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29 Mar 07 - 08:01 AM (#2010492) Subject: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Richard Bridge It seems that Elixir prohibit all their US distributors from shipping Elixir string abroad. Typically, Elixir strings are about half the price in the USA that they are in the UK. This clearly indicates an anti-competitive practice (market partitioning, to keep proces up) of a type that would be likely to be illegal in the EU. Your views (heric, INOBU, and other US lawyers in particular)..... |
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29 Mar 07 - 09:03 AM (#2010543) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Midchuck You guys go broke buying guitars and strings while we get them at a more reasonable cost. We go broke buying prescription medications while you get them at a more reasonable cost. It all averages out. Everybody gets it in some end. Peter. |
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29 Mar 07 - 10:16 AM (#2010656) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Dave Hanson It's worse than that Midchuck, at age 60 [ me ] all your drugs are FREE. Having said that I can buy D'Addario J74 mandolin strings direct from the USA at a third of the UK cost, why not Elixir ? eric |
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29 Mar 07 - 06:04 PM (#2011132) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: mandotim Simple answer; hook up with a buddy in the USA, have the strings shipped there, then shipped to the UK. Nothing illegal, as long as you pay any duty due (usually waived if the value is under $30). Any US 'catters want to ship Elixirs to deserving UK players? Not for me; I already have a source... Tim |
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30 Mar 07 - 04:18 AM (#2011506) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: GUEST,chris Don't use Elixirs chris |
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30 Mar 07 - 04:54 AM (#2011537) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: George Papavgeris You mean all those emails I get every day advertising this or that elixir are not for guitar strings? Yet I do remember "g strings" being mentioned. Oh, well, I'd better cancel all those orders. |
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30 Mar 07 - 05:30 AM (#2011555) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: The Fooles Troupe I suppose you have a BIG Songbook now too George... :-) |
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30 Mar 07 - 05:44 AM (#2011570) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: George Papavgeris I wish, Robin, I wish... I just have to do the best I can with what I have :-) |
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30 Mar 07 - 05:49 AM (#2011576) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: The Fooles Troupe Perhaps you need to turn over a new Page, mate.... |
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30 Mar 07 - 07:11 AM (#2011619) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Bob Bolton G'day all you pluckers, Buy your strings ... and post them off safely to your mates in the Old Dart - but don't even think of putting 'em in your hand luggage if you're flying to Australia: Fear Fiddlers Flying - Jobsworth thread. Hell! Little Johnnie's jobsworth brigade have to keep Australia safe from terrorists like you! Regard(fully)... Bob Bolton |
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30 Mar 07 - 08:13 AM (#2011661) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Strollin' Johnny Well I've bought them from the US. Is this something new that's going on? |
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30 Mar 07 - 08:23 AM (#2011669) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Richard Bridge I think, Johnny, you have been lucky. |
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30 Mar 07 - 10:55 AM (#2011808) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Strollin' Johnny Or unlucky, depending on whether you like Elixirs or not! I've given them up in favour of the infinitely superior Newtone Masterclass PB Custom Lights. :-) |
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30 Mar 07 - 11:02 AM (#2011818) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: dwditty I knew I disliked Elixirs for a reason. dw |
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30 Mar 07 - 12:35 PM (#2011898) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Q (Frank Staplin) Try and you are sure to find someone willing to ship. A probable is: http://www.bananas.com/index.asp/category_Guitar/subcategoryid_1 and click on guitar strings. Elixir acoustic strings on sale there. Also try http://stringsandbeyond.com/elixir-guitar-strings.html They ship to UK. Of course you are aware that your package may be assessed UK sales taxes and customs duties if applicable. |
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30 Mar 07 - 01:31 PM (#2011947) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: GUEST,Ray Weren't Elixirs invented in Scotland? I thought they were part of the Gore empire - makers of Goretex and breathable bagpipe bladders! |
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30 Mar 07 - 02:56 PM (#2012011) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: John Hardly Elixir -- how my male cat shows my female cat that he likes her. |
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30 Mar 07 - 04:03 PM (#2012064) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Big Mick John ...... your cat didn't come up with that. It's how I got my second wi........ never mind. Bad Mick. |
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30 Mar 07 - 04:09 PM (#2012068) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: John Hardly Mick ..... Most wives come with strings. |
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30 Mar 07 - 05:00 PM (#2012100) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Richard Bridge Well pro tem I have just put some Newtones on my second best Hagstrom, and I don't like them as much as elixirs. Too smooth. Not enough bite |
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31 Mar 07 - 02:40 PM (#2012756) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Strollin' Johnny No accounting for taste! LOL! |
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31 Mar 07 - 03:09 PM (#2012768) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: jacqui.c I do the transatlantic hop on a regular basis and my daughter is coming out to Maine in July. If anyone wants to order these and have them sent to me I'm pretty sure my daughter can take them back in her luggage. PM me if you're interested. |
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31 Mar 07 - 03:58 PM (#2012808) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: JohnInKansas Numerous kinds of technology are subject to export restrictions by the US, and to import restrictions of various kinds by other localities. It's also possible that the mfr has been threatened with suits over a mfg process for which a patent is claimed somewhere but isn't valid/recognized in the US. Taxes/duties, etc., may just be too much a hassle for the company to want to mess with them. It's also fairly plausible that a seller/distrubutor might claim that it's a manufacturer's policy to prohibit something that the distributor doesn't want to be bothered with doing. A manufacturer might also not want to export a product to a countries that fail to support their own US patents or copyrights, or that support/permit counterfeit production. Most likely, if this export limitation actually exists, is that the manufacturer just doesn't like you. Perhaps you should give some serious thought to what offensive things you have done to provoke them to this attitude, and should take steps to improve your image - or at least to dissociate your country/region from more obviously objectionable ones with whom the company might have categorized you. Quite obviously there is a need for an investigation, and quite possibly for the consideration of international sanctions to encourage treaties/amendments to facilitate more open trade. Have you contacted the UN? John |
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31 Mar 07 - 04:43 PM (#2012836) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: 14fret Could be British distibutors have asked them not to? |
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01 Apr 07 - 02:18 AM (#2013170) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Richard Bridge You are all being very silly |
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01 Apr 07 - 05:46 AM (#2013236) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: The Fooles Troupe What? us, Silly?!!! |
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01 Apr 07 - 06:40 AM (#2013258) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Dave Hanson Stop this NOW, it's getting very silly. off you go, your'e not even a proper woman eric |
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01 Apr 07 - 05:13 PM (#2013768) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: The Fooles Troupe No more silly than what has been reported in the original post... :-P |
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02 Apr 07 - 07:45 AM (#2014251) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: GUEST,Black Hawk Around 9 months ago Elderly Instruments told me they were not allowed (by Elixir)to ship to U.K. I changed the order to D'Addario. |
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02 Apr 07 - 01:49 PM (#2014517) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Richard Bridge I don't like the D'Addario EXPs - they seem to die just as quickly as(but more expensively than) uncoated strings. |
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03 Apr 07 - 10:27 AM (#2015291) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Pete_Standing I agree Richard. I tried the EXPs and thought they were no better than the uncoated strings. I'll continue to get my Elixirs from the local music shops. More expensive I know, but I get a friendly service and sometimes some deals because they know me and value my custom. |
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03 Apr 07 - 10:48 AM (#2015307) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: John Hardly to each hizone, I guess, but I love the EXPs and don't find them dying fast. |
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03 Apr 07 - 11:30 AM (#2015322) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: Richard Bridge I'd really like to support my local music shop, but he used not to stock elixirs, and is now charging £15 for a set when, if I can get them from the US, they are half that. |
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01 May 07 - 01:20 PM (#2040465) Subject: RE: Anti-competitive practice by Elixir From: GUEST,Frug Stringbusters offer elixirs at £10.40 plus a small postage charge www.stringbusters.com Frank |