Show of Hands (Recipes)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:08 PM

I think Ruth Archer's nan is probably correct and it is to draw out the bitterness. I am surprised she came from Sicily, (where they know a lot about aubergines) I imagined she was from somewhere near Blaydon.

Can 'catters help? Is the way one eats Yorkshire Pudding a regional thing or is it a class thing?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:44 PM

I don't like aubergines very much so can you use something else? Like a Route vegetable?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:43 PM

that's right, CG. They absorb the salt and then release a lot of juice, like mushrooms do when you sweat them.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:40 PM

It is amazing how much oil they will soak up, isn't it? When making a moussaka (sorry George, my reciple is probably horribly unauthentic!) I like to fry the slices of aubergine in olive oil first, and they'll soak up gallons until a certain point when they spit it all out again and go soft. I have to keep reminding myself to keep the faith and wait for them to spit out the oil. I've heard that salting them means that they don't start off quite so absorbent. Could be useful for dealing with shipwrecks, though...

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:05 PM

Now my nan, who was Sicilian, salted her aubergines. I't not actually to keep them from going brown, G - it "draws out" some of the bitterness from them apparently, but also actually starts "cooking" them - they go kind of soft, and it gives them a much nicer texture when they actually are cooked, methinks.

My nan was a great cook. Her eggplant (aubergne) parmegiana was the food of the gods...

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM

It's to stop them going brown, you don't need to do it if you're going to deal with them straight away I believe
G

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:44 PM

George, I'm interested to see that you don't do that faffing around with salt on your aubergines.
I was always taught to do that, until one day I thought "Why?" and stopped salting them before cooking, and noticed no adverse effect on the taste and realised that it made cooking with them a darned sight easier. It does seem to be an English affectation, this salting malarkey.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:19 PM

'Woodsie' inquired much earlier in the thread why some of us were 'hostile' to LC.
Da management has decided to truncate my reply, which they viewed as a 'personal attack'.
Readers might like to review LC's posts and count up the many that she is attacking personally.
Then feel free to PM me offlist should they need any further elucidation of the damaging activities of this troll.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:59 PM

>>>>Only one Lizzie?<<<<

Most definitely. 100%. Absolutely. :0)



Hey MacKenzie..if you did that to my eyes...you'd see my contact lenses! ;0) Now shush...else I'll put my glasses on and scare the Beejayzus out of you.....and it'll put you off your meal too....although you only have a small selection of Acid Drops as I recall...

See...we're all going back to our 'Roots' here...discovering ancient local recipes for Yorkshire Puddin' and Moose Tarts

Who'd have thought it eh?

And Viking....I came across you in York I think recently, at your Viking Festival...you were the one who refused to come out and show the kids how to fight, as it was raining...and you didn't want to slip over in your leather shoes....

Hah! Call yourself a Viking!

Here...make a few Toasted Stinging Nettles and try to be a Real Man!

Viking Recipes

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:45 PM

I looked deep in her eyes, and all I could see was the back of her head?
G.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Viking
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:37 PM

but you know what happens when my contact lenses are out...my ears take over!

Hmmm.. that transition should be easily accomplished; not that long a distance to travel, and nothing but air to traverse ;-)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:35 PM

We need a Yorkshire Pudding Course

Ingredients
vegetable oil
290ml/½ pint milk
4 eggs, beaten
255g/9oz plain flour, sifted
salt and freshly ground black pepper

Method
1. Preheat the oven to 220C/425F/Gas 7.
2. Grease a Yorkshire pudding tin with a little vegetable oil. Place the tin in the oven to preheat.
3. Place the milk, eggs and seasoning in a bowl. Stir well to combine.
4. Whisk in the flour.
5. Remove the tin from the oven. Pour in the batter, filling each case only three quarters full.
6. Place the tin in the oven and bake for 10 minutes, or until puffy and raised.
7. Remove the puddings from the oven and serve.

Suitable for vegetarians - traditionally the fat would be lard.

On my father's side of the family from Yorkshire - tyhey traditionally had this at the start of the meal so that people would need to eat less meat. Served with gravy.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,BLonde Lover
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:29 PM

'Tis no good you trying to impress me with your Culinary skills my deario....for I am promised to another....

Only one Lizzie?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:24 PM

" can you point me to an MP3 of the SoH version of "Downeaster Alexa"? I love that song, but only know Billy Joel's original version".

George, I will tomorrow.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:03 PM

Keith, can you point me to an MP3 of the SoH version of "Downeaster Alexa"? I love that song, but only know Billy Joel's original version.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:57 PM

"I'm sure there must be a Show of Hands song that we could play as background music.."

There is a song called "The Hunter". That might do. For those that like a more traditional hunting song, then perhaps the SoH take on "Reynardine" would fit the bill. For those that don't eat meat but do eat fish, then their version of "The Downeaster Alexa" might be more appropriate. Mr Beer has a rathe fine alternative arrangement of that that, has never made it to CD, where it sounds really like it is set off The Lizard rather than Martha's Vinyard.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:55 PM

An acid drop then

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:53 PM

The finger bowl is empty, nothing in it but a slice of lemon and a drop of water!
G

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:51 PM

"So who's coming to the party? Can we have a show of hands please?"
Nah George! I reckon we need a finger buffet instead!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

That's the end of the moose, and here is the weather forecast.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

for you George........anything

p.s. - is one moose enough for you?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:31 PM

Oh...I is feeling Proper Poorly!

Hey George...I thought I'd make a few of these to add to the Feast!

EXTREME COOKING

I'm ever so worried about the Moose and the Cow...someone phone the RSPCA...fast....

I'm sure there must be a Show of Hands song that we could play as background music..

MacKenzie is ONLY allowed to have Acid Drops by the way! ;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

So who's coming to the party? Can we have a show of hands please?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Damon Hill
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

Hey, I just spotted an on-topic bit to the test report:

"The Renault duo sandwiched the two Ferraris"

Damm, I thought I was posting something topic. Must try harder next time.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

The moose recipe reminded me of a South African friend's response to the waiter in an English restaurant when asked how he liked his steak: "Catch the cow, cut its horns, wipe its bum and put it on a plate".

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:22 PM

OK, Canadienne, you get a lift with Massa, as he's the fastest. We meet at Lizzie's.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:21 PM

real Canadian home cooking

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:21 PM

I believe we have the makings of a dinner party, including starters and pudding. Plus acid drops with the coffee.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Damon Hill
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM

Red-hot Massa still unbeatable in Bahrain
Thursday, 01, March, 2007, 17:13


Felipe Massa completed a perfect week's work in Bahrain by setting the pace on the final major day of pre-season Formula 1 testing on Thursday.

The Brazilian has been in commanding form all week at the Sakhir circuit, topping the times on each of the three days and establishing himself as one of the firm favourites ahead of the 2007 season, which gets underway in Australia on March 18.

Having set a benchmark time of 1m30.640s on Wednesday, Massa upped the ante to a stunning 1m29.989s on Thursday morning, as he continued to evaluate Ferrari's new aerodynamic package.

Despite completing just 45 laps and stopping work before the lunch break, Felipe finished 0.4s ahead of his nearest rival, Renault's Heikki Kovalainen.

The Finnish rookie's week began badly with a spectacular crash on Tuesday, but he has had no trouble getting back up to speed and shaded team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella by 0.1s.

Both drivers' running was interrupted by mechanical problems, although Renault said the parts that failed on Fisichella's car had exceeded their target mileage and were therefore not a concern.

The Renault duo sandwiched the two Ferraris, with Kimi Raikkonen setting the fourth fastest time after he took over the aero package that Massa had been using in the morning.

World champion Fernando Alonso was fifth quickest for McLaren, two places and 0.8s clear of test driver Pedro de la Rosa.

Rubens Barrichello gave Honda a boost with the sixth-best time, but team-mate Jenson Button languished in 14th.

Scott Speed, whose contract renewal with Toro Rosso was confirmed last Saturday, was the surprise of the day, posting the eighth fastest time.

Team-mate Tonio Liuzzi was similarly impressive on Wednesday and so far Red Bull's junior outfit has upstaged the more heralded 'A' team.


Testing times from Bahrain (March 1)

1. MASSA       Ferrari      1m29.989s

2. KOVALAINEN   Renault      1m30.384s

3. FISICHELLA   Renault      1m30.498s

4. RAIKKONEN    Ferrari      1m30.534s

5. ALONSO       McLaren      1m30.564s

6. BARRICHELLO Honda       1m31.067s

7. DE LA ROSA   McLaren      1m31.354s

8. SPEED       Toro Rosso   1m31.500s

9. COULTHARD    Red Bull    1m31.589s

10. HEIDFELD    BMW          1m31.720s

11. WEBBER       Red Bull    1m31.742s

12. KUBICA       BMW          1m31.751s

13. SCHUMACHER   Toyota       1m31.791s

14. BUTTON       Honda       1m31.837s

15. MONTAGNY    Toyota       1m32.264s

16. SATO         Super Aguri 1m33.337s

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:19 PM

I should have added - the above quantities produce enough aubergine salad for 8 with seconds. Or dinner for me (but stay clear afterwards!)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:16 PM

Tom Bawcock's Eve (23 December)

A merry place you may believe
Tiz Mouzel 'pon Tom Bawcock's Eve.
To be there then who wouldn't wesh
To sup o' sibm soorts o' fesh

When morgy brath had cleared the path
Comed lances for a fry.
And then us had a bit o' scad
An' starry-gazy pie

As aich we'd clunk
E's health we drunk
in bumpers bremmen high
And when up caame Tom Bawcocks name
We prais'd 'un to the sky

Tom Bawcock set to sea in terrible weather to get food for the starving people of Mousehole, Cornwall. This is celebrated annually on 23 December with a Starry Gazy Pie)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:16 PM

Wait for me, wait for me!

Aubergine salad/dip - (melitzanosalata)

INGREDIENTS
6 large aubergines
3-6 cloves of garlic to taste
1 tablespoon olive oil
2 teaspoons vinegar
salt

METHOD

Wash the aubergines, place them in a flat oven dish and grill them under high heat (if barbecuing, just stick them on the BBQ while the heat is still too fierce for the rest of the food to go on) making sure to turn them round until their skins are well, if not totally, charred. Take them out and let them cool.

Meanwhile, peel the cloves of garlic and press them through a garlic press (or chop as finely as you can).

Slice the charred aubergines lengthwise and scoop out their cooked interior into a bowl with a spoon, avoiding the bits of charred skin as much as you can (it is not unhealthy, just unsightly) and letting most of the oily natural liquids of the aubergine drain away. Add the pressed/chopped garlic, olive oil, vinegar and salt to taste. Beat the mixture into a coarse but uniform consistency with a fork – I use two spoons sliding across each other scissor fashion. If you want, you can put it through a food processor, but then it will become a smooth paste, whereas the coarse consistency is more "ethnic"! Chill and use as a dip, or take some on a plate with starters (that is how it is used in Greece). The smokey flavour of the aubergine is to die for.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:11 PM

Oh Canadiaenne....Now THAT is a wonderful site!! Cornish through and through! Thanks for that.....

MacKenzie...I realise that hearing that I'm promised to another is obviously breaking your heart, but....Acid Drops are SO not going to impress me...

Apart from anything else...there's a POUND of SUGAR in there..and I'm diabetic...

Or..is that the reason.....????

MacKenzie! I'm ashamed of you!

Death By Acid Drops is not a nice way to go... ;0)

I'm going back to Canada and my Star Gazing Pie...

See....all things from Canada are wonderful...XX

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:59 PM

Acid Drops

450g (1lb) Sugar
120ml (4 floz) Warm Water
1 level tsp Tartaric Acid
¼ tsp Cream of Tartar
Lemon Essence

Place the sugar, water and cream of tartar into a heavy bottomed saucepan, heat gently until the sugar has completely dissolved.
Boil the mixture without stirring, to a temperature of 154°C (310°F).
Remove from the heat and immerse the base of the saucepan in cold water to prevent further cooking.
Mix the tartaric acid with a little warm water and a few drops of the lemon essence, stirring well.
Add to the sugar mixture stirring to ensure that it is fully combined.
Allow to cool for a few minutes.
Use a teaspoon which has been lightly oiled, place drops of the mixture onto a oiled baking sheet or marble slab.
Allow the acid drops to cool and set.
Then wrap in cellophane and store in an airtight container.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:58 PM

hear's one you may appreciate Lizzie - substitute any "star" of your choice

Star gazy pie

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:54 PM

I have a Grouch....is that any good? I could have it for pudding, to follow the Moaning Minnie Pie.. ;0)

OoooH Nooooo! I was doing OK until I had to cut the Grouch up with Grouch Scissors...and now I've come over all queasy! I may not be safe setting fire to the whisky either...but thanks anyway Canadienne...


This could turn into quite a BBC Buffet!

Anyone have any John Leonard Recipes at all? ;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

do you have a grouse Lizzie? well then here ya go -

2 Grouse, trussed
285ml (½ pint) Chicken Stock
125g (4oz) Mushrooms
2 Carrots
1 Celery Stalk
1 Onion
75g (3oz) Butter
2 tbsp Whisky
1 tbsp Redcurrant Jelly

Pre-heat oven to 180°C: 350°F: Gas 4.
Chop the onions and mushrooms, dice the carrot and celery.
Season the grouse well with salt and pepper.
Heat the butter in a flameproof casserole and brown the grouse on all sides.
Remove the grouse and reserve.
Add the vegetables to the casserole and cook over a low heat until tender but not browned.
Return the grouse, add the whisky, flame it - allow the flames to disappear.
Add the stock and roast, covered, for 1¼ hours.
When cooked remove and use poultry shears to cut the grouse in half, place on a serving dish, keep warm.
Strain the sauce into a small saucepan, boil until it thickens, add the redcurrant jelly.
Spoon sauce over before serving.

hope that helps - nothing else seems to

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:37 PM

Look MacKenzie...'Tis no good you trying to impress me with your Culinary skills my deario....for I am promised to another....

Good try though! ;0)

I prefer the Bread Pudding to the Limpets though...they kind of remind me of The Moaning Minnies...

!!!! OOOH! Do you have any recipes for Moaning Minnie Pie at all...I know exactly where to find the ingredients for that! ;0)

Mind you...it would give you awful indigestion...Chuckle!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM

Very little 'pops into my eyesight' Guest Guest...(Strange sense of deja vu with your name there)


I have the most terrible vision...but luckily God invented someone who invented contact lenses...but you know what happens when my contact lenses are out...my ears take over! :0)

Yup!

That's why I knew that Seth was a star the moment I heard him...

I'll tell you a young band to look out for too..you may like them at your club...

LOMAN

They went down a storm at Sidmouth last year....

I've got so many names I could give you too...I did actually start a thread on the BBC about Young Folkies, but er...the BBC closed it down, took the title and main post away...

That's what the BBC do these day...Actively do NOT support musicians any more. They've just removed an entirely harmless thread on Ashley Hutchings e petition that someone started up to get him knighted for his services to folk music and dance, for no other reason that I started it...as 'Shesoeverthere'....some prat obviously went running to teacher screeching "Miss Miss...she's back!"

They'll now remove harmless and supportive posts on The Rainbow Chasers and Bollin Morris as well....but spite far outweighs support over there amongst the BBC staff and some posters and people in the folk world...

A very great shame, because the folk world that I know has nothing to do with the attitude that's on this thread and over at the BBC. The BBC should hang their heads in shame at how they're behaving...

Ho hum....

I think I'll be 'Shesbehindyou' next.... ;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:34 PM

Limpet Pie
Pastai Brenig

Limpets
Shortcrust Pastry
110g (4oz) Streaky Bacon
2 Hard Boiled Eggs
1 Onion
Milk or Egg (Optional)

Cook the limpets until just tender.
Cut the bacon into cubes and fry lightly.
Peel and thinly slice the onions.
Pre-heat oven to 180°C: 350°F: Gas 4.
Line a pie dish with thinly rolled short crust pastry.
Fill dish with alternate layers of limpets, bacon, sliced egg and onion.
Cover with a pastry lid, brush with milk or beaten egg.
Bake for 30 minutes.
Reduce the heat to low and cook for a further 30 minutes.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:25 PM

>>>>Same story with the Lakeperson, sadly now wrongly tarred and discredited as a result of the Smoothies' incompetence.<<<<<<


PAH! That's rich coming from someone who went out of their way on the old BBC board and the new one to discredit Seth Lakeman at every turn!

SHEESH! HOW do you sleep nights?

And you just have to be related to this chappie...without a doubt!

Liars R Us

;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:22 PM

did you scream at Fairport too when they first started to perform Liege & Lief?

Of course not, why would I when I'd helped them out in a small way in the C# library when they were researching the music.
Mind you, I did scream at the Beatles some five years earlier . . .

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:21 PM

Bread Pudding

225g (8oz) Stale Bread
110g (4oz) Currants, Raisins or Sultanas
50g (2oz) Brown Sugar
50g (2oz) Butter
½ tsp Mixed Spice
1 Egg
Milk

Pre-heat oven to 170°C: 325°F: Gas 3
Break bread into small pieces; soak in cold water at least 1 hour
Strain and squeeze out as dry as possible.
Place into a basin and mash with a fork.
Add the dried fruit, sugar, mixed peel and mixed spice, mixing well.
Add the egg and enough milk to enable the mixture to drop easily from a spoon.
Place into a greased baking tin.
Bake for about an hour or until slightly firm to the touch.
When done turn out on to a hot dish.
Turn out dredge with sugar and serve hot with custard, or allow to cool.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:19 PM

Spent alovely evening with a young band who were playing at my club last night,

Over dinner, the name of LC came up.
Talk about seeing the whites of their eyes, not to mention the groans.

They are just so pleased that they haven't popped into her eyesight yet.

But, it's probably only a matter of time.

They will be keeping their heads down.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:15 PM

>>> . . and I've never been anywhere near Longdogs,
Bimey, whyever would I? <<<<



Sigh! I wasn't talking about Yooooooooo!

I was talking about McFairy....

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM

I didn't 'discover' Show of Hands..they'd been around for a decade or more before I merely 'discovered' I loved their music via Sidmouth, as well you know.

And WHO ARE YOU, said in my best Alice in Wonderland Caterpillar voice to decide who people should know about and who they shouldn't?

Were you there when Bob plugged in? Did you rant and rage at him in the 60's and yell 'Judas'...and did you scream at Fairport too when they first started to perform Liege & Lief? It wouldn't surprise me...it's exactly the same thing.

I am so fed up of your patronizing "I AM the Folk World" attitude Diane...and that of your pals too....

I suggest you take it to a place where the shade is shadin' all day long. :0)

Oh and about your statement concerning musicians being embarrassed, I've had quite a few lovely messages from musicians over on Myspace, who are anything BUT embarrassed. Sorry to disappoint you Sweetums...

Thank yoooooo


Lizzie

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:09 PM

LOL Canadienne!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:04 PM

. . . and I've never been anywhere near Longdogs,
Bimey, whyever would I?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM

Well perhaps assuming they could read was a little presumptuous George :)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:01 PM

My accomplice?
No, I ride alone and speak only for myself.
Y'see, with LC it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault, even if she has to invent a scapegoat. Never hers. Oh no.

The only thing I don't like about SoH is . . . Show of Hands, and especially Roots which is crap musically and is, lyrically, socially divisive to the point of racism.
What really irritates me is that they could clearly be so much better but can't be arsed. Presumably because they don't need to.
They can make a living by not bothering that much.
I deplore that.

Phil Beer is a fine musician and I rather liked Alianza.
Same story with the Lakeperson, sadly now wrongly tarred and discredited as a result of the Smoothies' incompetence.
The Lakeperson Boy Band was quite good, once.
Then it went downhill because the Bros decided they wanted to be pop singers.
Nowt wrong with that but it doesn't interest me that much.
And a small proportion of the yoof LC seems so keen to cultivate is being fed the notion that this is trad music. It isn't.
We all know who these people are and did so long before LC came along and imagined she has 'discovered' them.
It's all so tedious, the musicians are embarrassed, everyone else is bored and it has to STOP.