BS: Jade (UK show character)

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 09:24 AM

I guess there are some strange ideas about what racism is and they are not balanced in any way...eg...If in the UK you call a pakistani a 'paki'...it is racist. Why then is it not racist when the yanks call the brits 'brits' and the brits call the yanks 'yanks'?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:42 AM

Is this racism?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 05:23 AM

Does driving all those fast cars make him a racist?

A term that may as well refer to this - as the casual use of this accusation has now made its use practically worthless.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,GS
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 03:40 AM

Jeremy Clarkson does have a bit of a problem when someone comes near to upstaging him though...he is a 'put down' artist...He reckons he is better than all the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:43 PM

Again, i find myself in complete agreement with you Captain...& as I type this, I'm watching him present 'Have I Got Old News for You'.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 04:48 PM

Clarkson is an odd fish. Ostensibly, I should hate him. He stands for everything that makes me cross, and his political views are positively Neanderthal, and yet I think he is consistently one of the most watchable people on British television. The bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 06:10 PM

Jeremy makes Jade look talented.

If theres anything I hate more than his ignorant anti John Prescott jibes, its his facetious drivelling journalism.

He should advertise himself as an eco-friendly laxative. I'm sure he could bore the shit out of anybody with an IQ in double figures.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: HuwG
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 03:33 PM

I make a point never to watch these crapulent "reality" TV shows. However, one of my favourite TV presenters, Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear, has also been indulging in apparently Jade-like behaviour, by referring to her as a "racist, pig-faced waste of skin and organs".

It got a laugh, as did his comment a few seconds later when regretting that bad weather had spoiled their filming schedule, that "We'll do what everyone else does - blame global warming".

Perhaps Jeremy is also going a bit OTT, even for someone with my crude sense of humour.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Partridge
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 01:43 PM

or 101

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From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 12:49 PM

100 !!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 12:49 PM

There is only one reason to post to this thread - To Go -

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 09:03 AM

Anyone stupid enough to take part in one of those so-called 'reality' TV shows deserves all they get. I have never felt any sympathy for any of them, the publicity-seeking narcissists. Jade is no different in that respect.

If she really has £8M, why on earth did she do it? She could retire on that (I wish she would!)

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:24 AM

As for finding her attractive, Shambles, words fail me.

Not sure that I said that I found Jade (or her mother) to be physically attractive. She is not my type and Shipa's looks are far more to my taste - but it is said that beauty is only skin deep.

It is what lies underneath the made-up image that is important. What I detect underneath Shilpa's manicured apprearance is not very attractive at all.   

Jade is far more sinned against than sinner - and apart from her general knowledge - is usually more often right than wrong.

She is certainly outspoken and has a tendancy to fire other people's bullets for them, while they sit back and allow her to take to resulting flak. A point perfectly demonstated in the first spat with Ken Russell - who was clearly in the wrong for selfishly, if not perhaps intentionally threatening other peoples food budget by his actions but didn't much like this being pointed out to him (by Jade).

For it was in fact Shilpa who first pointed out what he was doing wrong. And who then watched as Jade was made out to be in the wrong and accused - by the far better educated Mr Russell - of having a screw loose for taking issue with his anti-social act.

This was probably not wise of Jade and it was not wise when it was her who actually challenged Dirk over not sharing his whisky - when it was others who were doing the grumbling and making these bullets, behind his back.   

But as I have said - the person who has never been guilty of unwise actions can cast the first stone.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 04:31 AM

I agree Big Phil - she can't be as daft as she seems. You've got to admire her business acumen, if nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Phil
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 11:45 PM

Scrump
She is supposed to be worth £8,000,000 do not ask me how, but if it is the case, who is thick her or us...........

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:22 AM

"They were trying to use me as an escape goat"

She is not always wrong - is she?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:14 AM

Just received this and thought I'd pass it on, so people who haven't seen her know we're not exaggerating. (I've added a couple of annotations in brackets for some that may not be obvious to everyone outside the UK).

Famous Jade Goody quotes:
* "Where is East Angular, is it abroad?" (East Anglia is part of England)
* "Rio de Janeiro - that's a person"
* "The Daily Mail is the post" (Daily Mail is a newspaper)
* "Saddam Hussein - that's a boxer"
* "A ferret is a bird"
* "I had my first birthday when I was one"
* "Who is heinzstein?"
* "Mother Theresa is from Germany"
* "Sherlock Holmes invented toilets"
* "The Union Jack is for all of us, but the St. George is just for London, isn't it?"
* "I knew Lynne was from Aberdeen, but I didn't realise Aberdeen was in Scotland"
* "What's a sparagus? Do you grow it?"
* "I am intelligent, but I let myself down because I can't speak properly or spell"
* To PJ after he revealed he knew someone who kept pet peacocks: "You see those things... don't think I'm being daft... but them things that look like eyes, are they their real eyes?"
* "Jonny, I'm not being tictactical in here"
* "They were trying to use me as an escape goat"
* "Do they speak Portuganese in Portugal? I thought Portugal was in Spain"
* "That's asexual harassment"

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 10:08 AM

Hello jOhn. Lovely to hear from you!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:12 AM

Yes, I agree - she's too thick for the idea of being racist to even occur to her.

As for finding her attractive, Shambles, words fail me. The only woman I can think of that is less attractive is her mother.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 08:04 AM

I agree with shambles, i don;t think Jade is a racialist, she's just a bit thick.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 08:05 PM

The Shambles, its hard to defend the undefendable........

So it would now seem to be somehow honourable to gang up and attack the so-called undefendable?

Or is that the reason for them placing this label?

As all the other causes seem to be covered - the only ones remaining that of any interest to me - are the so-called lost ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 07:33 PM

She has come a long way in the last few years, lets hope she will learn a valuable lesson from this and move on and get herself an education that she so obviously needs

If she does - let us hope see puts this to better use than many of those who would judge her seem to.

The best educated of us are still able to do unwise things.

having done so - they may be better able to explain and excuse it away than Jade - who has now done all that could possibly be expected of her - but still the far better educated media continue to judge her as if she were worse than an accused, tried and convicted child murderer.

If only equally unwise politicians and those who fail in responsible positions were to be subject to this kind of feeding frenzy by our educated media.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 03:15 PM

Hi ib48
Sorry, been away for a while, i have no real opinion of her at all, i have never met her, and would save such strong opinions until i had. My quip about a chip on both shoulders was a satirical line about your previous post, as no one has posted such strong views and so intensely direct as yours.
She is obviously not the most intelligent person in the world, but that is not a crime. I dont think she should be persecuted for her ignorance, rather encouraged to get an education,,, but as someone has already said, channel 4 knew this and have taken advantage of her.
She has come a long way in the last few years, lets hope she will learn a valuable lesson from this and move on and get herself an education that she so obviously needs.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Phil
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 02:40 PM

The Shambles, its hard to defend the undefendable........

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 12:33 PM

Personally I would like a woman with whom I could have a decent conversation rather than an earthy clod; someone with whom I had something in common.
Or are you trying to tell us something, Shambles?!?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 06:00 AM

know what what you mean.... i like mucky women also

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 04:38 AM

I like Jade.

Just give me a real rough diamond, earthy and fresh from the ground - rather than a shiny but useless piece of manifactured glass.

And I am probably a bit old fashioned too.

When sitting on the toilet - I would prefer it not to be blocked up with chicken bones and would probably expect whoever it was who was stupid enough to block it up with chicken bones in the first pace - to then unblock it.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Nickhere
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 02:14 PM

I don't really bother watching BB (any of them - does anyone make TV fiction anymore?) but the odd time it's on in the background in friends' houses etc., It's mind-numbingly awfully boring - you'd get more stimulation pulling back your curtains to watch the world passing by on the street outside. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that Jade had been encouraged to be as obnoxious as possible by TV chiefs in order to push up ratings (maybe, maybe not). It seems each new edition of BB must go to further extremes in order to catch audience's jaded (no pun intended) attention....it's only a matter of time before someone is murdered on reality TV, perhaps we can call it Big Cluedo (BC).

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 12:21 PM

I'm sure we're all relieved to hear about your toilet moments Captain. I'm glad theres still someone out there who doesn't let it all hang out, so to speak.

Of course I agree, whilst we all enjoy a good shit and its fun to sit around the campfire telling tales of the great shits we've had, singing songs and celebrating that moment of parturition. Breathes there a soul so dull, I ask myself, whose heart does not leap in enchantment in that magic of the plop.

A degree of restraint is called for, otherwise its just an orgy. An essentially private time, and you are right not to share it with anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM

Personally I'd rather not.
Just as, when I'm having a shit, I shut the door. Call me a bluff old traditionalist if you will, but...

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:55 AM

And I'm sure they'd also flock to see public executions, whippings and brandings. it doesn't make them right!

And your judgement of them as being wrong (or of passing a law based on that judgement) - will not change the appeal of such things to certain people.

Shows like BB (perhaps not the celeb version) are simply holding up a mirror. If you don't like what is reflected there - blaming or breaking the mirror will not change the refelcted image.

Given that we rather have to accept all aspects of human nature as the reality it is - I would rather have BB on TV (as I have said - the perfect TV show for all) than public executions, whippings and brandings or return to the Roman Games.

How about you?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:45 AM

Possibly many avid soap watchers would turn off Corrie and Eastenders - if instead of peeking on their neighbours through the curtains, they could watch live action on their TV from cameras installed in every room next door (and then be able vote who to evict from it).
And I'm sure they'd also flock to see public executions, whippings and brandings. it doesn't make them right!
I'm intrigued to know what newspaper you read, by the way. My Guardian had nothing like that in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:40 AM

Those of you who clearly enjoy the programme; don't you feel just the tiniest bit ashamed at your prurience?

No.

For the appeal is the same for TV soaps with scripts and actors - except that any drama in BB is real - rather than pretend emotion. Possibly many avid soap watchers would turn off Corrie and Eastenders - if instead of peeking on their neighbours through the curtains, they could watch live action on their TV from cameras installed in every room next door (and then be able vote who to evict from it).

And why this whipping of the media for commenting on the issues raised? Do I take this to mean that the actions which attracted so much comment are actually acceptable? That boorishness and ill manners are somehow excusable?

No - it means that those who enjoy judging what others choose to do should probbaly watch the show - before passing judgement.

And that responding to what is judged to be displays of boorishness, ill manners and bullying with even worse displays of boorishness, bullying and ill manners being justified and splashed all over the front pages of newspapers and commented on by every radio DJ and TV presenter as if these spats were a major world issue and the victims had no feelings - is even worse.

Because then - as the perpetrators are not subject to 24 hour TV coverage, not able to escape from each other and intentionally wound-up - there is absolutly no excuse for subjecting certain contestants to it whilst at the same time almost worshiping others.

And of course this current fawning and worshiping of Shilpa has nothing to do with the fact that anyone who publicly dares to even try and bring a little reality and fairness back to our traditionally fair-minded country - is terrified of also being called a racist.

A charge that does not need ay evidence, trial or conviction and even when retracted, the word itself (even when it is so ill-defined) is enough to effectivly end any career.

A factor that any future employers of Shilpa and Jermaine Jackson who were both seen to play this card - will now be very aware of.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: redsnapper
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:42 AM

This all appears to have passed me by.

Have I missed something important?

RS

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:36 AM

I suppose the the thing is that most people on meeting someone they don't like the look or sound of, avoid them.

Well these people can't - not if they want to be on telly. So they devise strategies. Sometimes of quite mind blowing evil, sometimes betrayed by remarks of casual nastiness. And thus they deal with the situation. Or so they think, but the camera captures everything.

There are levels to this game. Its a cross between the bearpit and the chess game. The cruel and and mocking tones of the presenters is an inherent part.

It wouldn't be my choice of TV, but my wife loves it so I get sucked in every year, and before long I know all the people - whether I want to, or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 07:37 AM

But what exactly is the appeal? To me, watching the ignorant make fools of themselves shows how woefully little we have progressed from the days when people would go and watch the lunatics in Bedlam or pay sixpence to see the fairground freak show.
Those of you who clearly enjoy the programme; don't you feel just the tiniest bit ashamed at your prurience?
And why this whipping of the media for commenting on the issues raised? Do I take this to mean that the actions which attracted so much comment are actually acceptable? That boorishness and ill manners are somehow excusable? Jade Goodey's family may well be somewhere way to the left of the bell curve, but that doesn't make their behaviour OK. Even a dog can learn to behave.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 05:25 AM

A lot of the external fuss about possible racism was about Jackiey referring - on her exit - to Shilpa as 'the Indian'. She made no pretence of liking Shilpa on a personal level - but for the following reasons, she was at that point really confused as to how to refer to Shilpa.

To anyone watching - it was obvious from early on that Jade's mother and the a certain extent Jade herself had a problem hearing or grasping the meaning and with pronouncing certain words. A point that the housemates were just starting to understand how to deal with - when Jade's mum was evicted.

Hence Jackiey's question about what a 'dimella' was.

It was obvious that she also had difficulty in hearing and pronouncing Shilpa's name. Choosing instead to call her 'princess'. A term - that when used as it was by Jackiey, without any intentional irony - few would object to.

For it is now overlooked that Shilpa did get very angry with this (if not in isolation). And despite being aware by this time that Jackiey had a genuine problem with hearing and pronouncing this name - insisted that Jackiey used her name and stopped adressing her as princess (but did not object in the same way when others address or referred to her as this).

The makers cannot just see prejudice and bullying only on grounds of race in one direction only) as unaccepatable. Are not other grounds, such as class, sex and mental ability etc equally unacceptable?

The subsequent spats were not racist or any other kind of bullying.

What we saw was simply the usual 'bitching'. Which when left alone from outside pressure and judgement - the participants will sort out for themselves. As they usually do - and as they largely did in this instance also.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 04:04 AM

quote

"As for the 'racist' issue, no, I didn't see it, but I expect as usual the media have exaggerated the seriousness of it. However, almost anyone except her would probably have known better than to say anything like that, knowing they were being broadcast to the nation.

I say 'almost', because I gather that the Scouse girl (some footballer's girlfriend or something equally worthy of fame) said worse things than Jade (but as I say, I didn't see it myself)".

unquote

in a discussion as to whether referring to someone in terms of their typical foodstuff is racist!! Geddit? - the Scouse girl!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The PA
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 03:28 AM

Of course we're assuming that Jade knows what a racist is. She probably thinks its something to do with 'affletics'. I hear this morning she's gone into rehab. It will take more than a couple of weeks in an expensive hotel to sort out her vicious mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:13 PM

BB is the perfect TV show.

Those who make it, enjoy making money

Those who appear on it seem to enjoy their moment of fame and make money.

Those who watch it enjoy it.

And those who do not watch it (especially the media) can enjoy judging those who make it - those who appear on it and those who do watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:01 PM

all of this isn't important - it's a tv-related deal to get more viewers. If you fall for it, you are the losers. IT ISN'T A SOCIAL ISSUE-IT'S A FIX!!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:15 PM

yeh I bet.....texting his copy into the fleet street with one hand and the other stroking his ego.......as he swerves across three lanes to pass you.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alan Day
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:39 PM

Do you think he is the one flashing his lights when I am in the outside lane in my Renault Clio Van?
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 04:48 PM

Fair point!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 04:05 PM

No its because they have a talent for abuse, which is aimed invariably at the weak, defenceless and inarticulate. In short they are bullies on a much grander scale than anything Jade could or would aspire to.

When Clarkson takes on someone with any gumption at all, for example the interview iwth Jonathan Porrit - he has to draw his fangs in pretty damn sharpish. The man's a wanker. A nasty one and incompetent one as well. He never seems able to get down to the level of a normal car buyer. Spends his time waxing frustrated because a Skoda isn't a Lambourghini. Whats the point of that - it would be nice to know what the salient points of difference between that and a Berlingo are.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 01:27 PM

I'm puzzled as to why Clarkson and other media rent-a-quote 'arseholes' were 'middle class bigots' standing naked and drivelling (a most attractive image!). Is this because they didn't see the class basis of the slatterns' behaviour and their celebration of wilful ignorance and prejudice in a wider sense and instead saw it as a narrower prejudice on racial grounds?
If they are 'bigots' because they found the behaviour of the three white women unacceptable, then I'm proud to count myself as a bigot too!
I'm inclined to agree about the off-camera 'coaching' however - the sudden changes of demeanour after the row came to a head in the media seemed too contrived to be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 12:22 PM

I agree with most of your last post Shambles.

Though I would have to say that I think Shilpa Shetty was being true to her own lights....she behaved in a way in which she needed to behave to fulfil the expectations of those whe see her Bollywood films, I imagine. (Not that I have seen a single one).

The whole thing was contrived, nobody can dispute, & I have a firm suspicion that there were unrecorded or at least unbroadcast discussions between BB & some of the 'inmates' pointing out to them in no uncertain terms that their behaviour was unacceptable (despite BB engineering such, or considering it likely...in fact COUNTING on it occurring).

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 12:07 PM

Spot on Shambles.

as for the 'get a life' brigade. this was brilliant television - a programme that cut through the bullshit of 'oh we live in a classless society' better than anything since Dennis Potters early plays like Vote for Nigel Barton.

Complete media arseholes like the talentless Clarkson and the Fleet Street journalist fraternity stand naked and exposed as the drivelling middle class bigots they are - with the powers of cerebration of a bloody earwig.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM

I watched about 20 mins worth of assorted clips and the Saturday morning "catchup" two weeks ago. I understand even the "live" show was edited anyway - switching to different cameras appropriately - which raised suspicions in the press as to whether the editing could have skewed the impression given ; no view on that. I do feel that she was set up by the media though. In particular, I found ogffensive the way they attacked her so readily, after they had built her up into a Z-list celebrity in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM

The saddest thing about Big Brother is that it is successful, and people watch it.
Don't they have any life of their own?

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