BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia [19 Jan 07]

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: Marje
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:07 AM

Ach, Joe, and dare's me tinkin you were tryin to wroite in an Oirish accent, begorrah bejabbers!

Marje

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 08:30 AM

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 08:38 AM

Heard in a Shepherds Bush pub some years ago.

Young man proudly showing off a bouzouki he'd just brought back from Greece, voice from the staunch Rebublican corner "How de f**k de yer stop a tank wid dat ting!!!?"

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:28 AM

I once spotted a guy heading into a pub full of music, carrying the sort of long, cylindrical document carrier architects use to transport drawings. " Ah! A bazooka player!", sez I...

Exit rapidly

Regards

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 11:30 AM

Listening to traditional Irish(or English, or Scottish or whatever) folk recordings, and then comparing them with the folk revival sound of the same material, is very educational, and very amusing! Margaret Barry to Clannad I would recommend, as an interesting transition.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST,stacey
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM

i think damien dempsey is just brutally honest, why fanny about with songs about merry ploughboys which have no relevance to today

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: Dazbo
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:06 AM

So Stacey, you'd only sing about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, problems with the NHS, Jade Goody, President Bush would you? What about the ploughboy in the tractor, is that relevent enough?)

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:03 PM

daminen dempsey singing about people in an everday house is harldy jade goody and iraq now is it, lets not be stupid,

stop reading into things which arent there to plainly have a go at somone. and yes the ploguh boy in the tractor is perfectly relevant enough.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: Declan
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 06:49 AM

Anybody see the companion program on BBC4 last Friday?

I had no problem with anything that was included, but was a bit dissapointed with the absence of any footage of Sweeney's Men, Planxty, and the Bothy Band, who formed such an important part of the story told in the documentary.

The footage shown all seems to have been from the Central BBC Archives. There is (or at least there used to be) some very good archive footage from the 70s in the BBC Northern Irelad archives. They compiled it into a series called sessions of the 70s a few years ago.

Also, as I said above I'd have liked to see some of the people they filmed for the documentary included (e.g. Paddy Glackin, Téada, Johnny Moynihan).

Apart from that it was overall a good program for which the BBC should be given huge credit.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: melodeonboy
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:31 AM

I enjoyed the Folk Hibernia concert programme, but I got so irritated by the companion programme that I turned it off. Most of it seemed to be people miming on Top of the Pops.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 04:55 AM

I enjoyed it

Saw Celtic Connections bit this weekend and Shane McGowan and use of the bazzooki which seems to have been a turning point in the Irish sound associated with current Irish music (set the scene)

I was asked yesterday who the woman was who kept coming up (Anne Briggs) and we also chatted about Bert Lloyd (A.L.) and Ewan Mccoll with my folkie friends

Some interesting times

Who was the bazzooki player ( he was on shown as a young man and also taking as a grey beardy bloke ~ like me)
What was the name of the song sung by Ronnie Drew written by Shane McGowan about the bodies burried in the sand dunes?

Err No I dont know the answer!!

Ray

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: Declan
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:34 AM

Padgett,

The Bozouki player (among his many talents) was Johnny Moynihan, once a member of Sweeney's Men (he also did stints as a member of Planxty and De Dannan).

I don't recall Ronnie singing a Shane McGowan song. I'll have another look and see if I recognise the song.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:53 AM

I had the pleasure of giving this load of crap the trap-door, can you all be serious, the Clancy Brothers began the programme with I`ll tell my ma, and it went even further downhill from there, bloody awful.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:35 AM

Thanks Declan!! I was intrigued and delighted by all of it

Was this the prog where Eire became independent under Eamon Devalera in 1949 (at the the start of the prog) I do LOVE Social History!!

Note I am not Catholic (religion)!! but certainly not unsympathetic being from working class background

Ray

Ray

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: Declan
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 07:42 AM

Ray,

You are talking about the documentary itself, which was a repeat of an earlier showing. Ireland (or a large proportion of it) became independent in 1921. The Free State was declared a Republic in 1949, but was not under DeValera at that particular time. It was one of the few periods between 1927 when Dev came back into parliament after a Civil War and the 1960s when he stepped down, when he had been voted out of office. That's probably more detail than you wanted to know.

Ard Mhacha is referring (I presume) to an acompanying program of archive footage from the BBC which was shown for the first time last Friday. You didn't hang around for Altan (including Frankie Kennedy), Sharon Shannon, Martin Hayes & Denis Cahill then Ard?

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: Declan
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:08 PM

If Ronnie Drew sang a song written by Shane McGowan, it must have been in the Shane McGowan documentary, which I didn't see.

For the record in the "Folk Hibernia" documentary, Ronnie sang "I'll tell me ma", Port Lairge (I was a day in Waterford) and Cutting turf in Ardee. He also sang McAlpine's Fusileers, which I think The Pogues recorded also, but it was written by Dominic Behan, either when Shane was very young, or possibly before he was born.

The Pogues sang two of Shane's songs in the doc - The sick bed of CuChullainn and Fairytale of New York (Shane's lyrics) and also Ewan McColl's Dirty old Town.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 04:07 AM

Declan, You are right I went to bed after that load of rubbish that went before, I know it takes all sorts, but my idea of folk music dosen`t include Van Morrison, the folK clubs I once attended would have had Van going around at the tea interval selling raffle tickets.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 05:35 AM

Declan Many thanks for your detailed information

Ronnie Drew did certainly somewhere sing the Shane McGowan song to which I refer about the bodies buried on the sand dunes

Any one know it?

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia [19 Jan 07]
From: GUEST,mac1
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 03:00 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/folkhibernia/

Follow the link to see a selection of specially shot performance clips that didn't make it in to the original documentary.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia [19 Jan 07]
From: Declan
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 03:56 PM

Thanks for the link Mac1. Some of the clips wouldn't play for me, but I know what they would have sounded like. The inclusion of a few of these clips in the companion program at the expense of some of the less folkie material would have greatly improved the program, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BBC4 tonight Folk Hibernia [19 Jan 07]
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 04:29 PM

Again you are right Declan, they all played for me, and some of them were a big improvement on the original.