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Whitby tap and spile

GUEST,Mitch 27 Jan 07 - 05:28 AM
gnomad 27 Jan 07 - 06:14 AM
GUEST,Mitch 27 Jan 07 - 06:26 AM
Mrs.Duck 27 Jan 07 - 07:12 AM
GUEST 27 Jan 07 - 07:28 AM
GUEST,yellerbelly 27 Jan 07 - 08:21 AM
r.padgett 27 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM
The Villan 27 Jan 07 - 12:40 PM
GUEST,yellerbelly 27 Jan 07 - 02:39 PM
GUEST,mississippi man 27 Jan 07 - 05:11 PM
GUEST,JJ 27 Jan 07 - 05:18 PM
GUEST,yellerbelly 28 Jan 07 - 09:26 AM
Jean(eanjay) 28 Jan 07 - 09:38 AM
GUEST,yellerbelly 28 Jan 07 - 09:53 AM
selby 28 Jan 07 - 02:56 PM
GUEST,yellerbelly 28 Jan 07 - 03:51 PM
GUEST,yellerbelly 28 Jan 07 - 03:59 PM
GUEST 28 Jan 07 - 04:13 PM
Jean(eanjay) 28 Jan 07 - 04:21 PM
GUEST 28 Jan 07 - 05:02 PM
Jean(eanjay) 28 Jan 07 - 05:06 PM
GUEST,padgett 29 Jan 07 - 05:51 AM
GUEST,the one 29 Jan 07 - 06:10 AM
Scrump 29 Jan 07 - 06:39 AM
GUEST,JJ 29 Jan 07 - 08:43 AM
Jean(eanjay) 29 Jan 07 - 09:01 AM
Les from Hull 29 Jan 07 - 10:05 AM
GUEST 29 Jan 07 - 07:22 PM
Les from Hull 30 Jan 07 - 08:02 AM
nutty 30 Jan 07 - 08:17 AM
Jean(eanjay) 30 Jan 07 - 08:21 AM
Raggytash 30 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM
GUEST 31 Jan 07 - 04:32 AM
GUEST,collierlad 02 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM
GUEST 02 Feb 07 - 01:12 PM
r.padgett 03 Feb 07 - 01:15 PM
stallion 04 Feb 07 - 07:28 AM
Les from Hull 04 Feb 07 - 07:40 AM
GUEST 04 Feb 07 - 08:52 AM
GUEST 04 Feb 07 - 09:36 AM
Mississippi Saxaphone 04 Feb 07 - 09:43 AM
GUEST,Dave 04 Feb 07 - 09:56 AM
Jean(eanjay) 04 Feb 07 - 10:03 AM
GUEST,Dave 04 Feb 07 - 10:18 AM
GUEST,Tap and spile whitby 04 Feb 07 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,MikeOfNorthumbria(Off base) 05 Feb 07 - 11:43 AM
Mrs.Duck 05 Feb 07 - 12:33 PM
Jean(eanjay) 05 Feb 07 - 02:10 PM
r.padgett 05 Feb 07 - 02:50 PM
Jean(eanjay) 05 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM
GUEST,john platt 06 Feb 07 - 04:31 AM
GUEST 06 Feb 07 - 10:04 AM
Dave the Gnome 06 Feb 07 - 11:12 AM
GUEST,MikeofNorthumbria(OffBase) 06 Feb 07 - 04:02 PM
Herga Kitty 06 Feb 07 - 04:49 PM
Dave the Gnome 06 Feb 07 - 05:08 PM
GUEST,Jon 17 Feb 07 - 02:29 PM
GUEST,Tap and spile 18 Feb 07 - 01:25 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Feb 07 - 02:23 PM
GUEST 24 Feb 07 - 07:35 AM
Mrs.Duck 24 Feb 07 - 10:51 AM
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r.padgett 25 Feb 07 - 04:49 AM
GUEST 25 Feb 07 - 11:08 AM
old salty 27 Feb 07 - 06:54 AM
Carol 27 Feb 07 - 08:16 AM
GUEST 01 Mar 07 - 10:44 AM
collierlad 01 Mar 07 - 05:28 PM
Sttaw Legend 01 Mar 07 - 07:13 PM
Tyke 02 Mar 07 - 01:45 PM
collierlad 04 Mar 07 - 11:01 AM
Mrs.Duck 05 Mar 07 - 05:51 AM
GUEST,padgett 05 Mar 07 - 06:51 AM
Mrs.Duck 05 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM
old salty 07 Mar 07 - 05:17 AM
GUEST,padgett 07 Mar 07 - 07:43 AM
Raggytash 07 Mar 07 - 01:38 PM
Mrs.Duck 07 Mar 07 - 03:22 PM
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Herga Kitty 07 Mar 07 - 04:27 PM
collierlad 08 Mar 07 - 12:29 PM
GUEST,guest 10 Mar 07 - 11:07 PM
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GUEST,guest 01 Apr 07 - 06:59 AM
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The Villan 13 Apr 07 - 09:09 AM
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the one 13 Apr 07 - 06:49 PM
The Villan 14 Apr 07 - 02:18 AM
gnomad 14 Apr 07 - 03:19 AM
Mrs.Duck 14 Apr 07 - 07:40 AM
GUEST 15 Apr 07 - 09:54 AM
Geoff the Duck 15 Apr 07 - 04:34 PM
Jean(eanjay) 15 Apr 07 - 04:49 PM
gnomad 15 Apr 07 - 07:20 PM
GUEST 16 Apr 07 - 07:18 AM
English Jon 16 Apr 07 - 08:23 AM
Raggytash 16 Apr 07 - 10:31 AM
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The Villan 17 Apr 07 - 05:05 AM
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Subject: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Mitch
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:28 AM

Are sunday sessions still going ahead and what is happening folk week? We visiting as usual but were going to try and get up for a weekend!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: gnomad
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:14 AM

New L/lord has not yet taken over. He has worked in the town for some years, including several months in the T&S, so is well aware of the historic position.

He has said he wants the folkie connection to continue, and that is what we intend also. Of course changes & developments may occur, but right now I know of none planned.

Are you the Mitch of the Flat-pack Blues? If so I remember at least one previous visit, and look forward to future ones.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Mitch
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:26 AM

Cheers sounds good, hope to be there soon and ring the changes! Give my regards to pete and Sheree will not be the same without a couple at the helm


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 07:12 AM

He certainly said at new year that the front room would still be available for the singarounds even though they are planning to extend food.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 07:28 AM

That the genral public kept out for the select few a*****s then


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,yellerbelly
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:21 AM

What a sad life you lead Guest


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: r.padgett
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM

Yes all the best to Peter and Sheree

keep up the real ales and the live music and hope Derek, Tony, Ange, gnomad, Jude and company continue the tradition

regards also to Mick Haywood and Coblers Monday

All the best from Booker Padgett and the rest of the Barnsley Lads

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:40 PM

There are currently two threads running on the same subject. The other is in the section below this one. Wouldn't it be a good idea if the moderators merged the two?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,yellerbelly
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 02:39 PM

There you are then guest with a lot of effort you've managed a dignified silence instead of that ineffectual slagging off,keep taking the medication you'll get there in the end


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,mississippi man
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:11 PM

I have been reading the exchange between Guest and Guest yellerbelly and as there are always 2 sides to such a discussion I decided to make a comment based on my own experience having been to the Tap and Spile on more than one occasion. In past years having run a major folk club in a major city this I feel gives me the experience to comment. I have no hesitation in completely agreeing with Guest. The lesson is to try to welcome newcomers and not be such a clique.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,JJ
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:18 PM

Guest and Mississippi Man have a point.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,yellerbelly
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:26 AM

Enough pubs in Whitby to allow one cliquey(?spelling)one
if you do n't like it as I do n't, get on with life and go to another pub


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:38 AM

A shame to do that if somebody has something to contribute - isn't that what singalong sessions are all about?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,yellerbelly
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:53 AM

Tap&Spile's loss could be another pubs gain


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: selby
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 02:56 PM

Yellerbelly your response is what people feel is happening and people have contributions to make. I find it facinating that the Tap & Spile comes up with such regularity and with such venom against what people percieve goes on in there. I have to say that somebody has upset someone and if I was in the Clique and there is one I would feel my press was a bit bad to say the least. Dont forget the T&S has nothing to do with Folk week and is just another Pub


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,yellerbelly
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 03:51 PM

Selby I am neither attacking or defending The Tap&Spile just trying to tell Guest that his/her bitterness at being turned away is pointless & its time to move on


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,yellerbelly
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 03:59 PM

BTW we could n't get into the T&S on New Years Eve,we did n't make a song & dance about just went & found another pub & had a great night
& since anonymous Guest has left the thread to others to defend him/her I will now do the same


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 04:13 PM

Im with yellerbelly on this one....let them get on with it , there are many folk accommodating pubs in whitby. Enjoy whatever takes ya fancy....


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 04:21 PM

I'm with you both now. However, the bottom line is that it is a shame when folk music is given a bad name!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:02 PM

Went to the T&S last June. Tried my best to get into the singaround for three hours and didn't manage to sing at all. I am no wallflower but when all the table have 'reserved for musicians' signs on them, even though they are obviously not, it does put even the most brassed necked of us off. As far as I am concerned if the new management manage to include more people it can only be for the better.

Ex Mudcat member and Whitby (both folk and goth festival) regular.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:06 PM

Absolutely.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:51 AM

I am sorry if ppl couldnt get in on New Years Eve, however that event was down as a private party and the pub was officially down as not open to the public if you had been in during the afternoon and made yourself know I am sure you would have been welcome

In my opinion there is no clique as such and I personnaly go out of my way to see fair play

I regularly ask is if anyone has been missed as I and other mcs cannot know everyone that sings and going round the room is a good idea but too many nip out for a smoke/drinks/toilet and get side tracked!!

I do take great issue with queue jumpers and ppl have to respect the fact that you can wait over 2 hrs for your turn everyone is equal in singaround guests alike in this venue

I ahve been there and have suffered myself at singarounds at festivals that I am not knmown at

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,the one
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:10 AM

IHAVE SEEN DISABLED PEOPLE TOLD TO GET UP OF THEIR SEATS TO MAKE ROOM FOR NOBODY, AND AS FOR THAT FRONT ROOM,THEY ACT LIKE A BUNCH OF VICTORIA BECKHAMS I HAVE SEEN MORE LAUGHTER AT A BURIAL IT IS NOT A MEMBERS ONLY PUB OR IS, IT BRING ON THE CHANGE, AND MAY BE I WILL PUT NEW STRINGS ON THAT EKO GUITAR ABOVE THE BAR FOR WHO KNOWS SOMBODY JUST MIGHT PLAY IT (I DID) LETS HOPE OUR GOOD LUCK WILL NOT MEAN OTHERS SUFFER.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Scrump
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:39 AM

What ale do they have there? Just interested to know.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,JJ
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:43 AM

I can't remember, I was put off going - but now that Ray has reassured us all I'll let you know!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:01 AM

Snap.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Les from Hull
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:05 AM

I'm confused. There have never been 'reserved for musicians' signs on the tables in the front room (the one on the right as you go in), although there's sometimes a sign on the door identifying that romm as the 'singaround room'. Space is limited in this room, but whoever is running the session has always accomodated singers, and everyone gets their chance when it is their turn. But it may not be their turn for about an hour or two as it does take time to get round everyone.

The place where there are 'reserved for musicians' signs is the main room, which accommodates a free-for-all dive-in session during festival times. So it may be a tune session, or a tune session with occassional songs, but with no identified leader. So if you sat in there and waited to be asked to sing you would have a very long wait! Except when this room is hosted by Derek Elliot as it is once a week throughout the year, and then you would be asked to sing.

The other room (the front non-smoking room with the bar in it) hosts informal dive-in sessions during festival times.

I say festival times because similar things happen during the Moor and Coast Festival and Whitby Folk Week. The singaround room is an official venue for the Moor and Coast Festival, and a purely unofficial one during Folk Week.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:22 PM

There have never been 'reserved for musicians' signs on the tables

In June the tables to the left hand side in the back room had signs on saying reserved for musicians. I stood leaning on a pillar, with my back to the bar, for 3 hours trying to attract the organisers attention. When I eventualy did, after the night had finished, he was ever so apologetic but too late. I walked in from the front - ie the river or quay end. Around the bar and into what I believe to be the 'back room'.

Incidentaly wasn't the Tap and Spile the Cutty Sark when I first went to Whitby in 1980? Anyhow. Later in the week I went to the Rowing Club where I only got to sing because Nick (Raggytash) happened to know me. The organiser informed me that he had not asked because 'I didn't look like a singer'.

Go figure as our US collegues say...


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Les from Hull
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:02 AM

Yes correct, ex-Cutty Sark. I don't know who 'the organiser' would be in the back room. If it was a Sunday night it could have been Derek Elliot, but I doubt that he would have missed you out.

And if you are going to quote me, please don't quote me out of context.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: nutty
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:17 AM

I wasn't going to get involved in this thread but felt I must make a point. This year (2006) with the loss of The Plough as a venue for singers and players, all other venues were overloaded and tghis was particularly true of the Tap and Spile.

At times squeezing any more people into the small left-hand room would have contravened fire regs to such an extent that the pub could have been closed down. That was why, at times, the landlord arranged for a doorman.

Also a number of people in that room were Whitby residents who support the pub and its activities all the year round. Its not being unfair to ensure that their needs are looked after during folk week as well.

We have all had to serve an apprenticeship (so to speak) and wait on the sideline until our talents are recognised. It's regrettable that some people are upset by being missed out but then nothing in this world is perfect.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:21 AM

Losing The Plough was a shame but I also noticed that in the final parade there seemed to be very few dance teams left.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM

Hi Guest, In the back room at the Tap on a Sunday night we have a "folk session" I wouldn't call it a club as such because it's held in a main room of a pub. Derek bless his little cotton socks has been known to omit people, even my wife who was sitting next to me at the time, I put it down to his age, others put it down to the beer! but please be assured it wasn't deliberate.
I don't recall being in the Rowing club, having said that I have been known to imbibe between then and now, and I cannot understand why people can't/won't put their names to threads so go on reveal yourself (if you'll pardon the expression)


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 04:32 AM

I will eventualy, Nick - Just testing the water again after a bit of a lay off from the 'cat. Seeing if has got any calmer after after a rough patch and it does seem to have lost some of the nastiness that was permeating recently. Just to remind you - You know me from Eccles and you invited me to go fishing next day at some ridiculous hour. I didn't make it;-)
- Dave-


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,collierlad
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM

New photos of New Years Eve have now been added to the WEB site.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 01:12 PM

Whitby Folk Photo Centre


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: r.padgett
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 01:15 PM

New Year !! thanks Brian for Photos

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: stallion
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:28 AM

This is not about the T & S whitby, singarounds, singarounds are difficult to manage, I've done it, and sometimes I have sounded like Mrs Doyle, "Go on, go on, go on" when asking for a known performer to join in, now , if the don't ask they don't get asked, it doesn't have to be formal it can be as discreet as a sheep auction, look into Graham Metcalf's eyes and if you get a response of a slight turn of the head to the right accompanied by a lowering of the jaw then you get a song, if he stares straight back you won't.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Les from Hull
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:40 AM

Dead right, old horse. Sometimes people don't appreciate how subtle and unobstrusive you're trying to be in trying to keep the thing going. And if anybody thinks they are being ignored, then why don't they have a quiet word with the organiser? We don't always get it right but it's unfair to nurse a grudge and then release it to the public on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 08:52 AM

why don't they have a quiet word with the organiser?

Because people are people and have their own personal doubts and insecurities about their ability. Even now, after 20-odd years of singing in public, I wouldn't dream of foisting myself on a singaround without being asked. I am also an organiser and can honestly say that I personaly ask everyone in the room if they would like to sing. Never force people to perform, never miss anyone out. It isn't that difficult. It takes somewhere in the region of 10 seconds to find out if someone wants to perform. Even if there are 100 people in the room (a miracle in our case!) it would take less that 10 minutes to ask everyone.

I don't always get everything right either, but to accuse someone who is too polite or too insecure to ask for a spot of being unfair is not a very helpful way of resolving the issue is it?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 09:36 AM

This does not deter from the fact that the T&S in Whitby is a clique the people involved will not let people they do not know join in.
The proof of the pudding is try for your self at one of the festivals. It sems strange that another guy in another Pub in Whitby does things and advertises on mudcat he does not get attacked.
MMMMM Strange


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mississippi Saxaphone
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 09:43 AM

Guest 4 Feb 07 @ 8.52pm

He has hit the nail on the head. A well run sing around is conducted by the organisers by welcoming everyone and enquiring if they wish to sing. After all if someone new enters the sing around how could the organiser know if they were a singer or musician as the point has been made that even experienced singers wait to be asked rather than assume that they have a right to sing.

Having been to the Sunday Night session many times I can confirm that this is run for the Whitby clique and they do not want outsiders.

Maybe they should organise themselves a private room somewhere else,


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 09:56 AM

I, personnally do not like or run singarounds. I prefer to run singabouts with no particular order. This way you do not get people coming in and sussing out which way the wind is blowing, getting a song quickly and then going just to return later and do the same thing. This often means that people who have been there since the start get missed out as there is not enough time.
I have always enjoyed the singarounds in the Tap, run by Jude and co., but there you go.
By the way, where are the previous encumbents going?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 10:03 AM

"This way you do not get people coming in and sussing out which way the wind is blowing, getting a song quickly and then going just to return later and do the same thing." Guest, Dave

I'm sure an organiser would notice if this was happening.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 10:18 AM

A good one would. But often festivals use guests as session organisers and not session organisers.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Tap and spile whitby
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 01:34 PM

We would like to introduce ourselves as colin and andrew, we have just moved into the tap and spile at whitby. We would like to take this opportunity to welcome everyone old and new to the tap, where all are welcome, and we hope everyone am enjoy themselves and have a good fun time! We hope to see you all soon. Colin and andrew.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,MikeOfNorthumbria(Off base)
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 11:43 AM

Hi Colin and Andrew,

Welcome to the party! I hope that you'll maintain the Tap& Spile's cheerful ambience, musical diversity, and excellent array of ales in the years ahead, and I look forward to calling in during Folk Week this coming August.

Meanwhile, would the gripers and whingers who go on (and on and on) about the alleged "elitism" and "cronyism" of the T&S's front bar singaround please take a few moments to consider the following observations.

Firstly: the front bar at the T&S is small. Common sense, and safety regulations, dictate that numbers inside must be limited. If there were a fire, or a bomb scare, and people got injured in the crush because the limit had been exceeded, the management could be sued for massive amounts – they might even go to jail. Only the most bone-headed could interpret their concern to keep the numbers inside at a safe level as some kind of Fascism.

Secondly: whenever I've been there, the method used to limit numbers has been simple and transparent. While the room is filling up, it's "come one, come all". When the room's full, it's "one out, one in". Can the critics explain what is undemocratic about that? Or is it just that they expect the safety rules to be waived for them, because of their celebrity status?

Thirdly: what about this alleged clique? Well, there are quite a few people who visit that room regularly, and some of them come back year after year. Naturally, like old friends who meet anywhere else, they tend to greet each other and exchange scraps of news. Nervous, suspicious or insecure people might conceivably feel threatened by this. But in my experience, the old-timers have always made a positive effort to welcome newcomers. They certainly welcomed me when I first arrived, knowing absolutely nobody there. At the start of the session, it's normally one of them who kicks off, before inviting others to contribute, but that's pretty standard in most clubs or sessions. And I've never noticed them doing more than their share of songs. Indeed, I've often seen one of them pass up his/her regular turn to make time for a latecomer to get one song in before closing time.

In fact, I've never seen anyone hogging the limelight in this session, it's always been "one singer, one song – then wait till your turn comes round again"   Everyone's eligible - indeed, even the people who've come along just to listen are encouraged to "have a go". But suppose there are thirty singers in the room, and the average song takes three minutes. Simple arithmetic ensures that you'll be asked for a song every hour and a half or so.

If this isn't enough for you, there are alternative venues in Whitby. Anarchic singing sessions, where wannabe folk superstars can try to dominate the room by shouting down the opposition, are easy enough to find. But a lot of people go to the T&S front bar precisely because it's not like that. And what's wrong with a bit of diversity?

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 12:33 PM

Well said, Mike. I have been going to the Tap and Spile for over ten years now so would consider myself a regular but still remember my first tentative steps into the room where I was encouraged to have a go and sing and have never looked back. Good to hear from you Andy and Colin. We wish you every success with the new venture and look forward to continuing the fun and good singing at folk week and New Year.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:10 PM

Wouldn't it have been nice for Colin and Andrew to have introduced themselves and welcomed people as they did and that then been an end of the matter. I find it disappointing that it is still continuing.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:50 PM

Welcome Colin and Andrew

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM

Snap. I'm looking forward to having a drink in there.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,john platt
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:31 AM

I spent most of the week in the other little room. we played music and everyone who came in joined in. no one ran it it just happened and was all the more enjoyable for that.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 10:04 AM

I dunno what people mean by the front bar. I am not a regular attendee at the T&S. The times when I have attended at festival times I quite agree that it is very full and not everyone can get on. No gripe there at all.

In June however, on a Sunday night, when there were no more than 10 singers sat around tables with 'Musicians only' labels on I waited all night to be asked and was not. I don't think it was 'cliquey' or elitist. Just damn poor organisation. When, eventualy, the organiser came from behind the 'reserved' tables, which I percieved as a barrier whether they were or not, I managed to collar him and he was very apologetic.

I am more than happy to give them the benefit of the doubt and will try again when I am next in Whitby on a Sunday night. Hopefuly they will have learned that not everyone will jump up and down demanding attention and the quite ones stood in a corner may just need asking.

If that is whinging, griping or going on and on, Mike of Northumbria and Mrs Duck, then I think I will apologise and instantly book on an English language course...
- Dave-


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 11:12 AM

Previous 'Guest' appearances about being passed by last June were by me. I had, as I said, given up my Mudcat membership but the old place seems to be much happier now so I have decided to rejoin:-)

Cheers

Dave Polshaw
Swinton Folk Club and Festival


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,MikeofNorthumbria(OffBase)
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:02 PM

Hi Dave,

It seems that an apology from me is in order. Just for the record, my previous posting was concerned specifically with the singing which goes on in the T&S front bar every year during Folk Week at the end of August. It was aimed at several people who have been bad-mouthing this particular gathering for some time on Mudcat, on grounds that they believe are legitimate, but which I don't. Unfortunately, I mistook you for one of them

Clearly what you experienced on that Sunday night in June (and in a different part of the pub, too) has no direct relevance to this debate. The person in charge on the night you were there was obviously not doing his job properly. But then, we're all fallible, and he did apologise afterwards. So do I.

Wassail!

Mike Sutton
Hexham Morrismen


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:49 PM

I was made welcome in the family room of the Tap and Spile when I first wandered in there in folk week about 6 years ago, and I met lots of new friends. But the room is too small for all the people who would like to get into the singaround. And the rest of the pub is generally heaving in folk week anyway, especially (as Nutty pointed out earlier) now that no music is allowed in the Plough.

The front bar has been the non-smoking bar, so it's going to be interesting to see whether singers and musicians relocate to other parts of the pub next August after the smoking ban comes into effect. (They probably won't because they'll be keeping up the traditions.)

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 05:08 PM

No apology needed or expected, Mike. I was just pointing out that there may be two issues going on here. Thanks anyway.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 02:29 PM

Colin & Andrew, hope you plan to keep on selling real cider and mead.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Tap and spile
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 01:25 PM

Thanks to all, yes we will be keeping mead and scrumpy! Also changing real ales regularly, hopefully see you all soon


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 02:23 PM

It's always seemed friendly enough, and I've had no problem getting a song in, when I've dropped in. Well, squeezed in actually - it is rather overcrowded. That's what happens when a place gets popular - and I imagine that with the Plough of Despond out of bounds now it must have become even more overcrowded in Folk Week.

I prefer the kind of singing session where the singers are all over the room, with a skilled person juggling the spots, rather than the mechanical round-the-room way, which can get a bit mechanical. It's a lot harder to do, and it can go wrong, but when it works it can make for a livelier session. Maybe that's one reason it gets so crowded.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 07:35 AM

Sunday sessions now have own room, much more comfortable and fun


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 10:51 AM

Sounds good. Which room are they using for them?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM

The larger of the front rooms, good atmosphere


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: r.padgett
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 04:49 AM

Seems about right!

This being the family room until about 9pm and of course the room about which all the who ah! is about at festivals [Whitby FF and Moor and Coast]

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 11:08 AM

? Looking forward to it?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: old salty
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 06:54 AM

Hello you ALL,
                  The open folk session on a sunday night is run by my father [Derek Elliott]. He does not run any other session at the t&s.folk week,News Years or any other time.All these times were ran by the landlord and others in the back room. Yes it is true the open folk session has moved into the back bar [on sundays] but the two sessions remain seperate.The "singers only" cards were placed by the landlords NOT my father. He has asked me to say that all are welcome to the sunday night session and all are very welcome to join in.Moving to the back room will hopefully stop any one from being missed.The sunday night session will remain in the back room each week.May we also like to thank colin and andrew for their support.Hope to see you all there sometime. smiling!!! we hope our dereks session will remain in the back room 52 weeks a year. melody xx


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Carol
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 08:16 AM

Great, always enjoy Derek's sessions


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 10:44 AM

What a difference, its amazing!!! Good Luck!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: collierlad
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:28 PM

The new Tap & Spile charity Cd recorded in the front room, entitled "Behind Closed Doors" is to be lauched at this years Moor & Coast Festival. However it is now available by mail order. Full detail & track listings are on our WEB site, click on the link below.

Details of CD & How to order


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:13 PM

69


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Tyke
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 01:45 PM

I can confirm the comments made by old salty Derek Elliott has always whilst I have visited his Sunday Night session made everyone welcome. The, at times embarrassing, reserved for Singer and Musicians signs were put in place by the previous licensee as was the reserved for the Captain and Crew of the Grand Turk.
I always found them embarrassing because I always tried to make sure that I was there well before the start of the session, as did Derrick. The consequence of arriving early was that the late arrival of others who hade there seats reserved had people standing up who wanted to sit down in a room with empty seats, Embarrassing! I have personally as has Derrick suggested when the need arose that especially the infirm used the seats whilst the singers and musicians Captain and Crew turned up.

The inevitable babble of noise from around the Bar I have always found to be challenges to over come and a source of personal satisfaction when and if this was achieved. The friendly comrade ship of people in the room many of them regulars contributes to the session and encourages the strangers, who may never ever have visited and Acoustic un amplified session to join in. My thanks to them whilst helping others and myself to achieve this making this a very special and entertaining session full of fun. As inevitably the sale of packets of Crisps went down the consumption of Beer went up and yes there was reluctance to leave and some moaning at the end of the evening when the bar closed. But the majority would always return wanting more of the same every week. Well-done Derek and his many supporters!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: collierlad
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 11:01 AM

Some new photos of Peter & Sheree's farewell do are now on the WEB site.

Peter & Sheree Farewell Do (Tap & Spile)


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 05:51 AM

Called into the Tap and Spile (soon to be The Station Inn) on Saturday. Its all been redecorated and looks great (except for the blue in ladies loo - I'd have gone for eau de nile myself, Andy). I'm hearing very positive things regarding the future of folk in the pub so lets drink to that.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 06:51 AM

O sounds very nice so it will have gone from a sailing ship to a railway station waiting room then via a keg of ale!

Ray

Could be a song here maybe!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM

Well actually from a railway station on a loop line as it was the Railway Station Inn before it became the Cutty Sark so I am reliably informed.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: old salty
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:17 AM

Yes ! tis true Mrs Duck, about 100 yrs ago.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:43 AM

O thats got to be a treasure hunt question in the future!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 01:38 PM

Not this year Raymondo, the good lady wombat and myself will in all probably be doing the treasure hunt again ............. and we have plans !!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:22 PM

Cunning ones no doubt!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM

OMG!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:27 PM

Well, now that steam trains are running all the way to Whitby again (sometimes) perhaps it's time for the pub to recognise the station over the road...?

Kitty

PS Herga's Tim Brooks, who wrote "So far from home" and "The Devil and York Minster" also wrote a song about the railway, called "Steam again in Goathland".


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: collierlad
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 12:29 PM

Tap & Spile Spring Folk Newsletter


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 11:07 PM

Top marks to the new landlords, the place is bright and welcoming. Great range of ales and new pumps with more selection. Wine by the glass. Its getting a new name too.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 01:45 PM

Smashing!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM

Righto


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 06:59 AM

Food is now on offer at The Tap (soon to be known as The Station Inn)Had a great homemade steak pie yesterday with chips and peas.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,The Station Inn
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 08:10 AM

As from 12 April 2007 we are now officially 'The Station Inn'. Just thought you would like to know!! Cheers x


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Subject: RE: Whitby The Station Inn!
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 08:54 AM

ch ch ch ch changes!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 09:09 AM

Is that room going to be no smoking - Guest The Station Inn ?
I hope to be there on Sunday night, if the missus lets me :-)
However, I am unlikely to come along if it is smoking.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 03:47 PM

Any answers to the smoking issue then. Leaving in the morning to come up to Whitby.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: the one
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:49 PM

in car i suppose, killing us with carbon, dont bite.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 02:18 AM

I take that as yes it is smoking then.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: gnomad
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 03:19 AM

Yes, Les, still a smoking venue.

Not a great deal of it since the move into the front room, but still one or two smoking.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 07:40 AM

I had the impression they had the intention of changing the non smoking room to the larger front room instead of the smaller one. Of course it won't be long before the whole building will be smoke free. Hoping to be in Whitby tomorrow but likely to be travelling back before the Sunday session. Will still try to get in for a pint sometime during the day though :0)


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 09:54 AM


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:34 PM

Went in this afternoon. Minding our own business when one of the new owners (the one we've not met before) came in.
"Are you the Ducks?", quoth he!















Do they keep photofit pictures behind the bar?
Quack!
Geoff.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:49 PM

Passed by The Station Inn yesterday evening; was that a bouncer I saw on the door?

We're hoping to be back in Whitby in a couple of weeks so we'll try and get in for a drink.

Geoff the Duck, I thought that was good that you were recognised. I don't think anybody will recognise me though!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: gnomad
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 07:20 PM

Door staff are becoming quite widespread in the town, sometimes as a requirement of the license, sometimes as self-preservation. I think this one must be the latter, as the presence seems to be only part-time.

If you saw the same chap I have seen there a few times he looks pretty fearsome, but is perfectly civilised.

BTW, I've a hunch they don't like the term bouncer these days, too clear a description. Obfuscation rules, UK? 8-]


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:18 AM

Yes the term is doorstaff I believe


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: English Jon
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:23 AM

Strange. The one time I went to the Tap and Spile was purely by chance at the end of Sword Spectacular one year. There just happened to be a session on. They couldn't have made us more welcome and it will always go down in my memory as one of the nicest, friendliest pubs in the world, with great music and great beer.

Cheers,
Jon


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 10:31 AM

100 ....... well someone had too !


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,M&C
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 06:05 PM

The Tap (now called the Station Inn) does have a door supervisor, (as they are called)on Friday and Saturday nights...

In the old days before regulation the landlord used to supervise his own door... unless he holds the national door supervisors licence now he is breaking the law... strange but true...


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 05:05 AM

Nice to see a few mudcatters last Sunday


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,paddylayback
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 07:21 PM

I'm told that this Friday features Irish music with "Blarney Stone". Assume it's 9-11 as in the past.. will try to get there anyway!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Soldier boy
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 09:29 PM

Geoff the duck. They probably do keep photofit photos behind the bar but your colourful attire and the yellow plastic duck floating on the froth of your beer in your tankard might, I suggest, have revealed your secret identity!
God bless the ducks.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Guest jj
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 02:40 AM

What is going on at the tap on moor coast weekend? Will anyone be there?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 03:56 AM

Why not look at moor and coast website?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Guest jj
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:00 AM

Sorry, the pub formely known as the tap?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:05 AM

A lot of drinking i expect! I hope those 'door supervisors' are ready for a song or two. Cant wait


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Guest jj
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:16 AM

Me too not been for a long time


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,M&C
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:47 AM

Loads going on in the Station Inn (formally the Tap) see

http://www.moorandcoast.co.uk/

to find out...


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 05:09 AM

Well I mananged to visit 4 clubs whilst up there last week.

Station Inn (Sunday)
First In Last Out (Tuesday)
The Fleece (Wednesday)
Friendship Rowing Club (Thursday).

I would like to thank everybody for their hospitality, and a real pleasure to meet you all.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:23 AM

I wont be going


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST,Guest jj
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:31 PM

Good


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Date: 21 Apr 07 - 01:53 PM


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

Good?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: mandomad
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 04:52 PM

Excellent!!!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: mandomad
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 05:09 PM

Incidentally, ear plugs in, folks! I'll be there for the next two Sunday nights!!!


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 11:58 AM

Yeah


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:51 AM

yeah


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 07 - 10:43 AM

Is this place still the same then or have there been many changes? Does this affect Moor and Coast or Folk Week at all?


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 01 May 07 - 03:21 PM

GUESt just above -
The decor is not that far removed from what it was previously. Some of the furniture and fittings have changed and some fresh paint is in evidence. Some of the pictures on the walls are the same as before, but other stuff has gone.
We called by a couple of weekends back following a morning on the beach with the ducklings, so cannot comment on what happens on an evening. We were made welcome.
Perhaps someone ought to start a new thread for the Station Hotel Whitby and close this thread with a Blue Clicky?
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: Whitby tap and spile
From: The Villan
Date: 01 May 07 - 04:34 PM

I was there a couple of weeks ago on the Sunday evening and everything seemed to be OK. Had a very nioe evening and the owners seemed sypathetic to folkies. Not much changed I think apart from the name of the pub.

New thread Station Inn Whitby


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