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Pear Tree Inn Southampton

growler 09 Feb 07 - 05:14 PM
Geordie-Peorgie 09 Feb 07 - 05:47 PM
RTim 09 Feb 07 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,Terry McDonald 09 Feb 07 - 07:48 PM
ossonflags 10 Feb 07 - 07:40 AM
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Subject: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 05:14 PM

Anyone remember the Folk Club in the Pear Tree in the sixties. I remember seeing McColl and Seeger, Maddy Prior and Tim Hart and many others


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 05:47 PM

Are you sure it wez 'The Pear Tree'?

Aah remember gannin' to a folk club at 'The Bay Tree' in town in the mid sixties


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:59 PM

Certainly the Bay Tree (opposite the So'ton Tech. College and serving Gales beers) was the venue for The Focsle Folk Music Club run by John Edgar Mann and John Paddy Brown in the early 1970's. I was a resident at that time with Dave Williams, Steve & Cheryl Jordan, Geoff Jerram. A wonderful club with great guests every week.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 07:48 PM

Yes - it was the Bay Tree. Saw Shirley Collins there. The pub survived until quite recently but was pretty derelict last time I called in to the University (yes, it's now a university, not a tech. college any more)


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: ossonflags
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 07:40 AM

Yeh I remember that one,saw Alex Campbell there i think about 1969/70 ish.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: ossonflags
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 07:41 AM

Was there a folk club out at Shirley about the same time?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:43 AM

I remember an earlier club, the Balladeer, which was somewhere near the University (the older unversity). Saw Hedy West, and the McPeakes there.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:05 AM

There was a club at what I call Shirley Pond,(At junction of Terborba? Way, Redbridge Hill, etc) on the corner opposite the Old Hatched House pub as you go up the hill to Shirley High Street- but I can't remember what either the club or pub was called, and I only seem to remember going there once. It was no way near as good as the Focsle.
Their only real rivals at the time were The Cutty Wren at Hythe and then way down to Bournemouth for the traditional based Wessex on Fridays or The Free Express on Sundays.
There was also the club at Christchurch run by Alan White (What was that pub called?)were I used to sing as I was on of the original Twynham Morris that was centred there. The courtyard and club room (with its pole in the middle) was a venue during The Christchurch Folk Festival. for years.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:06 AM

Growler once told me he saw the Chapmen there supporting someone else, and they were very (he said) impressive.


Anyone else remember them? If so, tell me what they were like, and I'll tell you why I want to know!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:37 AM

The Balladeer was in the Bassett Hotel - just remembered. The Wessex was our club, originally the Bournemouth and Poole Folk Song Club and started in 1964 by the Biddles (me, Liz Heaslip and Don Morgan)and Robin Whittlestone.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:51 PM

Sorry, it was the 'Bay Tree', the club running in Shirley, at that time, called itself 'The Anvil Folk Club


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:30 PM

Blacksmiths Arms in Shirley every Monday,had the Funario Folk Club hosted usually by the "Funario Folk Three" memory says it comprised Brian (Crabbe) Neville-Lee, Robin Parker and another. Other notables included John Murfitt & Pat McMillan, John Heslop etc. And of course "Ian T. Weekes, Folk Singer"the man who introduced me to Folk music ("what music?" "Folk music!" was the conversation as I recall.
Ah yes the Cutty Wren Hythe! How long have we got I feel a page coming on...Actually started by Dave Brittain ( where is he now?) in The Drummond in Hythe village.It moved to the Hythe Hotel in Frost Lane. It was about here I got involved and sufffice to say I learned the ropes of organising by helping Rod Ferguson sail the good old Cutty. Later on after a few changes and a move to still the best facilities of any folk club, ever in the history of time, Ron Kelly joined the team. Residents at the time included Rick Keeling, Anne and Steve Mitchel Bill and SYlia Rogers, Mo Thomas and of course thye irrepresible Rog Carmen.
That's enough for now, I've come all over uneccesary.

Andy
These notes came straight off the top of my head so there will be gaps and ommissions galore.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:33 PM

Ooh Ooh Ooh , forgot to say that the Funario changed to the Anvil after a short intermission.
The Fo'cs'l'e, they had all three apostrophes in those days, was there before all and is still going strong now.
A.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 06:28 PM

Aah wez resident MC at 'The Fo'c's'le for a fdw years (followin g the admirable Brian Hooper: Terry Gregory (RIP) was the organiser and we met at 'The Joiners' in St Mary's.

It was a student pub and also attracted a few 'low-lifes' who made a lot of racket in the main bar.

It was eventually taken over by an asshole pub manager who moved us out at an hour's notice stating that the 'folk crowd were intimidating his regulars'!!!

We moved about a bit and the club is now run by the lovely Jane and equally lovely Trevor (SCoFF Webmeister) and is a lovely and welcoming club


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 06:43 PM

Hythe? I made my solo debut there, c1965, but it was at the 'Black Seagull.' Was this the name of the pub or the club?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 07:02 PM

When I started going to the Cutty Wren in Hythe in the very early 1970's it was in Frost Lane at the ??? Hotel - Andy Jackson will remember, as he was there at the same time as me. The hotel is now called The Fountain Court, but damned if I can remember the old name. Maybe I should go hunt out the LP the residents made (Called Frost Lane), but don't really know where it is!

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:00 PM

Hi Tim,

The Hotel was called the Hythe Hotel in the early days, I remember we had to roll back the massive carpet every club night and roll it back again at the end of the evening.
But the name Don Stewart comes to me as the manager as does Stewart Lodge Hotel., and then Westcliffe Hall Hotel. I still think they were all the same building.
I the latter years of the club, before it's move to Totton, we had all the downstairs rooms for the sole use of the club. Our own entry door round the back, a seperate Bar, Tune up/Geen room, toilets of course, and even a small kitchen. The club room was L shaped but big enough to squeeze over 200 on many occasions.
Guest Terry: The Black Seagull rimngs bells although it was before my time.
Careful chaps....this is the kind of thread that blows away a lot of cobwebs and starts books being written.
I saw a copy of Frost Lane sell on Ebay for over £70 a few months ago.

(We still have the master tapes.)

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:02 PM

Anyway, back to the Bay Tree. Does anyone else remember the wall at the top of the stairs. Absolutely covered in autographs by many, many jazz music greats and not a few from Folk. It was painted over by the new, caring, Landlord and I presume long since destroyed.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:39 PM

Blacksmith's Arms, Shirley, on Mondays, Fo'c'sle on Wednesdays and Balladeer on Fridays, both at the Bassett Hotel.
Drummond Arms, Hythe, for the Cuty Wren, then there was another club in East Steet and the University Folk Club at the University, Sundays.
Also there was the Waterfront at Woolston, which mover following the pub having caught fire.
And does anyone remember the Wishing Well coffee bar, firs in St. Mary Street then later in Onslow Road? Run by a Nick Somebody-or-other and open late until very early (or late) in the morning. Excellent coffee, folk music on the stereo unless we were all singing, and a lot of lovely customers, many of whom named above.
BTW, Brian Hooper taught me French at Taunton's School!

Colyn.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 05:21 AM

We are gradually adding so much interesting info here, although some contradictory that I think the time has come for a new thread something like."Old Southampton Area Folk Clubs. Or even early SCOFF clubs, because most of us travelled the clubs contained in the Bournemouth - Salisbury - Portsmouth Triange.. I we get the right title it could be a very interesting thread. I don't know if Joe and/or his clones combine threads from here to kick start the new thread but it could be good.

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 05:39 AM

Andy - yes we all went to clubs other than our own, although the geography varies. Those of us who were Bournemouth based seldom went further east than Southampton, but were regular visitors to Dorchester, Yeovil and even Exeter. Bournemouth (i.e. the Wessex) was, I think, the only club that belonged to both SCOFF and the South West's version. Meetings of the latter were held at Halsway (under the auspices of Bill Rutter) and rtegular attenders were the Journeymen from exeter, the Songwainers from Cheltenham, Ted Poole from Swindon, the Yetties from Yeovil (club) and the Biddles from Bournemouth.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:07 AM

OOPS! it's getting bigger all the time. How about Southern Folk Clubs UK. for a thread ? I just have the feeling that this thread has the wrong pub name and we fell upon it by idle curiosity based on Southampton.

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:38 AM

Who was the resident at the Bay Tree, a big bloke, who regularly sang the best rendition of 'Shoals of Herring' I have ever heard


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: ossonflags
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:54 AM

I remember him!!! he was a big fat youth and he had a lovely trained tenor voice.never heard him sing out other than "Shoals of Herring" though


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 11:31 AM

Hmm, no-one remembers "The Chapmen"?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 03:16 PM

I do remember the name, but can't for the life of me, recall seeing them. ( It was 40 years ago, afterall )


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scrump
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 07:20 AM

Sorry to hi-jack this thread, but I have a question that some of you might be able to answer.

Can anyone remember a folk club in Swaythling, nr Southampton, in the late 1960s? I used to play there as a regular for a while (in 1968-9), but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the pub or much else, come to that. It was one of a group of 4 folk clubs I used to play at - I think they were all organised by the same guy, whose name I also forget. The other 3 clubs were in Basingstoke, Fleet and Hook (not that it helps).

Can anyone remember any of these clubs? The B'stoke one is the one I remember best, because I lived near there at the time. It was in the Hop Leaf Hotel (more like a pub really) in the (old) town centre, before they built that modern shopping mall.

As for the other 3, I can't remember any details such as the pub names. Any help / memories would be welcome.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 08:51 AM

Well, Simon, that's not what you told me before: but you had had additional fluids to refresh the brain cells.

Ah well, c'est la vie (ou peut etre la mort).


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,John Paddy Browne
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 07:50 AM

Been watching this correspondence with interest and amusement from my hermitage in deepest Hampshire. Someone mentioned the idea of writing a sort of history of the Southampton/Hampshire/southern Counties folk club scene -not a new idea but one that would at least record the presence of a marvellous collection of visitors to these clubs: MacColl and Seeger, Bill Clifton, Rory and Alex McEwen, The Ian Campbell Folk Group, Bob Davenport, The McPeake Family, Cyril Tawney, Roy Bailey, Sydney Carter, Steve Benbow, Louis Killen, Shirley Collins, Isla Cemeron, The Yetties - oh, dozens more - and that's only The Fo'c'sle.
And then there are the many dozens of talented "residents" who were the backbone of the local club scene.
The club had its genesis at the old Balladeer Club at the Bassett Hotel when John Edgar Mann and I formed The Fo'c's'le (yes, three apostrophes)which opened its doors at a packed Bay Tree, New Road, Southampton on Friday 10 May 1963. The local police and Fire authorities all enjoyed their official visits so much that they turned a blind eye to the over-crowding and the possibility of the room collapsing into the public bar below. MacColl, in his autobiography, recalls the place being so packed that there wasn't enough oxygen for him to light a match.
But enough of this. A lot of those names are no longer with us. Is there sufficient interest among today's less populous folk club fraternity to warrant a book of stories, anecdotes, and photographs (and God knows, there are plenty) to warrant a good little local book? I'd buy one.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM

I asked this before, in another thread about the Southampton area, but does anyone remember a club in Swaythling, near there? I played there several times as a 'resident' although I lived near Basingstoke then, and used to get the train down. I can't remember the name of the club, what pub it was in, or anything else much! Pretty sure John Isherwood played there though.

C'mon, somebody must remember it?! Or did I dream it all?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,JPB
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 04:19 PM

The Crescendo (!) was held at the Hampton Park Hotel, Swaythling. It was running in 1965, but I don't know for how long beforehand or afterwards.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 04:23 PM

I know Miskin Man has the old Cuttty Wren model in my old lounge.


Scooby


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Crabbe
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 04:33 PM

Just for the sake of completeness and harking back to the Anvil, Blacksmith's Arms, Shirley (previously the Fennario, at a pub in East Street the name of which escapes me). The three people notionally running the club were me (now happily settled in Worcester), Robin Parker (now happily settled in Norfolk) and Jon Heslop (now happily settled in Cornwall) - I say notionally, because where would we have been without my wife Nicky who sold more raffle tickets than you could shake a stick at in those days? Come to think of it she still does.
Jon, Robin and I performed as "Omen" and then later when Jon dropped out, Robin and I became "Volume II". Jon still writes and sings and so do I, not sure about Robin.
I love John Paddy's idea about a history of Southampton folk clubs and would be plleased to contribute to same if anyone wants to pick up the baton.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 04:59 PM

I seem to remember being at tha Blacksmiths Arms, when Tim Hart and Maddie Prior, where recording 'The Horn of The Hunt' for a radio show, and a lady, obviously the aforesaid Nicky, trying to sell rafle tickets, without her voice sounding on tape.
Having deserted Hampshire for Kent in 1972, I would love to see John Paddy's idea, come to fruition


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 05:38 PM

Hi John-Paddy and Crabbe. Yes, Yes, lets get a book of the early Southampton folk scene onto the starting blocks. With mudcat etc we have a wonderful gathering device we could have only dreamed of all those years ago.
I have been brushing the dust off a whole batch of 1/4 tapes from that era, try these names for size.
Dave Brittain, Roger Carmen, Ron Vardey, Mo Thomas. Mo is still around I know but never when I make one of my visits down south. Paul Mc Neil and Linda Peters, Tim and Maddy, the list goes on.
I even have a recording of the night the Anvil reopened!! Exiles etc. JEM of course has memories and tales enough to fill the second volume after JPB.
Great to hear from you both,

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 05:40 PM

If it was to be about Hampshire clubs, then don't forget Bournemouth. We were a Hampshire club until 1974 when we suddenly found ourselves in Dorset. Probably for the better, though. It's a superior county.....says he, who was (and is)from the Poole side of the border.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 07:41 PM

Helen Woodall


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 05:47 AM

Helen Woodall - still around, part of the Old Pull and Push band. In the 'olden days' she was part of a duo with Richard Thrift called......Richard and Helen.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scrump
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 06:52 AM

Another bit of reminiscence of artists on the Hants folk scene in the late 1960s, that I hope someone will be able to help with:

There was a duo, two guys, who used to play bluegrass-type music. One was tall and thin, with curly black hair and a beard, and played 5-string banjo; and the other was shorter and more stocky, with red hair and beard. The shorter guy used to sing with a pretty good tenor voice, IIRC.

I also saw the tall guy appear as a solo act on his own, but I can't remember seeing the other guy on his own. I don't know whether they split up as a duo at that time, or what.

I saw them several times in the clubs I used to frequent (mentioned elsewhere), around 1968-9.

Does this description ring any bells? Can anyone name these guys, or remember anything else about them?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:01 AM

Helen Woodall was my singing partner too for a number of years until I moved to Oxfordshire in 1972.
We were also, with are spouses, founding members of Twynham Morris of Christchurch, along with Alan White, who used to run the Folk Club in the same very small space we practiced.
I can't remember the name of the pub - can anyone help me - and what ever happened to Alan? I heard he was helping at one time to run the campsite at Sidmouth and that he may? be now involved with the Wareham singing sessions?
I haven't seen him for well over 30 years!

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:07 AM

Alan's still around, still living in the same house in Parkstone/Newtown. I've seen him a few times recently although I think the last was at Ringwood in January 2006 when Martin Carthy was the guest. I may also have seen him at Sidmouth in August but I'm not certain - met a lot of people there that I know/used to know.

Tim - do you remember John Edmonds and Jimmy Melville? They were Christchurch based.

Scrump - the tall, thin banjo playing one sounds like Richard Thrift.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:13 AM

Regarding Banjo playing, etc. two-some - Do you mean The Dixie Ramblers? or at least some of them (there were 3 of them whose names I can't remember)?
Or are you thinking of Murfitt & McMillan who used to play at The Focsle?

Terry - I don't remember either Jihn Edmonds or Jimmy Melville - what did they play?

Best - Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:28 AM

Tim - John Edmonds (Dorset accent) had a good voice and a liking for Irish material. Brilliant harmony singer - his harmonies were almost new melodies. Jimmy Melville was Scots and his preference was towards Country music. They were a good duo, though.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Broadside Man
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:05 AM

I am happy to report that Alan White is a live and well and indeed running the campsite, again, and a lot more at Sidmouth.

Alan also took on the Wareham Wail after Wareham Folk Harvest finished in the early nineties. The Wail first took place at Stoborough school before moving to a site just outside Wareham at Worget. The wail under Alan has now moved to Verwood.

Terry, I last saw John Edmonds a few years ago. We both worked for BT at the time and John had formed a little band that played regularly at the Catherine Wheel just outside Christchurch. John was kind enough to come over to East stoke for a fund raising event i was running for Greenpeace.

Geoff Payne


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:21 AM

Hi Geoff - just to let you know John has moved to France! I suggested to him that he and I do a spot together at one of the Breton festivals.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scrump
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:29 AM

Regarding Banjo playing, etc. two-some - Do you mean The Dixie Ramblers? or at least some of them (there were 3 of them whose names I can't remember)?
Or are you thinking of Murfitt & McMillan who used to play at The Focsle?


Unfortunately, the names you give don't ring any bells. Some of them may be correct, it's just that I can't remember at all what they were called, although I saw them several times and played on the same 'bill' as them on many occasions. I never went to the Foc'sle. The clubs I played at were in Basingstoke (at the Hop Leaf Hotel), Swaythling, Hook and Fleet (i.e mainly in N Hants, except the Swaythling one). As I said in another post, I think those 4 clubs were all run by the same guy, whose name I also can't remember - all I remember about him was that he wasn't a performer himself, and used to wear dark glasses all the time (even indoors in a dingy folk club). Either he thought it was cool, or he had an eye problem!

If anyone can remember this guy, or anything else, I'd be grateful.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: bubblyrat
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:27 AM

I played with Helen & The Old Pull & Push in Studland a few years back--It was a dance for a youth-group called " Crusaders ", they were unbelievably energetic, & wanted to dance all night !! We collapsed around midnight, and the youngsters all dashed down to the beach for a swim ! The folk-club that I played in ,in Christchurch, up until 2 years ago, was in the "Barn Bar " in the courtyard of the "George " on the roundabout, up near the Priory. Once a year, there would be a big "session" in the courtyard, a remnant of the defunct "Christchurch Folk Festival " --A shadow of its former self !!
Part of the "Barn Bar" has now been turned into a rather cissy gift shop, although at the time that I left, they were still having bands playing there on friday nights---Murphy"s Lore , Mary Jane, Lady Winwoods Maggot et al, but the actual "sessions " are now held in "The Ship ", opposite the Regent Centre. Ask Mudcatter "Lilly",-- she knows more about Christchurch than anyone else alive today !! (That is a compliment, by the way !! )


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:55 AM

Yes - The George, we used to have the folk club and our morris practices there in the "Barn" - even with a pole in the middle of the floor.
Helen Woodall and I were filmed by the BBC at the 1971 or 72 Christchurch Folk Fest in the courtyard you mention, and a friend gave me a copy of the film on DVD last year. It is great to look around the audience and see who you remember.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scrump
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:18 AM

Bah! I went to the trouble of finding this thread and reviving it, to ask about these two guys I remember, and it's been hijacked by these queries about other artists! Still that's Mudcat for you! Maybe I'll try again in a few days... :-)


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM

I think this thread started as a question about a folk club in Southampton - only later was it highjacked as an identification question - which some have tried to answer!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 12:49 PM

Just to throw a few more names from the time into the pot...
Paul Hawkins - Steve Nunn, brother of Gary. Colin Grant-Adams, Dave Ingledew, Sibby.
Not wishng too blatant a plug, have a look at Forest Tracks
Andy
I think the Foc's'l'e LP "Residents Night Out" is also available as a cd now.
Incidentally I've contacted Cecil SHarpe House to see if the Christchurch Festival film is available to hire or even purchase.
Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 01:12 PM

Tim: Alan White hasn't changed a bit! He ran the Sidmouth campsite for years, now runs the very succesful Wareham Wail and is a moving force in the revamped Sidmouth Festival. Like I say, he's not changed a bit, the same twinkle in his eye even.

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 04:21 PM

Scrump
I think the tall guy was Paul Brier, I went to school with him, but havn't had contact with him since the late sixties. I remember him going into Chappel music shop and asked to try out a banjo. He ended up blocking the street and was warned by the local plod that he was causing an obstruction


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:15 PM

Paul Hawkins is still around but doesn't 'club' any mair

Steve Nunn now lives in Cornwall in his wee recording studio

Gary Nunn still does kid's entertainment at festivals etc

And Dave Ingledew is still a leading light in The Bursledon Village Band - One of the most consistent and wunnerful bands aroond.

Not heard of Sibby for a great many years.

Nice story for anyone who knaahs Sooty Broughton - Lynch-pin of the Railway Folk Club for 300 years - At Brian Ingham's funeral Sue Apicella's hubby saw Sooty and said, "By Heck, George Wilson's let himself go, hasn't he?"


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,John Paddy Browne
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 03:54 PM

To answer Scrump's query of 14 March, it was indeed The Dixie Ramblers: Dave Betteridge (banjo) and Derek Glasspool (guitar). They occasionally used a bass-player (acoustic) whose name escapes me.
The Dixies appeared on the very first Forest Tracks album, FIRST TRACKS, and this is now available again on CD, with original cover and sleeve-notes, from Forest Tracks. Also on this album: Helen Woodall, Dave Williams, Ted Duckett and Harmonious Blacksmith.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:03 AM

Ah! Dave Betteridge - I'm pretty sure that was him, because as I said, I did see him doing solo gigs, as well as appear with the duo, so his name would have been announced. So it must have been the Dixie Ramblers. I wasn't sure before, but I'm pretty sure you're right. Does anyone know what happened to them?

Thanks to all who have provided info, and apologies for hijacking the thread Tim!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Dave Ingledew
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:33 PM

Hi All,

Sibby is still alive and well, after retiring from the folk scene for about 15 years he came to The Bursledon Village Band's 20th birhday bash and decided to start calling again. He calls with us fairly regularly, travelling from darkest Essex where he now resides to sunny Hampshire.

He's still a star !! I can remember so many evenings when he's had us in stitches by a simple comment he's made to one of the dancers.

BTW it The BVB's 30th this May, we're having a dance and workshops at Hamble Memorial Hall. Check out www.bursledonvillageband.co.uk if you're interested.

We'll always be grateful to the F'o'c's'l'e' for providing the oportunity to get the band started in November 1996.

Cheers to you all.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,long suffering fiddle player/wife
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:17 PM

He means 1976!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Peter Green
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM

Ah yes I remember it well. I cut my folk teeth with all those familiar names until I fled to the Isles of Scilly in '66
Returned in early 70s to Cutty Wren and some MCing with Alan (?) Rutter. Also there was Roger Bucknel who went on to make some exceedingly good guitars.
What no mention of Guta Purcha (spelling) or Vic, Vince & John
(Vince makes a fair guitar also)
Could reminisce for hours from here in Poole


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:59 AM

Spelt Gutta Percha, I think, Peter. I can still remember some of his song, The Great Skiffle Disaster, sung to the tune of the Gresford Disaster. I think the first verse went:

You've heard of the skiffle disaster
Took place at a local hotel
A hundred and one skifflers turned up
Was there an audiunce? was there Hell...

also

A hundred washboard players
Had brought their washboards along
With their thimbles in place and a smile on their face
They rendered that old worried song....


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Peter Green
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 11:20 AM

My Favourite Gutta Percha song was 'Dancing to the Eve of Destruction' about Pan's People dancing to the 60s hit 'Eve of Destruction' by Barry McGuire. I think it was irony at its best.

The Foc's'l'e spent a few months in an upstairs room used by the Order of Buffalos Its now the West key car park. Anyone remeber the pubs name?

Incidentally Ted Duckett, of spoons fame, worked for my dad!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 01:34 PM

The Fo'c's'le is on the move again

Havin' been at the 'Wellington' for ten years they are now moving to The Richmond Inn' in Portswood, Southampton from 23rd March.

Since aah took ower MC from Brian Hopper aall those years ago it's moved aboot eight times in aall

Good on Jane & Trevor et al for keepin' it gannin'


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: inertmale
Date: 10 May 07 - 11:40 AM

Just a note to say that I remember the Bay Tree Inn at the junction of East Park Terrace and the road to Bitterne. It had completely black decor in my day and the beer was "Gales" and always had a slight metallic tinge to my palate.
I also remember the "Hay Wain" at Cadnam and the rural Games held there. Anyone else remember?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 10 May 07 - 05:28 PM

The old club room at the back of The Haywain was very important to me when I started being involved in folk song and dance. The Bi-weekly dances were where I started singing with Helen Woodall (in the interval) and I met Alfie Woodall and Derek Binstead and we were all founding members of Tyneham Morris (of Christchurch) and with our female partners, we were all members of The Haywainers dance group led by Paddy Searle.
I also remember, but didn't go that often, the Friday night sessions with Sarah & The Sinnermen? Is that right? Helen Woodall and her then singer partner - Richard? used to sing during the break, as did sometimes my old friend and main influence- Dave Williams. Great times and many memories.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 10 May 07 - 07:36 PM

Richard Thrift, Tim.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 07 - 05:19 AM

Mention of Paul Brier above - if it's the same guy, I played in a jug band with him (mostly at the Anvil, 1970), he played a banjolin and/or harmonica; later on morphed into a fine electric blues guitarist (worked with Bob Pearce, who back in '70 played washboard at the Anvil) - jeez, that's a long time ago...


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: scouse
Date: 11 May 07 - 07:04 AM

Was it Gutta Percha who use to sing......

Oh, flamin',flamin,June, you've spoke half an hour to soon,
Your a better man than I am Gunga Din,
When the Sun shines bright on Totten,
The stench is somethin' rotten,
But it's better when the Tide is comin' in..
Chorus... As I seem to remember...
Oh,Jane,Oh, Jane, may I never smell your sweaty feet again,
In the Factory were she works makin' glass eyes for the Turks,
She my ////////////////////// Scarlet fevered Jane.

Brian (Crabbe) Neville-Lee. john Paddy Brown,Jeff I remember well also Geoff Jerram. RTim I must have known you as well.. I lived down with John Murphitt for quite a while.. and went to all the clubs including one near or in Chandlers Ford if memory serves correct.. We used to sit on bales of hay an drink Cider and the Farmer used to put his sick cows behind the stage area..told me the music seemed to buck them up no end.
As Aye,
Phil Jackson.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 11 May 07 - 07:11 AM

Yes, that was one of his - I'd forgotten it. The 'flamin' June bit was the chorus, though. The tune was a variant of 'She'll be coming round the mountain', and there was a verse about when being asked for a light, being told to 'climb up and get it off the bloody flame', meaning the flame at the Fawley oil refinery. Gutta was Mike Sadlier and his sister was married to Dave Williams. I think.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 11 May 07 - 08:04 AM

Yes - David Williams was married to Christine Sadler and still lives locally.
Flaming June is still sung by Geoff Jerram - and it is about TOTTON - the place of my berth!
Sorry Phil, but your name does not ring bells with me, but it was all a very long time ago now. I have not lived in Hampshire since 1973, although I am often back there to visit my mother & sister who live in Marchwood & Hythe.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 11 May 07 - 08:07 AM

Just remembered - the melody to Flamin' June was Maggie May, not She'll be Coming Round the Mountains!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 11 May 07 - 09:39 AM

Flaming June - words Mike Sadler, tune - Maggie May.
Chorus:
Oh, FlaminÕ FlaminÕ June you spoke half an hour to soon
YouÕre a better man than I am Gunga Din
When the sun shines bright on Totton
The stench is something rotten,
But itÕs better when the tide is coming in.

I knew a man Silvester comes from somewhere near Winchester
Had a row of 40 medals on his chest
He came all the way from Tokyo and with a ////// Banjo
And with //////// these skiffle types /////////

I was on my way to Fawley feeling somewhat poorly
Cadged a fag off someone who I dare not name
When I asked him for a light he sure gave me a fright
He said climb up and get one off the Fawley Flame.

Now I went to a party both Bohemian and arty
All the local bums and parasites were there
When some they had a nogginÕ
The rest were merely snogginÕ
TheyÕll be tipsy when they all come up for air.

The morals of this nation give us cause for consternation
//////////////// every day
They say keep the party clean, so donÕt go where sheÕs been
//////////////// next day.

With all this radiation there is bound to be mutation
And the sexual roles will have to be revised
And if a woman lingers with a beast with 15 fingers
She wonÕt be ///////////////
SheÕll just be televised.

*************************

Taken down - as well as possible! From a recording made by Ron Coe at Chichester College, Sussex in 1966.
Performed by Dave Williams, Vic Wilton and Pete Mills.
This track is available on the CD - YouÕre On Nipper: Dave Williams.
This being a compilation of Dave Williams performances made after his death by Forest Tracks Records, of which Dave was a founding member.
See: http://www.forest-tracks.co.uk/


Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 11 May 07 - 09:51 AM

Isn't it 'they say keep the party clean, 'cos you don't know where she's been'?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Peter green
Date: 16 May 07 - 09:52 AM

Still on the subject of Gutta Percha don't forget the song of The Woolston Ferry, now an historical document!
Also RTim mentioned Dave Williams and Vic Wilton who also played with Vince Hockey as Vic, Vince & John. Vince, I understand, now makes fine guitars. He owned the first Martin I ever touched!!!!!!!!!
Brian Hooper was playing there when I was a boy and I'm almost a hundred


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 16 May 07 - 04:07 PM

Paul Brier mentioned above, played with the "Phoenix Jug Band". I still have a copy of a fine demo tape I recorded for them. The Band also included Jackie Whitren.
I am gradually unearthing several recordings of the early SOuthampton Folk scene, they may be the basis of a nostalgia CD someday. The nightmare of contacting all concerned is fairly mind boggling but we all love Mudcat don't we.

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 16 May 07 - 04:23 PM

Inertmale
The rural pastimes you referred was ' Nurdling ' I can't remember what the objective was, as it was over 40 years ago, but I remember it involved ' dwile flunking ' and drinking cider. Somebody won and somebody lost, but they were both pissed,so it didn't matter


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 16 May 07 - 05:04 PM

After all this time - I can't remember which is which ie. John Murfitt or Pat McMillian. One of them would often turn up at The Fo'c's'le wearing dark glasses because he was a welder or something? and regularly got "Arc-eye". I thought it strange, because at that time I too was a welder, but seldom suffered that fate.
Now - am I right about that, or is it just time playing tricks with my memories? And which was which? One played Banjo and the other played Guitar.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 16 May 07 - 06:13 PM

ye'll be pleased te knaah that Vince Hockey is alive and well and still mendin' Martin Guitars but aalso building 'Hockey Guitars' and mekkin' a grand job of it.

Brian Hooper is retired from the mundane 9-5 and has just released a solo CD as well as a duo effort (with Jeff Henry - Both late of Cat's Whiskers')) of songs about Soothampton.

Hooper is the consumate 'GENTLEMAN' and many years ago writ a book caaled "So You Want To Be A Folk Club MC?"

He giv uz a copy (and signed it) when aah took ower from him as MC at The Fo'c'sle MANY years ago.

I eventually passed it on te someone who was takin' ower as MC at Chichester - and aah signed it.

The last aah heard it had been passed on with SEVENTEEN signatures in it!

Not bad for a freebie eh?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 16 May 07 - 06:47 PM

Weren't 'Nurdling' and 'Dwile Flonking' invented by Michael Bentine? I saw his stage show at the Bournemouth Pavilion in the very early 60s (late 50s?) and one of the sketches featured those 'rural pastimes.'


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Growler
Date: 17 May 07 - 10:22 AM

If Ibremember rightly The Haywain used to hold Nurdling championships


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 17 May 07 - 05:05 PM

"Drat me! - He's Nurdled!!"


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 17 May 07 - 05:11 PM

Bugger me, so is I


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: dj bass
Date: 18 May 07 - 07:21 AM

Miskin Man mentioned Jaki Whitren. I had a fabulous album by JW released in the early 70s. Somewhere at home I think I still have a couple of tracks on casette. I used to sing one of her songs - A Little Bit Extra Please...

So I just bought that album again after all these years on Amazon. Thanks MM for the reminder.

Any idea what Jaki is doing now? Her myspace doesn't seemto show any gigs, although she does seem to be doing something.

dj


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 07 - 05:46 AM

Miskin Man, I didn't know that Jackie Whitren sang with a jug band - more info please?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Warwick Slade
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:53 AM

The best band in those days of yore was THE STINKIN' PRONG FULL.
Remember them?
might have something to do with Dave Williams & Geoff Gerram


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 07:25 PM

Hi All, I just wanted to revive this thread - so many memories, so many great people....

I will be in England next week - not much time to do folk things, but it would be great to see ALL my old friends again - after so many years, maybe another time - Yes, wouldn't be great to get together again?

Best to all - Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 08:56 AM

Well done Tim. What a great thread for us old nostalgics.

Did anyone ever start a book? I know I haven't sorted out all my old tapes yet so I mustn't complain.

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 09:20 AM

Andy - If you have sorted out your old tapes! - Any sign of the Sounds of the South prog. on Songs collected by George Gardiner for Radio Solent that we did way back in 197??? ?

Tim (I am going to keep on about this!)


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 03:27 PM

I know it's on the Isle of Wight!!!! In a big store in Ventnor. The day is getting closer, honest.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 04:18 PM

It's great to have this thread back, this club inspired me when I was in my teens. I now have run my own folk clubs, for the last ten years. had it not been for 'The Fo'c's'le in the sixties, many people would have been spared my voice, over the last40 years.
Paul Briar, if your out there, please PM me


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 11:01 PM

Tim Radford.............
If you are going to visit your family in the Totton/Marchwood areas please throw a stone into the water at Eling Quay for me!
Also born/brung up in Totton.
Colyn Blundell.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 03:14 PM

I've just discovered this thread - wow does it bring back memories of Southampton area folk in the mid to late 60s.
Must have been to the Pear Tree, but don't remmber it at all, although all the other clubs mentioned are so familiar.

Miskin Man wrote -
"Blacksmiths Arms in Shirley every Monday,had the Funario Folk Club hosted usually by the "Funario Folk Three" memory says it comprised Brian (Crabbe) Neville-Lee, Robin Parker and another. Other notables included John Murfitt & Pat McMillan, John Heslop etc."

I was in a "Funario Folk Three", together with John Murfitt, and originally Colm McLaverty, later Brian Jones.

Does anyone know where John is now?

Regards,
Hamish West


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Crabbe
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 05:03 AM

Good to see that Hamish is still going! Just to put things straight, Robin Parker, John Heslop and I sang under the name of "Omen". When John went on to greener pastures, Robin and I became "Volume II". Happy Days!
All the Best
Crabbe (Bryan Neville-Lee)


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Alan Rutter
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 11:18 AM

Is that the same Hamish that later ran the club in the Anchor at the bottom of East Street ? if it is -- we didnt half have some good nights there.
I only discovered Mudcat a few weeks ago too and it certainly brought back old memories. I used to live opposite the Haywain and used to pop over and do the odd spot once I got to know Dave Williams. The hall was always packed and full of atmosphere until the twerp who moved into the house at the far end of the shed put the boot in with his complaints.
Theres a big gap in Mudcat postings since talk of JPB or AJ writing a history - but maybe theres still hope yet and there are a few things somewhat mixed in Miskins memories.
The Cutty Wren started life at the Hythe Hotel then moved very up market to the Stewart Lodge in Frost Lane (hence the name of the first LP). It then moved when Don Stewart, the owner bought the Westcliffe Hall Hotel, which was then right on the edge of Southampton Water. Some of the best nights were had there with some very big name guests, but after a few years and very suddenly, we fell out with Don, who was always a bit of an odd character, so in the space of a week the club mpoved to the Station Hotel in Totton and finally to the Abbey Hotel in Romsey where it unfortunately died. The Westcliffe Hall was subsequently fell into a poor state of repair, suffered fire damage going through the hands of several developers and the last I heard (about 18 months ago) it was going to be renovated and become a top notch hotel once again. Who knows, with right approach - another club in the basement ?
Anyway, back to the Pear Tree - I remember lots of hot smokey nights in the early 70's upstairs in the Bay Tree where the singers were always excellent, usually superbly MC'd by JPB and the beer - Gales - was always spot on.
I'm glad the club has survived.
Regards to all
Alan Rutter


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 04:43 PM

Hi Alan
I spent a lot of time at The Haywain in Cadnam.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 04:46 PM

Sorry, hit the wrong key. Seem to remember getting out of my head Dwyle Flunking at the Haywain


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 01 Aug 10 - 07:20 PM

Hi All,

Alan Rutter is a name I remember very well, but sorry Alan - that is about all.
We are talking about nearly 40 years ago!! I am sure we must have know each other back in the day?
Do you have any other web presence, ie. Myspace or Facebook or whatever - are you still performing, if so - what?
Dave Williams is responsible for almost everything I do - even to this day. I loved the man.

Tim Radford
Woods Hole, USA.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Al Rutter
Date: 02 Aug 10 - 02:33 PM

I arrived from the North East in 1970 and after singing at both the Foclsle and Cutty Wren fairly regularly decided that the Cutty was more in need of culture (and a bit closer to where I lived) so by 1972 I was involved in its running and continued to do so until sometime in the 80's.
I do remember seeing you occasionally at the focsle, but not that often - I also knew a few members of Twynham Morris and I used to pop over to Twynham FC to do the odd floor spot. Alan White got me involved with Xchurch Festival and I was song director for a year or two with himself director of dance.
At one time a few of the residents of the Cutty formed a band, King Henry's Fyre (nasty disease we used to say) and gig'd locally. At the height of our fame we used to do theme gigs and the only one I can remember with any sort of clarity was "Transportation" performed at the Focsle when it was at the Joiners. From memory, the band consisted of Les & Pete Warland, Roger (Fylde) Bucknall, Allan Mornington-West, Barry Lockyer, Chris Buet & myself (appologies if I missed out anyone).
I also used to play bass with Squeeze & Wheeze during the 80's and must have deafened hundreds in the process.
I retired from singing about 15 years ago but discovering Mudcat recently and seeing some of the posts resulted in this blast of reminiscence.
I have to admit I also Dwyle Flunked, but couldnt say who else was in the circle - clarity having rapidly vanished.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 02 Aug 10 - 04:41 PM

Al To my memory, clarity vanished the following day


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Gadaffi
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 09:50 AM

Sorry to revive this thread - well, not really...

My next question is can anyone out there remember Roy 'Cobblers' Harrison and/or his songs? (I've already contacted Paul Marsh and Andy Jackson on this, but would welcome contributioons from anyone else).


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Pete Green
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:15 AM

Sorry Gadaffi the name does not ring any bells from the early '60 period. However, It was good to see Alan Rutter pick up the thread. I mentioned his name back in 2007 when this thread started. We used to do alternative weeks at the Cutty Wren as compare. I had the old Martin in those days and was like a dog with two tails. I wonder what happened to the old regulars who were on the Frost Lane album., Mo, the Mitchells and I wonder if Roger Carman still has my banjo! Someone should arrange a reunion from those old days but I guess everyone has moved on to greater things.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:49 PM

Hi Al
I went to school with Chris Bluit, he saved me from a nasty beating from a load of squadies in 1966 in Mansbridge. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GRex
Date: 25 Sep 10 - 03:39 AM

I remember Roy well from the eighties, when the Cutty Wren Folk Club was in Totton. His comic songs were great especially 'Loose Heel', a parody of 'Lucille'. Unfortunately he didn't live long after his beloved wife died.

                GRex


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Annie Christopher Sara of Sinnermen and Sara
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 02:06 AM

Hi
Just found your site and was interested to see the name reversal putting Sara first.

I remember singing at this club.

When the band split, I went on to form my own band called Sugar N Spice and later worked with a 60's show touring across the south of England. Also joining and helping run the Wessex branch of Equity. Later trained as a teacher of music and worked at an all boys school until I retired this year....... still singing, and teaching adult education learn to sing classes.

Were any of you at our reunion in aid of the Winter Gardens in 1992?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald (not signed in)
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 06:50 AM

Annie, I assume you were the second Sara, as one of our stalwarts at Wimborne Folk Club, Ruth, told me that she was the original one.

More pertinant to the thread, I was delighted to meet Andy Rusbridge a couple of weeks ago at Wessex Acoustic. He was there as part of a trio from Bristol called Thornbridge who were the support act to Bob Fox. Andy used to run the Southampton University Folk Club c1965 and was a frequent performer at other clubs in the area. He was compering at the Black Seagull in Hythe when I made my solo debut.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Annie Christopher
Date: 16 Nov 10 - 12:59 PM

Yes I was the mini-version who recorded with MGM and RCA. Appearing on My Kind of Folk, Country Meets Folk etc.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 12:31 PM

Thanks Annie - I hate mysteries!


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 08:13 PM

Pete Green....Sorry to say that Rog Carmen took his final curtain call several years ago as did Rick Keeling. Mo Thomas is still around and singing I believe. Annie Mitchell went into a singing career I believe but I've not seen her, or Steve, for many years. A Incidentally a copy of Frost Lane sold on Ebay a few months ago for more than £70.
Having returned to the South after twenty odd years away it is fascinating to find how many of us are indeed still around. Sadly John Mann is not at all well and is in residential care at the moment.
A reunion would be wonderful, can anyone think of an excuse? More importantly who wants to organise it?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: RTim
Date: 17 Nov 10 - 11:08 PM

Hey Andy,

I am doing a concert - Next Year (Nov), with Geoff Jerram (and The Askew Sisters) in Emery Down. Maybe a few of us could get together around the same time?

Tim Radford
(now - Massachusetts, USA!)


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Peter Green
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 04:27 AM

Sorry to hear Rog and Rick have shuffled off to that big folk club in the sky but, as you say Miskin, so many still here and singing.
Interesting to see Tim is doing a concert in Emery Down (village hall ?) as I made my first appearance there in 1953 singing 'Soldiers of the Queen.' It's been downhill ever since


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 06:21 PM

Good starting point Tim. With a year to go perhaps we could get the ball rolling.

Andy


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Bow
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 11:36 AM

Have had a great time going down memory lane, or in my case Frost Lane reading these threads. I was one of the orginal founders of the Cutty Wren, born out of the fact in the main, it was such pain not to say a dispointment to have to drag one self away from a good session at the Focsle (then at the Bay Tree) to either catch the last bus or the Hythe ferry back to the waterside.
Hence my old singing partner Ally ( I understand he is still in the folk scene in the south) and our friend Dave Britain ( last heard of living in Scotland)started the Cutty Wren.
It's has been nice to read how much the old club had such an effect on so many.

Bow


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 04:42 PM

As a late starter, I have the upmost respect, for everyone involved in that club. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,banjo dave
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 03:38 PM

Hamish West wanted to know about John Murfitt unfortunately John died a few years ago such a tragic waste.
Also the club in Chandlers Ford was called The Jug of Punch it was the first Folk Club i went to those were good times.
And lastly is Miskin Man the one and only Andy Jackson who now lives on the Isle of Wight


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,banjo dave
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 04:08 PM

To Scrump, The person who ran the basingstoke Folk Club was derek Burton and he did have eye problems, and J.P.B. was right the duo was The Dixie Ramblers and I was the tall Skinny ( not now though ) banjo player I still see Derek but not to play with, and the bass player was Andy Feist who now lives in Dorset.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 02:35 AM

Yes, Miskin Man is Andy Jackson.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: scouse
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 05:38 AM

I knew another Guy down there into the Music, think his name was Kevin Cooke, used to play great Blues Guitar.He got himself into Hard drugs but went and Cold Turkeyied himself at some sort of Hospital out by Waterloo (Down the coast a bit.)He asked me if he could borrow my big Hofner 12 string Jumbo.. I gave it to him... A month or two later I saw him, He'd beaten the "Dragon@.. An he handed me back me Guitar. Such memories.

As Aye,

Phil.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,banjo dave
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 07:47 AM

I remember Roy Harrison very one of my favourite songs of his was ¬A Three Legged Friend` I have a tape of him singing a few of his songs somewhere must try and dig it out


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Richard H
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 10:54 AM

Just found this.
The memories I have of the Anvil were Robin Parker having his name in Goblin language on his fretboard, Brian leaving to go to London and receiving a book on Dali, and Radio Solent coming along to record us one night.
There were also clubs briefly at the Centre Hotel, Southampton and at the Ordnance Survey's U25 Club.
The OS also had Mike Seeger in their Restaurant. Ted Duckett played that evening.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Guest john l. hythe resident.
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 04:34 PM

hello all.would like to know more about the cutty wren club in the 1970s also is the album Frost lane.available anywhere.the drummond is now in flats.best wishes to all. john L.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: scouse
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 06:08 AM

"Ordnance Survey's U25 Club". Thanks for that!! I sang a couple of numbers myself there way back when... Pretty sure one of them was a Paul Simon number..
Yeah, that's such a pity and a great loss when John Murphitt died, I owed a lot to the man.Go Gentle,Rest well John.
There was another F'club down there by the Docks??? Met Roy Baily and his lovely wife Val there.

As Aye,

Phil


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Bob Pearce
Date: 19 Apr 15 - 06:10 AM

Hi all, just stumbled across this site and found myself reliving some of my past!!! On the main enquiry - Pear Tree Inn, never played there but did at the Bay Tree, Cutty Wren, Anvil etc. O.K. then... Paul Bryer - left my band to join a London outfit and although he wasn't with them for long, London was the last place I saw him, that was nearly twenty years ago. The Phoenix Jug band was led by Rick Stokes, now resident in Ventnor, I.O.W. although I don't remember Jaki Whitren singing for them? Jaki married local bass player John 'Mags' Cartwright and now lives in France. As far as I know she still records but no 'live' shows. Kevin 'Maryland' Cooke has passed as you're probably aware. For anyone interested, I have an album I made of Rog Carmen - only two cut - one each for him and me!! Nice to see 'Crabbe's' name again, it was through his encouragement that I continued with my musical career.... yes, blame him!!! Love and blessings to all, great memories - thankyou.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: growler
Date: 19 Apr 15 - 02:19 PM

It was the Bay Tree inn that I named incorrectly. A shiver whent down my spine when you mentioned Paul Brier, he was my best friend at school


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Warwick Slade
Date: 20 Apr 15 - 02:21 PM

O.M.G. A blast from the past as I remember Mags Cartwright coming into my music shop, Minns Music, and jamming with others including Steve Webb who played and sang to my 3year old daughter. Happy days. I think they played with Iguana and with Jes Roden band.
And ,ofcourse, I remember the Bob Pearce Blues Band
All this started at the Balladeer with the late John Edgar Mann and spawned all the Southampton clubs ever since.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST,Guest,Ron vardy
Date: 28 Dec 16 - 06:33 AM

Have just spent nostalgic half hour reading this thread. Many many names reminding me of the lively folk scene in and around Southampton in the late sixties onward - I was just mainly in the audiences but had many good friends as performers - many wonderful evenings with John Murfitt and Pat McMillan (not forgetting Dudley Savage and 'Mac' McGuigan known as "The little People". Does anyone have any recordings of them?


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 02:15 PM

I remember that song. I forget where I saw it performed, and had also forgotten the name of the singer-songwriter, but there was another one he used to do that began: 'Politics, sex and religion make life rather complex, Religion and politics are simple compared to the problems of sex'. Another bit of it I recall was: 'The Victorians seemed rather prudish, they covered the legs of their chairs, But to judge from the size of their families they knew what to do when upstairs'

I googled for this song, but couldn't find it.


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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Nov 17 - 12:20 PM

I have just read through this thread for the first time, so I think I can add another chapter. I was on the committee of the Fo'c'sle for the last five years, with Brian Hooper as chair/MC, Dusty Withers as the second MC and Stroph Rayner as the treasurer. Due to other commitments, illnesses and other factors, the club officially closed at the Richmond in July 2017. However, all is not lost: two of the members, Paul Clarke and Jon Ellis, run 'Focsle Music' (no apostrophes this time!) which meets roughly every other Wednesday. Nominally, I am still on the committee but because of work I can never attend the Wednesday meetings.


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