BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: number 6
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:55 PM

Hey Shambles!

"And Ol' Man River, he just keeps rollin' along
He must know somepin', but he don't say nothin'
He just keeps rollin', he keeps on rollin' along"

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Cluin
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:19 PM

When people see a person continually banging their head bloody against a brick wall, it's just human nature to implore them to stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 02:32 PM

Shambles, good day to you. I think you are a nice person.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: skipy
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 02:12 PM

100, Bye,
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 02:09 PM

Only the 'nice people' are now welcome and get to be treated nicely.

You can tell those who consider themselves to be the 'nice people' as they are the ones who are seen to gang up to prevent others from posting their views and are now openly encouraged to post foul abuse and to judge the worth of others and to try to drive them away.

And in this distorted reality - the paragon of virtue who is seen to be the worst of these offenders who is openly encouraged to set the very worst example of posting - seems to viewed as the very best of these 'nice people'.

There are still some really nice people who still post to our forum - it is a shame that theirs is not the example that gets followed.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:48 PM

.. and people who outwear their welcome aren't welcome..

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:31 PM

Odd concept, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:07 PM

So what you are saying is that the people who run the site are the ones making decisions about how it will be run. I get it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:03 PM

Guest Joe decides. Simple, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Bert
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 12:44 PM

JennyO, clean out the grout and redo it. Then seal it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: skipy
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:50 AM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:43 AM

You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post (where no editing action did in fact take place) and did not refresh the thread.

The Shambles complaint messages have been more-or-less confined to one thread at a time for several months now. Most posts of GUESTS who refuse to use a name are now being deleted, whether the posts are harmful or innocuous. If you don't want to be deleted, all you have to do is use a consistent name.
-Joe Offer-

And if you don't want to be deleted and you don't wish to use a consistent name and you still wish to post only to judge and abuse your fellow posters - then become an anonymous 'moderator'.

Then you can not only post and complain anywhere and about who you wish - you can do this both conventional posts which refresh the thread or in inserted red editing comments which do not.

And you can 'silently delete' the posts of others. And be allowed to pretend that all this online bullying is being done to enable free and open discussion.
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When the word 'complaints' is used by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - it now appears to mean any freely expressed view that he does not agree with.

And for which 'crime' the poster concerned will be seen to be openly abused by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team, certain other favoured posters will be seen to be encouraged by him to post the most offensive abuse and then site's owner will then be seen to ignore a formal complaint made about this and them start a thread publicly stating that the complaining posters has been asked to leave.

Perhaps it is time for all posters to address the reality of this sad situation (hopefully in this thread- rather than be expected to continue to pretend that our forum has not become what it clearly has?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 03:19 AM

I'd like to delete all the counters in my kitchen. Some of them are big square tiles, and the grout between them is a real dirt trap. I bleach them a lot, and then they seem a little cleaner. The other one is a wooden one, supposedly at a height to sit at, but too high - definitely a home-grown job. One end is "supported" by a large thick POST, which, on closer inspection, turned out to be a long tube made of CARDBOARD. Needless to say, we don't lean on it too hard. I'd like to delete that too. Not much value in a long post with nothing in it, I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: M.Ted
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 01:12 AM

The veggie slicing would take place on the new black granite counters that I installed in place of the deleted ones--excepting that they needed posts, and turned out to be way more expensive than I thought--

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST,name #?
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:17 PM

The same visitor records used to facilitate blocking access by certain guests could, in most instances, be used to determine which members post at times without a registered user name. Where are the negative sanctions against members who post without a registered user name? Do their posts get deleted?

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As a matter of fact, I have taken action against them a few times - but I can communicate with them privately, so it isn't so obvious. Very few registered Mudcatters go anonymous to cause problems, however.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: skipy
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:10 PM

Leave it! starve him of the attention, with no blood supply he will curl up & die & then drop off, like a pair of sheeps bollocks!
Then, he can regroup, put his sensible head on & come back & be welcome, me thinks!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:10 PM

Wolfgang...what browser are you using? In my browser(s) Opera & Firefox, typed messages stay...even if I go forward or back...or even do a search to 'enlighten' my planned post. They do not disappear until I close the browser. Right now, I can read the 'original' of every post I've typed since I last opened the browser.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:07 PM

If you use a consistent poster name, it won't be a problem, will it?
Still, if it appears to be an honest omission, we'll let the message go undeleted. It's quite clear you intended to be anonymous in this message, but I'll leave it undeleted.
-Joe Offer-

If it appears to who?

How does the who decide?

How can anyone be sure what anyone else's intention is?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 04:49 PM

And what happens to my erudite posts that positively and constructively would enhance a thread if I had not mistakenly hit the "back" button instead of the "submit" button? They cannot even be restored, they are lost to the world forever. Sniff.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Bert
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 04:29 PM

Good point GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:42 PM

so what happens to well written erudite posts that positively and constuctively enhance a thread,
but were inadvertently posted as 'GUEST' due to cookie problems,
or momentary oversight by the poster..?

or is it that under this new apparently 'zero tolerance' regime
everything posted by 'GUEST' is automatically' deleted
no matter what the quality of writing,
amount of time spent laboured to write a good creative contribution.. etc..

??????

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If you use a consistent poster name, it won't be a problem, will it?
Still, if it appears to be an honest omission, we'll let the message go undeleted. It's quite clear you intended to be anonymous in this message, but I'll leave it undeleted.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:33 PM

If you took out the counters where would you slice your veggies?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:31 PM

I was thinking about deleting the counter in my kitchen, and perhaps replacing it with one of those granite things, but due to the increase of weight on the cabinets, it would not stand without supporting posts----

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST,slingbelikedavid's
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:24 PM

How can the tone of discourse improve around here if initial personal attacks and supporting posts are allowed to stand while counters by guests are deleted?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:21 PM

I don't know about that, Little Hawk--"The Taming of the Internet" would fill up a good size lecture hall almost anywhere you'd want to go, and will undoubtably be the theme of a good many research papers, books, and the like for many years to come--

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 02:22 PM

History 306: The role of "Closed threads & deleted posts (3)" in Western Civilization.

I hope this isn't offered at 7:30 AM. I never did too well in those classes, avoided them as much as possible. I tried to take classes that started at 10:30 or later.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:50 PM

Not only was the GUEST post deleted but my response was deleted which makes my concern look doubly foolish.

Trust me when I say I will not lose any sleep over this. I could spend all day trying to look as foolish as possible and still wouldn't measure up to some posts I see on this site (this is not a pot shot at you Shambles, just a general observation).

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:46 PM

Don't worry, K.B. A week from now no one will remember. Hell, maybe even a couple of days from now. I mean, can you see anyone discussing this thread someday in a class devoted to the history of western civilization?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:42 PM

OK, so the GUEST post was deleted and makes me look foolish. I can handle that. It was foreshadowed (but by a previous GUEST post which may also be deleted making me look more foolish still. At least Bill D. copied and pasted it, maybe I can avoid looking the complete idiot).

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:13 PM

I've never met anyone yet who was fully informed. And I don't expect to. This whole discussion is a tempest in a very tiny teapot, but it's fun to check in and read it now and then when one simply has nothing else to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:44 PM

"Some of the posts below are somewhat out of context due to the deletion of certain posts made near to them in time."

point noted...we'll live with it somehow...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:17 PM

Some of the posts below are somewhat out of context due to the deletion of certain posts made near to them in time.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:17 PM

So Max can tell Shambles that he is being asked to leave but then does nothing about making sure that he leaves but Guests who may have something worthwhile to say but don't feel like using a name won't be allowed to post.

That makes sense. Leave the posting to those who complain and insult management but edit supporters of the site who don't want to assume a fake identity.

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The Shambles complaint messages have been more-or-less confined to one thread at a time for several months now. Most posts of GUESTS who refuse to use a name are now being deleted, whether the posts are harmful or innocuous. If you don't want to be deleted, all you have to do is use a consistent name.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 04:22 AM

our forum will have to judge for themselves if this is only the poster's personal - view or something else.

No need to guess, Shambles. If you read what you quote you should see the words "I'll say it again". This is an indication that it has first been stated officially somewhere else.

Here is the original:

From now on, anonymous posting will be watched and controlled. We've had far too many problems with anonymous posters. If you want to post, use a consistent name. We're not requiring registration, although we certainly prefer that. You may certainly use a pseudonym as a user name, but please use that same name every time you post.

-Joe Offer-

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 03:24 AM

I take it that our forum is being informed by this official sounding pronouncement, that it now the end for posting, judgement, 'silent deletion' and all forms of imposed editing action by our anonymous moderators.

Do I also take it that our forum is being informed that all forms of imposed editing action will always be recorded in editing comments and that the use of editing comments will be limited to only where some form of imposed editing action has taken place?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 02:15 AM

The following was not inserted as a editing comment - so our forum will have to judge for themselves if this is only the poster's personal - view or something else.

Subject: RE: BS: Posting with Civility
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:09 PM

I'll say it again: if you have been posting anonymously, it is time for you to choose a user name. Registration is not required - but anonymous posting (while possible) is not permitted.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: jeffp
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 11:14 PM

if

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: jeffp
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:13 PM

Actually, Max's thread said, "Shambles has been asked to leave." Verbatim quote.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:21 PM

That would just mean other threads are getting more action-- it's them coming up, more than Marie going down.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:17 PM

Beats me, then.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:07 PM

The same way you brought this one to the top. Post!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:04 PM

How does a thread leapfrog threads beneath it in its descent down and off the page?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 06:28 PM

I had not posted a word past this and when Max asked Roger to leave, I wasn't surprised. If you'll check back, for all of those posts some of you complain about and are so offended by (please grow up), there are also a considerable number like that one where I asked Roger to back off.

You of all posters are seriously asking for other posters to grow up?

You who admits to indulging in the most childish name-calling, scatological refences and foul personal abuse and inflicting this publicly on our forum to intentionally try to upset and annoy one poster?

I think there is an internet word for someone who does this? Not sure if there is an internet word for one who is seen to be encouraged by a site's moderators to do this. From now on - perhaps this creature will be known as a Catspaw - in your dubuous honour?

Why do you think you should be the only poster seen to be encouraged to indulge in such posting free from censure?

And why do you think you have some right to try and prevent others from posting their views and to incite others to drive such posters away?

Why after setting this example and seeing the result - do you have the conceit to assume to advise others how to conduct themselves?

Do you really think anyone on our forum should take any notice of what you tell them to do or not do?

You are fortunate enough for some reason to have special treatment from the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team which takes the very opposite form to the restrictions currently imposed on my posting.

So as you are seen to be so special and privileged out of all on our forum - why cannot you just be seen to be setting the example of ignoring any views that are not to your tastes?

Something that my friend Mick (after many years of failure) seems to have finally managed - to his great credit but a course that your huge ego just does not seem to allow you to take.

And if you are incapable of following Mick's new example - perhaps you could do all the posters to this forum a great big favour and concentrate on posting the other sites which you publicly extol the virtues of and leave poster here free from your foolishness.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 06:22 PM

It's there, GUEST thread periscope. It just fell off the bottom. Access it here.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: GUEST,thread periscope
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 05:50 PM

What happened to the thread "What they did to Marie Antoinette"?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:34 PM

..as well he should have...*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:29 PM

And the pig got up and slowly walked away!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:23 PM

This thread deletion seems to have escalated the conflict to another area-- I just opened an old thread that had been resurrected(which causes its own peculiar sort of problems, anyway) only to discover that it had been loaded down with porn links. A retaliation, I am sure, for the deletion of the "hemorrhaging" thread--

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:38 PM

It's been looking good all day today Joe. A noticeably more sensible and balanced set of contributions.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3)
From: Cruiser
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:35 PM

"And, for the record - from now on, anonymous posting will be watched and controlled. We've had far too many problems with anonymous posters. If you want to post, use a consistent name."

Very good decision.