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Subject: HTML From: Banjer Date: 24 Mar 99 - 05:27 AM I went back and read through a thread started in April 98 titled HTML Stuff... I have read several entries on different threads that were done in HTML and feel that in certain cases it enhances the message. I am trying to learn as much about it as I can as I intend soon to create a webpage for our Civil War reenacting unit. What one source would be best to further explore this function? Are there specific books that anyone has used? THANKS Did that work? |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Banjer Date: 24 Mar 99 - 05:31 AM You just witnessed my FIRST EVER attempt at (Also second and third!) Amazing what can be learned on the MUDCAT...I'm so tickled I'm gonna go order my Tee-shirt to help support the Cat.... |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: AndyG Date: 24 Mar 99 - 06:04 AM Hi Banjer, I started learning HTML here, Online HTML Documentation, There are many such sites. I'd also advise looking at a decent HTML editor, such as Homesite (an example, not a recommendation, therefore no link). Shop around, find shareware distributions and try them out, find one that you're happy with, which suits your style. Always remember View Source from your browser. You can use other peoples HTML because they've already given it to you.
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Ted from Australia Date: 08 Feb 00 - 08:09 AM If you use word 97 or above format everything as you want it in word, SAVE: as HTML, VIEW: html source, COPY: to clipboard then PASTE: into message box (here)
Then you do not have to learn any but the most basic HTML codes such as line breaks and blue clickies regards Ted |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Amos Date: 08 Feb 00 - 08:50 AM And if you're using Netscape you can do exactly the same thing with "New Blank Page", laying the whole thing out and then copying from the View Source display and pasting to your post. A |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 08 Feb 00 - 09:48 AM I learned the hard way that it's really better to learn some basic HTML as opposed to using a fancy editor. I used Microsoft Publisher to create a lot of song pages, and then realized later that it used gifs and bmps to create a simple list of songs. What this means is that it was entirely too cumbersome to add a new song to the list. I've since gone back and rewritten the pages in basic HTML. Another thing--I have Microsoft Internet Explorer on two computers...AND....there is a little program called Front Page Express that came bundled with Explorer. This is a nice quickie editor for doing simple pages. There is a nice link in the HTML practice thread here that links to a table of special characters. I have several links to HTML tutorials, but none are very good. If anyone is interested in tables or frames I found some tutorials for them. Mary |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 08 Feb 00 - 10:51 AM One of the resources I use for learning HTML tags is by a fellow named Ian Graham. I can't recall the title of it, but look for an HTML resource book, about 2 inches thick, with that fellow's name. It gives a lot of examples, including many pictures showing what it would look like in different browsers. The list of HTML tags is quite extensive. Once you learn that, you can get fancy, ie tables. Mary, where is your lyric site? |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Wincing Devil Date: 08 Feb 00 - 12:11 PM The problem with using Word or FrontPage is that they add a lot of extra baggage that you don't need. Do a View Source on this page and look at what is added such as <HTML>, <TITLE> and <BODY>, which could confuse some older browsers. I feel one should learn to drive a stick first, because then driving an automatic is a breeze. Wincing_Devil |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Wincing Devil Date: 08 Feb 00 - 12:38 PM The following is a test of my new Mudcat Sigblock: Wincing_Devil |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: katlaughing Date: 24 Feb 00 - 05:55 PM Would somebody please tell me how to get a font changed in a webpage I am building? Do I have to download a font file or something? Thanks! kat |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MK Date: 24 Feb 00 - 07:48 PM ...or save your energy and just pick up a copy of Microsoft Front Page --as easy as using a word processor... |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Snuffy Date: 24 Feb 00 - 07:55 PM Kat A fancy font will only work if the person viewing the page has that font installed. Otherwise the browser will subsitute boring old Times Roman, Arial etc. You could save your fancy lettering as graphics, but that means the page will take longer to download. It's a trade-off between looking real cool, and having quick-loading pages. Play about with it and find what suits you best. Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Feb 00 - 08:33 PM When you're posting things here in the Forum, don't get too fancy with your HTML. Wincing Devil, graphics and other stuff from another source are a big no-no - they slow down the loading of threads too much, and we're slow enough as it is. It's best to use just line breaks <br> and blue clicky links, and bold and italic type an dthe simple stuff like that. Other stuff, with moderation, and only when you know what you're doing. If you want to practice, do it in an HTML practice thread. If the practice threads are getting up to a hundred messages, start a new one. I delete practice thread messages after a while to tidy things up. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: katlaughing Date: 24 Feb 00 - 09:24 PM Thanks, MichaelK. and Snuffy. I will play around with it some more and maybe look into Front Page. I am building one of them at an escrow site, where they handle the credit card stuff etc., so I am using part of the templates they provide and adding my own html stuff, too, so I'll see how that goes first. kat |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MK Date: 24 Feb 00 - 11:56 PM Kat, Do check out Front Page. I like it...but I will confess, that prior to the advent of Front Page, and wanting to do up a website for my company a few years back (and not willing to pay a web design company thousands of dollars to do it for me) I took it upon myself to learn basic HTML and a few tricks along the way... The first commercial version of Front Page was pretty buggy, but fortunately with my existing knowledge of HTML I was able to go in and edit code where need be. (For a while I got so nerdy about HTML code, that when I would surf websites, I found reading the source code to the pages far more interesting than viewing the pages the way they were meant to be seen. That's when I realized it was time to spend more time with the guitar and less in front of a computer.) 8-) Microsoft for the most part got it right with Front Page 98, and the vast majority of the time, I just sit back and let it do its thing, and use it just like a word pro. It's a very user friendly web design program - one of the few Microsoft programs I actually like. The only editing of code these days within that program that I add are just sections where I want to use Java script ehancements. Microsoft doesn't offer much automated support for Java as they'd like to think that Active X is where it's at...but it's already dying a fairly rapid death. Java is an interesting beast, and I tend to use automated Java scripting programs also called ''Bots'' to do most of the grunt work, and then insert the java scripts where needed into the web pages. If you're going to do any serious web page creating, I'd recommend a stand alone web design program, especially if you don't have the time or the discipline to learn HTML and its always evolving variants. Also, it's always a good idea to view all pages you create through both Netscape and Internet Explorer browsers, as they both handle HTML a little differently, and, as well, view the pages at different screen resolutions, as in what they'd look like viewed through 15'', 17'', 19'' and 21'' monitors. 17'' is practically the current de facto standard these days for monitors, but with the prices dropping rapidly on 19'' ones, that could change... My 0.02 anyway. |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: katlaughing Date: 25 Feb 00 - 12:56 AM Thanks! I am digesting all of the above, Michael. I actually have even impressed the guy at my ISP with one of the sites I've done with what little I do know of html. I find it fascinating and fairly easy to do what I want, once I know the correct code command. I did confess to my ISP guy, though that to start out I viewed source, copied and apsted, then went in and changed colours, fonts, content, etc. so it it totally different from the original. I was bale to figure out pretty easily where to insert my data. I know there is a lot more to it than that, though and have some good html sites bookmarked, plus a few charts printed out to refer to. Thanks, again, kat |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: JedMarum Date: 20 Mar 00 - 11:34 AM I have a few questions about becoming a real banjo player ....(practice stuff deleted by Joe O, but of course it's OK for Jed to practice here in an HTML thread) |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Amos Date: 20 Mar 00 - 11:47 AM Jed In light of the fact that this thread started as an thread on the vagaries of HTML you might get more answers taking your questions and pasting them into a new thread entitled Banjo Questions so people will read it who have the answers you need. Warm regards,
Amos |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 20 Mar 00 - 11:53 AM kat--I had a similar question about fonts. I know how to specify in the code which font to use (actually you should put three choices in the tag), but I never know which ones to use! I wonder if there is a site which lists the most common fonts that most people are likely to have on their computers AND gives an example of each of those. I just learned last week how to go to My Computer/ Control Panel/ Fonts to see what fonts are on my computer (and what they look like). So far, I just go to a page I like and copy what they did. Mary |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: JedMarum Date: 20 Mar 00 - 12:01 PM OOOPS! Sorry (red faced) I didn't even look at this thread, just presumed it was the HTML pratcice thread. I was just chcking my HTML beofre I posted to the real thread. Sorry ya'll! Thanks, Amos. |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MudGuard Date: 21 Mar 00 - 03:19 AM Jed, no reason to be redfaced. As this thread is called "HTML" it is okay to practice here. |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: katlaughing Date: 21 Mar 00 - 06:38 AM Mary, sorry I didn't see your message until now. I haven't found anywhere like that for fonts, but I did find a nice "Reference HTML Cheatsheet" for print out and quick checks on code. You can access it here. I think someone may have posted the main website for it, here, and that's how I found it. Anyway, it's been a big help. For anyone interested in having their own store site, w/out the hassle of too much html and/or a merchant acct., check out the LookSmart Shops at www.looksmart.com. They have easy to use formats, which you can totally customise and add in your own html. I've been working on one there, for my jewelry, which will allow me to accept credit cards etc. through iEscrow, plus you automatically get listed in their Shops index. Thanks, kat |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 21 Mar 00 - 06:44 AM Thanks kat, I had been to Web Monkey before but never checked out the fonts. I have to write a birthday page today for my 82 year old uncle, so this should come in handy. I like to use the JavaBoutique for silly stuff for my uncle. Mary |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Bill D Date: 21 Mar 00 - 01:52 PM Fonts are a can of worms for now...I have about 300-400, but a lot of them came with WIN98, and MAC users don't always get the same ones....if all you want to is print neat stuff, fonts are easy, but to send online, or put on a WEB page, you have to be careful, usless you do them as graphics. It is easy to do Arial, or Times New Roman, because those ARE standard, but the really neat ones like Theoderic..etc., you just don't know if everyone will 'see' it. I suppose there is technology a-brewing that will allow sending fonts like we do ASCII now. Who knew that we'd beable to scan in books a few years ago? |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Bill D Date: 21 Mar 00 - 06:43 PM I oughta start a new thread maybe, but this is where it's being discussed for the moment...I found the FAQ for the alt.binaries.fonts newsgroup...http://www.jgoffin.freeserve.co.uk/abf/faq.htm and it has an amazing # of links and helpful stuff about fonts in general... |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Bill D Date: 21 Mar 00 - 07:06 PM Incidently, if you NEED a bunch of fairly standard, but nice fonts, there are 250+ available right now on the alt.binaries.fonts newsgroup...(what? you don't USE or understand newsgroups,,,*sigh*...well, it is an important part of the internet, and really valuble) |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 22 Mar 00 - 08:34 PM so let's see what thistheoderic is all about --- |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 22 Mar 00 - 08:36 PM well let's see if it's case sensitive |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MudGuard Date: 23 Mar 00 - 02:11 AM Thosp, there are two places where html is case sensitive.
I guess the problem is that you don't have the font theoderic installed. HTH MudGuard |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Mar 00 - 02:29 AM The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MudGuard Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:29 AM Joe, isn't it the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog? Otherwise the s is missing ;-) MudGuard |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:25 PM No wonder I flunked typing, MudGuard.... All these years, I thought the verb in that sentence was past tense. I just looked in my Win 98 "fonts" folder, and Bill Gates says you're right. -Joe Offer, humbled once again- |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Bert Date: 24 Mar 00 - 02:47 PM filé gumbo |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MudGuard Date: 25 Mar 00 - 04:45 AM Bert, although most browsers accept é you should put a ; to the end of it (as HTML standard and some browsers require it). Like é HTH, MudGuard
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Subject: RE: HTML From: GUEST,.....refresh Date: 26 Mar 00 - 09:15 PM refresh |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 27 Mar 00 - 12:28 AM filé: blah balh |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: Tiger Date: 24 May 00 - 01:39 PM Kitty -- Joan Baez & Bill Wood CHORUSMy Kitty sailed away from me, To strange and distant lands, And when I asked a good-bye kiss, She said: "Oh, no, shake hands." CHORUSWhen Kitty left, she said she'd write. He promised her the same, But his address, somehow, got lost, And she forgot his name. CHORUSBOTH HUM (1 STANZA) CHORUS
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 24 May 00 - 03:40 PM peace (Y) thosp |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MK Date: 24 May 00 - 03:56 PM Thosp, Your "signature" always appears as bar code to me. (I must --and perhaps others-- not have the font installed that you use for this. Think "times new roman", "arial" or "helvicta" to make it more generic for the rest of us. Thanks. (too many fonts on one's system, eats resources and makes the computer take too long to boot.) |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 24 May 00 - 04:06 PM peace (Y) thosppeace (Y) thosp peace (Y) thosp the last being comic sans ms ---- which i think is common on most computers |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 24 May 00 - 04:10 PM peace (Y) thosp |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 24 May 00 - 07:17 PM peace (Y) thosp |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MudGuard Date: 25 May 00 - 02:27 AM If you need to use the font tag for changing fonts you should never give only one font name in the font argument. Always give a few (comma separated, and the whole string of font names enclosed in " as in <font face="fantasy,Times New Roman,Courier New" ...>), ending with one of the most common like Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New. The browser will use the first font in the list which is installed so for those machines which have the font you want it makes no difference if there are a few more font names MudGuard |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: thosp Date: 25 May 00 - 02:42 AM thanks MudGuard! peace (Y) thosp |
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Subject: RE: HTML From: MudGuard Date: 25 May 00 - 02:57 AM You're welcome (and I see you already implemented the font list;-) MudGuard |
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