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02 May 07 - 01:22 PM (#2041444) Subject: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Sandman please tell the forum ,about the best thing you have seen at a folk club. |
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02 May 07 - 01:28 PM (#2041447) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver That's better...a positive thread rather than negative....Best thing seen at a Folk Club.....She wore a mini skirt, had a gorgeous figure but was with her boyfriend.....oh perhaps you meant best act..... Richard Digance...many years ago in Lancashire when he was a musician rather than a comedian...was still funny though even then. Same goes for Billy Connolly and the Humblebums. |
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02 May 07 - 01:30 PM (#2041448) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Leadfingers I recall a guy doing a gig in The Watermans in Brentford , actually swearing on Mic , because No One was listening to him - Except the ten or twelve actual folkies . The rest of the punters in the bar were missing some damn good stuff ! |
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02 May 07 - 01:35 PM (#2041453) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo She wore a mini skirt, had a gorgeous figure but was with her boyfriend Good grief, what exactly is 'positive' about such wholly outdated, disasteful, sexist crap? |
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02 May 07 - 01:44 PM (#2041460) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver So saying a woman is attractive is sexist....distasteful...outdated.....I thought it still went on!! |
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02 May 07 - 01:51 PM (#2041468) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Sandman leadfingers,I enjoyed that too,its the only time,I have told an audience to f off,ANDtherewas no reaction. |
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02 May 07 - 02:35 PM (#2041495) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Rasener The best thing seen at my club is the audience going home happy and the performers enjoying playing for the audience. When you get that which seems to be every time Faldingworth Live is on, then its magic. |
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02 May 07 - 02:43 PM (#2041502) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: greg stephens The Watersons I suppose. And, however much Countess Richard may object , there were some beautiful ladies around in miniskirts in the glory years of folkclubs in the 60's. And I liked it. |
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02 May 07 - 02:47 PM (#2041504) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: jacqui.c A newbie actually getting up and performing solo for the first time. It means that one more addict is added to the throng. |
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02 May 07 - 02:59 PM (#2041518) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Sttaw Legend I have to say I have seen that Georgiansilver fella and he is bloody gorgeous – he did not have a mini skirt on at the time but was viewing a pair of Cream Jugs of Peter and Anne Bateman |
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02 May 07 - 03:40 PM (#2041545) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: PoppaGator Jeez, countess richard, lighten up! Georgiansilver's response was obviously half-joking ~ anyone can see that the original question was really seeking feedback about musical performances ~ but it was entirely good-natured and, to my mind, not offensive in the least. If you have a problem when any male human expresses interest in, and/or admiration for, an attractive young woman, you're in for a lifetime of disappointment. Do you truly believe that such interest is "outdated"? Well, maybe you're right. Maybe overpopulation has put us into a situation where heterosexuality is becoming a thing of the past, as evolution demands that we put an end to procreation. I prefer to believe that "survival of the fittest" means that the future belongs to those who get born, and that therefore people ~ some of us, anyway ~ will continue to beget more people. For that to happen, you have to allow for at least a little bit of lust, distasteful as that may be to you. |
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02 May 07 - 03:40 PM (#2041547) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Tunesmith Mini-skirt and gorgeous figure! Sounds great to me - and I'm sure most of the male population would agree. |
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02 May 07 - 03:56 PM (#2041562) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Why doesn't it surprise me that it has clearly not entered your pusillanimous brainspaces that women musicians might be considering any man in a place dedicated to music as a possible musical collaborator and thus (not very hopefully) 'the best thing ever seen at a f*lk club'? Or is your musicianship as poor as your grasp of sexual politics? |
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02 May 07 - 04:02 PM (#2041567) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: jacqui.c I have to agree with Poppagator. Just because they may be viewed as musical collaborators doesn't mean that the opposite sex can't be looked as being very easy on the eye. I still enjoy looking at a good looking man - doesn't mean I'm going after them or that I am not appreciating eveything else going on. What's wrong with eye candy, of either sex? |
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02 May 07 - 04:04 PM (#2041571) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Tunesmith I would be very happy if a woman in a folk club thought some some guy was gorgeous in his tight jeans and a t-shirt. And if he played and sang like a dream - all the better! By the way, sex appeal is very much part of life - and the folk scene. If Nic Jones hadn't been such a hunk, he wouldn't have been as popular. And, a lot of Kate Rusby's success is due to her attractiveness. That's life! |
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02 May 07 - 04:16 PM (#2041585) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: PoppaGator Well, it's certainly true, and problematic, that confusion and unnecessary tension can crop up when two members of the opposite genders explore the possibility of a musical collaboration, while the two of them have different ideas about the possibilities for further, more personal, developments in said relationship. However, please don't think that the female party to such an encounter is always innocent while the male is automatically wrong. You may well have had such an experience, been entirely in the right, and been hurt. However, sometimes it happens the other way 'round. Without going into embaarrassing detail, and without naming any names, let me just say that I've been there. I get the impression that your "grasp of sexual politics" is that men are always wrong, and that whatever a women does is excusable. I hope for your sake that I'm wrong, and that in your better moments you DO actually have a sense of humor. |
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02 May 07 - 04:26 PM (#2041596) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo If Nic Jones hadn't been such a hunk, he wouldn't have been as popular I think that's probably actionable and I hope he sues you. What interested me (and innumerable others) in Nic Jones was his playing style and his skill in reconstructing songs. As for the krusby, she's 'very nice'. She was 'very nice' in the early '90s and hasn't changed. Sadly. No idea who finds this attractive but I am speaking musically and I don't. |
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02 May 07 - 04:29 PM (#2041599) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Herga Kitty Thread title does actually say "seen" not "heard"! So I think I'd vote for Magic Lantern. Reminds me of when Don Partridge was booked at Herga but had split his trousers at the back earlier in the day. As far as I can remember, he didn't turn round while on stage. Kitty |
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02 May 07 - 04:30 PM (#2041603) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Higham She wore 'hot pants' a tube top and 'kinky' boots. She played fiddle and the way the spiral lead from the pickup snaked up and down, well..... The band was Mr Fox. I suppose 'countess richard' you'll tell me she was dressed like that because of the warm weather. I imagine you'd have preferred her to wear dungarees, sandals and plaits. |
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02 May 07 - 04:33 PM (#2041607) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo I get the impression that your "grasp of sexual politics" is that men are always wrong Your 'impression', based on nothing whatsoever as you haven't a clue who I am, is incorrect. I was making horrified observations about the juvenile attitude of certain 'men' hovering about on here. If that's all they go to f*lk clubs for they may as well stay in and watch whatever it is such immature specimens gawp at on television. |
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02 May 07 - 04:36 PM (#2041609) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Tunesmith Countess: You're fighting against nature! What if I'd have said that Elvis's looks were a lot to do with his success, could that have landed me court? |
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02 May 07 - 04:37 PM (#2041612) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Well, Dave Higham, I saw Carole Pegg (now a leading academic in Tibetan music) playing quite recently. I seem to recall (not that it has the slightest relevance) that she was wearing a woollen skirt and jacket. It was quite a cold day. |
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02 May 07 - 04:45 PM (#2041621) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: breezy 'at the bottom of the belly lies the cuckoo!s nest' as sung last night at the ringers after may day in Padstow So whats the beef? Its life Jim, but not as some know it Up to the rigs |
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02 May 07 - 05:12 PM (#2041654) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Higham "she was wearing a woollen skirt and jacket" Well, she is about 30 years older now! |
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02 May 07 - 05:16 PM (#2041662) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: PoppaGator Your 'impression', based on nothing whatsoever as you haven't a clue who I am, is incorrect. My impresion is based on what you have written, and it remains about the same now as it was back at 3:40 pm today, Mudcat time. Should we ever meet in real life, I'll try to have an open mind. For now, the written word is all I have on which to base my opinions. |
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02 May 07 - 05:27 PM (#2041665) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver Countess Richard......in the 60's when I was but a young lad, I saw a beautiful woman in a Folk Club...a stunning woman who was with her boyfriend...I was captivated by her beauty as were 99.9% of the other guys in the club.....it was allowed then and I believe it still is. I lightheartedly made a comment about it at the beginning of this thread and you seem to have made a crusade of what is right and what is wrong with regards you what you believe are sexist attitudes. I will be 60 next year and still find young women beautiful...and I am not just some pervert or dirty old man or indeed sexist. I had a look at your photo by the way....I think you are very attractive but am I insulting you by telling you this????? Please lighten up...life is too short!!! |
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02 May 07 - 05:30 PM (#2041668) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo I think you are James Blunt. |
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02 May 07 - 05:35 PM (#2041673) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Sandman do you mean John Blunt,There was an old fellow lived under a hill. John Blunt,also means.......... |
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02 May 07 - 05:35 PM (#2041677) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver You mean you WISH I was James Blunt |
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02 May 07 - 05:39 PM (#2041680) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo 'Scuse me while I throw up. |
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02 May 07 - 05:43 PM (#2041685) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver ROFLOL |
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02 May 07 - 05:45 PM (#2041688) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Nice to see your usual grasp of the law, madam. |
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02 May 07 - 05:50 PM (#2041693) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo If Nic Jones decided to sue for defamation because somebody called Tunesmith thinks his popularity was due only to how he looked, I'm quite sure he wouldn't choose Richard Bridge as his solicitor. |
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02 May 07 - 05:54 PM (#2041695) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,wordy Ah countess, we were young and in our prime. Life was joyful and exciting. Lust was in our loins, both male and female. We were lovely to look at, lovely to know and the whole world was ours. We had untold years ahead of us. A kiss was bliss. We held each other tight and sang for sheer pleasure. We...... But surely you remember? No? That's sad. |
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02 May 07 - 05:55 PM (#2041696) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Sandman NicJones was popular because he could sing and play very well,but also because he was charismatic,part of his charm was his good looks,so both Tunesmith and Countess are right. |
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02 May 07 - 05:57 PM (#2041698) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Sandman I remember Countess as a librarian she was helpful, charming and attractive. |
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02 May 07 - 05:59 PM (#2041700) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Wordy: No Dick: Good grief! |
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02 May 07 - 06:04 PM (#2041704) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Tunesmith Of course, I didn't say that Nic Jones success was just down to his good looks! I said that his good looks added to his popularity! Good looks alone aren't going to get you very far on the folk scene. |
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02 May 07 - 06:07 PM (#2041707) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST Countess. You don't remember? Where were you? We only get one shot at life you know. Je regrette rien. ( failed french O level) |
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02 May 07 - 06:18 PM (#2041715) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle This is like the Lloyd thread - we want to talk about something and end up talking about the obsessions of the aristocracy. Too many brilliant acts over the years. I think its the moments that sort of stick with you - rather whole songs. Gerry Lockran capturing a room with just the first two three notes. The first time I heard Fred Jordan's voice. Pete Quin's ragtime guitar, never heard anybody play guitar ragtime better. Derek Brimstone looking round a Birmingham nightclub before striking up - flash little place innit...? Ian Campbell stopping the band and singing an unaccompanied song from Peter Grimes opera - totally brilliantly. Paul Downes had this scratchy little rhythm guitar that started off the first song - Won't you let me play for you tonight? - and Phil Beers fiddle just hitting the groove. Tommy Dempsey (of Bourneville and County Roscommon) singing As I roved Out to the tapping of his foot...... Roy Harris throwing his head back and singing Nobody wants to know you when you're down and out the late Roger Brooks singing anything the late John Dunkerly(of the campbell folk group) - his banjo on The unquiet grave - plaintive and perfect. I'd wear a miniskirt to the folkclub meself if I could live through one of those moments again. |
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02 May 07 - 06:23 PM (#2041719) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Surreysinger Tony Rose playing in the cafe bar at the Electric Theatre in Guildford during his (sadly) short lived comeback in the early 1990's. |
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02 May 07 - 06:27 PM (#2041722) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Don(Wyziwyg)T I am amazed that you guys bother trying to reason with countess richard. You should by now have realised that the good countess sees herself as the perfect uberfrau, and her posts are positively dripping with contempt and disdain for most, if not all, of Mudcat's membership. She obviously thinks of herself as some kind of superwoman, and I must agree. She is supercilious, supercritical, superficial, and, in any discussion (which presupposes that protagonists will at least take note of the opinions of others), superfluous. Just my opinion, of course, and I don't think I'll join in Out of here Don T. |
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02 May 07 - 06:28 PM (#2041724) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Commander Crabbe Do you think if we re-named this as the best thing seen about sexual politics it would turn into a discussion on the joys of folk clubs? CC |
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02 May 07 - 06:30 PM (#2041727) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,John S June Tabor at the Empress of Russia, Islington, at about the time Aqaba came out. |
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02 May 07 - 06:31 PM (#2041728) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Surreysinger Probably not??? |
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02 May 07 - 06:34 PM (#2041730) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Jeanie Wordy: That's a great description you gave. And apart from the bits about "young" and "untold years ahead", nothing else changes over the years, really, does it ? Or, at least, with a positive approach to life, nothing needs to have changed and it doesn't have to be just a memory ! Attractiveness, charm, charisma are hard to define, and are "in the eye of the beholder" to a large extent - but I would say that of course they play a part in any performance, or in any human encounter. To go back to "best thing seen at a folk club": I saw Pete Morton perform at a folk club this week. He does just happen to be (to my eyes/mind/etc. anyway) an attractive, charming man: but the best thing of all was seeing him get a whole hall full of people singing "Knock, knock, knockin' on Heaven's Door" in Chaucerian Middle English. Priceless. That man has won my heart. - jeanie :) |
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02 May 07 - 06:35 PM (#2041731) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Commander Crabbe Youre probably right!! Ah well never mind CC |
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02 May 07 - 06:40 PM (#2041734) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,wordy Spotted Mr Morton many moons ago.Another of our unsung talents because he won't fit in a box. |
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02 May 07 - 06:49 PM (#2041748) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Ebbie Poppagator, you said: "However, please don't think that the female party to such an encounter is always innocent while the male is automatically wrong." I read that as 'anatomically wrong'. lol The best thing I have seen - or rather, taken away from - a folk club was the rush of being in the midst of the combination of happy performers and happy audiences. A couple of years ago several of us started a small folk club and I think it is just about the best thing I've involved myself in. By the way, being aware of men drooling over hot pants on a great body wouldn't call forth my contempt but it would make me grin at the predictability of men- I doubt that they would say that her looks helped her musical ability but it couldn't hurt. The only time I felt miffed at some men's reactions to a hot looking flashy female fiddler was once at a folk festival when the young woman was arrogant and overbearing and oblivious to the women players in the group. Most of the men crowding into her space were not concerned with her playing. Most of the women left the group and started another knot of players. Flashy plus nice is fine- flashy plus unpleasant is not. |
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02 May 07 - 06:57 PM (#2041754) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Soldier boy Folks.Folks.Folks. A warning to you. Don't respond in any way to 'countess richard'. From what I have seen of her rantings and ravings on other threads on Mudcat I really do politely suggest that you just ignore her. This is usually the only way that you can stop an unwelcome 'contributor' who is compulsive in the extreme, likes to spread venom and hostility,completely change the original purpose of the discussion and obsessively take over the thread. I'll say no more about countess richard at this stage, but if you want a taste of this character and how she behaves just have a peek at the thread "Show of hands - Roots - what a track!" Just check out some of her latest contributions on that thread. I have rarely seen so many F words from a lady of supposed culture and literary intelligence. So extreme are her foul-mouthed rantings that I am very surprised that the Mudcat police haven't pulled her plug yet!! |
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02 May 07 - 07:14 PM (#2041773) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Oh dear, The only response to a military person who describes a woman as a lady is 'fuck off'. |
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02 May 07 - 07:16 PM (#2041776) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo I don't think I've seen any 'best' things at f*lk clubs because they are mostly so false and populated by lechy blokes who don't have music as anything like their top priority. The 'best' things have been at informal sessions, in fields and places like Mexican tents or shower blocks in the middle of the night at festivals. There was that Sidmouth workshop when Rob Harbron convinced me that the only way to play concertina convincingly was to pretend to be a chicken. And fiddle workshops where Nick Wyke, Kirsty Cotter, Gina Le Faux and Pete Cooper almost got me believing I could play fiddle after all. And a ceilidh in the middle of the Essex countryside when Fi Fraser very nearly got me believing the same thing. But it all started at Keele (forerunner of the National) where I met Barry Dransfield under a staircase, fiddling frantically. He said he couldn't read a note of music but if I was a youth orchestra player then I could do what he did. Why not? Well no, I can't but I still try. I'm still trying to dredge up something good that happened at a f*lk club. One was at Islington (not yer average cliquey dump it's best not to venture near) when Jackie Oates recorded some tracks for her first demo. This is where I first heard Stocai too, and remained gobsmacked for a very long time. In fact I'd go to Islington just for the Angel band and stay there forever if they'd just keep on playing and playing. All that can compare is Musical Traditions with The Rakes/Duck Soup/Pigeon English/Posh Band and Simon Ritchie stepdancing on the table. |
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02 May 07 - 07:19 PM (#2041780) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Phil Cooper Maddy Prior and June Tabor when they were trying out some Silly Sisters material at the Cellar. Nic Jones at the Enterprise. Tony Rose a few years later in his only visit to Chicago. |
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02 May 07 - 07:24 PM (#2041784) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Addler Diane! You are talking out of your arse and picking a fight as usual. Don't respond to this I dare you. Just think before you respond, read through this whole thread at least before posting again. Please!!! |
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02 May 07 - 07:28 PM (#2041786) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Ah, I see an ever so SUPERFLUOUS wizziewig 'contribution'. No idea who this is, just that it is someone who crawls out from time to time, presumably to ogle women who don't mind. Certainly not what I'm in music for, Crawl back under your stone, Don person. |
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02 May 07 - 07:35 PM (#2041794) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Addler, no idea who you are and why should I care? You presume to know who I am. You clearly don't. I'm kicking the shit out of those with idiotically archaic attitudes who have no place in my musical world, yet think it funny to try and make jokes on a forum. It isn't. And it ain't clever. It exposes their stupidity and lack of musical awareness. |
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02 May 07 - 07:44 PM (#2041796) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle Tony Rose aged twenty two - his first summer holiday after qualifying as a teacher, back at Exmouth folk club with the Journeymen in the background singing Tavistock Goosey Fair - strumming an old Levin. I don't know about the best - but he was bloody good. |
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02 May 07 - 08:21 PM (#2041809) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Earl Countess Richard. See it's not just me who finds the way you choose to express yourself unpleasant. Hold whatever views you like and most people round this board will defend your right to say whatever you want. You are however getting up a few noses with your bad language. Back to the original theme though. Just come back from the Lamb in Eastbourne where Devils Interval were the guests. Best act I've seen in a long time. Excellant singers and musicians and in my opinion the best thing to come out of the Newcastle University Folk music degree course. You dont have to agree with me Diane but allow me to hold my view please. Dave Dave |
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02 May 07 - 09:00 PM (#2041826) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: woodsie Best thing I've seen at a folk club - a nice pot of tenners donated by the landlord! |
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02 May 07 - 10:02 PM (#2041851) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Sandra in Sydney 1. The effect on the audience of Brisbane unaccompanied singer Jenny Fitzgibbon, slight figure in short white sleeveless dress, singing "The Grave that they Dug him" - it seemed like everyone stopped breathing while she sang. 2. Martyn Wyndham-Read not leaving the stage after his advertised bracket ended & singing on for at least another hour, accompanied by Iris Bishop & John. magic 3. First apprearance of duo Lyrebird at any folk club, they did a 10 minute floorspot that left the audience going "wow" & were immediately booked by another club. |
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02 May 07 - 10:30 PM (#2041860) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe "what exactly is 'positive' about such wholly outdated, disasteful, sexist crap?" Well, a prominent leading elderly Aussie politican known as '"Head-kicker" Heffernan' may now find his career suddenly and unexpectedly ended (even his own party is walking away from him!) after saying publicly in an article in the Bulletin that the female deputy leader of the Aussie Labour Party who has no children was 'barren and thus unfit to be a leading politican'. Funny really, because his 'own goal' (which was meant to be a clever hitback because the Opposition leader was making comments that Johnny was too old-fashioned to stay as PM {after Johnny started attacking him as too inexperienced to be next PM!!!}) has now distracted the media from being interested in any possible shortcomings of the Opposition's political platform... now a very good chance that Little Fascist Johhny may actually lose the next election... pissing off 50% of the electorate is a dumb idea, to say nothing of pissing off ALL the pollies (of ALL parties!) wives! Pretty 'positive' I'd say... :-) |
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03 May 07 - 12:08 AM (#2041911) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Phil One of my best experiences was starting a song in a pub session and everyone joined in. The whole atmosphere in the pub changed. After the song there was a kind of silence for a short while when we realised what we had just shared. To me that's what folk music is about - who or what, PA's and mics don't matter. |
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03 May 07 - 12:17 AM (#2041915) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Oh my! The man in the silly hat has just seen my mates, The Devil's Interval (note correct form of their name). I suppose that's typical of just how far behind the times blokes round here are. The 'best thing' to come out of the Newcastle course? There are dozens of brilliant acts from among six years of graduates. Seen them all? Or are you judging them by a quick appraisal of Lauren and Emily's 'other attributes? Tsk, tsk. Jim's rather pretty too, y'know . . . Feeling a bit sheepish now for having opened your mouth, silly hat man? |
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03 May 07 - 12:21 AM (#2041917) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe I have never even heard of 'The Devil's Interval' let alone seen them. I thought I was the only one in the silly hat around here - maybe it's time for The Fooles Troupe to leave - too much competition! |
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03 May 07 - 12:29 AM (#2041920) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Ralphie Too many to recall. But, I do remember the late George Spicer at Elsies in Edenbridge,Kent UK, trying to finish a rather risque song before his wife returned from the loo! Failed miserably, and had to revert to something more anodyne (Thousands or more or something!) I think she knew what was going on!! |
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03 May 07 - 02:56 AM (#2041964) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle The whole animal kingdom of which we are a part is prey to lustful thoughts. And truth to tell, we are all revolted occasionally by the way other animals express the nasty squelchy business of sexuality. There is a wonderful Seamus Heaney poem called death of a Naturalist about him coming across a pond full of copulating frogs - and being by turns intimidated and revolted by the distasteful proximity one of the manifestations of the life force. If that's how we old men seem to you - I can understand Countess.I suppose we're just not your idea of a nice pond of frogs. lets adress ourselves to the music. That's what I love to hear people talking about. On mudcat - you can almost hear their voices. I've been ill recently and I can't get out as much as I would like - sometimes on mudcat, its like being in a pub and chatting about all your old friends. |
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03 May 07 - 03:08 AM (#2041969) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Barden of England The first time I saw Eric Bogle live. Not the best voice, nor the best player, but when he's singing his songs he really makes me 'feel' the words. Another one was when I heard Chris While for the first time. That voice is just stunning. And finally Ian Bruce, who has one of the greatest voices I've ever heard. When he sang 'From a distance' in a packed Marquee at Ely a few years back, without the aid of amplification, you could have heard a pin drop. Each one of the very special in their own way. John Barden |
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03 May 07 - 03:20 AM (#2041974) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo 'Lustful thoughts' about frogs or anything else are scarcely the issue. WLD wants to talk about music, as I do and have been. He should be as appalled as I was at those unable to refer to a well-known female fiddler without a snigger over how she was dressed. And even more so at how women are being trivialised and demeaned in this thread, And most of all at those 'men' who claim nastily, that it is their 'right' to objectify women as 'the best thing seen at a f*lk club'. I've come across more mature attitudes among 11-year-old schoolboys. |
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03 May 07 - 03:25 AM (#2041977) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe Among the normal women I am good friends with, they are not ashamed to giggle about 'male buns and six-packs'. |
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03 May 07 - 04:59 AM (#2042024) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle I think I gave up being appalled by musicians and their rather basic approach to life a while back. All that stuff in Amadeus - how could God have heaped his gifts on a filthy obscene child? - it has a certain ring of truth about it. n'est-ce pas? I always suspect the 'nice' ones. Particularly in pullovers. |
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03 May 07 - 05:04 AM (#2042027) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Oh, is that what the 'jumpers' are doing in the 'collapse of the clubs' thread? |
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03 May 07 - 05:17 AM (#2042033) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle I ran away from that thread - you're a scary gal, Countess. |
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03 May 07 - 05:19 AM (#2042035) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Earl "Feeling a bit sheepish now for having opened your mouth, silly hat man?" No My Granny used to tell my brothers and I that "sticks and stones can break your bones but names will never hurt you" Dave |
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03 May 07 - 05:51 AM (#2042052) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Perhaps we ought not to poke fun at the dress conventions of our European neighbours. |
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03 May 07 - 06:38 AM (#2042082) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Grimmy I seem to recall a certain fellow called Musgrave going to church for reasons other than divine worship (I know what you're going to say - "yeah, and look what happened to him!"). I've had many best moments, but the one that has stayed with me is the first time I ever heard traditional singing. I, a dyed-in-the-wool rock freak, was persuaded to visit the Old Blue Bell in Hull one night (HQ of the Watersons). It was spell-binding. Things would never be the same again. |
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03 May 07 - 07:02 AM (#2042092) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle That's right they opened the Sea Life Centre and built that bridge. |
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03 May 07 - 07:12 AM (#2042095) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver Countess, perhaps if you spent more time with mature men (albeit those who may find women attractive) instead of obviously spending time with too many 11 year old boys, your attitude to men might improve and make you more acceptable as a woman. |
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03 May 07 - 07:22 AM (#2042100) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle That's almost a proposal Mike........romance blossoms amongst the Mudcatters. Spring here at last....? |
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03 May 07 - 07:25 AM (#2042102) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo make you more acceptable as a woman Acceptable to whom? Fuck off . . . |
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03 May 07 - 07:29 AM (#2042104) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle Keep trying Mike....deep down, she likes you. |
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03 May 07 - 07:31 AM (#2042105) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Grimmy "That's right they opened the Sea Life Centre and built that bridge" Yeah, the monkeys, but all after I had left, thank goodness. I notice the Blue Bell is still there though. |
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03 May 07 - 07:42 AM (#2042110) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Betsy Hi Georgiansilver - Richard Digance was as funny as a kick in the bollocks . He may have been humorous if you understood jokes about West Ham, same with Max Boyce if you understood Rugby/things Welsh . |
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03 May 07 - 07:54 AM (#2042118) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST Roy Harris !! It wan't a folk club, it was the Albert Hall, but he turned it into a folk club. - One day all women will have to wear burquas, problem solved. |
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03 May 07 - 07:55 AM (#2042119) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Rasener Well I hope you are not going to kick Georgiansilver in the bollocks Betsy, as I am hoping to see him at Faldingworth Live tomorrow! |
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03 May 07 - 08:27 AM (#2042141) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver With language like yours however Countess...I would not consider you a person suitable to spend time with....perhaps a few more of those beautifully chosen words now..... |
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03 May 07 - 08:30 AM (#2042147) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Splott Man Are we talking about Folk Clubs yet? |
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03 May 07 - 08:31 AM (#2042149) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver Betsy, when I saw Richaed Digance in his ealry days of Folk Clubbing, his humour was much more generalised...it changed with TV fame I suppose to things he felt he could get a laugh with. His natural humour was much better before. Best wishes, MIke. |
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03 May 07 - 08:33 AM (#2042154) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver Les...even a kick in the b....... would not stop me from coming to Faldingworth Live to see George Papavgeris.....wouldn't miss him for all the Countesses in the world! |
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03 May 07 - 08:33 AM (#2042156) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo I've absolutely no time nor inclination to spend time with you. Better stuff to do. I'll just leave it to the Villan or perhaps that nice (ha!) Mr Betts to give you a good kick in the bollocks. |
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03 May 07 - 08:35 AM (#2042157) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Oh, is George going? Perhaps he can put you on his lamb-roasting spit. |
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03 May 07 - 08:40 AM (#2042160) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Surreysinger Am I allowed to add another best thing - not at a folk club (since someone else has already gone that route, I reckon I can) - but it'll have to be George Withers at the last National in Sutton Bonington, singing his "MBE" song with a devastatingly witty twinkle in his eye, with Martin Carthy, Brian Peters, Eliza Carthy, Spiers and Boden et al sitting around the wall behind him. He brought the house down, and I reckon was an incredibly hard act to follow .. I'm just hoping that he'll be at the Dorset Singing Weekend in Stourton Caundle as usual in June this year (health willing)!! |
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03 May 07 - 08:45 AM (#2042163) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Liz the Squeak The best thing I saw was in the Sunray at Osmington - the courteous behaviour from the audience to both booked guest and 'virgin' singer alike... but it was a very long time ago. LTS |
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03 May 07 - 08:54 AM (#2042170) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Oh, don't say teh "v" word, it will get someone all excited again..... |
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03 May 07 - 09:06 AM (#2042184) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Grab It's a toss-up between Artisan and the Abbie Lathe group. Also Thomas Leeb, although that wasn't exactly a folk club. And if compliments about someone's looks make you a lecher, then damn, the world is in trouble. Compliments do not mean that you're trying to get into the other person's underwear! Still, wait a few years and that problem will solve itself. ;-) Graham. (FWIW, the most fun I've had at a folk festival was the bellydancing workshops at Broadstairs, and it certainly wasn't simply because I was a lone bloke surrounded by several dozen dancing women of varying ages.) |
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03 May 07 - 09:14 AM (#2042202) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Rasener >>Les...even a kick in the b....... would not stop me from coming to Faldingworth Live to see George Papavgeris.....wouldn't miss him for all the Countesses in the world! << Good to hear that Mike :-) Now then Countess Richard, don't you go giving George a bad name by suggesting that he puts human beings on his lamb roasting spit. All George will be doing tomorrow night, is getting us to sing along with him and enjoying ourselves. I hope you are not driving him up here CR!!! |
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03 May 07 - 09:20 AM (#2042208) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Pssssst, hey George, wanna lift? Only joking. If I was heading in that direction, he'd have to walk from Loughborough where I'd stop off for the ceilidh. As it is, I'm not. |
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03 May 07 - 09:21 AM (#2042210) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle Ballad of Long Lankin by Magic Lantern - anybody? Taffy Thomas (he of Magic Lantern fame) also had a folk club, somewhere in the murky depths of the Black Country - precise location forgot. And he had some great residents - Pete Coe, and Dan Fone - who later played in Ricky Cool and the Icebergs. Remeber Pete's Derby Ram with affection. |
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03 May 07 - 09:23 AM (#2042211) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave the Gnome Seeing as he has already been mentioned - A VERY young Pete Morton was one of the best things I saw at Swinton many years ago. It was apparant from the word go that he was destined for greater things. I still haven't forgiven him for getting me hooked on a band called Danish Dia Delight on a radio show he ran though:-) Coals and Newcastle as well - I am now living up in the frozen North from Monday to Friday and have had the great pleasure of attending the Bridge Folk Club on a Monday night. Far from being cliquey I was made very welcome on the first singers night I attended and was then absolutely blown away by the students of Newcastle Universities Folk degree on the 'Rising Stars' night. If this lot go out into the world beyond accademia with th esame attitude they have now we need have no concerns for the future of folk:-) Still not had a single 'best thing' though. It would probably be a close toss-up between Anthony John Clarke, Martin Marthy and Stanley Acrrington! Best folk releated band I have seen is no contest though - Runrig at Manchester Appollo. Cheers Dave |
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03 May 07 - 09:36 AM (#2042218) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,BY ECK Muppett threatening to bare his arse (and doing so) to the audience, if they didn't join in the chorus, you should have been there countess richard, even you would have seen the funny side of it |
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03 May 07 - 09:37 AM (#2042219) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave the Gnome One Nun Dead! |
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03 May 07 - 09:48 AM (#2042227) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: jacqui.c Eric Bogle at Watford - the first half consisted of acts by George Papavgeris, Johnny Collins and Martin Wyndham Reid. The whole thing just blew me away, it was wonderful. |
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03 May 07 - 10:16 AM (#2042253) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Rasener >>Muppett threatening to bare his arse (and doing so) to the audience<< Was it smiling :-) |
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03 May 07 - 10:28 AM (#2042264) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Don(Wyziwyg)T The Dog & Gun, Maidstone...1978. We'd booked Cyril Tawney as guest and we put him up on the stage at one end of the room. He said hello, picked up his drink and his chair, and moved down between the two front rows, and treated us to an evening of wonderful songs and patter at about loud whisper volume. You could hear every word. He grabbed 45 people by the heart, and just didn't let go. Don T. |
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03 May 07 - 10:45 AM (#2042280) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: optic Countess Richard......in the 60's when I was but a young lad, I saw a beautiful woman in a Folk Club...a stunning woman who was with her boyfriend...I was captivated by her beauty as were 99.9% of the other guys in the club.....it was allowed then and I believe it still is. I lightheartedly made a comment about it at the beginning of this thread and you seem to have made a crusade of what is right and what is wrong with regards you what you believe are sexist attitudes. I will be 60 next year and still find young women beautiful...and I am not just some pervert or dirty old man or indeed sexist. I had a look at your photo by the way....I think you are very attractive but am I insulting you by telling you this????? Please lighten up...life is too short!!! Sorry I don't know how to put that into a quote on here! Anyway, VERY WELL SAID! I was in many a folk club watching the Watersons in the 60's, in mini skirts or "hot pants", hair that I can still sit on, flowing down my back. Of course the guys looked, and paid compliments, and I loved it! Fabulous times, Fabulous memories.I am 60 now too, but I'm not such a prune. |
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03 May 07 - 10:54 AM (#2042287) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: optic Just to add to my previous post...I remember once Alex Campbell playing in a folk club and inbetween songs I thought I'd nip to the ladies. I had to walk past himm to get to the loos and as I passed he made that gutteral growling noise that men make when a lady takes their fancy, to the audience, and all the guys whistled in the room! The place was heaving,. and I was very embarrassed , but if I'm honest, I did enjoy it too! |
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03 May 07 - 10:59 AM (#2042293) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver Reading back through your posts Countess and some on other threads I have taken the time to look at... I would say you are a very balanced sort of person......you are the only person I have seen on Mudcat that has a chip on both shoulders.....lighten up please!!!!!! |
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03 May 07 - 11:01 AM (#2042295) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Liz the Squeak I have head hair I can sit on (just) but nothing on earth would induce me to wear a miniskirt or hotpants... My first introduction to Pete Coe, when he sang an amazingly haunting song that finished with him singing into the back of his banjo to get a hair-raising echo... there was complete silence for a good 10 seconds after it, it was stunning. If festivals count... Watching Nic Jones attend his first festival after the accident... I knew nothing of his work beforehand, and didn't fully understand the look of incredulity and joy and happiness that he got when he remembered the words to a chorus song. It was like he'd found a lost child, which, I now realise, is more or less, what it was. Eric Bogle and someone else singing together at one of the northern festivals (CRS has struck, can remember neither festival nor other person!)... They did 'The Gift of Years' and it blew me away. In a crowded hall that 10 minutes earlier had been a roaring hellhole of shrieking laughter (Incredible String Band), you could have heard an ant fart. LTS |
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03 May 07 - 11:01 AM (#2042296) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver optic...nice to see that you appreciated being appreciated. I have certainly appreciated your input here...sort of restores ones faith in human nature. Best wishes, Mike. |
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03 May 07 - 11:26 AM (#2042323) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo My, my, fancy being actually pleased that a sexist Glaswegian throwback was behaving in the crass manner which was his wont. While one may well despair of such sexist behaviour it was, at the time, sadly not uncommon. But for a woman to be so lacking in self-respect that she failed to apply her knee to a crucial area was a glaring omission. But not to regret not having done so 40 years on defies credibility. There are some women really do seem to deserve, indeed welcome, their oppression. Brian McNeill, can you please rewrite Strong Women Rule Us All cos the original hasn't worked too well. Alternatively, compulsory songwriting workshops with Sandra Kerr and Frankie Armstrong are urgently required. Which brings me to those two (and a few others) as probably the best thing I've ever seen in a club: The Knave of Clubs in Bethnal Green circa 1975. |
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03 May 07 - 11:38 AM (#2042336) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave the Gnome Ooooooh - Runrig have had their crown snatched from them. I had forgotten all about the Incredible String Band. I had heard of the obviously and I am of an age where you would think I had seen them before - Not so. I was at a very dull trade show in Brighton a couple of years back when I noticed a poster advertising the ISB at the Komedia club. What a fabulous night that was. The Komedia, for those that do not know it, seems to be a throwback to the old 'night club' days. Table seating, table service and food as well as good beer and live music. The band were out of this world. I have bought everything I could of theirs since. Some of the early stuff is very naive 60's 'hip' but musicaly they were stunning even then. Now, if the line up is still going, they are even better. Cheers Dave |
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03 May 07 - 11:46 AM (#2042344) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo "The answers are the question, sir" (Robin Williamson) |
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08 May 07 - 02:41 AM (#2045840) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge 1. I think it is plain that Georgiansilver's original post that so inflamed the C**ntess was a throwaway line that did not merit the weight placed upon it. In short an obvious overreaction by the C**ntess. 2. Surely most people are pleased, at least in part, by the statement or implication that they are sexually attractive. What is improper is any actual or implied threat - but such threats occur, whether they be of the kind discussed here, or the generic threat of violence that may be uttered merely by stance (although it is more usually offered to men than to women, perhaps the legacy of territorial or other embattlement in previous generations). 3. Generally I think that folk clubs events are less truly threatening (sexually or otherwise) to women than most other events. Nonetheless I have posted to the Rochester Sweeps thread some comments that maybe relevant here (in edited form): - "Some factors that will tend to militate against my daughter's further enjoyment of "folk sessions" (a shame since she herself is such a spectacular performer and there one of the two or three in total of performers present under 25) include navel-gazing snigger snogwriters, amplification (ie "open mic"), the absence of folk song, and lecherous old men who although they are unable to intimidate her may intimidate others. There was a bad example on one night at Sweeps(not, I think, a Cat member), who was fawning over a particularly contemporary singer, and making a fool of himself persisting in trying to kiss reluctant young(ish) women. Oddly, I remember her mother being critical of one or two very respected figures of the 60s and 70s folkocracy who allegedly were more (and equally unsuccessfully) interested in her nether regions than in her voce or guitar work. These were not limited to primary supporters of fatlib." |
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08 May 07 - 02:58 AM (#2045844) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: George Papavgeris Hearing Scowie's "When all men sing" for the first time, in a crowded bar in Bushey on Boxing Day 2000, by Johnny Collins. Talk about hair standing up... Hearing Martyn Wyndham-Read's version of Bogle's "Gift of years". Dave Webber & Anni Fentiman singing "Blackbird", as she quietly slipped her hand into his. The first time I saw Cloudstreet singing "King Willie" I cried with laughter even as I was amazed at their vocal feats. And later when I heard them singing "Scots of the Riverina", I just cried; and still do every time I hear them sing it. Too close to home. The Songwainers singing in the Kettering folk club in October 1973. Wow - I'd give a year of my life just to go back and listen to them again. You guessed it - I am a vocals man. |
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08 May 07 - 11:41 AM (#2046182) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle Ralph McTell at Cousins allnighter - autumn 1968. he wearing a turquoise Levi suit, big white desert boots that used to waggle up and down when he was playing ragtime. someone said, ain't you the bloke who wrote that Streets of London song? he said, yeh that's me And he played it. I'd never heard it before - I think everybody thought it was utterly stunning. |
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08 May 07 - 07:05 PM (#2046513) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Higham "the guys looked, and paid compliments, and I loved it! Fabulous times, Fabulous memories.I am 60 now too, but I'm not such a prune." Well said 'Optic'. Nice to hear a sane (and honest) response as opposed to the pathetic outpourings of the vitriolic Duchess Dick. I suppose one ought to feel sorry for someone with such an obvious personality problem. Anyone know what the female equivalent of misogynist is? By the way, the original question from Captain Mick Diles was "please tell the forum ,about the best thing you have SEEN at a folk club". |
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08 May 07 - 07:21 PM (#2046529) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe "snogwriter*" Yep, there far too many of them around in 'pop-rock' today too.... :-) Ah, there's the door.... sup>* snogwriter - a writer of songs that are all about sex.... |
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08 May 07 - 07:34 PM (#2046541) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST So no "Jon Anderson, my Joe" then. Or about two thirds of the songs of the tradition! |
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08 May 07 - 09:06 PM (#2046602) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Joe_F From my journal, 11 May 1988: Passim: Concert by Pat Humphries,[...]. The performance was inoffensive but pretty thin gruel: no vivid images, not even any rhymes, all the songs very short, and politically correct. There was, however, a pair of young men in the audience who were worth the price of admission; they were in love & snuffled & touched each other & laughed a lot. I left after the first set. |
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08 May 07 - 10:41 PM (#2046664) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST An "outsider" was drunk. He pissed on the beer, declaring it not worthy. He passed out out. He lay in the roses. The club pissed on him. |
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09 May 07 - 02:48 AM (#2046761) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver When the Countess reads that Guest...Urine trouble!! |
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09 May 07 - 03:33 AM (#2046781) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Tunesmith During my first visit to a folk music event in 1964, someone sang Shoals of Herring and the way the audience joined in the refrain just blew me away. I can recall being mightily impressed when I first heard Nic Jones perform "Billy Don't You Weep for me" accompanied by that driving bluesy guitar riff. I also have very fond memories of seeing Dando Shaft at Les Cousins. But, probably, top of my list would be seeing Hedy West in folk club in Ormskirk(?) in 1967. Great stuff. |
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09 May 07 - 03:54 AM (#2046793) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Synonym.com says: Sorry, I could not find antonyms for 'misogynist'. This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on). There exists, even now, some women conditioned into conniving at male 'approval' instead of striving to become fulfilled human beings in their own right. They are as misguided and as ridiculous as males seeking to impose and to justify an outdated myth of superiority. The 'best thing' to be seen at any music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing with excellence. Oh and Tunesmith, Hedy West rehearsing in my living room, banging her feet on the wood floor and pissing off the neighbours beneath was pretty damn good. |
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09 May 07 - 04:27 AM (#2046812) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge "This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on)." Musht be shome mishundershtanding, shurely. |
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09 May 07 - 04:36 AM (#2046820) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Moneypenny Nice one, Rich |
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09 May 07 - 05:59 AM (#2046857) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe La la la la la la .... |
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09 May 07 - 06:00 AM (#2046858) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST Sam Sherry nearly (but never quite) banging his head on the folk club ceiling Packie Byrne's Storytelling - after which I understood the meaning of the word enthrall.. Pete Bellamy playing slide guitar... The disasterous cock roach circus at chester folk fest circa 1980... Old Rope String Band totally winning over a very very difficult audience.. Walter Pardon and the Watersons |
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09 May 07 - 06:19 AM (#2046867) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Surreysinger Disastrous cockroach circus??? Guest, do tell ... I'm intrigued (the rest I can well understand - and envy .... but that one??????) |
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09 May 07 - 06:52 AM (#2046875) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Grab The word is "misandrist", Countess. There are plenty of them out there, treating men as if they were children to be patronised and told what to do. There's rarely an interest in looking *at* though, simply in power over. If we're talking people from the 60s, Fanny Craddock would be the perfect example. As far as looks go, it's well established that men *aren't* the main discriminators - women are more judgemental to other women based on appearance than men could ever be. And the belief that it isn't possible for men to comment positively on a woman's appearance without considering them a sex object is itself a prejudice against men. Yes, some men do consider women as objects; but that doesn't mean all men do; nor that men who can recognise beauty in women's appearance or dress are objectifying women. Graham. |
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09 May 07 - 06:55 AM (#2046877) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Damn, Grab, I was just about to post the Wikipedia entry Misandry From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search All men are false, says my mother, They'll tell you wicked, lovin' lies. The very next evening, they'll court another, Leave you alone to pine and sigh. —"Silver Dagger", traditional song[1] Look up Misandry in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Misandry (IPA [mɪ.ˈsæn.dri]) is the hatred of males as a sex, as opposed to misogyny, the hatred of women. Misandry comes from misos (Greek μῖσος, "hatred") + andr-ia (Greek anér-andros, "man"). Look up misanthropy in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Although misandry is sometimes confused with misanthropy, the terms are not interchangeable, for the latter refers more generally to the hatred of humanity. A concept related to misandry is androphobia, the fear of men, but not necessarily hatred of them. The opposite of misandry is philandry, the love of men. Misandry is not discussed very often compared to misogyny. Feminist writer Judith Levine has called misandry "the hate that dares not speak its name".[2] |
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09 May 07 - 08:32 AM (#2046926) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Higham The "countess" says "there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them". She seems to be living proof to the contrary. |
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09 May 07 - 08:39 AM (#2046930) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave the Gnome I think that the difference is that a misogynist thinks that he is superior to women whereas a misandrist KNOWS that she is superior... :D |
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09 May 07 - 08:47 AM (#2046939) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Meanwhile, back at the folk club.... |
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09 May 07 - 09:08 AM (#2046956) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Anybody called Dave (except Mr Eyre): This is a truncated, West End theatre bill-stylee extract of a quote which fails to reflect and, indeed, distorts what I was saying. That some embittered, attention-span challenged, brains-in-Levis male person who thinks music venues are there to pick up women who don't mind should attempt such a transparently cheap trick is unsurprising. What I said was "Synonym.com says: Sorry, I could not find antonyms for 'misogynist'." And, as a matter of accuracy, that is correct. Women I associate with do not automatically stereotype men as, well, hardly 'inferior' but with inflated superiority pretentions (until of course those that are like that prove it by their crass actions). Misandrous women generally have an agenda: they've been subjected to oppression. And the antonym of 'misandry' is 'philandry', an activity scarcely confined to women. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that, it's just how it's done. I cannot but return to my earlier assertion: the best thing to be seen at a music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing excellently. |
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09 May 07 - 09:15 AM (#2046962) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver And you would never notice if a male (or female) of the species was attractive or downright good looking or ugly?...all you would notice is the music? |
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09 May 07 - 09:22 AM (#2046971) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo How . . . er trivial. What a person 'looks like' is only useful in being able to recognise them again. What and how they play (and what kind of person they are) is infinitely more important. |
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09 May 07 - 09:30 AM (#2046977) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Sugwash The antonymn of misogynist is misandrist — hope that puts an end to it. So to recap: Misogynist — someone who hates women; Misandrist — someone who hates men; Misanthrope — someone who doesn't like anybody very much (can be applied to some Mudcatters it would seem). To the original question, Vin Garbutt. |
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09 May 07 - 09:33 AM (#2046979) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Earl This person called Dave still finds it difficult to agree with the Countess (Child 68 versions I have seen do not name a Countess by BTW - yes I know what the wife of an Earl is called) You are currently hooked on the phrase "The best thing to be seen at a music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing excellently" Last night on my home from work I dropped in to have a peek at a music session and have a late pint.A young fiddler was playing a fast jig tune. He was playing it very well I as a non-musician would have said. But he had head down over his fiddle,his eyes shut and was totaly ignoring the other three fiddlers who it seemed to me would have liked to play along. Also I lost count of the number of times he went through what seemed to me to be the A and B parts of the tune. This seemed to me to both disrespectful to the other muso types and to the music (how long can a dancer carry on dancing a fast jig? not eight and a half minutes I think. Dave |
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09 May 07 - 09:36 AM (#2046983) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe La la la la la la .... Meanwhile, back at the folk club.... Countess Richard, disguised as a woman.... |
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09 May 07 - 09:44 AM (#2046992) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Actually, Countess, you also said: "This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on)." It seems there is. You have entirely over-reacted to a passing comment. Back when we were young and our hormones rampant we all went to folk clubs to score (by which, this time, I refer to sex, although other scoring was not unknown either). The males did it, the females did it, the others of either type did it. We all did it. Each of us showed out, as best we could, for sexual partners of the preferred gender. We all kept an eye out for it. The Hagstrom acoustic brochure was based on it - a leggy (female) blonde with a Hagstrom J-45. The Daion acoustic brochure was based on it - the "Love at first Cmaj7" brochure. Both still sell on ebay. It happened to the chap who was the president before me of my hall at university. He went to a folk club, and there was a girl there, and both agreed they saw nothing else but each other all night. It happened to Jacqui and me. We were sort of going out together, and one night we went to a folk club (Man of Kent, Rainham, Kent) and it was a bit tricky in that her husband was the most significant guitarist there that night (not exactly "guest" 'cos it wasn't a guest night, but you know) and damned cupid chose that night to twang so that we had the very unsettling experience of each other (she and I, not her husband) seeming a bit brighter and a bit more in focus than he rest of the room. We grew out of it later! You might have known her - very involved in the old Phoebus Wakes at the Rising Sun in Catford, resident NTMC, for a while sang pro with a trad harmony band rather like the Young Tradition, called "the Chapmen". Two gay friends of mine, rathre more recently, reported being a little unsettled at a Joan Armatrading concert when the person of gender (well, actually, they said "Diesel Dyke") next to them yelled out "Oooh Joan, I'm coming". It isn't necessary to knock it. The odd flip comment does not mean we are all suddenly going to start behaving as if we leapt off the pages of a John Norman "novel" from the Gorean cycle. Chill! Flirtation in its many forms is part of the process by which we discover if a person to whom we are attracted is attracted by us. It can get pretty direct at times - remember Peter Andre showing Jordan his dick on prime-time TV? I had a friend who found a piece of paper with a girl's name and phone number on, in his underpants one morning, and he couldn't remember how they got there.... It doesn't often happen to me these days but even I have been pretty directly jumped by women at folk events. I wasn't really offered the option of politely making an excuse and leaving. It was either be rude (or at least insensitive) or go along with it. Don't be the only one left out! Come to Knockholt and join in (but not if you are going to poison the atmosphere, there has been one elderly woman (technically a Lady, since she has some rank) there with her toyboy who has been rather a pain some years) the drinking and song! |
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09 May 07 - 09:54 AM (#2046994) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: alanabit My best night in a folk club was either at an early Paul Downes and Phil Beer gig, or hearing the wonderful Bill Boazman. They projected warmth, self assurance and unforgettable music. I can't recall whether I noticed anyone of a different gender at the time, and I guess it would be unwise to mention it even if I did... |
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09 May 07 - 10:02 AM (#2047002) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo remember Peter Andre showing Jordan his dick on prime-time TV? You just don't know how glad I am that I do not. |
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09 May 07 - 10:41 AM (#2047022) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave the Gnome Ahhhhhh - So it isn't all men! Just all men called Dave (except Mr Eyre) I'd feel left out if I was him:-) Out of interest I don't think I have ever judged anyone by their gender, colour, creed or any other such measure. I like and respect most people from the first and they have to do something pretty serious to loose that respect. I do however notice differences in people. How can anyone help that? The bigger the difference the more noticeable of course. If I was at our folk club for instance and a one-legged, black guitarist turned up how am I supposed to describe her? The Guitarist? There are hundreds of those. The good guitarist? Dozens. The female guitarist? Still in the dozens. If I was to describe her as the black one-legged guitarist would I be accused of racial or ability predjudice? How ludicrous. Cheers one of the many misogynistic Daves apparantly... |
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09 May 07 - 11:15 AM (#2047034) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Georgiansilver Oh No Countess Richard.....>>>>>>What a person 'looks like' is only useful in being able to recognise them again. What and how they play (and what kind of person they are) is infinitely more important.<<<<<<< Maybe we should start a new thread on the importance of procreation v's the importance of Folk music..................I do so wonder which the average person would choose...you know...which is most important in the bigger picture? |
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09 May 07 - 11:28 AM (#2047048) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Grab Women I associate with do not automatically stereotype men as, well, hardly 'inferior' but with inflated superiority pretentions Nor do any of the men I associate with stereotype women in that way. If the men *you* associate with are like that, choose a better class of male friend. And commenting on attractiveness usually does not constitute stereotyping as inferior. Also, such compliments are *always* a positive input, indicating that your appearance gives pleasure to other people, and an absence of compliments doesn't convey displeasure so there isn't a downside. (Of course, insults based on appearance *are* hurtful, but that's not what we're talking about here.) As you say, to go out hunting for approval from the opposite sex is usually a demeaning exercise, but to get that approval when you're *not* looking for it or expecting it is nice. I guess in the same way that if you're performing, you have to put on a front to keep people interested; but playing guitar while you're waiting for a train and having someone random say "that sounds nice" is unexpected and gives you a real boost. Misandrous women generally have an agenda: they've been subjected to oppression So women who behave like that are generally victims; but men who behave like that are generally oppressors? You really are trying to have your cake and eat it with that one... Graham. |
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09 May 07 - 11:44 AM (#2047056) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Myrtle Dave, next time you see Ted Edwards, do tell him that he is one of the best....I remember him at Didsbury College folk club singing 'Coalhole Cavalry', and he was wonderful. Regards, Myrtle. |
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09 May 07 - 11:45 AM (#2047057) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle Could be....? Who knows? Neither you nor I. but when the wind is passing by, it perhaps brings on Freudian throwback. Am I missing something here, does anybody give a shit about this nonsense? |
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09 May 07 - 11:57 AM (#2047064) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle Instead of all this bollocks tell us a story about Hedy West, Countess. I saw her one time with Bill Clifton - theres one for the teenagers! never spoke to her. |
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09 May 07 - 12:07 PM (#2047072) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe I bought the wrong bananas, when I went down to the shop, I bought the wrong bananas, but the man told me they're not! |
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09 May 07 - 01:06 PM (#2047115) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,baz parkes Heard rather than seen...in the early seventies, just after Martin Carthy had joined the Watersons (and before his surname was appended!) they were booked at the Late Lamented Giffard folkclubin Wolverhampton. Those of a certain age will remember that the family took their song key from a note or chord from Martin's guitar. On leaving the club the following exchange was heard (for full effect your head needs to hear a Black Country accent, and please, to avoid thread creep, not a Brummie one!!) Punter 1 "Good, wor they..." Punter 2 "Ar....bostin. Shame that bloke at the back cor play 'is guitar though...." Collapse of stout party. Sadly, I cannot recall what either of them looked like, or were wearing... I once asked Vin Garbutt if he wanted a floor spot, but that's another story Baz |
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09 May 07 - 02:55 PM (#2047193) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Rasener King Rollo at Faldingworth Live. He went round at the end and personally thanked everybody for coming and shook their hands. What a nice thing to do. |
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09 May 07 - 04:27 PM (#2047279) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: breezy Hearing and seeing Diz Dizley perform the 'battle of hastings' At the railway tavern catford.Sitting directly in front of Paul Simon and remarking 'I like this' and someone nearby saying it wasnt folk music being captivated by Alex campbell's ability to not sing and to hold an audience in the palm of his hand, in a state of apparent total inebriation, every time i saw him. Joe Stead emptying a bag of crisps into a pint of beer, or was it vice versa les barker and bog rolls performing 'earwig-O' The Old Rope S B |
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09 May 07 - 04:45 PM (#2047295) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Garvallagh Dan O Hara in McElroys Omagh St Paddies day years ago singing a song about a boy who goes to swim in a lake, all the while his sister is telling him not too, sure enuff the young fella buys the farm. Does anyone know the name of this song by the way? |
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09 May 07 - 05:04 PM (#2047305) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: PoppaGator Despite knowing NOTHING about the British folk-music scene and its many performers and personalities, to whom references are made in the serious, "on-topic" contributions to this discussions, I keep checking back here to follow the ongoing psychodrama centered around Countess Richard. First off, I've never quite understood the gender-ambiguity built into a pseudonym that seemingly combines a woman's title with a man's first name. Is this deliberate? Of course, "Richard" could be a last name, but it does not seem to be this person's actual surname. (perhaps it is, and I'm wrong.) If it is a surname, actual or fictional, I'd like to know whether it is pronounced in the usual English mannner or (as is so often the case here in Louisiana) as the French "Ree-SHARD." I have noted that a few respondants have objected to the Countess' "bad language," but that is one of the few among her traits that I actually kind of like. A little vulgarity never bothers me in the least. However, I do find it very curious that she never hesitates to type the word "fuck," but seems to have an aversion to ever spelling out the much-more-innocuous "folk," consistently typing in an asterisk, thus: "f*lk." What the hell is up with that???? This young woman seems to have very deep-seated psycholgical problems with the opposite sex, but my guess is that her sexual orientation is not really the issue; I don't think that any self-respecting lesbian would ever come out with some of the stuff she writes. I know that one can't generalize about a human being based on internet text alone, but I strongly suspect that she's probably hetero in orientation and in (perhaps limited) practice, but that she can't maintain an onoging relationship with a male partner beyond the one-night-stand stage, and that her long-term friendships with male individuals are exclusively with gay men who provide "girlfriend"-type support and affection. Here in the US, if not elsewhere, there's an unfortunate, politically-very-incorrect term for this personalilty type: "fag hag." |
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09 May 07 - 06:06 PM (#2047338) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Richard Bridge Poppa, she ain't young. But that is not the point. Likewise (forgive me if I state the obvious) the state or preferences of the countess's sex life is her business not ours. She explains "f*lk" above. And countess richard is a personality in a child ballad who is hard-done-by. |
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09 May 07 - 06:24 PM (#2047353) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Guest What a strange and insulting posting! If the time spent on composing it had been spent simply looking the answers to the questions would have been found in other contributions on this site. The last points are really beyond belief (I'm a man by the way). They don't deserve a response from their target and I hope they don't receive one. Despite the Countess's childish tendency to nit-pick about orthographical matters (as she likes to call them) and to self-indulge in personal sideswipes, the general thrust of her postings IS directed at the subject matter of the thread- something that PopaGator (something to do with alligators no doubt) seemingly has no interest whatsoever. Since you don't mind earthy language PopaGator I suggest you fuck off until you've something useful to contribute. |
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09 May 07 - 06:31 PM (#2047359) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: PoppaGator Thanks, Richard. I apologize ~ to the Countess and to everyone else ~ for my rudeness, but I felt a need to 'fess up to my morbid fascination with a truly demented conversation, and undoubtedly went too far in spilling my guts about the thoughts that have unavoidably passed through my mind while indulging myself here. I meant to use the phrase "like a moth to a flame" early in my previous post to describe my compusion to keep coming back here to track the latest developments, but forgot to do so. So now I've said it. I'm not proud of my inability to ignore this nonsense and just virtually walk away. I missed the bit explaining "f*lk," will go back and re-read. The ballad from which the name comes is undoubtedly in the DT, I assume. I'll check that out, too. I'm sure that someone is pleased that I have betrayed my own ignorance about that. |
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09 May 07 - 06:32 PM (#2047360) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe oooooooooooooooo, a hard man nowadays, is good to find.... |
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09 May 07 - 06:37 PM (#2047368) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe You can work them in sometimes, you see........ ah.... door, there, ok... |
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09 May 07 - 06:40 PM (#2047372) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle very rude guest! Poppagator has written some things about music, and it IS hard to understand all this other nonsense. It is offensive, if you're a man. In romantic matters, one is often expected to be the initiator - and its hard to get the attitude right - nobody pleases everybody. some members have obviously found some of the things said not just offensive, but upsetting. Whatever her age and condition, she should be more careful of others' feelings. Some people are on their own and vulnerable, and basic courtesy costs nothing. I just wish we could talk about music onthis thread. The Countess has obviously lived through some great evenings in folk clubs and met some great artists - perhaps known them as friends. It would nice to share some of her thoughts on that - rather than this other squabbling, which I find disturbing, |
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09 May 07 - 06:42 PM (#2047375) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Fooles Troupe "countess richard is a personality in a child ballad who is hard-done-by." Psychologists doubtless would wonder why someone deliberately chooses a public handle that reflects that, but I don't. |
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09 May 07 - 07:07 PM (#2047397) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Ref Hmmmm. I could talk about the great performers I saw when they were young and unknown or the old troupers still able to raise their voices and the spirits of the audience, but I believe the best are the local lads and lasses with warm voices, sure hands on their instruments, and enough wit in their eyes and their words to leave us wanting MORE. |
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09 May 07 - 07:08 PM (#2047402) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo I am on my own, I'm vulnerable more often than not and I'm mega-pissed off with neolithic, aeons-past-sell-by, offensively patronising attitudes from certain posters who just have no clue how to conduct themselves in C21 civilised society, let alone a music venue. Yes, I have always written to topic (that's the strap-line above the text box that no-one much seems to read) and responded to counter a post about predatory behaviour in a club. The contributor seemed to imagine this was 'harmless banter' and refused to face how intimidating and offensive this can be to some women. My name was actually chosen for me by a friend when I first came into Mudcat about four years ago to defend a performer who was getting a kicking for being young, talented and successful, far too quickly for some. We wrote a parody of Child #68 to immortalise a ridiculously farcical situation and I decided to take the pseudonym as a shit-proof umbrella. A wise move, not that there are many who haven't seen through it. Now will you all sod off and stop trying to find out who my friends and lovers are. I'm not saying. |
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09 May 07 - 07:25 PM (#2047420) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Ythanside The bartender calling over his shoulder,'I'm off home now, so just help yourselves and leave the money on the bar, and the last one out has to drop the latch on the door.' This happened in Scotty's, Alice Springs at around 3am one January morning in 2002. Memories, admittedly a tad blurred, are made of this. |
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09 May 07 - 07:36 PM (#2047428) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Guest of 06.24 Credit to Popagator for his immediate and stylish retraction. And Countess- nobody's really interested. |
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09 May 07 - 07:46 PM (#2047435) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Nobody's interested in what and how do you know? Music venues have a strong interest in offering a harassment-free space. This makes commercial sense as well as being a better environment for music. Which is why the majority are there in the first place. Those whose motivation is otherwise would do well to take it elsewhere. Like Mars. |
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09 May 07 - 07:57 PM (#2047443) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Big Al Whittle I dunno. I don't give a bugger who knows who I am. And nothing has happened to me. Perhaps different for a woman. Occasionally you feel persecuted and misunderstood. That's mainly because we're all from different places (in every sense). http://bigalwhittle.co.uk/ if anyones in doubt! Some people just spit poison across cyberspace like 14 year olds. They fail to grasp that we are mostly mature people, and we haven't come to our opinions and attitudes through cussedness or reading something some dim journalist has thought up - they are the sum of our life's experiences. They are the way we need to conduct ourselves to be the people we are. The bold sexual innuendo that upsets the Countess is perhaps a way of reaching out. Don't we all ignore stuff everyday we don't appreciate. Perhaps the Countess is waiting for someone to say - well done gal! You showed those MCPs! A kindred spirit out there. Lets hope we all find kindred spirits somewhere. |
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09 May 07 - 08:16 PM (#2047452) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Guest of 6.24 CR: Nobody here's interested in the private details of your friends and lovers is what I meant. And WLD- I think some patronising git did say that. End of my little input. |
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09 May 07 - 08:49 PM (#2047473) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: The Borchester Echo Stop the psycho-babble. I'm not in the slightest bit upset by 'bold sexual innuendo', if it's amusing. Nor am I particulary upset at stupid speculation, just bored, contemptuous and unforthcoming. The Alligator has, however, apologised for his quaintly imaginative prurience. I'm not usually intimidated at threatening and inappropriate male behaviour at music venues but would wish them to be safe place for those who do feel harassed and afraid. Did some patronising git really say 'well done gal' for expressing this? What I want is for it not to be necessary and that they would get on with listening to the music which is what they should have gone there for in the first place. |
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10 May 07 - 12:50 AM (#2047608) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Michael This is a 'combination thread' answer to include the 'what got you hooked' thread. In the mid '60s we had regular 'folk nights' Agricultural College with singer-songwriters and people who sang Dylan etc. So when I went home I found a local Folk Club and this strange looking fellow with pony tail walked on stage and with no introduction launched into 'The Fox Jumped Over the Parson's Gate'.I was gobsmacked and hooked; Pete Bellamy has a lot to answer for. Mike |
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10 May 07 - 02:42 AM (#2047638) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: Dave Sutherland The title that you are looking for Garvallagh is "The Lakes of Shilyn" or "Lakes of Coolfin" I have heard it sung both ways. Best thing - possibly Ewan MacColl singing "James Herries" in South Shields C1970 although there are really too meny to mention. |
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10 May 07 - 06:26 AM (#2047808) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Patronising git. CR: Yes. |
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10 May 07 - 09:09 AM (#2047950) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,ROB THE ROADIE ANGIE WRIGHT SINGING "CRY OF THE WORLD" SEE HER AT THE LEITH FOLK CLUB TUESDAY MAY 29TH IN SUPPORT OF CLIVE GREGSON. |
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10 May 07 - 02:26 PM (#2048263) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: PoppaGator I swore I would never come back here, but yielded to temptation as soon as I saw this thread title teetering the bottom of the "last-24-hours" list. Countess: I think you're absolutely crazy, but find you endlessly entertaining. In turn, I acknowledge your right to hold whatever opinion you wish about me. I was off base expressing my idle thoughts, guessing at just what variety of abnormal psychology might apply to you. I'm sure that, just as for me and for all the rest of us, there is much more to you than what you choose to reveal in your cyber-typing. Best thing I ever heard at a folk club? "Looks like the next act didn't show ~ wanna play another hour?" |
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11 May 07 - 01:48 AM (#2048817) Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie I couldn't honestly say which one thing is the best thing I've ever seen in a folk club but here's a short list of things I remember from the past 30 odd years Hedgehog Pie The Hot Pot Belly Band the first time I ever saw Bernie Parry Jeremy Taylor Planxty Christy Moore Andy Irvine Bernard Wrigley Mike Harding Gary & Vera Aspey Irish band 'Burnt Peat' featuring on accordion none other than the man you catters love to hate DAVE BULMER |