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Subject: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Max Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:50 AM I received by 796th complaint from Shambles last night. This morning, in very clear words, I have asked him to leave the mudcat. I made a promise that I would deal with him, and I am keeping that promise. Keep in mind, that we do not have the ability currently to force him out or from returning, so I stress that I have asked him to leave. You can take that any way you like, and we'll just have to wait and see what happens now. That is all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:52 AM Max, you have the patience of a saint. Who knew, when you set up this great forum and database, that babysitting would be such a large component. Good luck to you in this. Maggie (SRS) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:58 AM Dear Max.......I should like to request that all "grovellers" should be severely reprimanded.....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: wysiwyg Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:59 AM Thank you for letting us know, Max. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:07 AM Why could the highly selective attempt at a purge not have been kept private, Max? Does being an exhibitionistic hypocrite feel better than being a closeted one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: gnu Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:12 AM Well, I can think of one good reason. If he stays, I will never read or respond to anything he submits again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: katlaughing Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:16 AM Thanks, Max, let's hope he complies. As to making it public: it's a lot easier for Max to do a "blanket" announcement than to answer 796 PMs! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:23 AM From whence cometh any obligation to discuss one member with 796 others, more or less? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Georgiansilver Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:25 AM GUEST 11.07..no more than can be expected of GUEST. The likes of you will get Guests banned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: John MacKenzie Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:27 AM It's ironic that some daft Guest asks "Why the announcement" when in another thread people were complaining about someone being thrown out and nobody had been informed. It really is a case of 'You can't please everybody' Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Nigel Parsons Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:34 AM Well done Max, It's a pity you had to take this step, but not unexpected. CHEERS Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Leadfingers Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:38 AM MY take on this is that Max set this site up and keeps it going , out of the goodness of his heart ! There are small contributions to the runing costs from various members and events , but for general users , its TOTALLY free ! If you dont like the way Max runs it ,there is a very simple solution ! GO SOMEWHERE ELSE ! If we were paying an annual fee to use the site , we MIGHT Have grounds for an input into the organisation . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: jeffp Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:41 AM If you read the first post from Max, he says that he received his 796th complaint from Shambles, not about Shambles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: katlaughing Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:45 AM Oh, thanks, jeffp....my mistake. Still, I am glad he made it public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Rapparee Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:45 AM It's Max's ball, field, and game. He sets the rules, and if you can't abide by them, as liberal as they are then go elsewhere. Really, it's just that simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: The Shambles Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:47 AM Perhaps Max would be kind enough to correct the impression given by him to our forum that I have posted 796 PMs of complaints to him. If in all the many years I have been a member here I had posted 769 PMs in total it would come as a great surprise to me. To my recollection - in that time I have sent about 20 or so to Max containing a few helpful suggestions. Hopefully he will not wish to been seen to being dishonest and he will publicly confirm that the figure of 769 quoted by him was used with poetic licence and was not to be taken as the literal truth? Although it may have been suspected that it would be eagely greeted as being a true figure - by those only too willing to comment. It may well have appeared to have been the 769th complaint that Max had chosen to ignore - but any complaints are sent to Max at his open invitation (which you will find in the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum). Is accepting this invitation now to be grounds for members being asked to leave? And the complaint itself to be ignored - as if there were no grounds for complaint contained in it? The key to this is what the response is (if any is received) to any invited complaints. The response to this latest PM from me is for Max to tell me to go away and for him to start this thread. Which came as a surprise to me as having recieved two brief replies to my PM from Max - I was under this private exchange was still being conducted privately and that my complaint would be at least addressed. Hopefully it still can be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Captain Ginger Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:49 AM Amen! Now, we need a new village |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:52 AM Banning guests would chiefly inconvenience part-time members. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: The Shambles Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:53 AM For those who may be interested - the (as yet still unanswered) formal complaint can be seen in the first post to the following thread. Deleted posts & closed theads (3) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:56 AM Good on you, Max in a million! Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: katlaughing Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:58 AM There's gotta be a way... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: jeffp Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:58 AM Since there is no effective way of banning Shambles as yet, maybe all of his posts can be deleted as soon as discovered. I realize that this would be a lot of work for the moderators, but he might get frustrated and leave. At the very least, his account should be terminated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM What's in the number? Privacy ethics, when one has any, apply whether an alleged villain complains one time or 796 google times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:03 PM It seems that Shambles is ignoring you Max. Why can't the same filtering system that was used on MG & CH be used on Max? I don't think they were just "asked" not to post since both are not seen anywhere on the Mudcat since they have been banned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:09 PM I'm with gnu. Could we please use enough self-restraint not to respond to any of Shambles's posts, or post to any thread he starts? Hopefully, they will all be eliminated, but in the meantime, I think gnu has the right call on this one. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:14 PM Hopefully all personal attacks will be deleted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Max Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:15 PM We're going to take this one step at a time. Step one is to use very clear language as to my wishes. Catters and Vols will be alerted when I'm ready to take another step. I expect everyone to be adults here, and not disrespect me, Shambles or the Mudcat. Don't mistake my decision to do this as permission to publicly berate a fellow human being. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Captain Ginger Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:20 PM Shame we can't turn the clock back to more innocent days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:23 PM Isn't public berating of fellow human beings what you, Joe Offer, some Catters, and some Vols have practiced, Max? How public is the Internet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: John MacKenzie Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:29 PM What exactly are YOU doing then Guest? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:48 PM For those who may be interested - the (as yet still unanswered) formal complaint can be seen in the first post to the following thread. Shambles, No one is interested. You have been asked to leave. Shoo, scat, out with ye! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:49 PM The guest of 12:23 pm did not introduce the verb "to berate." Is it not fair to ask an introducer about his chosen terms as they apply to himself? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:57 PM good on you max, I mean anyone who complains 20 or 200 times must be asked to leave. Sorry Shambles you brought it all on yourself, some else that can't keep you mouth shut, I mean I have only sent Joe two complaints, I'm the grumpy shit I was going to say but I'm just 41 years old, I hardly ever complain to either Joe or Max or even give them advice, because they know what they are doing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:05 PM The guest of 12:48 pm can come out of the closet when he likes. The other members could hardly find him unique in his part-time identification with the membership. There's no known penalty for being a turncoat in Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Alba Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:08 PM Your Forum Max, so it is, when all is said, done and complained about... no-one else's call but yours. 796 PMs! My Goodness. Thank you for letting us know. Jude |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:12 PM Good on you MAX it's your and Joe's site not his 796 PM's I mean is this perosn lonely or something, I mean get a life for god sake, and leave Max Alone. Tom |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Georgiansilver Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:25 PM The people who run this site do it as they see fit and to the extent of their abilities. It is a thankless job generally and for them to be criticised is to me...in my honest opinion....futile! Get a life Shambles and find some other 'Trivial Pursuit'. You have made yourself unwelcome here and obviously cannot take a hint. I have nothing against you personally but many people seem to have...are they all wrong about you? Are you just some poor misunderstood person or someone who knows exactly what he is doing and makes himself oblivious to 'general' opinion?. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:40 PM It's a shame, because Roger's a good enough bloke and a good musician, has written some good songs; and he's used his bloody minded persistance to good effect at times when it's been handy. But it was his own decision really. I rather hope Shambles will vanish, and that some time Roger will come back under a different persona, and with different priorities. Do a Reginald Perrin, so to speak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:44 PM Why are so many moral weaklings berating the alleged villain in a thread that Max started? They're showing disrespect several times over, sparing only themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Slag Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:54 PM I don't feel that I've been here long enough to take Shambles to task. That's been done. It's just my observation that hearing the same complaint over and over is tantamount to SPAM. I don't need it and he's not even selling anything! So, Adios SPAMbles! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:58 PM I'm a grumpy shit, I get angry quite easily, I hate when people poke fun at me but I mean the Vilain of this thread posted 796 PM's I mean get a life I did, as I said I hate when people criticize me however I get over it why can't you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Bill D Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:58 PM I am a member...I shall do as Max asked, and wait & see what happens. I sure wish anonymous guests would do the same. In the meantime, *I* will not respond to any Shambles posted messages, nor to any attempts by anonymous ones to stir the pot. That is all... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Zany Mouse Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM It's Max's call. He put Mudcat in place, finances it and runs, together with Joe and clones, so it should be Max and Joe et al who has the final say. I try to keep my nose clean and hope to be always welcome here. Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Bernard Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM Hammering the point home until you split the wood is hardly likely to achieve anything worthwhile... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:27 PM i agree with bill d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: jacqui.c Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:34 PM So do I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: number 6 Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:39 PM Max made his point,loud and clear .... everything being posted is everything we have heard before ... so far a lot of this is just repetitive rhetoric we have all seen on various threads (and too many) previously. We all pretty well know by now were we all stand on this issue. Lets just leave it at that and get on with it. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: Georgiansilver Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:59 PM Guest of 01.44pm.....It may have escaped your notice but Shambles has posted on this thread....I for one reacted to that not to the posting of the thread itself. As for being 'moral weaklings' I suppose as a GUEST you feel you are entitled to make that kind of judgement...In my book, people either earn or don't earn respect by their own manner......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: gnu Date: 06 Jan 07 - 03:08 PM I agree with Bill as well. Hehehehehehe!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Shambles has been asked to leave From: KT Date: 06 Jan 07 - 03:23 PM from Max Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:15 PM We're going to take this one step at a time. Step one is to use very clear language as to my wishes. Catters and Vols will be alerted when I'm ready to take another step. I expect everyone to be adults here, and not disrespect me, Shambles or the Mudcat. Don't mistake my decision to do this as permission to publicly berate a fellow human being. Let's honor Max's wishes. |