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The Blues View V the Folk View?

RTim 30 Jan 07 - 08:29 PM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Jan 07 - 08:36 PM
RTim 31 Jan 07 - 11:03 AM
Duke 31 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM
Richard Bridge 31 Jan 07 - 11:14 AM
GUEST,Patrick Costello 31 Jan 07 - 11:28 AM
Alec 31 Jan 07 - 11:33 AM
Richard Bridge 31 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM
Scoville 31 Jan 07 - 12:15 PM
Scoville 31 Jan 07 - 12:20 PM
GUEST,M.Ted 01 Feb 07 - 02:29 AM
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Subject: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: RTim
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:29 PM

This evening I heard a piece with Buddy Guy on the PBS show "Etown"

Quoting from their web page:

"Electrifying Chicago bluesman Buddy Guy drops by etown this week. Guy has had his ups and downs in the music business during his long career, but has never lost the edginess of his powerful performances or the grittiness of his guitar playing. He plays and talks about the state of the blues with hosts Nick and Helen Forster."

Now - It was interesting how he talked about the performers of the past and thanked them for what he had learned from them.
There was however no talk of Traditional or Revival, you learn from the past and you respect the past, without getting into some debate that splits the community in two or Forces people to make choices or ascribe labels. You just love to play and sing the music that moves you - respectfully.

Is there something that folk music can learn here?

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:36 PM

I'm sure there must quarrelsome people around blues as well, who like to lay down the law. Some people are like that, regardless of what it is they choose to focus their attention on.

No need to let that get in the way of enjoying and making music though, whatever tradition the music comes from.


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: RTim
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 11:03 AM

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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: Duke
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 11:10 AM

If a song or a musical piece moves me, it matters not what kind of music it is. Of course I have my favourite kind of music and it is there that I look for my entertainment and also something to play. It is not often that I find a form of music I dislike.


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 11:14 AM

Oh, I'm absolutely sure there are huge arguments to be had about whether Buddy Guy's work is Chicago blues or some other kind (and how do you classify BB King or Albert King - is there a thing called "Vegas Blues") - clearly it isn't delta. There has, however never been a definition of the blues that required transmission and modification by an oral process, and indeed I am not aware of any definition of the blues at all. Certainly I often wonder whether Leadbelly played the blues or something else and if so what.

I do remember in the 60s and 70s large arguments about whether white men could play the blues, and if they couldn't what did John Mayall play?

Another was about where blues ended and jazz began.


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: GUEST,Patrick Costello
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 11:28 AM

You do get a few geeks in blues music arguing about meaningless stuff, but it's not as common as it is with folk or old time music.

I think the main difference is that getting even half good in the general area of blues guitar is such a difficult thing that nobody with any chops is going to care about splitting the differences between Chicago and Delta blues.

In folk and old time music the skill level is so generally low at the pro level that arguing over meaningless stuff works as a bluff. They can't "do" anything outside of a memorized list of tunes and they compensate for that by turning even the most simple musical question into a big steamy lead of bullshit.

-Patrick


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: Alec
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 11:33 AM

Am I right in thinking it was the Bonzo Dog DooDah Band who first raised the question "Can blue men sing the whites?"


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM

Yes - and is it even right for them to try?


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: Scoville
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 12:15 PM

"In folk and old time music the skill level is so generally low at the pro level that arguing over meaningless stuff works as a bluff. They can't "do" anything outside of a memorized list of tunes and they compensate for that by turning even the most simple musical question into a big steamy lead of bullshit."

That's both mistaken and unfair. There are plenty of mediocre, rigid, navel-gazing, pick-your-shortcoming, musicians in ANY genre, blues included (been there, heard them). Conversely, there are excellent and innovative (without, gasp, modernizing into something else entirely) musicians in all genres, folk and old-time included. I'm sorry you don't seem to have had any contact with them.


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: Scoville
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 12:20 PM

I might point out that the viewpoint stated is that of one individual. There are plenty of people who would say the same thing about folk, old-time, bluegrass, whatever. I rarely encounter the degree of nit-pickiness in real life that I encounter on Mudcat when it comes to questions of "what still counts as folk", nor do the musicians I've played with in real life dream wistfully of a folk revival. They're out there doing it; they don't need another pop-music takeover to revive it, and they have no fear of it dying out.


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Subject: RE: The Blues View V the Folk View?
From: GUEST,M.Ted
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 02:29 AM

Buddy Guy is the real thing--a real,honest to goodness Blues musician, who lived, learned, and played in the world where blues was--and even still, he makes a point of presenting his credentials and tipping his hat to those that have gone before--and he does that because there are nitpicky, holier-than-thou-art "purists" of one kind or another, out there in the blues community raising a fuss about what is,isn't or ought to be, just like all the other music communities--


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