Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing

Subject: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Micca
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:17 AM

I know there has been an interest in this kind of ethnic music on here before, a colleague at work is going to re4cord some at Easter this year and he very kindly gave me
This Link to his site where there is a sound sample of the Alatai(southern siberian) singing and some background. Personally I found the music strange ,fascinating and compelling all at the same time!!!

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:33 AM

Great site Micca.
I first heard of 'Throat Music' when I watched a Documentary about an American Quantum physicist who's life long ambition was to travel to Tuva to hear the Throat Singers. Strange way to hear about a form of Music I have now grown to adore.
There is another wonderful film called Genghis Blues (documentary also)...I will say no more about this film it is a wonderful story about a Man who went to Tuva to sing with the Throat singers there. You and your Friend would really enjoy this Film I think.
Thanks again for the Link.
Warmest of Wishes to You ma darlin (literally, it's freezing here, is it cold in the old smoke?)
Jude

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Micca
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 09:05 AM

Alba, snow and very cold at the moment, The guy whose site it is Richard Scrase is a teacher at my college and has made several trips to Altai.

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 09:35 AM

Then Richard is blessed indeed Micca and how lucky to know someone with so much knowledge of the region. Must make for fascinating conversations.
It is one of the places on this Planet I will visit one day, in this time around or the next... I am patient person..*grin*
Stay warm.
Love and Light
Jude

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:14 AM

One of my favourite kinds of singing to listen to, Miccadarlin'! You know I have that CD, "Deep in the heart of Tuva" which is a collection of "cowboy" throat singing from there. (I saw the same docu, Jude:-)

Micca, I have not read the entire blog, yet, but how WONDERFUL!! I have bookmarked it and will follow along with great interest. Thanks for sharing it and your friend with us.

Have either of you read the "Cowboy and the Cossack" by Claire Huffaker? I heard about it here. This singing always brings it to mind. It is a fabulous book.

luvyakat

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Micca
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 11:51 AM

Alba, The Physicist who did the docu on Tuva was the Late, Great, Richard Feynman One of the most brilliant, amusing and erudite men of the 20th century.
I am keeping warm and cooking sauerkraut and Franks for dinner, real comfort food!!!.
The singing is AFIAK of the same kind used by Shamans of the region in healing rituals, The use some kind of specific "frequency related" tones or notes to heal body parts by setting up resonances in the body cavities. a couple of Celtic shamans I know do the same thing, with strange sounding "singing".

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 02:38 PM

Richard Feynman Yes Micca.....I have not been able to remember that wonderful man's name since I saw that documentary. everything has it's reason Thank You Micca.

It was really a very touching experience. People who would normally have not been at Home or around a TV on the day that program aired " just happened" to see it~ oh yeah~
I lived in London (near the Bakers Arms?) at the time and I only saw it because a friend had moved in with me for a few weeks and brought her TV. I didn't own or watch any TV but for some reason I put her TV on that morning and there he was, Richard Feynman!
For Months, no Years afterwards, I would mention Tuvan Throat Music and people would say "oh, did you see a documentary, I can't remember the name of the lovely man it was about but it featured Throat Music and the man, oh what was his name"...go figure..eh?
As to the Healing aspect of this Music...well that is one of the many reasons why I have grown to LOVE it so over the Years.
Fantastic....full circle...Now I shall seek the Book that Kat has mentioned. Thanks Kat ma Darlin
Love and Light ~ Love and Light ~ Love and Light..*smile*
See Mr Feynman.... oh I think you do Sir

Jude

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:34 AM

Don't forget the late Paul Pena: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LYc06l2gGo ...

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:07 AM

Somewhat nearer home for most of us is the throat singing of the Yörük nomads of Turkey. There is a recent recording of their music by the Turkish label Kalan (who do some amazing stuff, usually very well documented in at least Turkish and English and sometimes other languages as well). The technique is a bit different to that of the Central Asian Turkic and Mongol peoples.

This "Celtic shaman" bollocks is really annoying. There's a guy in Edinburgh (with some conection to Findhorn) who does it, inventing stuff about throat singing to the seal people while accompanying himself on a harmonium which he's had to paint the note names on. It has no connection to any tradition beyond that of Western hippies getting off their faces and was probably the dullest music I've ever sat through.

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Alba
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:27 AM

Beg to differ about the "celtic shaman bollocks" as you call it Jack. Then again it world be a sad old planet if we all agreed on the same topics!
Pagan Shamans have been using "specific frequency related tones or notes to heal body parts by setting up resonances" as Micca said in his post for, oh, a few thousand years now.

The Yörük resonances/tones you mentioned are also amazing although they are of a diffrent tone and frequency from those used in Siberia and Mongolia. It is actually fascinating just how many Cultures use the voice in this manner.
I am personally glad to see that an interest in this healing method is spreading. Open the mind and the heart will follow. *smile*
Far oot and groovy eh!
Happy Fry Day all
Jude

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: open mike
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:43 PM

The Tuvan Throat Singers have an incredible way of DiTonal singing..
there are several styles of this...getting multiple tones at once.

Also known as overtone singing, or khoomei, here are some other links.

http://www.fotuva.org/music/index.html

http://khoomei.com/types.htm

at one time there was a touring group of buddhist monks who sang in this style, but by all accounts it originated in Tuva and here is the main performaing group:

http://www.huunhuurtu.com/

speaking of Paul Pen~a (who passed away last year) here is a movie
featuring him. (He was blind and discovered this music over the
short wave radio. Eventually he perfected the singing styles and
entered the competition in Tuva) see http://www.genghisblues.com/

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Les from Hull
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:09 PM

Might I recommend Yat-Kha and in particular the Re-covers CD where Albert Kuvezin sings his favourite Western songs in Tuvan throat singing mode details here. Albert's interpretation of the Led Zeppelin version of 'When the leveee breaks' is one of my most played tracks at the moment.

Subject: RE: Folklore: 'Siberian' type Throat singing
From: Les from Hull
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 05:37 PM

Also click on the other CD titles on the left to listen to (and save)MP3s of some of their other stuff.