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30 Mar 07 - 03:10 PM (#2012021) Subject: Help with an kid's song fragment From: DADGBE "Tiddly um, tiddly um, tiddly um tum tum tum tum, We're the younger generation and the future of our na-a-a- tion." Does anybody remember anything more about this fragment that's been kicking around in my tortured brain since forever?! Are there verses? Did anybody record it? Any and all help would be appreciated but hurry before my senior moments take over completely. |
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30 Mar 07 - 03:12 PM (#2012025) Subject: RE: Help with an kid's song fragment From: GUEST,meself No, don't know it - must say, those lyrics are pretty catchy, though! |
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30 Mar 07 - 03:20 PM (#2012030) Subject: RE: Help with an kid's song fragment From: Azizi I remember this song from junior high school {Atlantic City, New Jersey, early 1960s}. I recently posted the words to this song on another thread, though I don't remember which one. And if I ever knew who wrote this song, or who recorded it, I can't remember that either. But I have happy memories of singing this song with a select group of choir members at a school concert. Here's the words as I remember them: If I eat too much jam mother look how young I am. Parents dear, please recall that at one time you were small. If I'm hard on my clothes and I do not wipe my nose. Parents dear, isn't it true. You were that way too. Tiddle um Tiddle um Tiddle um tum tum tum tum. We're the younger generation and the future of the nation. -snip- There's probably more words to this moderately tempo song. I'd also love to know more about it. |
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30 Mar 07 - 03:23 PM (#2012033) Subject: RE: Help with an kid's song fragment From: MMario from a google search it appears to be "Younger Generation" music by Aaron Copeland and lyrics by Ira Gershwin. But I can't find the lyrics It was in the film 'North Star' |
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30 Mar 07 - 03:48 PM (#2012050) Subject: RE: Help with an kid's song fragment From: DADGBE Ah, finally some further bits - MMario, that Copeland/Gershwin song may be the right song or not. I don't know yet. Do you have any more info on it? Azizi, yup, that's the one! A bit of research found it on Folkways FC7628 'Camp Songs' by Pete Seeger, Erik Darling and the song swappers. It's availabe as a doownload from Smithsonian Folkways. |
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30 Mar 07 - 03:51 PM (#2012053) Subject: RE: Help with an kid's song fragment From: MMario well - the Gershwin tune (1943) also includes "I eat too much jam" - so I suspect that the camp song came from it; especially as it appears the movie was widely distributed on TV in the 60's |
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30 Mar 07 - 05:45 PM (#2012136) Subject: ADD: Younger Generation (Ira Gershwin) From: Joe Offer Yup, it's an Ira Gershwin song. This is from The Complete Lyrics of Ira Gershwin. YOUNGER GENERATION (Ira Gershwin, 1943) If I eat too much jam Mother look how young I am; Father dear, please recall That at one time you were small. If I'm hard on my clothes And I do not wipe my nose, Parents dear, please recall That at one time you were small. Tiddle-ee-um Tiddle-ee-um, Tiddle-ee-um, tum, tum, tum, tum. We're the younger generation and the future of the nation. If I look, as I pass, Into every looking glass, Parents mine, have no fears, Just go back some twenty years. If I play out of doors And don't help with kitchen chores, Parents mine, have no fears, Just go back some twenty years. Tiddle-ee-um Tiddle-ee-um... If to school I am late, Please don't scold and agitate; Parents dear. isn't it true, One time you were that way too? If I make too much noise And I hit back at the boys. Parents dear, isn't it true, One time you were that way too. Tiddle-ee-um Tiddle-ee-um... Parents dear, use your tact. If you don't like how we act, Do not fret, do not mourn - Is it our fault we were born? Please forgive all we do For someday we'll suffer, too, When in turn we shall groan At some children of our own. Tiddle-ee-um Tiddle-ee-um..... published 1943. Music adapted from a traditional Russian melody. Earlier title: "How Young I Am" from the 1943 movie, The North Star. www.settling-the-score.com says this:
That being said, with its topnotch cast (including Walter Huston, Anne Baxter, Walter Brennan, Erich von Stroheim, Dana Andrews and newcomer Farley Granger) and a typically first rate production from producer Samuel Goldwyn, the film is an interesting cross between war film and operetta. And therein lies the fascination for film score fans. Aaron Copland's score features familiar harmonies that sound as much at home on the American plains as they do on the Ukrainian steppes. Copland based the songs for the first half of the film on authentic Russian folk songs. Ira Gershwin provided the lyrics and the results are interesting to say the least. The songs and dances were added much to Hellman's displeasure. To prove that her screenplay was not a libretto, she published her script herself. The "Song of the Guerillas" provides the most stirring melody and plays a significant role in Copland's vigorous underscoring as the villagers fight back against the Nazis.of the battle scenes. Variety praised the score as "further indication of the advancing maturity of film music....The music based on Russian themes is so authentic as to be capable of deceiving even the experts into thinking them genuine." Elliott Carter wrote: "At every point, the intelligence and the personal elevation of Copland's music is recognizable." The New York World-Telegram called it "some of the finest movie music of the season. Aaron Copland has caught a folk song (though not particularly Russian) quality in his music." PM magazine claimed that Copland's score "will be more talked of than his scores for Of Mice and Men and Our Town," but it has been forgotten over the years, much like the film. Because Copland did not arrange an orchestral suite of the music, as he did for portions of the two earlier films, the music has been absent from the concert hall. "Song of the Guerrillas," "Younger Generation," and "No Village Like Mine" were published as vocal works, but they have not become part of the standard repertoire. It wasn't until 2001 that a suite from the film was first heard. As conductor Jonathan Sheffer says in his CD liner notes for Celluloid Copland, which includes the suite, "Copland's music...takes the artistic high ground, supplying Russian-flavored heroic choruses and battle scenes of the likes of Prokofiev's music for Alexander Nevsky." Though The North Star was a hit financially, time was not kind to it. Along with Song of Russia and Mission To Moscow, it was part of a trio of propaganda films that came under fire from the House Un-American Activities Committee. Following the war, when relations with the Soviet Union had turned to ice, The North Star was re-edited with a less favorable view toward the Russians and retitled Armored Attack, making this strange film even stranger. I guarantee you there is no other film quite like The North Star. And Aaron Copland's score adds to the unique quality of this one-of-a-kind film. Also see the NY Times film review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2KZXO1psNc |
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30 Mar 07 - 08:38 PM (#2012240) Subject: RE: kid song fragment-Younger Generation(Ira Gersh From: DADGBE The mystery is solved. Many thanks to MMario, Azizi and Joe Offer. Now meself and I know more than we did. Mudcat's the best! |
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13 Oct 12 - 08:53 AM (#3419105) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Younger Generation (Ira Gershwin) From: GUEST,henterpriser Our glee club and FSU sang this Gershwin song. |
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22 Jul 17 - 07:08 PM (#3867786) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Younger Generation (Ira Gershwin) From: GUEST,Lea Thanks, all. I've loved this song since teenage-er-dom. |
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22 Jul 17 - 07:41 PM (#3867791) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Younger Generation (Ira Gershwin) From: Joe Offer This YouTube video says "Music adapted from a traditional Russian melody":It's from the 1943 film, The North Star |
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14 Apr 18 - 10:50 AM (#3917243) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Younger Generation (Ira Gershwin) From: GUEST First learned this song circa 1948 at Hessian Hills School in Croton-on-Hudson, NY but had forgotten most of the lyrics until I saw them on this thread. |
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08 May 20 - 03:21 PM (#4051286) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Younger Generation (Ira Gershwin) From: GUEST "The North Star" is being broadcast on the MUBI channel now (mid-May 2020) and is, to say the least, unusual. The beginning reminded me of the "The Wizard of Oz" Munchkin City scenes. When the kids skipping down the Yellow Brick Road to Kiev break into "If I eat too much jam, mother look how young I am" I was both embarrassed and delighted, as I'd heard the song from my younger sister (mid-1960s NYC public schools), and never again. I don't think I lasted to the battle scenes at the very end of the movie, but the Russian folk dances didn't sound any more Russian than this song, which was American enough to be sung in schools and camps (but socialist enough to have been embraced by Peter Seeger). |