BS: How shall we use the first time machine

Subject: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:39 PM

Like a twist on the genie's 3 wishes, how should we use the first time machine.

Here's the rub, some theorize that the time machine can never go to a time before its creation. Others say that it may be possible to go back father than first thought.
So lets assume that going backwards will work as well as going forwards but it can only be used 3 times.

I am blocked and can not come up with 3 meaningful or even funny missions.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:44 PM

3 times only? *tsk*...

I'd say go back and clear up a few things about certain religious beliefs, but I doubt that it would make any difference if we got VIDEO of the truth in detail....folks would just claim it was faked- one way or the other.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:55 PM

Hey you may be on to something. Go back and get Jesus take him to Mohammed and then take both of them to see Bhudda.


Yeah the 3 times only thing gets in the way but the time machine probably has a windows operating system.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:01 PM

Are those three round trips? Or one way? Or like one trip with three stops: there, there, and back.

There's a lot I'd like to know besides the Big Things. Stuff like Amy Robsart and Jack the Ripper and Spring-Heeled Jack and Christopher Marlowe's death and was Mary REALLY behind the explosion that killed her husband and was Seward part of a plot to bump off Lincoln and what REALLY happened that day in Dallas and who killed Hitler's niece and that's just touching on the past.

As for the future, if there is one....

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:03 PM

Exactly, Bill. That's what they do with all the UFO videos... ;-)

Definitely, I would go back and see Jesus, and Buddha. For number three....I think I'd take a look at the fairly near future so I could see what's going to happen in the 21st century.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:14 PM

(I suppose ONE trip ahead to see the stock exchange results for a year might be interesting)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:45 PM

On the vengeful side I would like to send the global warming denyers to 3000 AD
Send the holocaust denyers to Treblinka at its worst.
And send George Bush to Baghdad today (without a time machine)

Yeah round trips sound fine, except for George.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:57 PM

Rapaire, what I learned of Seward's injuries as well as those of his son on that fateful night were horrendous. Then his wife died soon after. That new Lincoln book by that Boston lady is great.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 11:18 PM

Go back to when they were building the Lloyds Building in London and tell them they've got the plans inside out.

Go back to when they were building the British Library with a decent architect who has some taste and doesn't just want to make a name for themselves.

Go back to Bosworth Field and give Henry Tudor a good thrashing.

But then, I'm weird.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bert
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 11:59 PM

...On the vengeful side I would like to send the global warming denyers to 3000 AD...

Yes Donuel, then I'd take them back to 1950 and give them the task of telling everybody what they saw and make them believe it.

Or better than that Squeaks, go back to 1066 and tell Harold NOT to chase them down the hill.

Then I'd go back and meet Tree when she was about nineteen.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:36 AM

We already have a time machine of sorts....think of your car /van/wagon in a new light. Get in it at one time..spend however long in it and get out at a different place (or the same one if you so chose) at a different time.
How much of your journey actually sinks in? Can you always remember your travelling time or does it become lost in 'second nature' driving?

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: gnu
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:42 AM

I (will) have $100,000 to pay to go back to December 31, 1985 at 11:45 AM in Family Court Chamber A. I only need to be there a few seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Bainbo at work
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:05 AM

I'm not sure that getting Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed together would make much difference. They only ever had the same basic message anyway: "We're all in this together, so we'd better all get on with one another." So I can't see that having them say it together, rather than individually, would change the way fundamentalists have interpreted it.

Well, I don't think there are any Bhuddist fundamentalists, but you know what I mean.

My three journeys back in time would be:
*Make sure the plot to assassinate Hitler was better equipped and informed;
*Petition the League of Nations not to let Britain force warring tribes to live under one rule, in the artificially constructed Iraq;
*Buy some shares in Microsoft.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:41 AM

Shoot the prophet mohammed before he has a chance to spread his poison.
Shoot Karl Marx for the same reason.
Make sure Adolf Hitler has a fatal accident on the way to school.
There you go. The world is a better place already.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Crane Driver
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:45 AM

We would probably have to use the first trip to go forward in time, to find out how to make a time machine . . .

Andrew

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST, Grimmy
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:50 AM

I'm not sure that getting Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed together would be a good idea - they'd probably end up fighting.

I'd go back to 1 second before the Big Bang - what a show!

I'd also quite like to see myself being born, though I'm slightly worried about why I want to do that.

Then I'd go forward to day the world ends - man, what a party!

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: *daylia*
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 07:04 AM

Go back and get Jesus take him to Mohammed and then take both of them to see Bhudda.

How would you feel if you went to all that trouble only to discover "They" are really One and The Same?

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 07:41 AM

Problem is, goimg back in time and changing things would result in a totally different world to the one we have today and it might not be a change for the better.

Most of the unpleasantness that has been wreaked on the world has been as a result of human nature. Get rid of one oppressor and another is likely to come up in their place - most of them are the result of the conditions of their time. No Hitler? One of his gang would have filled the gap, most likely. Possibly that person might have made a better job of it and that could have led to the 3rd Reich truly coming into existence.

Personally, I have no desire to know what will happen in the future and am finding it hard to come up with anything that I would really want to go and see in the past. Maybe with some thought...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 08:08 AM

I want to observe, not change. Well, maybe have W denied admission to the Texas Air Guard so that he'd be drafted instead....

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:42 AM

1. Go forward a few weeks
2. Get a newspaper with stock quotes
3. Bring it back
4. Make a fortune
5. Build lots more time machines, each of which has only 3 trips...

Then we can do everything.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM

I would like to know who killed the Princes in the Tower, Who Built Stonehenge and how. I would really like to spend a day with Virginia Woolf.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:50 AM

"Who Built Stonehenge and how"

Might well take several lifetimes, or multiple trips...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 11:57 AM

1. Go forward a week to get next week's lottery results.

2. Come back a day, buy a lottery ticket with the winning numbers. Wait for the result and claim you winnings.

3. Go back to the 1960s, and you will be able to live a life of luxury. You could also write a few hit songs before the Beatles think of them, and have a bit of fun taking them to court for plagiarism.

(OK, not entirely original, but I can't think of a better way to use it!)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:12 PM

How shall we use the first time machine

Haven't read the whole thread-- mea culpa-- but first thought?

To fight over it and how to use it, while it rusts and blows away of course! Fight over "who is 'we'?" and go from there!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:19 PM

Scrump, beware! Make sure the money is legal tender. If you're in the UK you'll end up in the pre-decimalisation 60's with a wad of useless cash.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Mooh
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:24 PM

First...before my last beer, over 5 years ago.

Second...before white man came and soiled the Americas, the fishing would be fantastic.

Third...the first Christmas and various times in the life of Christ.

Fourth...to fast forward through evolution and see it all.

Etc...to watch great tribal chiefs from all over the world, look over the shoulder of great artists, listen to great composers at work...

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:28 PM

I would think that a trip to the Library at Alexandria, before it was burned, with some method to copy all the works that we know have been lost ( by the references in later/other works)would be of some use.

How about going back and bringing forward a number of dodo eggs?

One has to wonder what they taste like...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:33 PM

oh, sort of between Great Auk eggs and Passenger Pigeon eggs.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:33 PM

Jesus would be very tough for a time machine. Going back to when? 33 AD? 27 AD? You see the problem?

And then, even with a year's stay in Palestine, how would you find out who of the many preachers of that time you meet during that year would later be remembered by some as the Messias?

Would you recognise any of the events described in the NT? Modern research thinks that most of the wonder stories in the NT are later embellishments. Would a sermon on a mountain have any similarity with the report about it that is close enough for the visitor to be sure that that it is actually the event told in the NT?

The narratives about the same event in Jesus' life are so different in detail that the historic truth may be far from any of the narratives.

I'd love to go back to Jesus but I'd expect to meet a simple preacher with a lot of charisma and personal warmth but a bit too irrational for my taste.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

Bill, I was actually thinking of the dodo itself- they were wiped out by a combination of sailors eating the adults, and man-introduced animals ( dogs? pigs?) eating their eggs.

But then, we COULD clone them ( and passanger pigeons): We have a number of skin fragments and feathers.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:39 PM

I read the title as 'How shall we use First Time machine', and was thinking what on earth is a first time machine....


But seriously. I'd go to the future, and borrow some genetic engineering techniques to make people live for several hundred years, and to dramatically lower the birth rate, and drop that into the population at the end of the last Glacial. People might be less inclined to make such a mess of things if they were going to be stuck with them for a few centuries.

Then I'd find a passing god or planetary engineer, and have them remove an area roughly bounded by the Causacus Mountains, Black sea, Zagros mountain and the Sinai. Not destroy the Middle east, just ensure it never existed in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:46 PM

If it's your 'first time' and you must resort to a machine, even with two perfectly good hands, you are in sorrier shape than I thought!!!!!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:52 PM

Use the time machine to go observe the Aliens who in the future observe the Earth and its cultures.

Use the machine to sedate and then give a vasectomy to airman GHW Bush.

Use the time machine to do the same to Grandpa bin Laden.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 01:40 PM

"Not destroy the Middle east, just ensure it never existed in the first place. " Bunnahabhain

Nothing personal, B, but right there is the crux of this world's problem. If we didn't have the situation in the Middle East, there is little doubt but that we'd create and exacerbate difficulties in another area of the world.

As for me and a time machine- what I would do would all depend on whether I could take along my current consciousness.

There wouldn't be much point in visiting America's Old West or Jesus's time in the Middle East or Greece or Rome in all their glory if I were only one among many women who were oppressed or enslaved or otherwise powerless.

But I sure would like to know if - and where and when - I have lived before...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:19 PM

My preferred way of visiting past or future situations would be as a disembodied spirit, not as a physical person. A spirit can observe what's happening without getting physically involved in the situation, and I think that would be the wise way to go if it could be arranged.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 03:58 PM

I would advise you to go as a mouse LH, but if somebody trapped you, you might blame me. And with you having a time machine, you might land on my front stoop.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:40 PM

I don't think going as a mouse is such a great idea. They are one of nature's most popular fast food items.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: John Hardly
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:55 PM

I would find a cave that nobody had been in for over 75 years. Then I would go back to 1937-39 and beg, borrow, steal every D28 and J-45 I can lay my hands on and put them in that cave for safe-keeping until I can come back the present to retrieve them all.

Ditto the 1920s and Lloyd Loar mandolins.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: John Hardly
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:00 PM

I'd go back in time to give teenage me guitar lessons.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:49 PM

"Then I would go back to 1937-39 and beg, borrow, steal every D28 and J-45 I can lay my hands on and put them in that cave for safe-keeping until I can come back the present to retrieve them all.

Ditto the 1920s and Lloyd Loar mandolins."

(Nothing at all greedy about you, JH. :) Just think: That dampness in that cave has been saturating those instruments all these years... Poor guy.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: bobad
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:18 PM

"My preferred way of visiting past or future situations would be as a disembodied spirit, not as a physical person."

What, you don't do astral travelling? I'm shocked!

Get you to this site http://www.psychics.co.uk/astraltravel/ and get disembodied and don't forget to pack your toothbrush.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:52 PM

Well, I'm sure I do astral travel sometimes while dreaming...the trouble is I'm not aware that I'm dreaming while it's happening, so it usually results in pretty mundane stuff or else stuff that I don't remember afterwards. I need to figure out how to astral travel in a controlled manner while awake. I hear it's not an easy thing to master.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: The Walrus
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 08:22 PM

One quick question:

To all those who wish to visit the Holy Land in the New Testament period - How's your Aramaic? (also add Hebrew, Latin and Greek etc as required).

W

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 09:17 PM

Well, I tried it and ended up here. It's better than where I came from but it's not quite what was advertised on screen.

No, I don't have the option of going back even if I had the guts to do it. And if I did get back there is no certainty it would be the same place.

Whatever!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bee
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 09:42 PM

Good Lord, Charley - you haven't fathered or grandfathered yerself, have you? That could lead you into an awful loop.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:05 AM

I would like to go back in time and see the dinosaurs.

Recently I passed a modest house with a huge tree in its front yard, a tree perhaps 50 feet high and beautifully shaped. I wonder if, in the distant future, the big trees will all be gone and people will marvel that a plant could have been that big.

It makes me appreciate trees more.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: fat B****rd
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:46 AM

I'd tell Lord Cardigan "WRONG VALLEY !!"
I'd watch John L. Sullivan fight Jake Kilrain
I'd have 11 year old Charlie Stenger start to do much better atschool.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:43 AM

Scrump, beware! Make sure the money is legal tender. If you're in the UK you'll end up in the pre-decimalisation 60's with a wad of useless cash.

Good point - better change it all into gold. Might weigh a bit though...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:56 AM

I'd like to see if Velikovsky was right and if a planet did destroy Mars with such a close near miss that oceans were pulled into space and the difference in electrical charge sent a cosmicly huge lightning bolt across the equator of Mars leaving an explosively 17 mile deep and 3100 mile long scar we now call the Mars rift valley.

Imagine the oceans turning to ice and illuminated by the hot lightning bolt as they are pulled into space. Imagine the theorized planet Oberon that whose orbit was just beyond Mars being totally destroyed and is now a ring of asteroid belt debris.

That would be a nearby show worth watching.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:06 AM

The other hypothesis for the scar on Mars is that it is plate techtonics that never moved...
http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Mars/MarsThePlanet/MarsRiftValley.html

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: bobad
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:09 AM

Maybe water was involved:

"A new radar that's measured ice deposits on Mars indicates that there's enough frozen water there to cover the entire planet to a depth of about 11 metres."

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1874092.htm

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:19 AM

There is evidence of collosal floods of water rushing across the surface of Mars all at once.

Imagine most of Mars oceans dragged into space and eventually raining down as ice on Earth. Jeez it'd be enough to rain for 40 days and nights.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:20 AM

I wonder if they used the bistatic radar method by which we* demonstrated the presence of water ice in the craters at the Lunar south polar region?



* I was Data Manager on the Clementine program, in the late 1980's.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:26 AM

WOW

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM

The thing that worries me about it is, if it breaks down, who do you call?

If you travel into the past, you won't have any cover, and if you go too far into the future, it will be out of warranty, and not supported any more - they'll just try to sell you another one.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Desdemona
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:34 AM

This is something I've thought about a lot since I was a little kid, it's such a compelling idea. I particularly recall being very taken with Daphne Du Maurier's novel "The House on the Strand". As a medieval/early-modernist, I'd definitely want to have an up close and personal look at England from the 11th through the 17th centuries ...I'd almost certainly find that everything we learn about Middle English pronunciation is complete bollocks, ditto for the Early Modern period! I imagine I'd take a number of trips of varying duration (especially if I wound up in a plague year!), and keep a tight hold on my return ticket!

Fun to think about...

~D

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:53 AM

One of my favourite books as a child was a thin volume called The Fog People, about a child summering on the shore (of Maine, I think) who makes friends with people in a nearby foggy coastal village, eventually discovering that she can only visit them when it is foggy, and that they only existed in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:53 AM

OK, I misremembered- ( or was it the time machine?) Clementine was the mid 90's- RME was the late 80's, followed by LACE... Too much data...



News Release
Tuesday, December 3, 1996
Subject: Clementine Spacecraft Program


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


MEMORANDUM FOR CORRESPONDENTS

After interpreting data and pictures taken during the Clementine spacecraft mission, a joint Department of Defense and NASA program, scientists reveal that deposits of ice could exist in permanently dark regions near the south pole of the Moon. Initial estimates suggest that the ice deposit area is the size of a small lake (60-120 thousand cubic meters), comparable to four football fields 16 feet deep. The ice is suggested to be in a lunar crater which has a depth of one-and-a-half times than the height of Mount Everest with a the rim circumference twice the size the island of Puerto Rico.

Originally sponsored by The Ballistic Missile Defense Organization the Clementine mission was designed to test new technology that would track and intercept hostile missiles, using celestial bodies such as the Moon. Clementine made history on January 25, 1994, by being launched in half the time at a quarter of the cost of other comparable satellites. Several advanced lightweight cameras onboard Clementine recorded approximately 1.5 million images of over 99.9 percent of the Moon's surface, including laser radar measurements which produced a topographical map of the lunar surface.

The discovery of ice on the Moon has enormous implications for a permanent human return to the Moon. Water ice is made up of hydrogen and oxygen, two elements vital to human life and space operations. Lunar ice could be mined and disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen by electric power provided by solar panels or a nuclear generator. This hydrogen and oxygen is a prime rocket fuel, giving the space program the ability to re-fuel rockets at a lunar "filling station" and making transport to and from the Moon more economical by at least a factor of ten. Additionally, the water from lunar polar ice and oxygen generated from the ice could support a permanent facility or outpost on the Moon. The discovery of this material, rare on the Moon but so vital to human life and operations in space, will make human expansion into the Solar System easier and reaffirms the immense value of the Earth's Moon as the stepping stone into the universe.

The Clementine mission was sponsored and managed by the BMDO. The satellite was designed and integrated by the Naval Research Laboratory and the sensor instruments were integrated by the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory. The science team was sponsored by NASA who also provided the Deep Space Network of antennas to receive Clementine's image transmissions to the Earth. Clementine was launched aboard a Titan II missile from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.

- END -

http://www.silvereng.com/dspse.htm

http://www.pxi.com/clementine/index.html


http://www.pxi.com/clementine/image_gallery/JPEG/Moon_Mosaic.JPEG

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: John Hardly
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:01 AM

"(Nothing at all greedy about you, JH. :) Just think: That dampness in that cave has been saturating those instruments all these years... Poor guy."

Heck, I'd play the instruments for the poor. Heck, I'll play for anyone who can afford a ticket.

Actually, in the right spot in most caves, the instruments would probably fare pretty well. Better that dried out in some attic.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:10 AM

Georgian Silver,
I would argue that in our 3 dimensional space, cars, trains and planes are in essence a time machine, saving us time etc.
Indeed high velocity does change the time in a relative way and extreme velocity changes time a lot.

BUT imagine a lifeform who has mastery of 4 dimensional space and can travel in 4 dimensional vehicles that can locally warp space time and hop to a place time rather than push through space in a linear line.

With such technology things like fences, prison cells and safes would serve no purpose. You could hop in and out at will.

A society with such technology would have to be ethicly advanced to use it respondsibly.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:17 AM

"A society with such technology would have to be ethicly advanced to use it respondsibly."


Yes, but that does not imply that a society that has that capability is using it responsibly, only that if it WAS using it responsibly, that society would be ethically advanced.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:00 PM

Actually, in the right spot in most caves, the instruments would probably fare pretty well. Better that dried out in some attic

You'd need to make sure the cave was woodworm-proof, or you come back and find a pile of rusting strings and machine heads :-)

Why not follow my advice, win the lottery and buy all the instruments you want?

And all the beer you want, all the (insert your favourite item here) you want...

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:08 PM

So many options. So much time.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:10 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: The Walrus
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:46 PM

GUEST, Grimmy

"...I'd go back to 1 second before the Big Bang - what a show!..."

If you did that, it's possible that you would cause the Big Bang.!

W

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:00 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:00 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:01 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:02 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:03 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:04 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Skivee
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:07 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Mooh
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 09:22 AM

Sure could solve crimes, win lotteries, and for me, take my foot out of my mouth before the fact.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 09:58 AM

I'd like to go back a few hundred years and listen to some musicians in the highlands of Scotland. Oh, the music!

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:08 AM

I would go back to dinosaur times, and eat a few, and see waht they taste like.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:19 AM

"eat a few", huh? Maybe you could write a cookbook.

"build a bonfire in a pit 80X100....spit dinosaur on trunk of tree....roast for 3.5 days...."

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Becca72
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:27 AM

I'd teach the Eloi how to fight back...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 06:48 AM

Three things that I would like to do (I'm assuming here that having arrived in a certain year I can stay for a couple of years and travel about a bit). I would like to:

- See the countryside of my native part of Eastern England, just before it was enclosed (early 19th century). Perhaps I might meet the poet John Clare as a child/teenager. He was to go on to record the effects of enclosure on the countryside around his native village of Helpston.

- Go on a botanical ramble (c. 1820s to 1850s) with some of the Working Class botanists of South Lancashire. I would particularly like to meet Richard Buxton, a botanist and impoverished shoemaker from the Ancoats district of Manchester.

- Go on a folk song collecting expedition with one of the great Edwardian collectors. I suppose if I had to choose it would be with Cecil Sharp in Somerset. But, oh to be with Vaughan Williams and to meet and hear sing Henry Burstow, Charles Potipher, Harriet Verral, James Carter etc., etc., etc.!

It's not going to happen - but thanks, Donuel for giving me the opportunity to dream!

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:04 PM

Bill D, IT tastes like chicken with a whisper of fish.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:44 AM

"GUEST, Grimmy

"...I'd go back to 1 second before the Big Bang - what a show!..."

If you did that, it's possible that you would cause the Big Bang.!

W"


Hey W, what if I prevented the Big Bang?

(I'm trying to get my head round the implications of that one)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: The Walrus
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:02 PM

"...Hey W, what if I prevented the Big Bang?..."

Now that's the ULTIMATE Grandfather paradox !

W

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:13 PM

I'd like to be bombadier under Captain Jimmy Stewart and guide our B-24 over Duseldorf to the exact spot where Prescott Bush* was inspecting his German ammunition factory...and release the bombs.

*W's Grandfather.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 10:13 AM

I'd go back in time to before when this thread was started, and then start it myself, just to wind up Donuel :-)

Then I'd probably go back to the 1960s and buy up the entire stock of Dobell's records in Charing Cross Road, London, England, and then come back to the present time and flog them all on ebay, and live happily ever after on the proceeds :-)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:35 AM

please delete this thread

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 05:24 PM

Like a twist on the genie's 3 wishes, how should we use the first time machine.

Here's the rub, some theorize that the time machine can never go to a time before its creation. Others say that it may be possible to go back father than first thought.
So lets assume that going backwards will work as well as going forwards but it can only be used 3 times.

I am blocked and can not come up with 3 meaningful or even funny missions.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: rock chick
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 11:53 AM

Mmm I would go back and knowing all the s... that was coming up I would change it for a different outcome, not necessarily a better outcome but one that would stop any further s... happening in the future, and as for going forward... I would hope my previous actions would stop anyone else suffering. But hey that's in an ideal world, and well that just does not exist in any shape or form.

rc

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 08:47 AM

Like a twist on the genie's 3 wishes, how should we use the first time machine.

Here's the rub, some theorize that the time machine can never go to a time before its creation. Others say that it may be possible to go back father than first thought.
So lets assume that going backwards will work as well as going forwards but it can only be used 3 times.

I am blocked and can not come up with 3 meaningful or even funny missions.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 10:52 AM

I get it...


_______________________________________________________________

Notice how people choose a very personal use for the time machine rather than a use that would benefit all mankind, not that good intentions are any guarantee to help all mankind.
The road to hell is paved with the best intentions.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:20 AM

It's a tricky one, Donuel. If we went back and changed things then the (unintended) results could be catastrophic.

However, if we went forward and 'did some good', then maybe that wouldn't be so bad - or would it?

My head hurts.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:31 AM

Well, if the object is to do something to benefit mankind, we could do these things:

- go back in time and slip a contraceptive pill into Mrs Hitler's tea (or do likewise for your dictator of choice)

- go back in time and destroy the blueprints for the internal combustion engine, thereby saving the world from global warming

- go back in time and get loads of dosh as mentioned for mersonal use in posts above, but bring it back to the present and use it for charitable works to improve the lot of poor people worldwide

- go back in time and persuade everybody that you are their god, and that your dearest wish is that they will never start fights on your behalf, and that world peace is a central tenet of your/their religion.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:33 AM

Perhaps a 4 dimensional lifeform with a four lobed brain would find these questions as elemental as our # dimensional kindergarden games, but questions that 11 dimensional conundrums pose, would make their brain hurt.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 11:42 AM

I think Dr. Who tried to pose the various ethics of time travel.

It is such an important question that many new vehicles for this theme will be created by the mind of humans for as long as we can think.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 12:11 PM

1) Go back hundreds of years and look for Anon
2) Go back to 7th July 1977 and cause "me" to fail my driving test (it was the start of putting on weight, as I went everywhere on the bike before that).
3) Go back to 27th February 1973 (meeting Nessie) and do it all again

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 12:14 PM

If there are an infinite number of parallel Universes and timelines all existing simultaneously (as some have theorized), then it wouldn't matter where you went and what you did...except to those who were in that particular Universe and timeline, of course.

It is linear thinking that gets people asking these kind of questions. What if existence is not really linear at all, but holographic?

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 12:44 PM

A 3D cube is sensed immediately with only its interior in question.

It took me countless months to visualize a hyper cube of 4 dimensions.

I can concieve of a hyper holographic universe but I can not see it.

Here is an interesting title 'The reference beam of the Universe'

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 12:51 PM

Beats me how you even could visualize a 4-dimensional cube after months of focusing on the idea, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 01:00 PM

If you happen to be travelling back in time and you meet somebody coming the other way, then it's probably best to avoid eye contact.

And DON'T SIT WITH YOUR ELBOW STICKING OUT OF THE WINDOW! Trust me on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 01:30 PM

I have an inspired idea: Maybe a Mudcatter could conceive of and build a 'fast forward' machine. With it we could see how our current activities and conditions play out in real time. Then we could come back and change the impetus.

Brilliant, what?

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: rock chick
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 01:52 PM

"Notice how people choose a very personal use for the time machine rather than a use that would benefit all mankind, not that good intentions are any guarantee to help all mankind.
The road to hell is paved with the best intentions"
------------------------------------------------------------


Humans will be humans, well most of the time! other times well we could use a four letter word for some, but most humans have some form of kindness to others, it just needs digging deep, very deep in some cases, but we all have some form of self preservation, after all that's how our species has survived. So your little comment above should not be aimed at anyone, but their replies taken as part of being a member of the human race, there again maybe is wasn't 'aimed'

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 02:12 PM

I foresee time-machine traffic jams. With bottlenecks during the 17th century. Signs saying "Give way to traffic merging from the French Revolution". Time machine traffic cops lying in wait during the Jurassic period. Cones everywhere and every time.

And we'll certainly need some kind of breakdown service -

"Yes sir, what appears to be the trouble?"
"Uh huh, and where are you exactly, sir?"
"Uh huh, and WHEN ARE YOU?"
"Thank you, sir, one of our mechanics will be with you 5 minutes ago"

Man, I can't wait.....

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 05:47 PM

Anyone read a time travel novel called 'Bones of the Earth' (pub. 2002) by Michael Swanwick? He takes every time travel paradox you've ever thought (and quite a few you haven't) and ties them in knots and juggles with them. I love the opening scene in which a mysterious stranger turns up at a paleontology lab. and presents the paleontologist protagonist with the head of a freshly killed Stegosaurus ...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,The black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 08:26 AM

I think I'd want to use it to find the LAST time machine and find out why there were no later ones.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 08:31 AM

There is/was/will be some kind of time machine scrapyard somewhere. Good for spares ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,rock chick
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:16 AM

Are we talking about inventing a time machine today, ops sorry maybe we did it yesterday, or it could be a thought for the future....Oh is is too complicated to take in....Now was I thinking it too complicated yesterday or is it really today, no maybe I will think about it tomorrow!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 07:37 AM

With apologies to Douglas Adams.... The only thing more complicated than building a time machine is figuring out how to use it, and the only thing more complicated than that is the grammar associated with it...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 03:11 PM

Question:

When does the train leave to Morrow?

Answer:

The train to Morrow left yesterday!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: rock chick
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 05:15 AM

How would I use it, to give peace where peace is needed, to stop cruelty where it is used against humanity, to make people kinder to one and other and to abolish all the poor counties by ensuring food and water was shared, but we don't need a time machine for that just, humanity and the right people in the right places. We are all equal in society, race or colour, status, material things should not matter, although they do with a lot of people.

rc

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: rock chick
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:40 AM

What's this ganging up and removing threads, 3rd time now, maybe I should go back in time and put it up again, or maybe Joe or one of his clones already has the time machine, hence threads being written then vanishing!!

I may go back in time or to the future and write it again, or maybe I have already written it!! What ever I would still ensure the B...... got what he deserved one way or another by going back in time or going to the furutre......there would be no escape!

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 06:58 AM

It looks like stalking, Rock Chick. Whatever HE did, he's not following you around in the threads years after whatever it was happened, desperately (3 times?! 5 days worth?!) trying to hurt you. The more you do this, the more of a chance people might lose sympathy for you.

I'd hope if you had a time machine, you could go back and help yourself move on with your life.

No, I don't mind if this is deleted, especially if this thread is now nothing more than a staging area for a vendetta.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,rock chick
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 07:43 AM

Jeri

It could have been the gardener, ruining my tree, and digging up my beautiful plant, albeit by mistake, or the person who upset my daughter the other night, why must it be read as being about me! Some people are just so short sighted. It doesn't necessarily look the way its reads! Don't jump to conclusions, that's just too easy and what most people tend to do. There is no escape! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: rock chick
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 07:54 AM

I would go back to a small pub in a beautiful place and go through everything again, I would not change that bit of time for anything, in fact I would stop time for that moment.

rc

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:09 PM

"Positively 4th Street" by Bob Dylan

You got a lotta nerve
To say you are my friend
When I was down
You just stood there grinning

You got a lotta nerve
To say you got a helping hand to lend
You just want to be on
The side that's winning

You say I let you down
You know it's not like that
If you're so hurt
Why then don't you show it

You say you lost your faith
But that's not where it's at
You had no faith to lose
And you know it

I know the reason
That you talk behind my back
I used to be among the crowd
You're in with

Do you take me for such a fool
To think I'd make contact
With the one who tries to hide
What he don't know to begin with

You see me on the street
You always act surprised
You say, "How are you?" "Good luck"
But you don't mean it

When you know as well as me
You'd rather see me paralyzed
Why don't you just come out once
And scream it

No, I do not feel that good
When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
If I was a master thief
Perhaps I'd rob them

And now I know you're dissatisfied
With your position and your place
Don't you understand
It's not my problem

I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 06:02 PM

Every story has two sides. I have always liked that song by Dylan because we all have times we could sing it. And usually so could the 'other' person we're singing it to/for/about.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Soldier boy
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 06:42 PM

There have been too many instances of tweeking and changing the true historical calendar over the eons for religious and political reasons so you would never be able to set the dials correctly to any specific time.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Soldier boy
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 06:54 PM

However, if it could work I would only ask for the one journey.
That would be to meet GOD and praise him for creating such a wonderful planet and then ask him why he put such warring, mixed-up, suicidal, fault-ridden beings in charge of it.