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Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??

16 Apr 07 - 05:48 PM (#2027275)
Subject: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Jim Lad

Where's the best place to find copyrights for Celticky Folky songs?


16 Apr 07 - 05:58 PM (#2027287)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: GUEST,Joe Offer

Here's a pretty good place, Jim. First, use the Filter and try to find if there's a thread on the song that you can post your question to. If not, start a new thread.
-Joe Offer, at work-


16 Apr 07 - 06:27 PM (#2027322)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Jim Lad

Thanks Joe: There are a few and some of my searches bring me right back to Mudcat threads. "Air Fa La La Lo" is an example. I just had a thought that maybe some Governing Body keeps a catalogue of what is and isn't in the public domain?!!


16 Apr 07 - 08:08 PM (#2027372)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Malcolm Douglas

Yes, lots do. See the vast number of earlier 'copyright' threads where people ask the same question, though usually without mentioning what country they are in (on which the answer depends).

In the case of 'Air Falalalo', the tune is traditional but the words are by Hugh S Roberton, US copyright 1938. Roberton died in 1952, so copyright will not yet have lapsed.


17 Apr 07 - 03:00 AM (#2027554)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca

Depends on whether you sing the Gaelic or English version. The Gaelic one would be Trad


17 Apr 07 - 01:20 PM (#2027930)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: GUEST

For Ireland you might try the Irish Traditional Music Archive in Merrion Square Dublin
Jim Carroll


17 Apr 07 - 01:24 PM (#2027936)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Jim Lad

You mean Roberton didn't create this from thin Air?


17 Apr 07 - 02:23 PM (#2027993)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: GUEST

Celticky ???? Eughhhh.


17 Apr 07 - 02:25 PM (#2027996)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: MMario

well - I think we all know (at least vaguely) what he means. - but since "celtic' is more or less meaningless when applied to music, at least as the industry applies it; making a mish-mash of the term really doesn't make much diffence, does it?


17 Apr 07 - 02:28 PM (#2027998)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: Captain Ginger

I've seen June Tabor and Eliza Carthy pigeonholed as 'Celtic' before. A very lazy adjective.


17 Apr 07 - 03:01 PM (#2028027)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: GUEST,meself

What, lazy?! From the industry that gave us 'self-titled' and 'covered' and ... (help me out here, people) ...


17 Apr 07 - 04:34 PM (#2028117)
Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: Jim Lad

Sorry guys. The title is in jest, the question, sincere. I'm a Celt. I can do that.
The reason for asking in the first place is that it really sticks in my craw to give some collector credit for songs which he has merely translated and adapted. I could go out tomorrow and adapt any number of songs from the Romance Languages. That doesn't make them mine. If all Hugh Roberton did in 1938 was to re-arrange a Gaelic song, why shouldn't it be public domain?
Malcolm: I'm in Canada.