BS: Teflon Tony

Subject: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Big Phil
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 11:23 PM

Has our Tony's Teflon finish gone missing. Questioned by the rozzers not once but twice,, I would love to have been a fly on the wall... Is it now time for him to disappear into the sunset. He has had the look of a rabbit caught in the headlights for a while now.
Any one seen slack Jaw Brown, he seems to have gone missing, a little like Prescott after his dalliance with his secretary, he was on the wanted list for a couple of months, but could not be found.
The most worrying thing is, when the time comes, who do we replace this crowd of shysters with, ... All pigs in the same trough......

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 03:45 AM

Saw Mr Brown last night, slinking out of the back door to the Treasury in Whitehall. He didn't look happy.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: GUEST,Neovo
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 03:53 AM

Whilst I hold no candle for Blair and his cronies, how else would the police investigate without interviewing key players? Just because a witness is interviewed does not mean they are guilty of anything. On the other hand I do not support calls for the police to bring their enquiry to a close - this smacks of attempted cover up. Let the police do their job without interference I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 05:35 AM

I really hope Tone's teflon coating has been worn away at last. It couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

What worries me about Brown, is that at the slightest hint of any problems he goes to ground and can't be found. That's not the sort of person I want to lead the country.

But whether there's anybody better in Labour, I doubt very much. And whether Cameron would be any better as PM, I also have doubts.

But something has got to change, and the sooner the better, because while Blair clings to power, nothing gets done and the country seems to have gone into a sort of limbo state. I guess TB is too busy planning his 'exit in a blaze of glory' and booking his gigs on Blue Peter, the Jonathan Ross chat show, etc. And of course roughing out the first draft of his memoirs.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 05:37 AM

I don't believe tha any of the current crop of politicians is any better than the set of crooks we have in at present. That isn't the point. What we need is a system which tells them they can't get away with it.
Quack!!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Scrump
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 05:45 AM

Well said GtD - the Quack I meant :-)

Just kidding, I agree with what you say.

I know it seems wrong to feel like this, but I really hope the police do find something in the 'cash for peerages' allegations and Blair & Co get what's coming to them. Unfortunately something tells me they will find a way to worm their way out of it yet again :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: GUEST,Bainbo
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 05:49 AM

I agree that just because someone's interviewed, it doesn't make them guilty. (In fact, with our police, just because someone's arrested and chraged, that doesn't make themn guilty either, but that's a whole other question.)

I've got to say, though, I didn't have much sympathy for Blair's bleating that we should all stop discussing the issue because those involved don't have a chance to answer back.

Well, welcome to the real world, mate. That goes for everyone, accused of anything from shoplifting to kiddy-fiddling. They don't get a chance to put their side of the story. What makes you so special?

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 09:15 AM

If they worked in the police or teaching or loads of reputable occupations and an allegation had been made against them they would be escorted off the premises, not allowed to take ANYTHING from their offices and not allowed back to their job until a full investigation had taken place.
Whitehall - WHITEWASH!
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 09:47 AM

Didn't trust him when he was first elected - don't trust him now.

Yet more scandal from his 'sleaze free' government.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 10:14 AM

I have to laugh when I hear members of the present government complaining about police tactics, and accusing the police of selectively leaking info to the papers.
This government turned leaking information into an art form. They have used it time and again as a means of gauging public reaction to one or other of their hare brained ideas. Alastair Campbell was the one who pioneered selective leaking as a means of governing the country.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 10:54 AM

I predict a resignation "for health reasons" before too long.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Gizmo
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 11:15 AM

Can't reply without saying anything nice. I will remain quiet.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: The Walrus
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 08:37 PM

My prediction is that the major players will all play the greased pig and, if anyone gets nailed it will be some minor character offered up as a scape goat.

Cynically

W

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 11:56 PM

The law in this country has always had a tory bias.

When I went down to the paper shop on the morning Levy was arrested and saw the tory press in full 'view hallooo' mood, I figured the bastards must been briefing their mates in Fleet Street all night.

If Blair has screwed up and disappointed over one issue - its not Iraq in my book - foreign policy always moves in a mysterious way, and we get to learn the real story 50 years down the line.

The real tragedy is that he didn't reform this country from top to bottom. Electoral reform, which would have saved the country from the possibility of the falling into the hands gits like Thatcher and Keith Joseph ever again. The other thing is the cops and MI6 and MI5, the whole bloody augean stables.

Basically Blair's just skidded in the pile of shit he thought he could live with. What a pity he didn't read Spycatcher and get some idea of the dark forces that were ranged against him, and any slightly left of centre administration.

I'm not sure he reads - he has that airhead grin all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 05:24 AM

So you're in favour of Gerrymandering and against democracy then WLD?
Surely the fact that labour leaning newspapers buried the news that put their favoured party in a bad light, is worse than the others featuring it on their front pages?
G

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:16 AM

Blair IS the hands of gits like Thatcher et. al.
She was the first place he went when he got into power, presumably to get his instructions.
Virtually everything he has done is further to the right than Thatcher's policies.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:17 AM

You always get some policies with Labour that are more geared towards helping the poor than helping the rich get even richer. Stuff the tories would simply NEVER consider You never get iconoclasm - mores the pity.

Not sure I follow the Gerrymandering bit. The executive powers of The House of Lords has been curtailed - so these honours handed out aren't really hiring out the reins of govewrnment.

I can't really see what the fuss is about - the honours have always been handed out on a fairly quid pro quo basis.

Anyway - Blair doesn't look teflon to me - he looks decidedly unstuck. I just look around the area where I live and see the economic expansion of the last few years and how it has benefited even our ex-mining community. I'll be honest, I'm dreading a return to conservative rule with its 'wealth trickling down - after the rich have drunk their fill' perspective.

Brown isn't as personable as Cameron. I think he'll lose to him. All these arrests without prosecutions are the contribution to the tory campaign from a well known bunch of their supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:00 AM

"The real tragedy is that he didn't reform this country from top to bottom. Electoral reform, which would have saved the country from the possibility of the falling into the hands gits like Thatcher and Keith Joseph ever again."

gerrymander derog verb (gerrymandered, gerrymandering) 1 to arrange or change the boundaries of (one or more electoral constituencies) so as to favour one political party. 2 to manipulate (eg data, a situation, etc) unfairly. noun a rearrangement or manipulation of this sort.

The Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949

Until the early years of the 20th century, the House of Lords had the power to prevent legislation, as bills had to be passed by both Houses of Parliament.

The Parliament Act

"David Lloyd-George's so-called 'people's budget' of 1909 brought this arrangement under strain, when the House of Lords originally refused to pass it. Eventually, the budget was passed after a general election in 1910; a second election was then fought on the issue of reform of the House of Lords. The result was the Parliament Act of 1911, which removed from the House of Lords the power to veto a bill, except one to prolong the lifetime of a parliament. Instead, the Lords could delay a bill by up to two years. The Act also reduced the maximum lifespan of a Parliament from seven years to its present five years. The Parliament Act 1949 further reduced the Lords' delaying powers to one year.

Since 1949 four acts have been passed into law without the consent of the House of Lords:"

The gelding of House of Lords is, and always has been a red herring used by TB to strengthen his virtually non existent socialist credentials.

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 12:41 PM

oh I dunno, pity he couldn't geld them more than in metaphorical sense..........

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: folk1e
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM

I note with interest the leingth of time this enquiry has taken! I think this shows the truth behind all the media SPECULATION!
Personally I don't like TB but he is probably the best of a bad bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 03:44 PM

Surely he can't be the best - even of a bad bunch!

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 04:43 AM

eanjay, I'm sure we'd all welcome a suggestion for an alternative at this stage of the game - well in fact - we would have done several years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: folk1e
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 10:01 AM

Ultimatly, power corrupts ultimatly

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: folk1e
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 10:03 AM

just a thought here ...... when we post here, do we put TB to the top of the pile again?

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 10:32 AM

Pile of what?

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: jacqui.c
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:29 PM

I'd prefer to see him at the bottom of a pile........

Subject: RE: BS: Teflon Tony
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:52 PM

He could be 'a pile', he's certainly a pain in the arse!
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