BS: BNP Ballet dancer

Subject: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:32 AM

Simone Clarke, principal dancer with English National Ballet, has been outed as a member of the British National Party. 36 year-old Clarke herself is the partner of Yat-Sen Chang, a Cuban dancer of Chinese extraction. Clarke's stated concern, however, is about immigration, which she says "has really got out of hand". There have now been calls for the ENB to sack her.

What do people here think about this.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:53 AM

I agree with the Observer article last weekend. She can be criticised and dropped if her piruettes are not up to par but she is not employed for her political skills, so I don't think it reasonable to sack her for them; in fact in the ordinary course of events she has no opportunity at all to express any views publically as a representative of ENB. It doesn't seem any different to me to demanding a footballer is sacked because he has a personal opinion about something, or indeed a musician or sculptor.

I understand that there is a complicating factor, which is that there have been hints the ENB, as a recipient of public funding, might find its income curtailed if she is not sacked. That would be unjust but not, I'm afraid, that far out of the ordinary.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:07 AM

Nevertheless, its just as I've always suspected....

Inside every anorexic in a tutu, theres a 20 stone, shaved head in bovver boots trying to get out.

I bet Billy Elliot was a Skrewdriver fan.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:11 AM

*LOL* WLD!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:20 AM

I despise the British Nazi Party and eveything for which it stands. However, if she can be fired for the personal and political beliefs she holds then so can you, regardless of what those beliefs are. I agree with DMcG.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Alba
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:20 AM

ROFL WLD...The very thought of that.......wicked!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:24 AM

I agree with the comments made by DMcG, although I have my doubts of those made by weelittledrummer. After reading an interview with Simone Clarke, it seems to me that she is merely worried about the number of immigrants entering the country suppressing the wages of people already in this country (who need not be white, let alone English) and driving up rents. She does not strike me as racist, especially when you consider that her boyfriend is hardly a white Anglo-Saxon protestant.

Although I share her concerns, the BNP are hardly the answer. They are still Nazis with a racist ideology. Their campaign to put a respectable face on their racism does not fool me a bit and if Simone Clarke is as genuine as she seems, then she is making a huge error of judgement. Of course, she may be putting up a smokescreen to hide the depth of her own racism... but then would she have a Chinese-Cuban boyfriend? A tough one.

However, her views should not be allowed to jeopardise her profession, which is irrelevant to her dancing.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:32 AM

If she's employed as a dancer and she became rubbish then sack her, but not because of what she beleives in supposedly.

I come from Scotland and here in Scotland you don't of the British Nazi party up here. I know that they are around.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Alba
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:35 AM

I'm sure she will sort her problems out herself Penguin Egg.
The less time, bandwidth and mental effort given to the B** on the Mudcat the better as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:41 AM

I think DMcG is right; she's hardly the brightest bunny in the hutch, and seems to have latched on to the views of an odious group rather through ignorance than anything else. Were she to be sacked, I'm sure that odious group would immediately claim her as a martyr, and its fellow travellers among the readers of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express would weep and wail about "political correctness gone mad" and sundry piffle. So let's not go there, as they say.
If she were a schoolteacher or anyone else charged with the care of others, then maybe one would find her views incompatible with her job, but she is after all, just a hoofer.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

If people started calling for her sacking for the memebership of a like it or not, legal, organisation that does not interfere with her work, then they would be showing even less tolerance than the BNP themselves.


The BNP should be taken very seriously indeed. They use real problems and legitimate concerns to cover some very nasty beliefs. Hounding the memebers is not the solutions, adressing the problems is.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 12:10 PM

I think that, regrettably, many people are being 'driven into the arms' of the BNP by what is seen as (& often rightly) the Governments inept handling of the whole issue of Immigration/Asylum Seekers/Migrant Workers.

There are people that believe that in certain areas of London, 'Immigrants' (though its the case that many perceived as immigrants are actually British-born to foreign-born parents) are close to outnumbering ethnic Brits. The same situation is perceived (or claimed) up here in the North, though in London or up here, I don't think that except in small areas (a matter of a few streets together, for instance) do numbers in those areas achieve anything like parity of numbers, let alone dominant numbers of what the BNP would consider 'foreigners'. Maybe others can confirm this?

As usual, much of the blame for this skewed perception can be laid at the foot of the media. Particularly over Christmas, there was a slew of newspaper articles reporting that in such-&-such a place, traditional decorations were not being publicly displayed for fear of offending non-Christians. There had been instances of the same sort of thing re Guy Fawkes night, again jumped on by the press. I place the fuss over the Air Stewardess & her crucifix in the same category. In not one instance that I saw did the media place blame for all this nonsense where it belongs, at the feet of the 'Political Correctness' lobby, & thus, those who wish to have their prejudices reinforced use these instances as further ammunition against ethnic minorities.

As for Ms Clarke, well I agree with what seemingly everyone has said here, its not really relevant that a dancer holds such views, though doubtless the 'PC Brigade' will disagree, & we'll hear their disagreements in due course.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 12:59 PM

Does she wear the bovver boots on stage?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:31 PM

While I deplore your views , I will fight to the death for you to have the right to express them !

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:35 PM

Her Union may be 'forced' to do something by it's members. Without Union membership her working possibilities will be severely limited.

If funding hangs in the balance she will be dropped like a very graceful hot potato.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:36 PM

"Does she wear the bovver boots on stage?"

Well, they could come in handy for the Nutcracker Suite...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:51 PM

I just feel sorry for her that's all because nearly everyone is ganging up on her free speech

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:01 PM

Well I know Tom its terrible, but the sawstikas on her tights gave her away.....

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 05:23 PM

Don't feel sorry for Ms Clarke or any other BNP member.In Swansea where I live a BNP activist and member has just been convicted for racially abusing and threatening a women in asian dress who was waiting at a pedestrian crossing .This bonehead from the safety of his car started giving her the nazi salute and sieg heiling at her as well as shouting other racist abuse.
An onlooker was so shocked and appalled at his threats that she took his car number and followed him to a nearby garage where he was taken into custody,charged and fined.
if you are going to feel sorry for anyone feel sorry for the victim and those many others who have been threatened,assaulted and harassed by BNP and other racist thugs.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 06:22 PM

Most of that stuff in "the media" - meaning, primarily, the Daily Mail, the paper that at one time supported Hitler - is skewed and distorted, and intentionally so. Headlines like that get people curious and sell papers.

Over the years any number of these scare campaigns aboutr "political correctness gone mad" or stuff like European Union bans on the wrong shped bananas have turned out to be rubbish. But they live on as endlessly recycled urban myths.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 07:02 PM

"Inside every anorexic in a tutu, there's a 20 stone, shaved head in bovver boots trying to get out."

Or maybe one on the outside, trying to get in.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 07:04 PM

*ROFL*

The original made me laugh, but that nearly made me spurt tea all over, Cluin!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:04 AM

wrong shaped bananas? They come in different shapes?!

Cluin and WLD, LMAO!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 01:13 AM

Bananas - see here.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Billy Suggers
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:45 AM

Must be Hell to dance with - inststs on only using the Right Wings (except at the National, when the Front's OK)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:15 AM

Maybe she was talking about the Ballet National Party.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,Phyllis Steyne
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:29 AM

I am no racist, but they do say that some of those Foreign Fellows, especially our Dusky Cousins, have extremely large bulges in their tights. It may be considered Politically Incorrect to point out that this could be very inconvenient if such a Gentleman were to become excited when dancing with one of Our Girls. I am told that they find white Women irresistible, and it could cause great inconvenience and loss to our ballet Companies if an untoward incident were to occur.

Send them all home, I say!

I must go home now.

Yours more in hope than expectation,
P.Steyne (Miss).

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,Stevie D
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:24 PM

Of course she shouldnt be sacked, she should be given tons of air time and allowed to air her views, any person who supports BNP should be allowed to air theyre views openly, then they can be questioned by people who truly understand the issues they think they are addressing, and they would be made to look like the idiots they are. the answer is obvious, give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:54 PM

I don't think the BNP should be given any air time at all.They are not a bunch of right wing tories.They are fascists and nazis.Don't be fooled by the suits!
The BNP was founded by an open nazi,the late John Tyndall, who used to parade around with his mates in nazi style regalia.He and his leading cronies had convictions for racial hatred,violent assault and much more.
The present leader Griffin has a conviction for incitement to racial hatred.One of his deputy leaders has a conviction for bomb making and for assaulting a jewish teacher who was removing racist graffiti on the London Undereground.
The Soho and Brixton nailbomber ,David Copeland,killed three and maimed hundreds in his killing spree about eight years ago.
A BNP gang were caught on camera last year boasting about how they liked to shove dog mess through the letterboxes of asian shopkeepers.In the same secretly shot video they were seen discussing how trade union anti racist campaigners could be attacked.
When these thugs gain a platform others get attacked,harassed or intimidated."No plaform for nazis" was a slogan in the thirties and it still applies today.
albert

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,JC
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 05:18 PM

Many of my local council believe in magic, turning water to wine and so on, can I insist that they also be removed. I'd rather have people with their feet on the ground and living in the real world.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,Sian
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 05:37 PM

The difference between Guest JC s local cllrs and the bigots in the BNP is that those on his local council do not usually go around stirring up race hatred,committing race hate crimes and attacking muslims,Jews or black people.The BNP fascists do all these things despite cloaking themselves in suits of respectability.
Sian

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,JC
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 05:42 PM

I'm not defending the BNP, I agree with your view of them. My point is about removing people from their jobs because of their views. Although it was a rather light hearted way of making my point it is rather scary that many people in power believe in this religious nonsense and of course make decisions accordingly.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,Stevie D
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 02:21 AM

Just a quick reply to Albert, i dont mean an open platform to sread theyre hatred, but lets get them on T.V with Paxman, see how theyre thoughts and policies come across, i dont know if you have ever heard of a broadcaster called "Jon Gaunt" he used to do a talk show on BBC London, he always had a BNP representative on when there was elections or whatever, everytime he questioned them he made them look like a bunch of idiots who were so unelectable it was laughable. this problem with hushing them up and not confronting them causes a lot more problems than it solves, it creates an enigma about them, as someone said earlier, they use real social problems to hide theyre filthy policies. I think the main party´s should confont this growing problem and expose them for the idiots they are.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 06:03 AM

Sadly I don't think an urbane verbal sniper like Paxman is really quite the chap to deal with the BNP.

People aren't recruited into the BNP for reasons of logical argument, an attraction to Nietzean philosophy, or even a deep concern about the racial purity of these Islands - all that would be bad enough.

They join because they want to network with thugs.

Hitler is the role model for these guys not because of any shared views about racial identity, but because he took thuggery through its highest possible trajectory. He treated whole of Europe like it was was an amusement arcade for him to smash up.

I suspect if being a member of the Friends of the Earth or Guide Dogs for the Blind afforded similar violent delights and adventures, these guys would just as easily fit into those organisations.

The sort of people who bomb abortion clinics, put bombs under doctors who use vivisection in their research, put bombs in the Warrington MacDonalds full of kids - they must be in it for the same sort of jollies.

Quite how our ballet dancing friend fits into this - I have no idea. I suppose they need some semi intelligent ones to couch their manifestos in a subtle enough way to avoid prosecution.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 11:38 AM

reply to stevie D
The problem with at least one of the mainstrean parties....New Labour ...is that it has been acting as a recruiting seargeant for the BNP.
Instead of opposing racism and the scapegoating of ethnic minorities it has actively demonised them in all kinds of ways ,through public statements and speeches and via legislation.

Every time Blunkett made a speech on immigration for example the BNP applauded loudly and called for more.Likewise with the so called "war on terror" legislation which has resulted in the demonisation of a fearful and threatened muslim community.

T
he last thing the bigots and boneheads of the BNP need is a platform to spout their racist filth.
About 18 months ago in Swansea in the middle of an election campaign a gang of about 20 BNP male thugs surrounded a lone female Green Party female activist and terrorised her in the middle of Swansea on a few yards from the Evening Post office.
These thugs need to be opposed not given the space to organise or agitate their fascist bilge.
Albert

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,Stevie D
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 06:58 AM

Albert
Interesting debate, and i think we are in agreement on certain points, but however, if so called reresentatives of a legal organisation behave in an intimidating manner as you said, then the full weight of the law should be dealt to them. it is then up to the party to dis-associate themselves from such acts. if they wont do this, then steps must be made to make sure they have no place in British politics.
New Labour has indeed been a recruiting seargent for Tthe BNP, solely because of their inneffective policies. immigration and asylum are serious problems that need addressing, just because you have an opinion about it doesnt make you a racist. New Labour have been very effective at making anyone who has centre right view seem like Nazi morons. The effect has been that people who are living in Britain, regardless of colour or creed is starting to feel rejected, like what they feel doesnt matter. There is the platform for the BNP.

What i say is confront them with theyre policies, lets not let them shout and hollar what they can do from the sidelines, where the only people listening is the rejected millions, lets hear them put some meat on the bone. And the simple truth is that they wouldnt be able to do it, because theyre policies have no substance, they are coloring the political picture with a paint roller. everyone would see this.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:23 AM

No! they don't go anywhere near the mainstage... that's the mistake they made with Hitler. he promised anything to anybody. Thatcher did the same - she promised Moss Evans and his mates "free collective bargaining" - ask Scargill how bloody free it was.

theres always a load twats who fall for the 'free lunch' gambit. If you have no intention whatsoever staying within the framework of democracy - you can say anything to get power - knowing that there will be no final accounting.

If 1939-5 had any lessons to be written written in stone - don't underestimate fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,pennykins-fluffybunny
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 08:16 AM

What utter madness, why should anyone be sacked because of their political views. No matter what type of employment one is in one is entitled to one's opinion. This country is purpoted to be a democracy,it is only democratic if your views lie within the elected boundaries of that which is 'Politically correct'. She is not imposing her beliefs on the people enjoying the ballet, by interrupting the show to spout the rhetoric of the BNP. People are resorting to the BNP. in desperation. Britain is in decline and i assume that those that cannot see the multi-cultural mess that this country has become, live in St. johns Wood, or somwhere else as elite. i live in Barking and my community is awash with unemployed Albanians by day, (many of whom were featured on Dispatches for trafficking young girls for prostitution).By night the town is rife with intimidating African gangs with ill fitting jeans. The older generation that fought for this country are disgusted, as am i. This is why people are turning to the BNP.I am a white British Born middle aged woman, with an Indian heritage. However, i can fully understand the desperation of the people of Britain. Furthermore, i am in the final year of a degree in politics,(with a view to teach) and i am unable to air my Political views for fear of being labelled racist. Such is the desire of Britain to embrace multi-culturalism, a violent murderer escaped the country with his sister's dress on and her passport. i can only liken the current events in Britain to some sort of surreal sitcom which i may write when i cannot teach!!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Alba
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 08:23 AM

Like I said earlier I'm sure this Ballet Dancer will sort her problems out herself.
The less time, bandwidth and mental effort given to the B** on the Mudcat the better as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 09:01 AM

"Such is the desire of Britain to embrace multi-culturalism, a violent murderer escaped the country with his sister's dress on and her passport."

Eh?

What has the one thing to do with the other?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 09:53 AM

By night the town is rife with intimidating African gangs with ill fitting jeans
Godzooks woman, that's a disgrace!
Hitherto I was apathetic, but your timely warning has galvanised me.
What's to be done about this epidemic of ill-fitting jeans? Should we despatch a crack squad of Jewish tailors to Barking to run 'em up a proper bit of schmutter? At the very least I expect my African gangs to look smart.
But, pennykinss, before you start teaching I really thing you should do something about your grammar and syntax - it's worse than an African's jeans!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

Have some respect for our culture.

Fascists bombed this country to pulp. Our parents had to give up their lives to go out and physically stop them enslaving and murdering throughout Europe and the Pacific.

In the present set up, they repeatedly insult and persecute minority groups. They can be found stirring up trouble with the hooligan element all over the country.

Their so called 'opinions' are only the window dressing for psychotic illness.

Do we have to grant the member paedophile rings, and psychpathic murderers their place round the table to express their 'opinions'.

If you need to think about that one, the answer you are searching for is, NO WE BLOODY DON'T!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Ballet dancer
From: GUEST,albert
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 03:16 PM

A word about the BNP and culture. Firstly the BNP leadership past and present are inspired by Hitler and his nazi politics and creed.This was the liller who did his damnest to wipe out the culture of Europe and sent his bombers in wave upon wave to destroy London and its east end in particular.
Incidentally there were polish air squadrons who fought alongside their British comrades to stop these bombers while out at see West Indian and African crews manned the merchant ships that sent essential foodstuffs and other supplies to this country to ensure its suurvival.
The BNP stands in opposition to all forms of culture.It believes in a kind of weird aryan cultural straitjacket that has never actually existed. It hates black people and the music they have gifted to the world such as jazz and blues. Hitler smashed all forms of cultural organisation except those controlled and approved by the nazis.The BNP stands in this tradition.
albert