Lakeman and Harding

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Scrump
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 04:06 AM

Agreed, Dave, but it would help if people would stick to the thread instead of going off into anti-Lakeman, anti-SOH, anti-Rusby or anti-anyone-"successful" tirades :-)

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Folkiedave
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 03:58 AM

Go read the thread. I am one of the biggest critics and I take my hat off too - or would if I had one.

No-one is putting Seth Lakeman down. Kate Rusby does not come into it.

A bit of history. Every so many years "folk" becomes trendy and the mainstream music takes an interest. Then it goes away. To return again some years later. We are at that point.

CFPTRTBW

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Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 03:32 AM

I would have thought it was good that folk music is getting into the mainstream with the likes of Seth Lakeman & Kate Rusby. Why do people always need to bring people down for doing so well?

I take my hat off to them.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Scrump
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 06:43 AM

We keep having to bring this thread back to the key issue: whether any of us individually likes or dislikes Seth Lakeman as a performer, musician, singer, or person, is 100%, totally, completely, and absolutely irrelevant.

The only point is that one of his songs has been nominated as Best Traditional Track, and this is patently wrong. It doesn't matter that it's Seth Lakeman whose song has been nominated. It wouldn't matter if the song was written by Martin Carthy, Ewan MacColl or Paul McCartney. It could be anybody's song, but it would still be wrong for that song to be nominated in this particular category.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: melodeonboy
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:52 PM

I wish certain people (HH Lady Cornish, Bruce Michael Baillie et al) would take my comments at face value rather than putting words in my mouth or making false assumptions.

For the record, I have never said, or even intimated, that I don't like Seth Lakeman as a person or that I begrudge him his success or that I dislike his singing voice because it's unusual; and I did point out in my previous posting that I consider him to be talented. I merely said that his singing voice irritates me; I therefore don't particularly enjoy listening to him.

What's wrong with saying that, for Christ's sake? Does everybody have to sing from the same hymn sheet on this one? Or have we got to the stage where we're no longer allowed to make any criticism of ceratin folk "gods"?

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 04:26 AM

"...he doesn't seem to favour Seth Lakeman especially and I don't go for the conspiracy theory either, but I do understand that some folk are upset by it.

We have a running joke about his Kate Rusby bias on the beeb messageboard but I don't think she's up for any awards at all this year".

Mrs McCusker may not be nominated for any awards this year but Mr Rusby is (Best Musician)!

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 03:36 PM

Yes, indeed. The Lakepersons Boy Band was dead good. Equation was definitely not so good and the Seth wannabe popstar is not an improvement. Nice bloke though.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 03:32 PM

Seth Lakeman is not a young musician.

He was a young musician ten years ago.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,staceymcmullen
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 02:03 PM

lakemen is cack from another young folk musician

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 02:02 PM

Forfuckssake who cares how many times MH plays the albinobunny track (always from the original FF CD which is the least awful)? If he isn't playing that he'd only be playing krusby or some Americana.

What matters is that the Smoothies have dug their heels in and decided to try and brazen out their monumental cock-up in allowing such a ridiculous nomination to stand. Everybody in the entire world (except the FA's executive producer) knows without a shadow of doubt that TWHINATT and fails to qualify for Best Trad Track under their own published criteria.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Fiona
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:43 PM

I'll have a go too Dave, I'll let you know if they reply.

fx

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:42 PM

>>>And I agree, SOH should have its own thread and I am pleased to see it looks as if it now has two! <<<

:0) :0) :0)

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Folkiedave
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:37 PM

Fiona, I wrote to both Mike Harding and SO.

MH replies if and when he feels like it.

SO responded with two fingers on its web page first of all and an email from John Leonard drawing attention to his reply on the BBC Message Board.

We know JL will not give in - he has decided that the Albino Bunny meets the criteria for a traditional track with reference to the BBC Folk Awards, when it clearly doesn't.

I don't think a letter from me will make his change his mind. Ill maybe catch up with him at a festival or somewhere.

You may have better luck of course.

And I agree, SOH should have its own thread and I am pleased to see it looks as if it now has two!

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:21 PM

. . . or even the Albion Chronicles and asked Sam.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:19 PM

No.

Nor is the fact that lizziecornish happened to see SoH one day in Sidmouth the sole ROUTE to discovering other artists. LC (like Mr Route) lives in Sidmouth and could therefore have found them at any time, whether during the first week in August or at any other nearby venue, of which there are many. It is my understanding that before moving to Sidmouth she lived on Dartmoor yet was entire unaware of the wealth of trad music in the surrounding villages. Nor does she appear to know anything about the long history of Herga in Harrow from whence she came. Perhaps she should have called the Beer/Knightley helpline earlier. Much earlier.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:11 PM

Quite right Scrump...Roots needs it's own thread...Great Idea! :0)

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Fiona
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:09 PM

Apologies from me Scrump et al, I should have known better than to mention them.

As for the 'White Hare', I really don't think MH favours Seth in any way, I think the Celtic Connections set was a coincidence. I was sorry that it wasn't a bit of the concert he did with Karine Polwart tbh, I'd have been interested to hear some of that one.

I had a look at Seths site, I don't think many of his fans care much one way or the other, however the website says he's playing at the Folk Awards (I'll put my spirtle away now).

Has anyone e-mailed Smooth Ops to ask for the recent playlists?

fx

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:07 PM

*yawn*

So, have you told your husband about Sam yet, Lizzie? When are you emigrating?

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:05 PM

MMM Lizzie Cornish likes Show of Hands. I like the Kinks. is this particularly relevant to any discussion here?

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 12:56 PM

I don't think any of this SOH-bashing is very helpful as regards the removal of Seth Lakeman's White Hare from the Best Traditional Track nominations. Let's get the thread back on topic please folks!

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 12:36 PM

From er...Ruth Archer

>>>>I don't really think of SoH as a folk band, which is the reason it is rather anethema to me that a song like Roots should win favourite folk track of all time. Theytt are a rock-pop band with some folk influences. It is also a very recent song. But as their Teenage Fanclub on HRT will no doubt be voting like crazy, it probably will win, in the same way that people like Robbie Williams often top the polls for Most Influential Artist of All Time. Completely skewed and not at all representative, but telling about the sorts of people who indulge in repetitive voting.
"We've lost more than we'll ever know round the rocky shores of England......"

yeah - but happily the insurance will cover most of it, eh? Have you stocked up on the Age Renew makeup and face glitter, Lizzie? <<<<



Echoes of Loughborough fill my head here. ;0)

Now then Sweet Pea...

Thank you for your kind message. First of all I have my glitter on as I type this to you...and very sparkly it is too! I Love it!   
;0)

Secondly....Are you serious????? Age Renew make-up????


Heck Ruthie Baby, I'm a Show of Hands Chick, I don't need that...but I tell you what..I did get some money-off vouchers for "Gee You Sound Old And Crabby' cream in Boots the other day, so if you'd like to send me your address....I'll forward it on to you. I've heard it's particularly good for downward pointing wrinkles around the mouth area, often favoured by those Anti-Show of Hands Lasses out there...I always like to lend a helping hand to those of er...a somewhat Emotionally Wrinkled Disposition. ;0)

And now...to the more serious points of your post....

The Anti Show of Handers are still recovering from the fact of course, that on the first ever Public Vote in the Folk Awards, Show of Hands WON Best Live Act. Smooth Ops then had to change the Public Vote System to something more er...obscure where Show of Hands wouldn't be known about, such as Best Singer With Finger In Ear....Best Person Able To Talk About Cecil Sharp's Underwear Whilst Standing On One Leg...Best Person Able To Bore People Rigid With 52 Verses Of A Child Ballad etc....and on top of that..well....all hell broke loose on the messageboards didn't it!   Chuckle!

Whoopeeee Smiley!! :0)

"It was fixed!" they cried..."Transport them!" "There can surely be only ONE or TWO pathetic Show of Hands fans out there and therefore they must have voted a million times over!" was heard around the gardens of Cecil Sharp House.......

And still The Show of Hands Spin is going on now...but this time 'they've' started it BEFORE Show of Hands have even won ANYTHING!

Oh...Isn't this lovely! I LOVE IT! Great Big Grin Smiley!! :0)

Now then...repeat after me Ruthie Baby..

"The reason Show of Hands win Public Votes is because they have a huge amount of er...PUBLIC who vote for them and those thousands of people vote for them just one time each..and it truly is not just one fan who votes a thousand times over"

Show of Hands are way beyond needing to do anything like that....take it from one who's seen the way their audience has just grown and grown and continues to grow all the time...Heck I even had to travel from Sidmouth to Truro recently to see them, because I left it too late for both of their Exeter gigs, which sold out almost immediately! Still...I got my tickets for their third Royal Albert Hall gig early....I'm not silly! :0)

Yup! Isn't that AMAZING! The World's Most Wonderful Wandering Minstrels, who've worked their backsides off, for the last 15 years or more, gathering their fans around them, writing songs that bring in thousand upon thousand of people, getting people to openly share their music with their blessing.....who are funny, entertaining, highly professional, warm, welcoming and incredibly supportive and helpful to young folk acts...are actually LOVED and hugely supported by their public!

Show of Hands fans aren't Teenagers on HRT, although I'm seeing more and more young people at their gigs these days and Steve Knightley went down as sensationally as Seth did at Exeter Uni a few weeks back, where nearly the entire audience was young people..They LOVED Steve's songs...particularly Roots!

Neither are Show of Hands fans Apathetic Trainspotters. They may not know the order that Cecil collected his songs in...they may not even care...BUT they recognise two incredibly talented musicians when they see and hear them. They recognise also that their music should damn well be everywhere...AND they also recognise that Show of Hands, along with Seth Lakeman, whom Show of Hands supported for years...and still do...are doing HUGE amounts to bring people into FOLK music and they WILL support them.

I KNOW! Isn't that AMAZING?????

AND....Steve and Phil are bringing them in Dancing and Smiling...and sometimes Ranting too, because of the power of their songs! YUP!

Not only that, but so very many of their fans go on to discover vast amounts of other folk/acoustic musicians from there. Take a look over at the Show of Hands fansite, Longdogs, and you'll find many, many other musicians talked about and discussed on there...You'll also find many musicians in there too, who are Longdogs themselves.

I'm afraid that Steve and Phil are a bit of a Folk Phenomenon. Wanted by the major festivals in this country, because they know that where Show of Hands are...so too are the crowds...and those crowds absorb plenty more artists around them when they come to the festivals..and so Folk Music grows and gets spread around and made stronger...for our children and for theirs..

Of course, perhaps the only festival that may not choose Show of Hands could possibly be Loughborough, as a certain Miss Crumpet, who runs that, apparently would rather have 'pins stuck in her eyes' than go to one of their gigs....A shameful thing that she chose to write on the BBC board. Shameful WHOEVER it had been written about in my opinion. But..best to move on from that dreadful remark....

From Eric The Red:

>>>>I seriously have to wonder if Lizzle Cornish has ever heard any real folk music if she thinks wannabee pop band SOH and the latest boy wonder Seth Lakeman are representative of English folksong, they are both soft pop FFS<<<

Helloooo Dave! :0) No, you can't come round and borrow my Bob Fox, Jez Lowe, Barry Lister, George Papavgeris, John Tams, Duncan McFarlane, Nic Jones, Eliza Carthy or Demon Barbers CDs or any of the others either..no matter how much you beg me Dave! Chuckle!! ;0) Oh and Dave...ALL of those artists, and many more, have come to me PURELY because of my finding Show of Hands music at Sidmouth that time.

And as for 'Roots'.....well....every single word of that rings true to me. Perhaps you have to live in The West Country to see how our roots have been destroyed....and also to see how hard Steve, Phil and Seth are working to help plant new seeds...making new roots come up through those old ones...and bringing some knowledge of those roots BACK to the people of The West Country.


Oh...and if anyone wants to take me on over Roots...please...be my guest. ;0)


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 10:06 AM

Seth is with Johnnie Walker this afternoon on BBC Radio Two between 4:30pm and 6:30pm. My guess is he'll get about 30 minutes like Show of Hands did 2 weeks ago.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:59 AM

And a lot less attitude. And is a sweet kid.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:55 AM

"That's part of the the point I was trying to make with the Robbie Williams analogy, Keith. You can't really get perspective on the influence or significance of a song, album or artist until it's been around for a wee while and has had time to find its context, as it were".

Agreed!

Seth Lakeman is actually Robbie Williams minus the tattoos, both in looks and also in vocal range. Strangely Robbie has demonstrated an ability to write in a rather wider range styles, but that might just be his choice of collaborators. I do however think the evidence so far is that Seth has considerably more sense!

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:51 AM

Record companies pay students a bit of pin-money to set up new email addresses from which to bombard radio programmes with fake requests, and "Listeners' Awards" schemes with fake votes.
It is sad, but not really a situation anyone could do much about. The trouble is, once one company starts up this sort of thing, other performers feel pressured to do the same, and soon everyone's at it. If anybody has a theory how to deal with this kind of thing, let's hear it!
   I know people will instantly call me a conspiracy theorist for daring to suggest such behaviour occurs. Well, i assure you it does.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:41 AM

That's part of the the point I was trying to make with the Robbie Williams analogy, Keith. You can't really get perspective on the influence or significance of a song, album or artist until it's been around for a wee while and has had time to find its context, as it were.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:18 AM

"I don't really think of SoH as a folk band, which is the reason it is rather anathema to me that a song like Roots should win favourite folk track of all time. They are a rock-pop band with some folk influences"

Well I do think of SoH as a "folk" band, admittedly with rock edges. However if any song from the last couple of years were to win "Best Folk Song Of All Time" I would be inclined to think that people have been letting what they've just heard influence them too much. The phenomenon is often very marked when people draw up best of the year lists with a large dollop of November/December releases in.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 08:03 AM

"Roots is a dreary, whining rant...but with more socially divisive overtones".

It is those potentially socially divisive overtones in some of the lyrics that have bothered me about "Roots" from the first time I heard it. Well, that and that it paints an overpessimistic image of modern British life. There are about 9 other tracks on "Witness" I prefer to it and there are even more in the rest of the Steve Knightley songbook.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:44 AM

I seriously have to wonder if Lizzle Cornish has ever heard any real folk music if she thinks wannabee pop band SOH and the latest boy wonder Seth Lakeman are representative of English folksong, they are both soft pop FFS

eric

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Fiona
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:38 AM

Folkiedave have you tried e-mailing the Mike Harding Show and asking them? I do listen to it most weeks but he doesn't seem to favour Seth Lakeman especially and I don't go for the conspiracy theory either, but I do understand that some folk are upset by it.

We have a running joke about his Kate Rusby bias on the beeb messageboard but I don't think she's up for any awards at all this year. Funnily enough he played a new re-mix of 'Roots' with crowd singing and such the week before last.

~~~ getting out my spirtle~~~

He has played an awful lot of Bellowhead recently though....

fx

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:30 AM

Look out for the next issue of English Dance and Song, Diane. The Singer, Song and Source article will feature Tim van Eyken, John Barleycorn and Fred Jordan.

Such a great interpretation of the song - even amongst some other great versions, like Martin Carthy's and Jim Causley's. Fantastic stuff.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:23 AM

Roots is a dreary, whining rant offering no more solutions than Country Life did, but with more socially divisive overtones. Even some of those who normally see some merit in the SoH output (myself included) are saying that. Musically, it's a dirge. A demo went out before release to an online radio programme which was, apparently, at the wrong speed. Granted, this made it sound marginally worse than it actually is but the funniest thing was how it prompted lizziecornish to screech at everyone: 'surely you don't think it's supposed to sound like that?' It's still dire.

TVE doing Barleycorn though; I might even switch on MH to listen to that if he ever played it.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:16 AM

I don't really think of SoH as a folk band, which is the reason it is rather anethema to me that a song like Roots should win favourite folk track of all time. Theytt are a rock-pop band with some folk influences. It is also a very recent song. But as their Teenage Fanclub on HRT will no doubt be voting like crazy, it probably will win, in the same way that people like Robbie Williams often top the polls for Most Influential Artist of All Time. Completely skewed and not at all representative, but telling about the sorts of people who indulge in repetitive voting.

"We've lost more than we'll ever know round the rocky shores of England......"

yeah - but happily the insurance will cover most of it, eh? Have you stocked up on the Age Renew makeup and face glitter, Lizzie?

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 07:01 AM

>>>SoH Roots for Favourite Folk Track of All Time?! Christ, please say I just dreamed that.<<<

That's a pretty unpleasant thing to say.

Couldn't pick a better song in my opinion. 'Roots' sums up so very much of what we've *allowed* to be thrown away in this country, through such appalling apathy.

"We've lost more than we'll ever know round the rocky shores of England......"

Lizzie

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 03:08 PM

SoH Roots for Favourite Folk Track of All Time?! Christ, please say I just dreamed that.

I wish he'd have played Tim VE's Barleycorn as many times as it deserved - easily the stand-out track of the year, if not several years.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 01:41 PM

It would be nice Fiona - but the hosts at the BBC, are the same people who run the message boards - who run the Mike Harding Show, who run the Folk Awards.

I am not going to name any names, far too polite for that, let's just call them Smooth Operations for now.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Fiona
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM

To answer Folkiedaves original question, it's hard to say as the playlists aren't archived but I think he played the 'White Hare' before Christmas and again the other week, but I must say I thought playing it the other week was a bit of a piss take because of all the complaints. I'd say he's played 'The Colliers' from Freedom Fields way more.

He's played Salsa Celticas 'Grey Gallito' several times but not in the past few weeks, The van Eyken & Drever ones not so much, I remember him mentioning Kris Drever had won the Scots Trad Award and playing something but I don't think it was 'Green Grows The Laurel'.

On the show where he announced the nominations he played little bits of everything.

I wonder if the host at the beeb could be persuaded to release the playlists?

fx

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 02:03 PM

Ahem. This thread is about the specific nomination of the Lakeperson's ditty The White Hare for the Trad Track Award. Nothing to do with the audience vote for whatever it was. I dread to imagine what DG's reaction might be to a nomination for one of these discredited gongs. Though I'd like to see him throw it back at John Leonard.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Fiona
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:46 PM

lol greg.

Actually I think it'll be Show of Hands 'Roots' if one of the old Fairport ones doesn't get it. I voted for Dick Gaughan, he never wins anything at these awards, I said if he didn't get a lifetime achievement on this year I would stand outside and pelt them with deep fried mars bars, I'm testing batter recipes for extra sharp edges...

fx

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:29 PM

The "White Hare" is heavily tipped for that one, Fiona.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Fiona
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:17 PM

There is one section of the award voted for by the audience, for 'Favourite Folk Track of All Time', it still looks to be open here.

Folk Award audience vote

Last year it was for Best Dance Act and Whapweasel won, the year before Best Live Act and SHow of Hands won.

fx

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:09 PM

Quite right George.

Let stinking commence! :-)

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:05 PM

I don't see how we can harm the music we love by kicking up a stink. We're in a world where no publicity is bad publicity. "Keeping it quiet" simply allows other voices to be heard. Nah, let the stink fly, I say

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:54 AM

Because the Albino Bunny won the vote - which had to be in by the middle of December - and now they are totally embarrassed.

Good.

But we are in a dilemma - and JL knows this.

If we kick up too big a stink then all we do is harm the music we love. So we tend not to.

Many of the press we would have to deal with are not past the folk is done by "people who wear aran-sweaters, have fingers in their ear, tankards hanging off their belts and long beards".

And that is just the women.......

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:41 AM

Unfortunately, Feedback only picked up on one of my points(the more boring one). they didn't mention my more significant beef: which was that listeners had been deceived into thinking it was relevant all that PRS stuff, whereas in fact it was irrlevant, because S Lakeman had in fact withdrawn the "trad" claim monthss ago. As John Leonard knows perfectly well. but managed to imply the opposite rather neatly, as a glance at the transcript shows.
   Strange, the game he is playing. issuing a slow drip drip of easily refutable staements, and then modifying them when challenged. He could easily have dealt with this whole thing when it came up way before Christmas. How come he is prolonging it like this?

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:48 AM

The only issue picked up on Feedback was the question of whether less royalties could be earned from a trad. designation.
It was conceded that was not true, but argued that he would not earn as much in royalties if other artists recorded it subsequently.
End of discussion.
No mention at all of how the song could not reasonably be described as traditional at all.

That's very disappointing, to say the least. Does that mean that more people were concerned about the loss of future royalties to Seth Lakeman than whether his song is traditional or not?

How does that square with the fact that on the single, it is credited to him as the author, with no mention of "trad arr"?

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Folkiedave
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:29 AM

Yes it is a shame.

They do things differently on Radio 3.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/worldmusic/a4wm2007/audience_award.shtml

Fancy letting the audience vote - what do they know!!

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 09:58 AM

The only issue picked up on Feedback was the question of whether less royalties could be earned from a trad. designation.
It was conceded that was not true, but argued that he would not earn as much in royalties if other artists recorded it subsequently.
End of discussion.
No mention at all of how the song could not reasonably be described as traditional at all.

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 08:27 AM

Mmm, yes please, Barbara!

Re. Greg's point, I find very encouraging that songwriters of the calibre of George and Tom are so vocal in defending the concept of "traditional song". It's not just the old finger-in-ear stereotypes, you know....

Subject: RE: Lakeman and Harding
From: BB
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 08:15 AM

There are times when I could hug you, Brian! I don't always say a lot (on this forum anyway), but you always seem to hit the nail on the head and echo my thoughts exactly. Thank you!

Barbara