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Cleethorpes 07?

LesB 28 Dec 06 - 11:17 AM
Michael 28 Dec 06 - 01:01 PM
LesB 29 Dec 06 - 05:18 AM
GUEST 29 Dec 06 - 07:23 AM
gnomad 29 Dec 06 - 07:31 AM
Rasener 12 Feb 07 - 05:39 PM
LesB 12 Feb 07 - 05:56 PM
Folkiedave 12 Feb 07 - 06:07 PM
Rasener 12 Feb 07 - 06:15 PM
muppitz 13 Feb 07 - 07:40 AM
GUEST,Graham Bradshaw 13 Feb 07 - 11:56 AM
fat B****rd 13 Feb 07 - 03:02 PM
Rasener 13 Feb 07 - 03:12 PM
Rasener 14 Feb 07 - 02:21 PM
Rockhen 14 Feb 07 - 05:35 PM
r.padgett 15 Feb 07 - 10:20 AM
Rasener 15 Feb 07 - 10:31 AM
Scrump 15 Feb 07 - 10:32 AM
Rasener 15 Feb 07 - 11:37 AM
r.padgett 15 Feb 07 - 04:32 PM
Rasener 15 Feb 07 - 04:40 PM
GUEST 16 Feb 07 - 10:16 AM
r.padgett 16 Feb 07 - 12:55 PM
oggie 17 Feb 07 - 04:24 AM
Michael 17 Feb 07 - 03:08 PM
r.padgett 17 Feb 07 - 03:10 PM
Rasener 17 Feb 07 - 03:54 PM
Blowzabella 17 Feb 07 - 07:09 PM
Michael 18 Feb 07 - 04:23 AM
Carol 18 Feb 07 - 05:49 AM
r.padgett 18 Feb 07 - 12:39 PM
collierlad 18 Feb 07 - 01:02 PM
fat B****rd 18 Feb 07 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,Sandra Ennis 18 Feb 07 - 03:31 PM
GUEST,old git 19 Feb 07 - 06:40 AM
GUEST,GUEST The Horse's Mouth -Sue 19 Feb 07 - 08:51 AM
GUEST 19 Feb 07 - 03:13 PM
GUEST,Mike Gott 20 Feb 07 - 08:15 AM
Mr Happy 20 Feb 07 - 08:28 AM
GUEST,Henryp 21 Feb 07 - 04:28 AM
nutty 21 Feb 07 - 08:00 AM
GUEST,The Horses Mouth 21 Feb 07 - 07:45 PM
GUEST,chris 22 Feb 07 - 11:09 AM
Rasener 22 Feb 07 - 12:24 PM
GUEST, Tom Bliss 22 Feb 07 - 02:21 PM
Rasener 22 Feb 07 - 03:16 PM
GUEST 23 Feb 07 - 02:50 PM
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Subject: Cleethorpes 07?
From: LesB
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:17 AM

I'm planning my diary for next year (fitting festivals in around weekends of dance), & I see that Cleethorpes have yet to update their website with any 2007 info. Does anybody know if there is a problem with this years festival (owing to the prospective closure of the Winter Gardens venue) or am I just a bit previous.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Michael
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:01 PM

The dates are on the website so presumably it will go ahead as planned.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: LesB
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 05:18 AM

Those dates have been on since last years fest!
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 07:23 AM

Yet another festival taking its customers for granted


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: gnomad
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 07:31 AM

Problem is that the premises on which the festival has depended for some years may not be available due to redevelopment. Until that is decided it will be hard for the organisers to make any proper plans, never mind publishing them.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 05:39 PM

Just seen it on the BBC TV news 12/02/07. The Winter Gardens Venue will definately close, in fact it looked like the film showed them boarding up the windows.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: LesB
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 05:56 PM

I wonder, will that mean no Fest this year?
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 06:07 PM

Bloody shame if it is....some of my best memories of people doing daft things at folk festivals come from Cleethorpes.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 06:15 PM

I guess it would be prudent to wait for an official statement from the committee.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: muppitz
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 07:40 AM

I echo that sentiment folkiedave!
My ultimate daft moment came at Cleethorpes FF circa 1997.
After a beverage or two me, mother and one of the scout leaders decided it would be a good idea to nip over the sand dunes and go swimming at 6 in the morning.
It was so damn cold that when I went for a shower I couldn't tell what temperature the water was, looking back, I can't have been far off hypothermia!

It'll be a shame if it doesn't run as I had definitely decided to go this year, the unease I felt at Chester last year leaves me secure in the knowledge that I won't be going there again!

muppitz
x


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,Graham Bradshaw
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 11:56 AM

Last I heard from the organisers was that they were still in negotiations with the Winter gardens management to let it happen before the bulldozers come in. Apparently, there aren't any alternative venues available.

One of my favourite festivals - fond memories of the good old days on the pier.

Taffy Thomas had a good quote about Cleethorpes: "Every artist does Cleethorpes twice in their career - once on the way up, and once on the way back down!"


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 03:02 PM

I just read about this on The Grimsby Evening Telegraph webpage. Apparently despite local protest the place is now boarded up and the staff (120 of 'em) are jobless. The Last Bags Ball has been held (don't ask) and that seems to be it for the old place. I sympathize totally with the people here who look forward to the Annual Folk Festival. Although never a fan myself I used to know some people who played there or attended.
Personally I played (Blue eyed soul) at the Winter Gardens in September 2005 and years before that about 40 times in various line-ups.
NO chance of using the Pier, I suppose. The Festival did used to be there.
Good luck, whatever from fB. Formerly of Cleethorpes.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 03:12 PM

Is the pier strong enough to take a load of morris men and people hurling themselves around in the Ceilidh.

I would want a health & safety check on the pier first :-)

The other thing is, is it safe when people have just heard a wrist slitting song and then hurl themselves over the side :-)


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 02:21 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rockhen
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 05:35 PM

My first memory of the Winter Gardens, is on my 9th birthday complete with lovely floral homemade long dress and er...sort of beehive hairdo...
Yeuckkk!
I have been to a lot of events there, including doing a couple of support gigs which were a real high for me. I hope the festival goes ahead, somewhere, even if not there, but it is a real shame if nothing can save the Winter Gardens. Is a little piece of history that I, for one, will be sad to see disappear, to the bulldozers. :-(


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: r.padgett
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 10:20 AM

I have some vivid memories of Cleethorpes

Trying to hit the urinal during a dance session!

The Rain, nearly every year ~ no honest real thunderstorms!! stair rodding down and falling over flat on my face trying to get back to the tent (not a pretty site I can tell you)

Father Kenneth, Swan Arcade, Monologue John, Paul Gough, Robin Garside, Pearce Butler and Steve Heap, Kath and Stan Compton, The Station bar that year Finbar and Eddie Furey started to throw beer at one another!!

Brian Lawton from Huddersfield, Mitch (Worksop),Brian Dawson
all of the Roaring Forties, Joe and Mo,

Carol and Alan from Scotland, Arthur Knevett, Dave and Julie Evardson, Sylvia

Remember Roy Blackman from Rotherham (the memory man)and Joan from Lancashire and her husband

The food from the Winter Gardens and Jimmy Johnson (I think that's is his name) who owned it

The front bar, the car park camping site ~ the Rain !!! yes again

All will be missed I fear!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 10:31 AM

Maybe they could shift it for this year to Market Rasen Race Course


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Scrump
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 10:32 AM

My understanding is that the festival is off, having heard it from someone else, but I haven't seen anything in writing / on the web to confirm this. I've never been there, but it's always a shame when something like that happens.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 11:37 AM

Where is Oldgit - he would know.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: r.padgett
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:32 PM

O yes forgot Geoff Turner!


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:40 PM

Well I am going to go to Grimsby FC on Sunday to see Pete Morton, so if we don't know anymore by then, I will see how the land lies.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:16 AM

Hey Ray...
It was Jimmy JACKSON....the owner and manager...the man who never smiled...
Many memories of the Winter Gardens...and the pier before that...yes, It did sway during the ceilidh....
Do you remember Pat Neilly...wonderful fiddler who lived in nearby Humberston....?...playing in the pier bar with Finbar and Eddie and swapping tunes with Ali and Cathal....couldn't see across the room for smoke...

Hope the Festival manages to survive, apres Winter Gardens...,,but I can't think of anywhere local that will house that many folks...must be a real problem for the organisers..
I wish then well in the search.

Cheers from California

Pete


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: r.padgett
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 12:55 PM

Hello Pete

Yep the Pier was a real boozy place and characters such as Jock Manuel and Jim Eldon

The music was unbelievable and little pockets developed but you could nt hear others 2 yds away singing unless you were near to them!

Pat Neilly rings a bell

Also met Vi Conolly there a really nice person too (John was a bit frightened of her I do believe!)

Ray


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: oggie
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 04:24 AM

Pat Neilly was probably the finest and most generous fiddle player I ever came across. Played for the dance as well and always gave full measure to the tune and the dancers. Once saw him play for 6 hours at a Feis with only a lunch break, his playing at the end was as perfect as when he started. In the car back he was still saying "do you know this one?" and whistling tune after tune.

Sadly he died of cancer these many years back.

All the best

Steve Ogden


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Michael
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 03:08 PM

There is now a message on the festival website (www.cleethorpesfolkfestival.org.uk)saying no festival this year but planning for 2008.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: r.padgett
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 03:10 PM

O dear!


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 03:54 PM

I think that was to be expected. Its a real shame.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Blowzabella
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:09 PM

Did it really employ 120 people???


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Michael
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 04:23 AM

I would guess they had 120 casuals on the books and very few permenant full tume posts.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Carol
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 05:49 AM

Perhaps you could try Kelsall(Chester) or even Chippenham instead


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: r.padgett
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 12:39 PM

Chester is nice!
Kelsall
Only criticism is lack of camp site decent available food!!

Singarounds can be a challenge, tends to be musician/locals dominated


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: collierlad
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 01:02 PM

As an alternative, same weekend & not far from Cleethorpes.
The Norwell Happening


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 02:58 PM

The figure of 120 staff for the Winter Gardens was from The Grimsby Evening Telegraph.
As a supporter of live music, wether I'm interested or not, I think it's a shame when any event is called off.
I hope, but doubt it, that another venue can be found.
ATB from fB.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,Sandra Ennis
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 03:31 PM

Let's hope it'll be back in 2008.

We'll miss it this year.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 06:40 AM

After so many years of running singarounds in Willy's pub don't know how I'll fill the weekend this year. Hopefully when it is re-established next year we will go back to Willy's. Like Ray I have many great memories.....like the Wilsons and Alan Prior filling the upstairs room both physically and vocally....hand-pulled Willy's...and of course all the Willy workshops...and yes Ray I remember the rain. I'm sure you recall the concert when the MC (probably Robin Garside) announced "There are ducks swimming on the campsite"
Hopefully this is only a hiccough and we'll be back in full strength next year,though I can't think of a venue that will be as good as the Winter Gardens. Perhaps ,like other festivals,we are going to have to spread the events a little more around the town.
geoff


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,GUEST The Horse's Mouth -Sue
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 08:51 AM

I was actually the person who announced ducks swimming on the campsite and entering people's tents - remember it well.

Until the meeting on Monday 12th, the owners assured us they had not made a decision and there was a possibility that the Gardens would continue, or that we could use it for one more year. No announcement could be made by us before this time - letters have been sent to all on our mailing list.
There were 120 people employed - sadly these have all now lost their jobs and equally sadly, many of the guest houses will be hard hit; one already announced closure due to the lack of our festival and the many weddings and other events.

An equally good, but different festival is being planned for 2008 and yes, the Willy workshops will be back on! Offers of other venues (smaller, of course) have already been made. We're optimistic - though very sad. Thanks for the many messages of support.
Sue Houston (Knevett)


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 03:13 PM


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,Mike Gott
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 08:15 AM

RIP. The fat cat property developers and the Local Council who allowed the closure and forthcoming demolition of the asset that was the 'Gardens should hang their heards in shame. I suppose the Council will be thinking of all the extra council tax they'll get from the people in the new flats. Short term financial gain, long term social and cultural loss once again. However, the many memories of the Winter Gardens will live on long after the names of these short sighted and self-centred people who have destroyed it have been forgotten.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 08:28 AM

A great shame - would've liked to try Cleethorpes & paddling!

Ah well, maybe next year.

Me & fiends are here at Whit:



http://www.chesterfolk.org.uk/festhome.htm

http://www.chesterfolk.org.uk/folkday.htm


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,Henryp
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 04:28 AM

Thanks for all the happy memories of Cleethorpes, including the luxury travelling by train to the camp site. I shall miss the smell of cookking wafting through the hall. I'm now looking forward to 2008.

I remember when the Wilsons challenged the rest of the festival to a football match on the beach. Victory for them was, however, assured. First, they had the larger team. Second, they appointed their mother as referee!

Henry


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: nutty
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 08:00 AM

It was at a Cleethorpes festival that Martyn Wyndham-Read renamed The Wilsons 'THE SWILSONS'. A name they richly deserved.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,The Horses Mouth
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 07:45 PM

There are protests still going on - the Chief Executive of the Council is George Kraciew and apparently he still has the power to stop the demolition - It's just come to light that when he was living on the south coast a similar situation occurred and he held a local referendum and then stepped in to stop the closure. He's sat by and done nothing and said nothing on this occasion. There's still a little time left - write or ring the Chief Exec - North East Lincs Council, Town Hall Square, Grimsby. 01472 313131. If the closure and demolition goes ahead they might as well put 'Cleethorpes Closed' on the approach routes.
Sue


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 11:09 AM

sad tohearof the problems but thanks for the letter
chris


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 12:24 PM

Sue
i beleive his surname is Krawiec

and the durect number to his PA is 01472 324701

just trying myself.

les


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST, Tom Bliss
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 02:21 PM

Very sad. I'll never forget finishing last year with all of us joining the Doonans for a rather previous Wild Mountain Thyme. There was a picture on the site for a while of Pete Coe grimacing with one finger in his ear, trying to block out my overblown whistle about two inches away. Well, it was the only way I could hear myself over that lot!

Mind you, I won't miss the heat from that kitchen! Hottest gig I've ever done, (and with the most unusual aromas)

Best of luck to the team and wonderful to hear the fest will be back next year. If I'm not working I'll be there as usual. Me and my lad's favourite.

Tom


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 03:16 PM

Yep I remember that Tom. What a way to finish. Wasn't that the one, where this lady got on stage from the audience and one of you was trying to get her to sing or something like that.

Les


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 02:50 PM


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 08:25 PM

Got a call from his PA today, to say that he was on other business today, but he would ring me on Monday.

Sop if you have any questions you want answered or points you would like me to put to him, stick em on this therad and I will do my best to bring them to his attention.

I will report back on how it goes.


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: r.padgett
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM

I think the thrust of any objections should be the need for a venue which promotes entertainment to people who are visitors to the popular Lincolnshire seaside resort of Cleethorpes

I would have thought that Cleethorpes council had a duty to their residents to do all that they can to attract visitors bringing money to spend on boarding houses and pubs

Perhaps they are happy to see the demise of seaside establishments

I wonder what effect the writing of letters to the local newspaper about the NON attraction of visitors due to the lack of a decent Entertainment centre would have and the knock on effect to local businesses would have (the multiplier effect in reverse)

Clearly the only course of action would be to buy Jimmy Jackson out or to build their own, but can the town wait so long!!

Are there any other council owned buildings promoting live entertainment in Cleethorpes?

Private sector provison? other than Winter Gardens

Who is the local MP and MEP do they care??

Ray


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Subject: RE: Cleethorpes 07?
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 12:25 PM

Well ther are 4 things that Cleethorpes has.

Theme Park
Swimming Pool
Cinema
Bowling Alley

My family uses those facilities


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