Regulation: fees for internet streaming

Subject: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:56 PM

I hear there is recent regulation or legistation
which threatens to double fees for those who use
music streaming on the internet. This also may be
retro=active, so might be more like triple the
current rates.

I do not have any direct links, but just hear-say.

Anyone out ther have any info, ideas, etc.?

This is likely to cause an uproar..
internet radio stations will not like this,
and listeners may eventually be asked to
pay to listen. This could be a problem.

Will the musicians really get more money
for the use of their music? If so, there
may be an advantage for them (us) but who
will regulate this, and who will enforce?

Sounds like a can of worms, a Pandora's box..

what have you heard?

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: Amos
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:55 PM

I would guess it isn't going to happen.

There are rumors like this every now and then that are unanchored in reality -- for example, a new Bill that will charge every one 6 cents per email sent or received. Total fiction.

I would go to Snopes.com first thing if you thought it might have some sort of substance.


A

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:26 AM

It appears to be real. Also verified by a friend who works for a non-profit that keeps their eyes on such things (Media Access Project)

-- GAry

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: stevep
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 12:26 PM

Yes, it is true. The problem is SoundExchange, who collect fees in the USA on behalf of the record companies. They have been allowed to increase their fees dramatically, with further increases for the next few years, and backdated to Jan 06.

There is an appeal procedure, but it is not looking good. Most internet stations, which are often run as a hobby, look doomed if they are licenced in the USA.

Here in the UK, it has always been too expensive, with ridiculous reporting requirements (how many times has each song been played, how many people were listening, and which countries were they in?)

Enjoy them while you can.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: deadfrett
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:43 AM

For those of us who enjoy internet radio streamimg, the Copyright Royalty Board is trying to hose us royaly. This is going to effect over 50 million listeners and screw a lot of servers, NPR included. If your concerned about this issue, go to www.folkalley.com for more info and websites to contact state and federal representatives We need to act NOW. Dave

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: Deckman
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:50 AM

This is slightly off the subject, but only slightly. I have been watching the issue of various state governments attempting to get a "legal tax" on internet use. If they succeed, and I'm dedicated to their failure, the tax rewards could be enourmouse. This issue you raise might just be a "foor in the door."

Sorry if I caused a "thread creep!" Bob

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:59 AM

Actually I think it will backfire - it will 'kill the goose that laid the golden egg'

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: Deckman
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:20 AM

I meant "FOOT in the door"!

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:49 AM

I thought you meant a 'foor in the doot'!

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: Deckman
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:55 AM

Actually ... I did!

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:57 AM

Aw.... you're jes' makin' that up!

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:14 PM

yes, this is an actual threat to internet streaming music,
which is unfolding at this time.

here are some links...

www.savethestreams.org

www.petitiononline.com/sir2007r/petition.html

please post any others you might find. thank you.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:19 PM

Sincerely sorry to burst your paranoid bubble re: to double fees for those who use music streaming on the internet

My friends, and I have been using IPOD and Streaming for over four years. Our fees have been ZERO

Now recognizing that not all Mudcatters have passed their exams.....Zero doubled also equals Zero.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

The raw egg in beer with tomatoe juice has not worked....please place next year's leprochans beneath the lily pads in the garden.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:39 AM

I repeat, the Copyright Royalty Board ( a three-member panel
under the Library of Congress) has issued a regulation
regarding internet radio streamimg,

and if you check the news, NPR and other broadcasters
have filed a motion to reverse this ruling.

http://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/$rol.exe/headline_id=b9739

this is not a paranoid fantasy, but a real report of an actual
braking news story

http://www.chicoer.com/newshome/ci_5469284

this is specific to on-line, web-streaming radio.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: eddie1
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 12:58 PM

If you have a look at this and scroll through their archives, you can read the whole story.

http://www.kurthanson.com/

Eddie

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 07:31 PM

You ave misreprested yourselves in this thread. The material we have podcast for over four years is original.

Hell yeah YOU ARE in Violation!!!!

Use ORIGINAL material (do not rob royalties from writers)do not steal copyrighted stuff for broadcast (however, bumper music is acceptable as "bumper music" with attribution on your website)

A half-retard-pre-schooler could "produce" Disney songs for 55 minutes an hour with what you expect.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

real production, by real people, has real opportunity if this law becomes reality.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: eddie1
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:12 AM

For some reason,Gargoyle seems quite desperate to shout about how clever he is compared with us mortals – Oh well.

Stevep. You're right about charges imposed on us in the UK already – and that's for terrestrial radio. This latest news will affect us as well. I do a couple of shows each week on a local university radio station in the UK but our streaming is done through a US company – a privilege for which we pay. This charge is set to increase dramatically and with our budget we are likely to have to stop streaming.

One thing I don't understand and would appreciate clarification, is if, as is often the case, there is a limit on the number of internet users who can listen at any one time, should the new charges not be based on that figure?

Neither I, nor the station as a whole, have any wish to avoid paying royalties to artistes/composers, merely to pay a realistic rate based on number of actual internet listeners rather than some kind of mythical potential audience.

Eddie

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 12:43 AM

Many of the recordings played on our radio station are donated by the record labels...we do the service of broadcasting their artists' work and in so doing are helping the record-buying public to be informed about what is available. The record labels are happy to provide material
for our programming and we, in turn, are happy to announce the details of artist, label, and contact information so that customers can acquire the recordings. This is a natural practice of the recording and broad-
casting "industries" and we also have calendar announcements to let
people know where and when they can attend live performances. Many
sales of recordings take place at concerts, and it helps the performers
to have as many people as possible know about and attend concerts.

a pod cast is quite different from a public radio station .

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 01:18 AM

Gargoyle, as usual, has his pod stuck in an inappropriate place.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 04:15 AM

He's quiet right now. Maybe he's off podunking...

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 11 May 07 - 08:05 PM

update--bills introduced in both house and senate..
contact your representative to request that they
support internet radio
http://www.savenetradio.org

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 May 07 - 08:15 PM

http://www.savenetradio.org

I will call mine on Monday, Laurel, thanks for keeping us up to date on this.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 11 May 07 - 09:20 PM

CALL YOUR SENATORS AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVE NOW TO ASK
THEM TO CO-SPONSOR THE INTERNET RADIO EQUALITY ACT,
S. 1353 IN THE SENATE AND
H.R. 2060 IN THE HOUSE


If you are in the U.S. please make your voice heard.
There is a link on the save net radio page to find
numbers of your representatives in case you do not
have them. This is a chance to make democracy work.

here is more info:
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/004364.html

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:22 PM

JUST ABOUT 2 MONTHS LEFT UNTIL JULY 15
this is not a joke...

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 May 07 - 07:42 PM

Just out of curiosity...what do they intend to do about podcasts originating in, say, India or China?

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:22 PM

I see we discussed this a couple of years ago the last time there
was a threat to endanger the streaming of music.

Today you might notice an eerie silence on many of internet
streaming shows. This is a protest against the upcoming fees
and an inspiration for us all to speak out in support of on
line music. see www.savenetradio.org for info and help.

JUNE 26 HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS A DAY OF SILENCE

Please take the time to find out more and take a stand.
thank you.

The intent of the upcoming regulations was to re-imburse
artists for their music, but this will only happen for
artists who have agents, record labels and commercial
networks to distribute such fees. Independent musicians
will be penalized by making it harder to get their music
heard as some of the smaller, independent, grass roots
non-corporate community radio stations find it difficult
to afford to broadcast online any more.

Subject: RE: Regulation: fees for internet streaming
From: open mike
Date: 26 Jun 07 - 04:41 PM

here is our previous thread
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=47228