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Rasener 03 Feb 07 - 05:45 AM
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Subject: Pantomimes UK
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 05:45 AM

Just wondered if there was any fixed idea as to when a pantomime should be on.

My family and I went to see Alladin at the Broadbent Theatre in Wickenby in Lincolnshire,last night.

A pantomime in february - surely not!!!!

I beleive that it is bit traditional in Lincolnshre to do pantomimes after the New Year.

Anyway have a look at the link above. The theatre takes its name from Roy Broadbent who was among those involved in the conversion of the building. The son of Roy, actor Jim Broadbent, is the Honorary President of the Lindsey Rural Players (who own and run it).

Amazingly it is stuck in the middle of nowhere and many a person on trying to find it for the first time, have either been late or not found it at all.

I think these places are the little gems of this country.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 05:54 AM

I think its quite traditional for pantomimes to go on into February - it happens in Yorkshire.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 05:57 AM

It was only when I came to live in Lincolnshire, that I encountered pantomimes be run in January onwards.

Maybe its a North versus South issue.

Wait for it - Oh no it isn't :-)


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:02 AM

There's been one running continuously for years at 10 Downing Street London England.
G ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: bubblyrat
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:03 AM

If you go to the Palace of Westminster,you can find a Pantomime that has been performed every day now for several years !!


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: bubblyrat
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:05 AM

Look at the times !! How"s that for great minds thinking alike ??


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: GUEST,Mr Red (he's behind you)
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:05 AM

Oh No you can't..............................


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Alec
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:06 AM

I was an amateur actor myself for a good few years so I know the reason that many non-profesional performances avoid December & January are so they are not taking place when there are a lot of other demands on family budgets.
At a level I think Village Panto is the best type because the absence of star names means there is no requirement to shoehorn an opportunity for the star to do whatever it is they are renowned for into the narrative.
That having been said for the second consecutive year we have seen a genuinely brilliant professional Panto at the Theatre Royal in Newcastle.
These have starred local lass Jill Halfpenny who is a young woman with a seemingly natural aptitude for Panto & the performers who work under the name of Circus Hilarious.
They are currently touring in their own right & are well worth seeing.
All my life I have hated physical comedy but I love it when these guys do it.
This and the fact that they revive traditional Pantomime routines rather than depending for their humour on contrived references to currently fashionable T.V. programmes.
Look out for them.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:08 AM

Yes and on my Mothers 90th birthday as well.

I will be off to celebrate that later, I guess that will be a family pantomime. :-)


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:10 AM

Sorry my last post was aimed at Bubblyrat


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:20 AM

Thanks for that Alec.
I have to say that the pantomime last night was excellent and funny. The theatre is a very intimate one and the audience couldn't avoid being part of the show with their loud barracking and adlib. Thats what pantomimes are all about.

A little article about the Broadbent Theatre appeared this week in the local rag. It shows just how vunerable these little theatres are.
Have a read http://www.marketrasentoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=813&ArticleID=2008094


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Alec
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:36 AM

I'm pleased that they have managed to hang on in there Villan.
There are certain co-relations between amateur theatre & the Folk world (the best director of Village Pantos I ever met,was also an enthusiastic Morrisman)
One of those co-relations is that amateur theatre is a resource which,like the music,is there to be used & enjoyed & ,again like the music,if we don't use it we will lose it.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:46 AM

>>if we don't use it we will lose it<<

You never said a truer word


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: fat B****rd
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:26 AM

Worrevva. Villan, Happy Birthday to Your Mum.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:56 AM

Thanks FB I will pass that on to her, but I will have to be careful how I say it LOL

Mom somebody called fat B****rd wished you a happy 90th :-)


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Alec
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:47 AM

Happy Birthday to your Mum from me also Villan.
More on "Circus Hilarious" at www.circus.co.uk/


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:59 AM

While I get where you're coming from, Alec, I sometimes wonder what artistic fulfillment results from doing yet another amdram interpretation of Oklahoma...?

But amateur theatre can be really interesting. At our venue, we recently started an adults' community theatre, which is devising a piece on the Luddites in Loughborough, with particular reference to the smashing of John Heathcote's mill. They're incorporating music from the period. Thart definitely has folky overtones for me, and it will be a iece of theatre they've created, which is great.

On hte panto question, we usually go into the forst week of new year. I wonder if there's any panto tradition of finishing on 12th Night?

BTW, Alec, come to Loughborough Town Hall's panto next year. Just down the road from Nottingham. No slebs, no near-the-knuckle jokes - just good old fashioned panto, with lots of laughs, strong performances, and great sets and costumes. We even still have a principle boy who's a girl (several I saw this year didn't)!

We played to 90% capacity for the full run this year, so there are plenty of paople around who must still like a traditional panto, rather than the ones awash with rude jokes and soap stars.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Alec
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:59 AM

I'm pleased that good Panto is alive & well in your area as well Ruth.Must admit that we have been expected to get used to male principal boys of late (Booooo!!Hiiissss!!!)
Soap Star free zone sounds good as well (Though Jill Halfpenny who I mentioned earlier is, I believe, the only person to have appeared in significant roles in both Corrie & DeadEnders)
About the "Oklahoma" thing, perhaps another co-relation between amateur dramatics & Folk is that for some performers in each the audience's pleasure is not a primary consideration? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Ernest
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 10:10 AM

what a topic for a music forum.... lol


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 10:24 AM

" I went to visit a show , the Christmas do at the Hippodrome"

First line of When Father Was Pantomime Dame , Adrian May and Chris Leger !


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 12:21 PM

"We even still have a principal boy who's a girl (several I saw this year didn't)!"

The mind boggles. We do live in pretty degenerate times.

We don't go in for that in Harlow - when it comes to Pantos, Boys are still girls and Dames are still blokes.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 04:42 PM

>>Boys are still girls and Dames are still blokes<<

Thats how it was on Friday.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Alan Day
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:00 PM

We had this discussion on another forum and it would appear that no Pantomimes exist in America.
Just to clarify things for our friends across the pond.
The best Man or Hero is a Woman dressed up as a man, but normally has fishnet stockings ,The Heroin is a Woman dressed as a woman with no stockings,The Hero's Mother a Dame is a Man dressed as a woman with socks,The two Ugly Sisters are two men dressed up as a woman,The Donkey or Horse is usually two men, but could be two women,one being the head and front legs and one being the body and tail,The Cat is normally a woman dressed up as a cat, but has known to be an agile man.It is great fun to say "he's behind you" when it's actually a she. Or "Oh No he isn't" when actually he is.
That just about sums it up.
Al


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 06:19 PM

Actually, in the US there is a panto tradition in places with strong ex-pat communities. I was in a panto in LA about 20 years ago, before I'd ever actually seen one. Which was very odd indeed. But there were several others taking place in the greater Los Angeles area that year...

It was Jack and the Beanstalk, BTW. Ans we had the campest Harp you're ever likely to encounter. Toga'd up and painted gold, he was...


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:15 PM

I HOPE that pantos will still be alive and well in Jan - March time period. I am planning on retiring to England in about 8 years and one of the KEY reasons is --- going to the panto. I love the -- he's behind you.......and Oh NO he isn't pieces.....I remember taking my kids to the panto when we lived in England. The eldest was about 11 and we took her and her highly sophisticated friend -- seeing those girls leap up - turn in circles - and do everything requested from the stage was a treat.

Long live the panto.......


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 07:39 PM

Most pantos don't have any Heroin... Not part of the tradition.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: GUEST,melinda
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:46 PM

Do they have standard scripts and/or stock characters? Is it partly improvised? I'm still not clear on the concept. I've seen Italian "Commedia del'arte" - which is VERY silly! and wonder if this is anything like it.


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Subject: RE: Pantomimes
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:03 PM

the characters are apparently descended from Commedia, funnily enough.

Not improvised, no. But over the course of the run, the script tends to be deviated from more and more! There aren't standard scripts, but traditionally, there are only about 12 stories that are used (though there are some new ones that have been incorporated in recent years). They're mostly based on fairy tales.

You have stock characters and a kind of stock structure, with "set pieces" that turn up over and over again. But the interesting thing is that they've always been popular entertainment, incorporating poplar culture entertainers and references. So despite the fact that references to TV shows and pop culture characters is sometimes frowned upon by "purists" (including me), it's actually quite true to the spirit of the panto tradition.


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