David Rockefeller and the other power brokers who really run America). Then the Bush cabal attempted to kill Reagan but didn't succeed. Reagan got the message though, and he began radically changing his conservative policies. So, Bush took over the White House after the shooting of Reagan, ran it under Reagan for 8 years, then served a 4-year term as president himself.

And a Bush acquaintance was used in the Reagan assassination attempt:

"Neil Bush, son of the then vice president of the United States, was scheduled to have dinner on March 31, 1981, with Scott Hinckley, brother of John Hinckley, the day after a bullet came within an inch of making Neil Bush's father the new president of the United States. Even though John Chancellor had let slip out this most remarkable assassination coincidence shortly after John Hinckley tried to kill President Reagan, it was censored by NBC News and the other organs of the national news media during the subsequent 10 years. And even in the several months of extensive coverage of Neil Bush's part in the massive savings and loan fraud, no mention was made of his role in the continuing coverup of the most significant story in the 1980s."

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/reagan_assassination.htm

By the way, John Hinckley's father (John Hinckley, Sr.), was involved with World Vision, a CIA front group and brainwashing organization. They trained assassins. There's lots of information on this organization on the internet.

So, Bush Sr. feels cheated out of the presidency and tries to claim it through assassination, but he fails. But Reagan gets the message and lets Bush have his head. Reagan really DIDN'T know about Iran-Contra. Bush ran that whole thing. Bush focused on drugs (the "democracy in Central America" thing was just a cover to set up the smooth flow of cocaine into the U.S.), and now we have that whole Iran-Contra group back in power. Bush Sr. pardoned all of them of their crimes before he left the presidency, then Bush Jr. brought them back into government. Just one of them, John Negroponte, is responsible for the death squads that killed upwards of 500,000 in Central America. He's now head of the CIA. His primary job is to keep the drug pipeline open. This is all "Modern American History 101." Basic stuff. Gangsters have seized the U.S. and are turning it into a giant prison for their personal profit.

Do you folks really not know this stuff?

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: artbrooks
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 09:16 PM

(1) Involuntary servitude is not the same as slavery. Most prison inmates work, either in jobs that reduce prison overhead (ie, doing the laundry) or producing something of intrinsic value outside the prison system. (2) UNICOR sells some material, including cheap desks, to the US government, among other buyers. Government buyers are generally required to buy from the low bidder, which UNICOR usually isn't. (3) Reagan made a full recovery within 2 months of being shot. G.H.W. Bush was not in charge except for the few days that RR was in surgery and post-op recovery.

Do you really not know this stuff? Do you really believe that it is all a vast conspiracy? Is there a propeller on your aluminum beanie?

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 09:27 PM

Prison inmates do telemarketing work, among other things. You probably talk to a couple per week. And UNICOR makes a lot more than desks. UNICOR is the American equivalent of Communist China's infamous sweatshops. Last look, the avg "wage" for American prisoners was 23-24 cents per hour, BEFORE overhead is deducted. And if your office assistant put a bullet in you and then told you he's taking over, artbrooks, how much would you protest? The Bush/CIA machine has been running the Executive Branch since the day Reagan was shot by a Bush family friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: artbrooks
Date: 25 Dec 06 - 10:23 PM

"Shot by a Bush family friend" is rather a long way from shot by the crazy brother (who had previously stalked Jimmy Carter) of an otherwise unremarkable man who had planned to have a business dinner with the VP's son the next day; both lived in Denver and both were in the oil business. Believe it or not, there really is such a thing as a coincidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 12:22 AM

Not in politics there isn't, art.

It is illegal drug money that secretly finances the USA to the tune of many billions of unaudited dollars every year, and it's channeled and controlled by the USA's secret service, the CIA. The sources of most of the drugs are places in the Third World where the USA has fought or proxied dirty wars...and won them...in Central America and Afghanistan, for example.

And no, I'm not Guest, I just happen to agree with him on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 01:10 AM

Ye blithering Gods!!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 01:14 AM

Hey, man, you don't have to agree with me to keep me happy... ;-)

We all have our opinions, and we all base them on whatever we've come across that we found reasonably convincing.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 02:10 AM

This is one time, Little Hawk, that you really, truly need to say that this is somethng you THINK. To say: "It is illegal drug money that secretly finances the USA to the tune of many billions of unaudited dollars every year, and it's channeled and controlled by the USA's secret service," is not only gullible and irresponsible and yes, blithering, but also not reasonable.

Just think- our troubles are over! Instead of worrying about the debt that we're accumulating for our children's children, all we need to do is sell more drugs.

Pass the alumin(i)um, folks. If we're to get past this, we're going to need lots more.

Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
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Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
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Subject: RE: BS: Concentration camps in U.S. don't exist?
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