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21 Apr 07 - 12:36 PM (#2032017) Subject: Lyr Req: Cheapside From: grumpy al does anyone have the words for a song called cheapside ? the only version I know of is by the Bully Wee band Thanx Grumpy |
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21 Apr 07 - 12:56 PM (#2032029) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside From: Mr Happy is it this one @displaysong.cfm?SongID=8262 ? |
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21 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM (#2032167) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside From: Malcolm Douglas If the late Peter Kennedy's lists are accurate (and they aren't always), then it's probably 'George Barnwell' (number 546 in the Roud Folk Song Index) rather than 'Rigs of London Town' (Roud 968); of course, both mention Cheapside, but so did lots of songs. When asking about a song it's helpful if you tell us a little about it: do you remember any words? What was it about? The sort of thing that will save people wasting time looking up blind alleys. If it is 'Barnwell', then presumably 'Bully Wee' used the tune that Sandra Kerr set to it, as no traditional tune seems to have been preserved. Alfred Williams printed a set of words in Folk-Songs of the Upper Thames in 1923, commenting '"Georgie Barnell" was well known around the Cotswolds and Thames generally.' It seems to have been a 19th century "stage cockney" parody of a rather older (and much longer) song. For broadside editions from the mid 17th into the early 19th century, see Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads [An excellent ballad of] George Barnwel [an apprentice of London, who was undone by a strumpet] The two prints by Keys of Devonport are the C19 parody, and evidently the source of the Williams text. Have a look; if it's something completely different, drop by and give us a clue or two. |
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22 Apr 07 - 01:44 PM (#2032707) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside From: grumpy al thanks for the help, if I remember correctly the first verse is somthing like... on cheapside there lived a merchant he was a man of noted fame he had a youth apprenticed to him georgie bardle was his name but that is as mutch as i can rember any further help would be good thanks Grumpy |
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22 Apr 07 - 01:51 PM (#2032715) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside From: Malcolm Douglas It's definitely a form of 'George Barnwell', then. As I say, I expect that 'Bully Wee' got it from Sandra Kerr and the Critics Group; where they got it I don't know. |
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22 Apr 07 - 02:12 PM (#2032726) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside From: grumpy al Thanx MD I can look other sources then Grumps |
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25 Apr 07 - 07:31 AM (#2035195) Subject: Lyr Add: GEORGE BARNWELL / GEORGY BARNWELL From: Jim Dixon Google Book Search found this in "The Quaver: Or, Songster's Pocket Companion" by Quaver, London: Charles Jones, Aldermanbury, 1844, page 298. The original was written in dialect (e.g. "vicked voman") but I figure no one would sing it that way today, would they? So I changed everything to modern standard spelling: GEORGE BARNWELL In Cheapside there lived a merchant. A man he was of very great fame, And he had a handsome 'prentice. Georgy Barnwell was his name. Fol de riddle, &c. This youth he was both good and pious, Dutiful beyond all doubt, And he always stayed within doors 'Cause his master wouldn't let him go out. A wicked woman of the town, sir, On him cast a wishful eye, And she came in the shop one morning A flannel petticoat to buy. When she had paid him down the money, She gave his hand a very hard squeeze, Which so frightened Georgy Barnwell That together knocked his knees. Then she left her card whereon was written "Mary Millwood does entreat That Master Barnwell would call and see her At No. 2 in Dyot Street." Now as soon as he had shut the shop up, He went to this naughty dickybird, And when that he went home next morning, Blow me if he could speak a word. Now soon this woman did persuade him With her fascinating pipes To go down into the country And let loose his uncle's tripes. There he found his uncle in the grove, sir, Studying hard at his good books, And Georgy Barnwell went and stuck him All among the crows and rooks. When Millwood found he'd got no money, Not so much as to buy a jewel, She went that very day and peached him. Now was not that hair (?) very cruel? At her fate no one lamented, But everybody pitied his'n When out come the cruel hangman To put the cord about his wizen. The merchant's daughter died soon after. Tears she shed but spoke no words; So all young men, I pray take warning: Don't go with the naughty dickybirds. [As Malcolm Douglas pointed out, this is a parody of an older, much longer, and much more serious murder ballad.] |
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17 May 07 - 08:38 PM (#2055067) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: GUEST,Paul in Canada Just wondering if anyone can suggest some chords for this one. Keep em simple to match me talent please. Thanks |
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17 May 07 - 10:12 PM (#2055110) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: Malcolm Douglas That would depend on somebody knowing what the tune was. So far nobody has volunteered that information. Since the whole point of the parody was that it was a parody, posting a text with the bulk of the parodic elements removed seems a little odd to me. Cockney dialect no longer pronounces w as v (or vice versa) but surely it is better to provide (presumably for the minority who are unable to read the broadside copy I provided a link to earlier) a faithfully transcribed text about which people can make their own decisions, instead of having those prescribed for them? |
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18 May 07 - 03:43 PM (#2055811) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: grumpy al Jim thanx for the words you're a 'kin genius. well done Grumpy |
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18 May 07 - 04:25 PM (#2055841) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: The Borchester Echo I have Georgy Barnwell and all the rest dubbed from the original vinyl (which was on the point of wearing out) but didn't think, in those days, of preserving all the notes so don't know where the tune came from. Sweet Thames Flow Softly, the follow-up Argo LP, has been reissued on CD but A Merry Progress To London has not yet (unless I've missed it). Why not ask Sandra Kerr direct? |
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19 May 07 - 03:27 AM (#2056209) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy. From: Kevin Sheils My copy of the vinyl is on loan to a friend (along with the notes) but as soon as I get it back I'll see if there is a reference for the tune. I've been singing it myself since the early 70's but, as is common the tune may have "slightly" altered from Sandra's over the years. |
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05 Jul 09 - 10:18 AM (#2672005) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: Richard Mellish I was looking at this thread recently and then had a chance to speak to Sandra Kerr at C# House yesterday. She told me that the words were the version from Folk-Songs of the Upper Thames (which explains the absence of some of the verses in the broadside) and that the tune was written by MacColl. She agreed with my view that part of the appeal of the song, in this version, is the unfinished feeling at the end of the tune, leaving you hanging in the air, and likewise of the story. Richard |
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29 Sep 11 - 12:37 PM (#3231158) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: GUEST,Peter O'Connor In the late '70's early '80's we had a band based in Amsterdam called 'Sin É' Gaelic for That's It. Kevin Beggan of Dublin sang it - a fairly lively version that never failed to please - though I often thought that the story of the song went over the head of most of the audience. For health reasons he doesn't sing anymore but I've taken a fancy to the song - and along with another Solvey (a Romanian song I believe) I take a break from by fiddle and sing along with the mandolin. Georgie Barnwell is eminently suited for the twanging of the mandolin and makes my music-hall version seem fairly authentic sounding - if I dare be so bold. There's another old English song I'm after - The Molecatcher. A bit like the German Clockwinder of the Dublin balladeers. Any hints, tips, links to the Molecatcher - I'd be grateful for and can be reached via my website www.glenribbeen.com |
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04 Oct 11 - 06:09 PM (#3233928) Subject: Lyr Add: GEORGE BARNWELL From: Jim Dixon From A Collection of Songs and Ballads Relative to the London Prentices and Trades; And to the Affairs of London Generally by Charles Mackay (London: Percy Society, 1841), page 35: [You can see the original broadside at The Bodleian collection where it is said to date "between 1682 and 1707."] GEORGE BARNWELL. An apology may be necessary for the reproduction here of a ballad so well known as "George Barnwell;" and the only apology that can be offered is, that a collection relating to London and London Prentices would be incomplete without it. In the introduction given to it in Percy's Reliques, the bishop states that this tragical ballad seems to relate to a real fact, but when it happened he had not been able to discover. No further light has since been thrown upon the matter. The title of the ballad, as taken by Percy from the Ashmole Collection, at Oxford, is "An excellent Ballad of George Barnwell, an Apprentice of London, who thrice robbed his master, and Murdered his Uncle, at Ludlow. To the Tune of 'The Merchant.'" The well-known play of "George Barnwell," written by Lillo, and produced by him in or shortly prior to 1730, was until very recently annually brought forward on the metropolitan boards at holiday time, as an example to the idle youths that then flocked to the theatres; but it now seems to be discarded altogether, and bids fair to become obsolete. It is said of a recent worthy chamberlain of the city, that he never failed when an apprentice was bound before him, to relate the sad story of George Barnwell, and quote some lines of the ballad, as a warning to him. THE FIRST PART. 1. All youth of fair England That dwell both far and near, Regard my story that I tell, And to my song give ear. 2. A London lad I was, A merchant's prentice bound; My name George Barnwell; that did spend My master many a pound, 3. Take heed of harlots then, And their enticing trains; For by that means I have been brought To hang alive in chains. 4. As I, upon a day, Was walking through the street About my master's business, A wanton I did meet. 5. A gallant dainty dame, And sumptuous in attire; With smiling look she greeted me, And did my name require. 6. Which when I had declar'd, She gave me then a kiss, And said, if I would come to her, I should have more than this. 7. Fair mistress, then quoth I, If I the place may know, This evening I will be with you, For I abroad must go, 8. To gather monies in, That are my master's due: And ere that I do home return, I'll come and visit you. 9. Good Barnwell, then quoth she, Do thou to Shoreditch come, And ask for Mrs. Millwood's house, Next door unto the Gun. 10. And trust me on my truth, If thou keep touch with me, My dearest friend, as my own heart Thou shalt right welcome be. 11. Thus parted we in peace, And home I passed right; Then went abroad, and gathered in, By six o'clock at night, 12. An hundred pound and one: With bag under my arm I went to Mrs. Millwood's house, And thought on little harm; 13. And knocking at the door, Straightway herself came down; Rustling in most brave attire, With hood and silken gown. 14. Who, through her beauty bright, So gloriously did shine, That she amaz'd my dazzling eyes, She seemed so divine. 15. She took me by the hand, And with a modest grace Welcome, sweet Barnwell, then quoth she, Unto this homely place. 16. And since I have thee found As good as thy word to be: A homely supper, ere we part, Thou shalt take here with me. 17. O pardon me, quoth I, Fair mistress, I you pray; For why, out of my master's house, So long I dare not stay. 18. Alas, good sir, she said, Are you so strictly ty'd, You may not with your dearest friend One hour or two abide? 19. Faith, then the case is hard; If it be so, quoth she, I would I were a prentice bound, To live along with thee: 20. Therefore, my dearest George, List well what I shall say, And do not blame a woman much, Her fancy to bewray. 21. Let not affection's force Be counted lewd desire; Nor think it not immodesty, I should thy love require. 22. With that she turn'd aside, And with a blushing red, A mournful motion she bewray'd By hanging down her head. 23. A handkerchief she had All wrought with silk and gold: Which she to stay her trickling tears Before her eyes did hold. 24. This thing unto my sight Was wondrous rare and strange; And in my soul and inward thought It wrought a sudden change: 25. That I so hardy grew, To take her by the hand: Saying, Sweet mistress, why do you So dull and pensive stand? 26. Call me no mistress now, But Sarah, thy true friend, Thy servant, Millwood, honouring thee, Until her life hath end. 27. If thou wouldst here alledge, Thou art in years a boy; So was Adonis, yet was he Fair Venus' only joy. 28. Thus I, who ne'er before Of woman found such grace, But seeing now so fair a dame Give me a kind embrace, 29. I supt with her that night, With joys that did abound; And for the same paid presently, In Money twice three pound, 30. An hundred kisses then, For my farewel she gave; Crying, Sweet Barnwell, when shall I Again thy company have? 31. O stay not hence too long, Sweet George, have me in mind. Her words bewitcht my childishness, She uttered them so kind: 32. So that I made a vow, Next Sunday without fail, With my sweet Sarah once again To tell some pleasant tale. 33. When she heard me say so, The tears fell from her eye; O George, quoth she, if thou dost fail, Thy Sarah sure will dye. 34. Though long, yet loe! at last, The appointed day was come, That I must with my Sarah meet; Having a mighty sum 35. Of money in my hand,* Unto her house went I, Whereas my love upon her bed In saddest sort did lye. 36. What ails my heart's delight, My Sarah dear? quoth I; Let not my love lament and grieve, Nor sighing pine, and dye. 37. But tell me, dearest friend, What may thy woes amend, And thou shalt lack no means of help, Though forty pound I spend. 38. With that she turn'd her head, And sickly thus did say, Oh me, sweet George, my grief is great, Ten pound I have to pay 39. Unto a cruel wretch; And God he knows, quoth she, I have it not. Tush, rise, I said, And take it here of me. 40. Ten pounds, nor ten times ten, Shall make my love decay, Then from my bag into her lap, I cast ten pound straightway. 41. All blithe and pleasant then, To banqueting we go; She proffered me to lye with her, And said it should be so. 42. And after that same time, I gave her store of coyn, Yea, sometimes fifty pound at once, All which I did purloyn. 43. And thus I did pass on; Until my master then Did call to have his reckoning in Cast up among his men. 44. The which when as I heard, I knew not what to say; For well I knew that I was out Two hundred pound that day. 45. Then from my master straight I ran in secret sort; And unto Sarah Millwood there My case I did report. 46. "But how she us'd this youth, In this his care and woe, And all a strumpet's wiley ways, The SECOND PART may show." * The having a sum of money with him on Sunday, &c. shows this narrative to have been penned before the civil wars: the strict observance of the Sabbath was owing to change of manners at that period.—Percy. THE SECOND PART. 47. Young Barnwell comes to thee Sweet Sarah, my delight; I am undone, unless thou stand My faithful friend this night. 48. Our master to accompts Hath just occasion found; And I am caught behind the hand Above two hundred pound. 49. And now his wrath to 'scape, My love, I fly to thee, Hoping some time I may remaine In safety here with thee. 50. With that she knit her brows, And looking all aquoy, Quoth she, What should I have to do With any prentice boy? 51. And seeing that you have purloyn'd Your master's goods away, The case is bad, and therefore here You shall no longer stay. 52. Why, dear, thou know'st, I said, How all which I could get, I gave it, and did spend it all Upon thee every whit. 53. Quoth she, Thou art a knave, To charge me in this sort, Being a woman of credit fair, And known of good report. 54. Therefore I tell thee flat, Be packing with good speed, I do defie thee from my heart, And scorn thy filthy deed. 55. Is this the friendship, that You did to me protest? Is this the great affection, which You so to me exprest? 56. Now fie on subtle shrews! The best is, I may speed To get a lodging any where For money in my need. 57. False woman, now farewell, Whilst twenty pound doth last, My anchor in some other haven With freedom I will cast. 58. When she perceiv'd by this, I had store of money there, Stay, George, quoth she, thou art too quick: Why, man, I did but jeer. 59. Dost think for all my speech, That I would let thee go? Faith no, said she, my love to thee I wiss is more than so. 60. You scorne a prentice boy, I heard you just now swear, Wherefore I will not trouble you.—— ——Nay, George, hark in thine ear; 61. Thou shalt not go to-night, What chance soe'er befall; But man we'll have a bed for thee, Or else the devil take all. 62. So I by wiles bewitcht, And snar'd with fancy still, Had then no power to get away, Or to withstand her will. 63. For wine on wine I call'd, And cheer upon good cheer; And nothing in the world I thought For Sarah's love too dear. 64. Whilst in her company, I had such merriment; All, all too little I did think, That I upon her spent. 65. A fig for care and thought! When all my gold is gone, In faith, my girl, we will have more, Whoever I light upon. 66. My father's rich, why then Should I want store of gold? Nay with a father sure, quoth she, A son may well make bold. 67. I've a sister richly wed, I'll rob her ere I'll want. Nay then, quoth Sarah, they may well Consider of you scant. 68. Nay, I an uncle have: At Ludlow he doth dwell: He is a grazier, which in wealth Doth all the rest excell. 69. Ere I will live in lack, And have no coyn for thee; I'll rob his house, and murder him. Why should you not? quoth she: 70. Was I a man, ere I Would live in poor estate; On father, friends, and all my kin, I would my talons grate. 71. For without money, George, A man is but a beast: But bringing money, thou shalt be Always my welcome guest. 72. For shouldst thou be pursued With twenty hues and cryes, And with a warrant searched for With Argus' hundred eyes, 73. Yet here thou shalt be safe; Such privy wayes there be, That if they sought an hundred years, They could not find out thee. 74. And so carousing both Their pleasures to content: George Barnwell had in little space His money wholly spent. 75. Which done, to Ludlow straight He did provide to go, To rob his wealthy uncle there; His minion would it so. 76. And once he thought to take His father by the way, But that he fear'd his master had Took order for his stay. 77. Unto his uncle then He rode with might and main, Who with a welcome and good cheer Did Barnwell entertain. 78. One fortnight's space he stayed Until it chanced so, His uncle with his cattle did Unto a market go. 79. His kinsman rode with him, Where he did see right plain, Great store of money he had took: When coming home again, 80. Sudden within a wood, He struck his uncle down, And beat his brains out of his head; So sore he crackt his crown. 81. Then seizing fourscore pound, To London straight he hyed, And unto Sarah Millwood all The cruell fact descryed. 82. Tush, 'tis no matter, George, So we the money have To have good cheer in jolly sort, And deck us fine and brave. 83. Thus lived in filthy sort, Until their store was gone: When means to get them any more, I wis, poor George had none. 84. Therefore in railing sort, She thrust him out of door: Which is the just reward of those, Who spend upon a whore. 85. O! do me not disgrace In this my need, quoth he, She call'd him thief and murderer;— With all the spight might be, 86. To the constable she sent, To have him apprehended: And shewed how far, in each degree, He had the laws offended. 87. When Barnwell saw her drift, To sea he got straightway; Where fear and sting of conscience Continually on him lay. 88. Unto the lord mayor then, He did a letter write; In which his own and Sarah's fault He did at large recite. 89. Whereby she seized was, And then to Ludlow sent; Where she was judg'd, condemn'd, and hang'd, For murder incontinent. 90. There dyed this gallant quean, Such was her greatest gains: For murder in Polonia, Was Barnwell hang'd in chains. . 91. Lo! here's the end of youth, That after harlots haunt; Who in the spoil of other men, About the streets do flaunt. |
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04 Oct 11 - 06:54 PM (#3233964) Subject: Lyr Add: CHEAPSIDE (from Bully Wee Band) From: Jim Dixon I was also able to listen to this recording on Spotify: CHEAPSIDE As sung by The Bully Wee Band on the albums "The Madmen of Gotham" (2003) and "50 Channels" (2006). On Cheapside there lived a merchant; he was a man of noted fame. He had a youth apprenticed to him; Georgie Barnwell was his name. And Georgie was a good apprentice, dutiful beyond all doubt. He never went across the doorstep when his master was without. Well now, a woman from the town, sir, she cast on him such a vigorous eye. She came into the shop one morning, flannel petticoats for to buy. And as she laid her money down, sir, she gave his hand such a very hard squeeze, And this pleased young Georgie Barnwell and together he knocked his knees. Well now, this woman she did persuade him with her rent of eighteen pipes.(?) To go down into the country and let loose his master's tripes. Now Georgie's found him in a clearing studying of his very good books. Georgie Barnwell's gone and shot him all amongst the groves and rooks. Now on Cheapside there is a grave, sir, and in it lies a tender youth, Because he let a woman tempt him his bold master for to shoot. |
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12 Nov 11 - 07:31 AM (#3255471) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: grumpy al Thanks for the origional ballad, very interesting, however I believe the line in the Bully Wee version That has the line "with her rent of eighteen pipes" should be "with her enervating pipes" i.e. being made somewhat insensible with, possibly, a pipe of opium. Grumpy |
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12 Nov 11 - 07:52 AM (#3255477) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: Mick Pearce (MCP) If the version in William's Folk Songs of the Upper Thames was the ultimate source for their version, he did have With her enervating pipes in the version he printed as Georgie Barnell. There are also several other differences, which may or may not have been deliberate (eg "Naughty woman", "let loose his Uncle Tripes") and the last verse is not present in FSUT. I'll post the FSUT version below for comparison. Mick GEORGIE BARNELL Near Cheapside there lived a merchant, And he was a man of very great fame; A youth was bound apprentice to him, And Georgie Barnell was his name. Now Georgie was a very good servant, And dutiful, beyond all doubt; He always kept within the door, sir, Because his master would not let him go out. A naughty woman of the town, sir, Upon him cast a vigorous eye; She came into the shop one morning A flannel petticoat to buy. When that she paid down the money She gave his hand a very hard squeeze; So that pleased poor Georgie Barnell, And together he knocked his knees. And soon this woman did persuade him, With her enervating pipes, To go down into the country And there let loose his Uncle Tripes. He saw his uncle in the grove, sir, Studying over his good books, And Georgie Barnell went and shot him All among the crows and rooks. Source: Alfred Williams: Folk Songs of the Upper Thames He notes: "Georgie Barnell" was well known around the Cotswolds and Thames generally. The copy was supplied by "Wassail" Harvey, Cricklade. |
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12 Nov 11 - 08:09 AM (#3255482) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: grumpy al Not come across FSUT before must have a look on line and thanks for the info Grumpy |
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12 Nov 11 - 06:41 PM (#3255865) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: Mick Pearce (MCP) You could have a look at the Wiltshire site - Wiltshire Community History - Song Introduction Page, which has the material from Alfred Williams mss online. I don't think FSUT is available online, but you can find a list of the songs (text only - there were no tunes in FSUT; a pity in the case of Georgie Barnwell, there is only a conjectural tune in Simpson's British Broadside Ballad and its Music, all sources in Roud are text only). You can find a list of the titles at folkinfo - FSUT Index. Mick |
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13 Nov 11 - 04:41 AM (#3256001) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cheapside / George Barnwell / Georgy... From: grumpy al Thanks again Mick your info has given me a lot of research to play with |
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