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Jean(eanjay) 08 Mar 07 - 04:02 PM
Bobert 08 Mar 07 - 05:29 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:02 PM

I'm not keen on this argument that people use about the cost to the NHS of say smokers for example. I'm sure that most of us do something that could eventually cost the NHS money, such as over-eating, drinking, dangerous hobbies, careless driving, drugs, getting into fights, over-working, rushing about etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:29 PM

Good point, Saul... It takes 16 pounds of vegetable proteins to make one pound of animal protein... This one issue alone could go a long way toward bringin' the planet back into some balance...

Okay, like eanjay said, Greens ain't perfect and I ain't perfect but I've not eaten red meat or pork since the 60's... Lotta fish, however... And some chicken which isn't at the 16-1 ratio but a lot less...

And yeah, I like my four bangers fir fuel economy... I have begun lookin' into wind power since movin' to Page County, Va. 'cause it seems that there is always at least a breeze here on the side of the mountain and I've reasd that it really doesn't take much wind to make electricity... I will most likely be my next project next time I have some extra $$$'s...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:36 PM

What's the thread "title", Dickey??


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Dickey
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:27 PM

Here's a link

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=99097#1972115


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:34 PM

Links don't work... Name the thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Dickey
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 12:09 AM

BS: U.S. seeks to de-stabilize Iran


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 08:39 AM

What the Hell???

Now yer over there using the poor ol' Iran thread to argue about poverty in the US???

You are incredulous, Dickey... I told you that I'm not into thread bustin' because it very much violates the spirit of this forum so...

...for the, what??? Tenth time??? I'm asking you to start yer own thread on your ideas about poverty in the US an' I'll be more than happy to participate but to participate in more anti-Mudcat bahavior ain't me...

What is it that you don't get here, pal??? PM Joe Offer and maybe he can explain it better...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 12:09 PM

Bobert, don't argue with Dickey at all or argue coherently.

It was you who had posted The US leads all *developed nations" in per capita poverty, infant mortality, incarceration rates and capital punishment... in your first post in the "U.S. seeks to de-stabilize Iran" thread.

Now you write Now yer over there using the poor ol' Iran thread to argue about poverty in the US???

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 05:33 PM

Well, Wolf, if you look at just about any thread that has ****ever*** gone past 5 posts, other than ones related to medical problems, you'll find lots of folks, including yerself, who will interject somehting that isn't 100000% on topic... Thats the nature of threads.... Agreed???

Well, okay, so I did the same but it wasn't like the intent was to redirect the topic any more than when anyone, yourself included, by just out of the blue posting something that in no way pretains to the discussion at hand...

If you want to quote me do it in the context of the entire post... Don't cherry pick and then promote yerself to this smug little throne like Dickey has done... Quote the entire post and let other judge if what I said in that post warrents y6ou or Dickey thinking that I had gravely changed the nature of the thread...

But you won't do that because it doesn't fit yer neat little world where it's opkay to highjack threads as long as yer takin' a poke at me...

Normal for you...

Normal for Dickey...

Glad there ain't more folks like you and Dickey out there with yer snipers rifles willing to completely highjack otheer folks threads with yer own agendas...

All I have asked from the very beginning (in this now completely highjacked thread by Dickey and now you) was if Dickey felt so utterly defensive about a small part of a larger post then he should have stared a new thread rather than disrespect the author of this one...

Courtesy, my friend, courtsey...

Have a nice day...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Dickey
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 05:35 PM

Bobert:

over there using the poor ol' Iran thread is where you brought up the "fact" that

"The US leads all *developed nations" in per capita poverty, infant mortality, incarceration rates and capital punishment"

So who hijacked that one?

Who refuses to answer any questions about something they brought up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 06:50 PM

Yeah, keep cherry pickin', Pricky...

You are a jerk of the highest order... Quote the entire post, jerko, or shut the heck up...

You are nuthin' but a troll who has no interest in discussing issues ot you woul;d have started another thread, yet in yer jerko little mind you think it's okay to take very small part of another's post and blow it way outtta portportion like it was some picture of Kennedy being shot when, in reality, it was a small part of an overall post...

Now that you have completely trashed this thread, which BTW, wasn't a thread that you authored, just to play "ah hah, gotcha", amyeb in yer li8ttle jerko world this makes you all bold and bulky...

To me and probably 99% of the folks here, if they are even botherin' coming around to a thread that you have highjacked, you are nuthin' more than a petty little jerk...

... and so, have at it, jerko... I'm leaving yer this trashed thread for you and Wolfy to tarsh even more...

Maybe when the two of you are done you can have a couple cold ones together at the Creepo Cafe and smugly replay how big and brave you two were...

...but to me, Dickey, you have destroyed the last shread of evidence that you have anything to say that is worth the bandwidth...

Bye...

Oh, an' maybe you'd like to explain to yer new found friend, Wolfgang, seein' as he is enammed by you how you have posted using my handle (Bobert) on this forum...

Like I said, you are a jerk of the highest order...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Naemanson
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 06:50 PM

In answer to the title question, yes I drive a car. I drive a 25 year old diesel sedan (a recycled car) and burn used vegetable oil (not just recycling but it burns cleaner than hydrocarbons) for fuel. My contribution to pollution is my motor oil for which which I pay for proper disposal.

My fuel is almost free so very little of my money goes to promote the interests of the oil companies and the robber barons who rule America. I live on the island of Guam, a U.S. territory so all my Federal Taxes go into the coffers of the territorial government, not to the Federal Government.

I have removed myself from the wicked, polluting, and profit seeking mentality of the USA. Of course the territorial government is inept, inefficient, bureaucratic, and useless but that is another story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 07:31 PM

Good on you, Naemanson... Yeah, it is possible to get a deisel to run on used cookin' oils... I had a Volkswagen deisel pickup truck about 15 years ago and was on the verhe of taking the plunge in gettin' it to run on used cookin' oils when I got rear-ended by some guy in a big new SUV and it killed the poor ol' VeeDub...

BTW, their are folks burnin' motor oil fir heat... No reason to put it back in the ground...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Dickey
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 12:44 AM

Bobert, instead of getting so defensive and hostile, just answer in the thread where you posted your "facts" sir.

To save space I only quoted the part of your post that I need clarified.

I see you are still quoting stats.

I don't know Wolfie but maybe he is part of the 1%.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: semi-submersible
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 02:48 AM

I drive where necessary, and miss some events when I can't justify them to myself and better half. (We aren't Green Party members but have voted that way on occasion.)

Where houses and businesses are close enough to walk or bike, cars are rarely needed (though often used). But many areas in North America, especially in rural areas, spread "neighbourhoods" over great distances. It may be miles from most residents' homes to even the simplest errands or meetings. In my family we have to drive at least half an hour to get any groceries we don't grow at home. (There is a small marina/general store three kilometres away, but I just can't afford to pay their markup regularly.) There are limits to how many rides (and stops at the grocery if you don't mind?) you can arrange with someone before you become a nuisance.

Low density sprawl forces use of cars. Zoning regulations often require a minimum distance between dwellings, and lot size per dwelling. Some analysts suggest such regulations may be based on unexamined assumptions such as: we've left the city, therefore this is country, and in the country land is laid out in squares or patches like our grandparents' (40 acre) farms, even if our lots here are smaller.

A more thoughtful approach to planning, more village-like, is currently being explored under names like cluster density or eco-density. Meanwhile most of the population is stuck trying to strike a balance between such choices as we feel we can afford. In our neck of the woods, buses are a dream and horses not an option. (All trees here, no grass, and deer are too nervous to use for transportation.)

By the way, robomatic, you can actually move a boat on tide power alone, provided you have enough line to anchor whenever it stops moving you in the right direction, but manpower and provisions tend to eat up all energy savings so it's just done in emergencies. Winds are undependable in my region, so we're stuck with motors or oars for almost all errands; and then except where a water route is shortest, once again land travel seems the most efficient. Few stores today provide water access since the roads came in.

My family has cut back on driving and is using smaller vehicles than a few years ago, but is still in the planning stage of our first electric vehicle conversion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:30 AM

Oh, an' maybe you'd like to explain to yer new found friend, Wolfgang, seein' as he is enammed by you how you have posted using my handle (Bobert) on this forum... (Bobert)

Leave me out of that, Bobert, I've nothing to do with Dickey. Don't fall prey to the muddleheaded thinking that when I criticise an argument by you (or someone else) I must necessarily agree with the person to whom your (the) argument had been addressed to.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Does the Green Party drive cars ?
From: Dickey
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:41 PM

Still waiting on an answer from Bobert in the Iran thread.

Instead of an answer, all I get is hostility and name calling.


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