Yorkshire Folk Awards?

Subject: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 05:28 AM

I understand that plans are afoot to launch The Yokshire Folk Awards (Tyfas).

Suggests are welcomed for:

1. Titles of the various Awards,
2. Rules for arriving at winners
3. Nominations for the various Awards
4. A venue for the Award ceremony

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Dazbo
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:33 AM

1) Best Singer; Best Duo; Best Group; Best instrumentalist (by category - strings, wind, free reed etc?); Best Folk club/venue; Best Dance Band; Best Session; Best Value; Best recording; Achievement award; Services to folk in Yorkshire; Most Promising new-comer;

2)* Most importantly I like them (I think that goes without saying); They resident in Yorkshire (I'd suggest the pre-1974 borders) since at least the preceeding year to the awards.

4) Sheffield of course:-)

* Of course this implies that a definition of what 'folk' is, or at least in terms of qualifying for nomination, required. Controversially I'd exclude singer/songwriters unless at least 25% of their usual repertoire is traditional

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: IanC
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:34 AM

I think Ilkley Winter Gardens might be a good venue - if it still exists.

:-)

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:56 AM

Any chance you can stretch the borders slightly to include Lincolnshire :-)

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:01 AM

Another award should be "Best Traditional Song Written By The Artist".

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: JulieF
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:02 AM

Are you including people who just happen to be living in Yorkshire or do you want a regional flavour ( Music of Yorkshire Origin - MYOs ?). That would be a nice kettle of worms.    Seriously I have lived in Yorkshire for 20 years but by no stretch of the imagination should I be called a Yorkshire singer.

Perhaps you could hold the event at one of the festivals - gaining publicity for both. If you edge towards Lincolnshire then Sheffield would be a good venue and there is the folk festival here at the end of October.

J

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:07 AM

Is it a wind-up, Les in Chorlton? I wasn't sure.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:18 AM

Most useless tosser in folk music award, two nominees, John Leonard and Mike Harding.

eric

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:19 AM

Scrump,

you have seen and commented upon life as it appaers here. This is related to Folkiedave and his appearance(?) on the wireless radio.

Another award should be "Best Traditional Song Written By The Artist".

I think this suggest you have recognised the spirit of the post.

I think the Awards should be open to anyone, anywhere, as is the spirit of the peoples music, but that a certain"Yorkshire perspective" should be observed.

This perspective may, in itself, may provoke discussion.

I lived in Leeds for a year and though I never sort migrant status I felt my perspective on life was for ever altered. For one, the idea that getting drunk on a Monday lunch time was not bad thing.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:38 AM

Presumably all the prizes would go to Kate Rusby and Waterson/Carthy. No change there then.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 07:43 AM

I suspect not Guest, the World is your pudding my friend

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 08:12 AM

That's easy then:

Tyke Folk Singer of the Year
Best Tyke Duo
Best Tyke Group
Best Tyke Album
Best Original Tyke Song
Best Traditional Tyke Track
Horizontal Award (for best drunken Tyke singer)
Tyke Musician of the Year
Best Live Tyke Act

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: JulieF
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 08:21 AM

define Tyke

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 08:39 AM

Being a Yorkshireman born and bred I would suggest it being only open to people born and bred in Yorkshire, there are a lot of extremely good singers, musicians etc in Yorkshire who were not born here who would probably take all the awards otherwise!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 08:40 AM

Put Tyke into the forum search, you'll find his posts, I'm not sure he needs any encouragement [awards] though.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:02 AM

I rather hoped it would be a Yorkshire view on the World. I think Yorkshire can reward all kinds of people for bringing joy to Yorkshire.

As someone said, everybody brings joy to yorkshire, some when they arrive and some when they leave!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:02 AM

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: johnadams
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:03 AM

Most useless tosser in folk music award, two nominees, John Leonard and Mike Harding.

eric (the red)

Mike Harding isn't from Yorkshire and as far as I'm aware has never lived there. He's a Lanky!

You could have a special category though........

As they say, "Wars of the Roses - as yet, no result!!

J

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:05 AM

Mike Harding has lived in the Yorkshire Dales, but I don't think he does now.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:08 AM

Tyke: Yorkshire dialect or Yorkshire folk. See here.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,Pilgrim
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:09 AM

As they say, "Wars of the Roses - as yet, no result!!

Are you sure? I thought there was a reason the Yorkshire Rose was white.

I'll get me coat...

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Dazbo
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:17 AM

Tyke sounds too much like dyke - which may lead to some humerous misunderstandings:-)

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 09:21 AM

1...All awards go to the Waterson Family.

2...All presentations to be made in Kingston upon Hull at various
    venues, upstairs at the Blue Bell being 1st. choice [once
    they've got rid of the bloody pool tables!]

3...Date? Well it would be nice to combine it with the
    Shanty weekend.

Sorted!

See you at the RAH on the 12th. May '07

BP

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,Tessa the Talib
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 02:12 PM

More fucking awards? Shove 'em up your collective Northern lard-filled arses!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,Small Brother
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:09 PM

Thank you Jade, how are things in the House?

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:12 PM

best flok writer: JOhn from HuLl.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:14 PM

As far as I know, no one has suggested that Awards should be given for sex, but I don't see why this should not be a serious consideration. My experience of Yorkshire suggests much joy can be shared there.

As for people of the North having a collective arse, let alone one filled with lard, please tell. Tessa, have you had an unhappy experience you would feel better sharing? Though perhaps not here?

Now, Award for the most concise criticism of folk awards in general?

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:26 PM

How about
The Best "Les In Chorlton"
And for the TRaditionalists
The Les In Chorlton Grande Prix?
An award for,
Best artiste. Who doesnt think White hare is traditional,but it isnt because I want a prize,because I dont anyway?
The trophy could be a very large anything and the winner gets to insert into Mike Harding.
LOL
Errrrr Somewhere in yorky land.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:48 PM

......much joy can be shared there.

I live in Yorkshire and going back to the swinging sixties in Hull there were no prostitutes.

Driven off the streets by amateurs they were - poor lassies.

The Earl De Grey was never the same.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:52 PM

Should I mention the Whip in Leeds?

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,Tessa the Talib
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:54 PM

Yes I'm having a bad experience. I am living in West Yorkshire. The worst place I have ever had the misfortune to be domiciled. As the rest of the world adjusts to the 21st century, W. Yorks is struggling to come to terms with 20th.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 03:55 PM

Tim, please explain

"An award for,
Best artiste. Who doesnt think White hare is traditional,but it isnt because I want a prize,because I dont anyway?"

But this is priceless
"The trophy could be a very large anything and the winner gets to insert into Mike Harding."

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 04:14 PM

Well, Tessa, I can strongly recommend a night with The Duncamn McFarlane Band to cheer up West Yorkshire.

Perhaps you could cook up the ironic and sardonic Award for those who have given their best in the aide of Tyles?

Then again, maybe not.

Must be off the Folk Club calls and it is 200 yards away, just past the tree that has been blown over
Cheers

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: stallion
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:09 PM

ok u lot get down t't tap & spile york on a friday neet, warms cockles at art

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:27 PM

"An award for,
Best artiste. Who doesnt think White hare is traditional,but it isnt because I want a prize,because I dont anyway?"

Just a reflection from another thread on the subject of awards.

This thread is better because it is funny on purpose.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:30 PM

Oh and yes you cant watch Dunky without cheering up he is Brilliant and another nice guy.
He does agreat lecture on C modal guitar tuning.
LOL

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 05:11 AM

"I'm having a bad experience. I am living in West Yorkshire"

Those boundary changes of 1974 weren't entirely unwelcome. The dale I lived in switched from the West Riding to North Yorkshire, a highly satisfactory development!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 07:05 AM

Alright for some, but pity the poor boogers doomed to live in SOUTH Yorkshire!!!!!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 07:50 AM

I live in the (formerly) Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire. We enjoy being in the 20th century. After all the beer is at those prices too.

And we have stopped eating our own young these days. We'll mostly, (an exception is Barnsley).

And we are the home of the "Sheffield Carols" which is why people come from all over the world to listen to us sing. And watch us eat us own young in Barnsley.

We used to mek us own fun in them days.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 09:13 AM

Hey Tim - re: 'Oh and yes you cant watch Dunky without cheering up'

... yep, most folk burst out laughing when they see me! hah!

And Les....
I can't qualify for Yorkshire at anything!
I've only been resident since 1974 - married a Yorkshire lass to ingratiate mesen further in 1977 - fathered a Yorkshire lass wi that good lady in 1987......
No good - still wouldn't satisfy yer dyed-in-the-wool Yorkshire Tyke!
Perhaps when I die and am buried in Yorkshire soil - they might 'just' allow 'Associate Membership'!!!

(Just joshin' y' understand!) - Hugs - Duncan

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 10:07 AM

Did somebody mention 'The Earl De Grey' pub in Hull? Currently boarded up and for sale.

The landlord, some years back, used to keep a couple of parrots, good talkers, you could say to one of them "you from Hull then?" To which the reply would be "No matey we're from Cornwall" Then the other one would chime in with "Parrots from Penzance, parrots fr......."

And the band played 'Believe It If You Like'!!!!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: r.padgett
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 12:35 PM

'Ey up!

I will mention the ongoing War of The Roses at Saddleworth FF once again here for those that like a good battle in song

Also John Greaves a real traditional singer who has recently come to the fore a hidden treasure of Yorkshire songs!

Of mention I think are Will Noble and John Cocking, Arthur Howard, Frank Hinchliffe, Ernest Dyson, Ernest Yates, Barry Bridgewater as traditional Yorkshire sources

Clearly Kate Rusby, Katherine Roberts, Robin Garside, Pat Walker, Roy Bailey, Dave Burland, Derek and Dorothy Elliot, Sharon Fountain, Hissy Fit, Jim Eldon, Copper Kettle, ~


Ray

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 12:43 PM

And then there are the fountains of all knowledge on folk songs Steve Gardham and Malcolm Douglas whose erudition has graced this board so many times. Then there is Grenoside, Handsworth, and Flamborough Sword teams.

We used to mek us own fun in them days.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 01:08 PM

Before we rush into the land of parochialism, Yorkshire, as I understand it, is another country, not simply another part of the North. As such it is in a strong position to give Awards to anyone it chooses not just people born there. Look what this strategy did for it's cricket.

What are the characteristics of Tykes? Financial rigour? Independance? Strong local traditions? A natural mistrust of sunshine? Having Tories of their own?

Perhaps we could progress by throwing this list out and starting another and then use that to start to dishout Awards?

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 01:22 PM

Heard the interveiw on radio 4 today.
Thought Dave put across the case very well and thought that the alleged malefactor seemed to be dodging the bullets and hiding behind
Seth a bit.
But if you havent read the thread on t subject he was on the face of it being quite reasonable.
How ever back to this one.
I think that as a mark of respect there should be a new form of award were the ashes of famous performers are placed into shaky eggs and sold to their fans.
With the Mudcat taking a proportion of the profits
and the rest going to the retired musicians home that I am hoping to start in the near future.
Thus enabling the true fans to finaly own a part of their hero or heroine (as many seem to think they do any way)and to enable the deceased maestro to continue to be heard for many years to come.
Of course they could also have the pleasure of knowing that they are in some small way still able to get revenge on those undeserving recipients of music awards by barracking them at all their future gigs anywhere on the planet.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 01:28 PM

Tim you are a true creative genius!

I think you should be nominated in the category:

The Most Financial Rigorous use of Dead Folkie.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 02:54 PM

Easy... all awards to Will Noble....

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: danensis
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 03:59 PM

As a Yorkshireman born and bred, I can't see how any club could win that charges for admission. Indeed the whole notion of paying to purchase music seems wholly counter-intuitive, when one can simply tread on the cat.

John

Subject: RE: Yorkshire Folk Awards?
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 04:33 AM

How about:

"To John Leonard for his creative re-interpretation and definition of traditional music"