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14 Jun 07 - 05:23 AM (#2076574) Subject: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob Yet another crisis looms in our society. Woman are now requesting all businesses and public buildings permit breast feeding in public. No more heading off to the toilets or broom closet. I never actually knew it was banned in public ! I think there is a time and place for everything. Imagine sitting in a restaurant looking forward to your milk pudding and the lady at the next table decides to whip one out and provide lunch. Things are getting out of hand, I am also sick of those sanitary towel advertisements on television. Where have the morals in our society gone ? |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:30 AM (#2076578) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: artbrooks What does feeding a hungry infant have to do with morality? And why should this be done in the bathroom; is nursing associated with defecation? |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:45 AM (#2076589) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Schantieman Absolutely, Art. By far the best way to feed a baby (until the last few decades the only way) and why the hell shouldn't they eat where we eat? Steve |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:54 AM (#2076594) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: villandeleted breastfeeding is infinately better than having the baby screaming its head off becuase it is hungry. Most women are discreet. I can't think of anything worse for mother and baby than having to go to the toilet to do it. Would you eat your meal in the bog? |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:06 AM (#2076598) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Folk Form # 1 For Gods sake, keep them in. If you think about it, if they can get them out to feed babies, they can get them out for the lads, surely. |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:17 AM (#2076601) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Joe Offer There was a woman breastfeeding behind me at choir practice in church this evening. Seemed perfectly fine to me. I've always thought that breastfeeding in a rest room was unsanitary. -Joe- |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:24 AM (#2076604) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: skipy My stance on breasts is well known! On this subject I believe they should be allowed to feed on demand. I for one acctually avert my eye, believe it or not! Skipy |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:40 AM (#2076614) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rasener >>I for one acctually avert my eye, believe it or not! << I think most decent people do Skipy |
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14 Jun 07 - 07:10 AM (#2076624) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Scooby Doo I was at the Gower festival at the weekend and i sat next to a woman who breast fed her 12 week old baby it stopped her screaming during the concert and the mother could watch the concert too. Scooby |
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14 Jun 07 - 07:16 AM (#2076629) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Folk Form # 1 I for one acctually avert my eye, believe it or not!- Skipy ...out of embarrassment, probably. |
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14 Jun 07 - 07:23 AM (#2076634) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: villandeleted Why out of embarrasment. Surely its only polite to avert ones eyes. |
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14 Jun 07 - 08:14 AM (#2076674) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario Back when my niece and nephew were young my sister often breast fed in public - she was discreet and rarely were there objections. Several women in our church have in the past or do breast feed in church. Again, rarely anyone objects. The strange thing is we DID have some people at the restauraunt I worked in that objected to a customer who was breast-feeding - and when I pointed out that my relatives had done the same on numerous occasions no one realized my sister *had* been feeding the child! |
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14 Jun 07 - 08:18 AM (#2076676) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Donuel I know that pidgeons like pop corn but what exactly do breasts eat? |
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14 Jun 07 - 08:28 AM (#2076682) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Big Mick I can't believe this is a subject for a thread. Biggest non issue ever. Get over it. |
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14 Jun 07 - 08:36 AM (#2076692) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: DMcG Guest Bob said: Yet another crisis looms in our society Would that all our crises were on this scale! My sister-in-law used to breastfeed in her church as well during services if that's when the baby was hungry. Seems perfectly natural to me. No-one has picked up your comment on sanitary towels yet. Can you give any good reason why something relevant to maybe a quarter of the population (taking age into account, folks!) being advertised is against morality? Unless you think all advertising is, of course. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:07 AM (#2076719) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Donuel big issue, perhaps not but you still hear of women being thrown off airline flights for breast feeding etc. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:14 AM (#2076728) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: KB in Iowa Good lord. Breast feeding is as natural a thing as there is. If our culture weren't so obsessed with breasts (I am not immune) it would not be an issue at all. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:16 AM (#2076731) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rapparee It's done all the time at the Library, with mom sitting in a rocker with a shawl discretely over her shoulder, chatting with her friends while the other kid(s) are in story hour. It's a matter of loosening a few buttons and opening a bra. Done and going in a few seconds. Never had a complaint, and unless you know you can't even tell it's being done. As for ads for "feminine towels" or whatever you said they were -- how about the ads for male "erectile dysfunction" pills? Or for beer? |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:19 AM (#2076740) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Donuel how about Viagra Beer? omg now there is a $billion idea. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:22 AM (#2076749) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko This thread was started by a troll. Obviously no one with an IQ greater than their age really cares. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:22 AM (#2076750) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha I simply don't believe this. What on earth do you think they are actually FOR????? |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:54 AM (#2076789) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bee-dubya-ell ...but you still hear of women being thrown off airline flights for breast feeding.... Well, I hope the airlines are at least considerate enough to provide a parachute. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:59 AM (#2076793) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace Tell me this, GUEST Bob. Kids eat. That's what they do. They eat, poop and go goo-goo-gaa-burp. Why would you want a mother to hide in a washroom to feed her infant? Many women feed their children in public. They do it modestly and move on with their days. Of much more interest to me is why you perceive a breast to be disgusting. It's a milk bottle with a pre-attached nipple fer krissake. Grow up. Morality? Examine your own! |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:01 AM (#2076796) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha Thank you Peace. You expressed it quite well. No pun intended! |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:11 AM (#2076810) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Michael So Guest Bob, It's ok to feed babies chemical concoctions from a plastic bottle with a rubber teat in public but not ok to feed them with what god provided? Mike |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:14 AM (#2076815) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Janie As MMario pointed out, most people won't even notice that a woman is breatfeeding an infant. Only once or twice when I was breatfeeding, did anyone seem to notice, or if they did, seem uncomfortable or to think it was distasteful. I'm sorry they felt that way, but clearly the needs of an infant take priority over the too delicate sensibilities of some adults. Janie |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:20 AM (#2076821) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: frogprince HAPPY TROLLS, TO YOU... God help us, if some people have their way, we will be assaulted on all sides with sickening sights like these |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:23 AM (#2076826) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace Heaven forfend! However, it has always been a matter of curiousity to me how women can breast feed and not suffer tremendous pain. I mean, boiling your breast to heat the milk has gotta hurt like a sonuvabitch. |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:35 AM (#2076836) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob Clearly by the responses here we live in a very sad society. I myself think some things are best kept private. This is all part of this "Hey, Look at me,I am ultra modern liberated woman crap". Frankly any lady prepared to take her breast out in a public place and feed a child and subject any of us to this sight is disgusting. Why the need for nappy changing rooms ? just stop a stranger, ask them to hold the baby while the mom puts a diaper on her child. Do it in restaurants, churches or shopping mall. This is all getting ridiculous. |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:39 AM (#2076840) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Scooby Doo Why do you not except that its law now and good luck to all breast feeding mothers here in the UK. Scooby. |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:51 AM (#2076848) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Amos I find more ridiculous the thought that breast feeding an infant is in any way disgusting. What part of your reactionary attitude toward body parts has anything to do with morality? I suspect there is a perverse emotional inversion at play here -- the inability to tolerate real life. I would suggest you take your attention offf of others' breasts and direct it toward your own heart. A |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:52 AM (#2076849) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,James H Come on Bob, tell us why it is disgusting. A breast, a baby... that revolts you because...? |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:52 AM (#2076850) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Pilgrim Ah, Bob. Although I strongly suspect this thread is something of a wind up, in case you really are that twisted, here goes. Yes, we do live in an amoral, sad society. A glance up and down the contents page of this site will reveal that people drown horses, kidnap children and stab each other. And in the midst of all this you have chosen to seek out, er, the nursing mother for condemnation. Yes, some things do really deserve to be kept private and have no place in a civilised society. Bigotry and hate mongering would be amongst these. A child having its tea would not. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:09 AM (#2076863) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario Changing stations are available and used for several reasons; convenience, safety of the child, and sanitation. and I heartily applaud the companies and venues that have added them in *MEN'S* restrooms. But I've seen diapers changed publicly in all the situations you've described; also on buses, at concerts, and in the lobby of a movie theatre. Because *my* first stint at diaper changing occurred a few decades ago - I didn't have much choice in where I changed the kids; there were few to no diaper changing stations available to me. And if I had to change them on a seat cushion or floor I wasn't about to do it in a restroom! |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:10 AM (#2076866) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: gnomad I'm not sure what the law [if any] is at present in the UK. I have no problem with women breastfeeding an infant anywhere that it is safe for them to do so. I suspect that many are most comfortable if they can find a quiet corner, presumably to avoid the lascivious gaze of some, and the ire of others, or because they feel that the moment is a private one between themselves and the child. Thoughtful organisations provide such corners, which are often teamed with toilet areas so that the child's other needs may be met, and hygiene maintained. I would not support any organisation trying to insist on the use of such rooms for feeding, but do support their provision. I would support a ban on the feeding [or "changing"] of trolls though. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:14 AM (#2076874) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: greg stephens Dont feed the trolls, only the babies, might be a good motto on this thread. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:17 AM (#2076876) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rapparee First off, Bob seems to think that when the babe's hungry Mom just sort of opens up and flops 'er right out. Bob, it doesn't happen that way. Actually, the breastfeeding I've seen in public provides more coverage for the mother than many (most?) bloused, tee shirts, and swimsuits. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:18 AM (#2076879) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rapparee And if it offends you, why not just avert your eyes? Why do I suspect you're a troll? |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:20 AM (#2076881) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: John Hardly What I find offensive in the whole breast-feeding-in-public issue is watching men who stand in line hoping to be next. But that's just my opinion. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:28 AM (#2076892) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Bob, you can't be that ridiculous. Why are you putting us on like this? Wha secret thrill do you receive by starting a thread that you know is stupid? |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:29 AM (#2076893) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Liz the Squeak It's a jealousy thing... those blokes are just angry that the babies are getting close-ups of breasts and not them. :D I could never understand how certain men would openly ogle a pair of nekkid breasts in the newspapers, at the newsagents, on the beach... but as soon as a baby was attached to one, they'd go all 'euuwww, that's disgusting'! Besides... if women have to stop breastfeeding in public areas, then blokes can stop pissing in the gutters, up walls, in bushes, off train platforms, behind the pub, by the bins, on trees like a dog, over road signs, in the train, out of car windows (yes, I've seen it done!) and in fact, just keep it zipped till you find a toilet! LTS |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:33 AM (#2076900) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario Sadly - people with that attitude *do* exist and at least some are quite vocal about their disgust with public breast-feeding. since I have a number of friends who are lactation counselors and a goodly number who have breastfed I've witnessed and heard about those who object more then I care to. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:34 AM (#2076904) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob Here we go again. Bring up a subject you hold a view on and straight away if it doesn't go down well with either the hen picked males on the site or "new woman" you are a troll (I had to read the definition on the web). I am not here to start an argument,and I am no troll either, just wishing to express a viewpoint about something that I find disgusting in public. Well having read your opinions I think it's fair to say, Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:39 AM (#2076910) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww . . . . |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:45 AM (#2076918) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rapparee One lovely Spring evening, Liz, my wife and I were sitting on the back porch enjoying our daily humor show of the golfers on the fairway behind our house (someday the city is going to charge entertainment tax!) when we saw a fellow "water" one of the evergreens on the other side of the fairway. Oh, what I wouldn't have given to have my air rifle with me! "Reach out, reach out and touch someone...." I promise you a vertical jump of at least 25 feet. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:46 AM (#2076920) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Jean(eanjay) I didn't ever feel that I would be comfortable with breast feeding my own babies in public. One thing that does concern me is that there are other women who wouldn't feel comfortable doing it either. I just hope that they are never made to feel as though there is something wrong with them because they don't wish to do it. I can see Bob's point of view. Some women are able to breastfeed discreetly but others make a MEAL of it............... SORRY - I just couldn't resist. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:47 AM (#2076922) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: frogprince I don't feel as disgusted at you now as I did, Bob. Now I just feel more sad for your sake, living with such a negative attitude toward a totally normal healthy part of human life. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:47 AM (#2076924) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Yep, Bob is a troll. It is one thing to have a different opinion, but you state your case in a way that you know will cause a confrontation and you are looking for a fight. Sounds like you are the hen pecked victim looking to justify your own existence. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:48 AM (#2076925) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Scooby Doo Bob, Did you let your wife breast feed in public or are you a prude?. Scooby |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:48 AM (#2076927) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario Here we go again. Bring up a subject that is disagreed with by virtually every other poster who cares to comment, and it's a case of persecution. It couldn't possibly be that the poster has an uncommon or unpopular viewpoint, it must be that the response is due to the faults inherent in those responding. And if "bob" thinks that this site is populated by hen-pecked men and "new women" as he has steted, then the choice of subject by definition makes him a troll. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:49 AM (#2076931) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bee Well, if you aren't a troll, "Bob", what exactly is the disgusting part? How is it immoral? Most humans are aware that breasts are functional structures for feeding babies. Babies have to be fed frequently throughout the day. Public bathrooms are unsanitary for that purpose. Most women feed their babies discreetly (assuming the sight of a breast revolts you). It's hard not to, since the nipple's mostly in the baby's mouth and the rest of the breast is as covered as anyone's breast in a modern bathing suit is, if not more so. Most women don't particularly want their milk filled breasts stared at, and most people aren't interested in staring. C'mon, give us your reasons. |
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14 Jun 07 - 11:51 AM (#2076933) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario eanjay - I don't think any woman should be forced to breastfeed in public if she doesn't wish to do so; but I also don't think that a woman should be forced to isolate herself when doing so. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:09 PM (#2076954) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bill D Think about it....there are 2 basic opinions here: those who see no problem with the practice, and those who are embarrassed and uncomfortable.....so the REAL issue comes down to whether that embarrassed minority should be able to curtail the freedom and convenience of mothers to soothe their delicate psyches. This is the issue with many folks who are 'conservative' about issues.....part of their notion of 'correctness' is to legislate or harass others into, if not agreeing, behaving to suit their conservative views. Answer: Leave Mom & baby alone and look somewhere else. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:20 PM (#2076966) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rog Peek BillD Could we see details of the results of this extensive suvey on which you base your premise that the objectors are in the minority, or are you suggesting that this post is representative of the whole population? |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:22 PM (#2076968) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Metchosin What's "new woman" about breast feeding in public? LOL I was doing it 30 years ago, like countless generations of women before me......I believe the Victorians were a slight aberation in human history. How you do fare with the new bung up your ass when your out and about, guest Bob? Wouldn't want to let one of those to slip by in public, would you?......odd....haven't seen any adverts for them though...... |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:29 PM (#2076975) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bill D Well, Rog....how much time do you have? I have observed the phenomenon for about 53 years...(since the birth of my first child), and that has been my experience ever since...but also, in THIS discussion, in THIS thread, it seems that the protesters are also in the minority. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:41 PM (#2076988) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob My wife did breastfeed yes. She did it in the privacy of our home. Clearly I belong to an older generation who believes that there are some functions others don't need exposed to. Most of you have made a judgement on me because of my views, that's fine, it still won't change them. Yes motherhood and breast feeding in a natural thing. I am sorry if I find society changing and find some things unacceptable. I was out for a meal with my daughter and son in law last Friday evening when a young lady sitting with her partner fed her child at the next table. She really made such an issue of it. She was loud, sat smiling at those like myself who deemed it inappropriate and made no effort to cover herself (both breasts were exposed). The proud father sat smiling and kept placing his head to one side and saying silly stupid things followed by "ah". If you find my views wrong, that is entirely up to you. I also find young women who walk around shopping malls with a cut away top on exposing her naked tummy disgusting too, there have a go at me again for it. If I belong to a generation that most of you find prudish, God save us from what your generation is going to find socially acceptable next. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:48 PM (#2076995) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Bob, the generation before yours would have thought you lacked morals as well for your loose lifestyle. I bet you wear only swim trunks at the beach and your wife probably has worn a skirt in her lifetime. Those were deemed unacceptable in the past. Whether we think you are a prude or disagree with your views really does not matter. Lifestyles change. As you can see, most people disagree with your position and it is doubtful that we will ever go back to those times. Life goes on, with or without your consent. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:48 PM (#2076996) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario I'm just curious as to *WHICH* generation you belong to, Bob? Because historically there is only a very short period of time when breast feeding in public has *not* been acceptable and that only in *some*, primarily Anglocentric societies. It was considered "lower class" for a slightly longer period of time; but while the "gentry" might not breastfeed in public the wetnurses would. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:52 PM (#2076999) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Jean(eanjay) ...... and those who are embarrassed and uncomfortable.....so the REAL issue comes down to whether that embarrassed minority should be able to curtail the freedom and ......... Just so long as people remember that not everybody who feels uncomfortable about doing it themselves objects to other people doing it. ......... She really made such an issue of it. She was loud, sat smiling at those like myself who deemed it inappropriate and made no effort to cover herself (both breasts were exposed)....... It is the people who are "in your face" when they do it that really puts people off. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:52 PM (#2077001) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace And many of the 'gentry' used the services of wet nurses. |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:53 PM (#2077003) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Metchosin A well made burka would soon solve all distress with the public display of the female form in all its incantations. Oooh! oooh! I can still see her eyes.....Keep 'er confined! That will sort it! |
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14 Jun 07 - 12:55 PM (#2077007) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario I suspect the "in your face" people will always find *something* to be "in your face" about, such as the Vegans that will walk into a SteakHouse and complain (loudly) they can't get a meal that suits them. *THAT* is another issue entirely. |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:01 PM (#2077013) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bardan I think this must be a very anglo and possibly even more american than anywhere else sort of issue. I've never heard anyone making a fuss about this on the continent, in the same way as topless sunbathing on the beach etc is rarely an issue for those that want to do it. In America apparently people get prosecuted for topless sunbathing. Bizarre. Aren't people obsessing a little bit about breasts? I mean they're lovely, don't get me wrong but should there really be that much fuss about them? |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:05 PM (#2077017) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Don Firth Nothing "digusting" or "distasteful" about it at all. This is no longer the Victorian Age when people put skirts on piano legs because they were, after all, "legs," and some people might find that prurient. The times they are a-changin', Bob. Get over it! Don Firth |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:10 PM (#2077023) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Don Firth By the way, Bob, if seeing a woman breast-feeding her baby is so disturbing and disgusting, then tell me: why do you find so many paintings and other depictions of the Madonna breast-feeding the baby Jesus? For centuries, it has been one of the major subjects for artists painting religious themes. Don Firth |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:24 PM (#2077042) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Bardan, I don't think this reaction against breast feeding is coming from the United States. My guess is that Bob is from the UK. Breast feeding in public is not illegal in any state, as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong. People have come to accept it around here. A quick search shows that this has been a recent story in the UK and I think they may actually be behind the curve on this one. Topless sunbathing is gaining here too. |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:26 PM (#2077043) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Stilly River Sage So the story finally comes out. The breast-feeding bigot met an exhibitionist twit. And the result is a thread at Mudcat in which all nursing mothers are condemned to the loo to nurse. Give me a break, Bob! You go sit in the bathroom next time you see a nursing mother, wait until she finishes. See how you like it. Most women are discreet about nursing, they don't let both breasts hang out in public. To condemn the practice because one woman didn't have a grasp of how it works is ludicrous. I probably would have spoken to her about the practice and helped her figure out a more discreet way to nurse in public. You'd be surprised how grateful new mothers are when someone offers kind assistance. Unfortunately, women in our society suffered a disconnect at the time that baby bottles came into full production, and there are women in this generation still who don't know how to do it. Maybe this woman was a bottle baby who now with her own baby is overshooting the mark as far as how much to expose. Frankly, having both breasts out is silly, the one not being nursed at will dribble. Gently pressing a forearm on the breast no in use, while it is covered, is the common practice. Nursing is one of the most satisfying exchanges IN THE WORLD between mother and child. It is a beautiful act, when you have the opportunity to glimpse it. Notice how the child immediately quiets, and almost purrs in pleasure, and watch the eye contact between mother and child. SRS |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:27 PM (#2077045) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bill D I think you have a very good point, Bardan...some people ARE "obsessing a little bit about breasts". Some have grown to consider them as intimate body parts relating to sexuality, and can't do the 'mind shift' to deal with them as milk glands for babies. I have trained myself to shift back & forth, as the situation demands. If a young woman in a bikini accidently loses her top, it affects me one way...if she slips one side down to feed her baby, it is totally different. It is not even necessary for a baby to be involved...once, at a folk festival, (in the campground area) I was talking to 'young' lady who was obviously a free-spirit type. She decided she needed a different blouse, and with barely a "hope you don't mind", she stripped off her shirt and put on another one. For about 4.5 seconds her breasts were exposed...and I just mentally shrugged. I was mildly surprised, but neither offended nor excited, as she was making no attempt to do either one. It IS important to work it out in your own head, and not expect some objective standard to exist to control all situations. |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:27 PM (#2077047) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,mg I think the deal is that women should do what they can to be discreet..and most do..but I have seen the exhibitionist ones and it is uncomfortable for others...if you are in a restaurant you can turn your chair somewhat and drape yourself with a shawl or baby blanket. It is not a situation where someone needs to forego all modesty when you are with strangers...if it is your own circle of friends do whatever...I think if people know the woman is making a reasonable effort..which gets harder as the kid gets older and squirmier..they appreciate it. mg |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:33 PM (#2077051) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Janie I was a nursing mother when my 93 year old grandmother died. During the visitation time at the funeral home, I spent about 20 minutes sitting in a secluded alcove to breastfeed my 2 month old infant. During that 20 minute period a number of elderly to ancient people, male and female alike, sought me out to have a chat. They found me by asking my mother where I was. She said, "Over there, she's nursing." I don't think it is a generational issue. Any kind of behavior or activity can be carried out in an obnoxious manner. That doesn't necessarily make the activity itself innately obnoxious or offensive. I have found myself thoroughly disqusted by the way some people eat. That doesn't warrant me wanting to see eating in public banned. Janie |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:33 PM (#2077052) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Big Mick To me this is much ado about nothing. Bill D hit it on the head. Bob, see a therapist to deal with your "Mother" issues. There is nothing more beautiful to see than a Mother connecting with her child in this way. Maggie had that part dead on. Mick |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:33 PM (#2077053) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Big Mick Has anyone written any decent songs about this? Mick |
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14 Jun 07 - 01:54 PM (#2077065) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bill D I suppose that would be different from INdecent songs, huh, Mick? ...and yeah...there is a fine line between just not trying to 'cover up' and being obviously exhibitionist about it. But the process OF making extra effort to hide the feeding is also calling attention to it. Some mothers are as conflicted about it as some men, I suppose. My final opinion...if it ain't against the law, ignore it. |
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14 Jun 07 - 02:53 PM (#2077109) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Scoville Most women just throw a shawl or baby blanket over the process and get on with business. They should definitely NOT have to do this in the bathroom. How would you like to eat your lunch in the bathroom? Ugh. Bob, get a life. And some therapy. |
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14 Jun 07 - 03:07 PM (#2077124) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: gnu Bob said, "Well having read your opinions I think it's fair to say, Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one." True Bob. In your case, that makes two. |
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14 Jun 07 - 04:32 PM (#2077187) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rog Peek Anecdotal then BillD? |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:18 PM (#2077236) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha Well, at least the other side of the story is out, and the thread got funny. Erm, SRS/Maggie....'dribble'? DRIBBLE? I didn't dribble, I shot baskets! From the outside circle! If I'd have bared both like that, Bob probably would have gotten a mouthful! How's THAT for offensive? I do agree that the woman in question was OTT with that behaviour. I was stewarding at a festival once when our daughter was an infant. I took her into the staff trailer/caravan to feed her. I was alone with her, but I still covered my shoulder with the blanket. 4 older men came in for coffee and saw her feet sticking out. One said, OH A BABY! and whipped back the blanket to see the baby....you never saw so many men turn so many colours in your life. He could not apologize enough, and I couldn't stop laughing. Kate never missed a suck. Fellas, never ever ever whip back the blankie to see the cute little baby. Well, I guess you could......Hail Caesar, we who are about to die salute you. Not many women would think it was funny like I did. |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:30 PM (#2077249) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Amos Bob: It's not "your generation"; it's your degree of willingness to face calmly and without reaction what is going on around you. A |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:45 PM (#2077261) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bill D anecdotal? What? |
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14 Jun 07 - 05:50 PM (#2077263) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: skipy For goodness sake, a hungry baby is a hungry baby, we are mammals, it's what we do, so lets do it. Skipy |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:03 PM (#2077270) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Nick E To parapharase a line from When Harry Met Saly.... I'll Have What He's Having |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:05 PM (#2077273) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sabine ridiculous, sorry. I am following the discussion on tv and newspapers and can only shake my head. maybe it's just me but I really cannot understand why it should be healthy to fill your babies with chemical stuff and later on freak out over artificial colours in sweeties. a lot of things concerning nursing and parenting and childcare here in Britain are a contradiction in terms. I never liked and still don't like women who feel the need to expose themselves or their breasts in public while breastfeeding. There is def. no need to do so. This also does not have anything to do with "fighting for their rights". Excuse me, this is the 21st century we are living in the "fighting for rights" should belong to the past. I sometimes find the behaviour of some guys in public much more disgusting like a breastfeeding mother. On the one minute they are scratching their privates, then wiping their nose and then offering you the same hand to say hello. Thanks a lot... |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:07 PM (#2077274) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sabine sorry... "disgusting THAN a breastfeeding mother" not "like" |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:35 PM (#2077289) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bardan Oh right! It's a British thing is it? Have to admit I haven't watched the news recently or anything. I thought breastfeeding was fine in Britain though. Wasn't there a female MP a while back who was doing it at westminister? |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:39 PM (#2077293) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha Oh no...tell me she didn't actually DO IT at a dog show???? Noooooo, dogs aren't that disgusting. (Westminster Dog Show...the 'Crufts' of the US) |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:49 PM (#2077301) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bardan No as in the houses of parliament. (Hence MP.) Something I very vaguely remember though. I wouldn't be able to give chapter and verse stuff. |
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14 Jun 07 - 06:56 PM (#2077306) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rockhen If you don't breastfeed your baby in public, for the first year of its life, you can end up having to spend an awful lot of time, maybe even half of your baby's time awake, in what ever quiet spot is available in the place you happen to be, often the loo. Tiny babies feed a lot and often take ages. I do agree, however, that a few women are a bit OTT when they feed their babies. Perhaps it may be that they are still getting used to it as it can take a while to figure the technique out for mum and baby. I think there are just one or two, who do, as eanjay put it, 'make a meal of it', for attention, but I don't think there are many. I never noticed anyone appearing upset when I used to feed my kids, I don't think people could tell because it is possible to be discrete. You could say, why should women bother about being discrete, but I guess our current society has made it so that it is just easier and less hassle, to feed quietly and without drawing too much attention to yourself. Whether, or not, this thread is just meant to provoke heated debate, I would always support anyone trying to breastfeed, (lol, just realised I didn't mean it quite like that...!)as it is not always easy, or even possible, for everyone but is, in my opinion,worth doing. Go for it, ladies! :-) |
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14 Jun 07 - 07:11 PM (#2077319) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob So much for the freedom of speech and opinion. I brought a viewpoint to the forum for open discussion and the level of insults and lack of intelligent replies says a lot more amount certain individuals here than it does about me. Regarding Mick's advice on seeking therapy, I don't really feel that need Mick, do you ? I know who I am and don't go through life living an identity or nationality crisis. As for gnu's remark. After reading through some of your previous posts here and the responses to them from other members, I feel you certainly are in a prime reflective position to speak on this subject. Scoville, most posters tend to use original comments of their own here, you should give it consideration. As for the tacky remarks made by some others, well what do you expect from a pig but a grunt. |
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14 Jun 07 - 07:31 PM (#2077332) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rowan A few years ago a newly elected MP in the Victorian parliament had a new babe and needed to breastfeed. Not wanting to absent herself from the important business of the moment (whether parliamentary or infant-directed) she breastfed (discreetly) in the House. Parliament is a very male-dominated domain and there were (and still are) unreconstructed anachronisms like Bob in abundance, so the uproar was intense. Parliament got fitted with nappy-changing rooms and expressing facilities and everyone settled done to a much more mature set of behaviours. Having been the partner of a shy woman, I know the thoughts that go through such women's minds about breastfeeding in public, but she always managed it comfortably for all concerned and nobody objected. I came to the opinion (yes Bob, I too have one, and surmise from your spelling of arsehole that you're not from the continent between the Atlantic and Pacific) that many men are quite self-centred in their view of breasts. Pun intended. They seem to have the notion that the only purpose of breasts is to titillate males and react according to their notion of the appropriateness of such titllation. They seem to not understand that the primary function of mammaries in mammals is to nurture the young and that any other function is secondary. And although I have been very active in promulgating women's rights and was a dab hand at changing nappies (better than my partner, in fact) I don't regard myself as henpecked. And if I can find it easy to appreciate the semiotics but ignore the content of ads for cars, alcohol and other supposedly male-oriented things I just as easily do the same for women's sanitary products. But my adolescent daughters might have a different appreciation. Cheers, Rowan |
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14 Jun 07 - 08:28 PM (#2077374) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: frogprince "Has anyone written any decent songs about this?" -Mick I haven't written any songs primarily about it, but I've written one that mentions it. The few who have heard it seem to consider it a "decent" song, whether or not a great one. Dean |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:18 PM (#2077407) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,mg AND IF you are thinking it is OK to feed babies soy formula, read the research..unless they are in dire straits, all sorts of other solutions have been tried (assuming there is a feeding problem of some sort..for heavens sakes don't do it out of philosophy)...bad stuff. mg |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:24 PM (#2077416) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,dianavan I find picking your nose in public, disgusting, but people still do it. If the world conformed to everyone's opinion of what is disgusting, we would live in a very sterile world. Get over it Bob, society doesn't care what you think. Its your problem. Deal with it. |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:34 PM (#2077421) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull BOB-you are a big moany, and probubly really old, (about 70 or 80 or something), waht your prblum then, stupif? |
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14 Jun 07 - 09:38 PM (#2077425) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: bobad My feeling is that breasts should be fed whenever they are hungry no matter where they are. |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:10 PM (#2077441) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha 'Mammaries in mammals'. Ya gotta love it. We ain't called mammals for nuttin honey. Yea, Bob, you expressed an opinion. Quite unfortunately you didn't 'tell your tale' of both breasts exposed quite soon enough. Babies don't exactly desire to feed on anyone's schedule, let alone YOURS. So, you go right ahead and keep your wife home and in seclusion for a year or so. No dinners out, gods forbid, NO bottles. We wouldn't want your wife to actually have to express herself, would we? Go sit on a toilet lid in a stinky loo for an hour. Eat with one hand while you are doing that. Oh, and please close the door to the cubicle too. I don't want to see your nipples on the beach either. Nipples and pectorals are just soooo offensive. Get a ******* life. This is my elbow, it does this. This is my breast it does this. Wanna see my ankle too? Skin is as skin does. Just who the HELL is this Bob person? Sorcha, in SE Wyoming, US. Google Sorcha niGhlais. That will be me. |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:13 PM (#2077444) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST Dammit, Sorch, I went and googled it and there were no pictures of your breasts being fed. What a friggin sham!!!! I'll get me aul cap and the wellies, Mick, tongue planted firmly in cheek |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:27 PM (#2077456) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: SINSULL I am not usually upset by a woman nursing in public however I went ballistic when a smiling Earth Mother grinned at me at a stop light. She was nursing while driving. Even a slight tap from behind could have crushed that child against the steering wheel. Inexcusably stupid! |
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14 Jun 07 - 10:34 PM (#2077461) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST Mary, m'love, that isn't about breast feeding, that is about being just an idiot. Mick |
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15 Jun 07 - 12:07 AM (#2077496) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha Aw Mick, I'm so sorry, I guess I should remedy that forthwith, but my mammaries no longer function as teats. The youngest is 22. Guess you'll just have to imagine.....LOLOLOL |
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15 Jun 07 - 04:31 AM (#2077574) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Liz the Squeak Here's a little aside concerning breasts and Nestle. Nestle provided baby formula to poverty stricken children in Africa a couple of decades ago. They actively taught and convinced breast feeding mothers that this powder would give their babies a better start than breast milk. The infant mortality rate rocketed from illnesses other than those associated with famine. Why? Because the formula had to be made with water - a resource that was in damn short supply as it was, and what was available was dirty, contaminated and often stagnant. Nestle have been reluctant to admit any responsibility in the deaths of bottle fed children from diseases carried by dirty water, even though it was their campaign to promote formula feeding that caused the huge surge in uptake. Of course, what they should have done was encourage breast feeding and provide a well, decent drinking water and a clinic. LTS |
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15 Jun 07 - 04:37 AM (#2077579) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Catherine Jayne As a breast feeding mother at the moment (and it took me quite a while to be able to breast feed successfully) I welcome the new law. I do express and feed by bottle but if I am caught short while out...and feeding on demand you might not have expressed enough milk to bottle feed, I do breast feed, but I do it discreetly. I find a quiet corner, have a shawl or sheet or go to the car. Breast feeding is a wonderful and magical experience, I can't really describe it. I do notice that is mainly men that have a problem with a mother breast feeding in public. |
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15 Jun 07 - 05:59 AM (#2077618) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Wolfgang A song about it? Sure, there's a beauty of a song about breastfeeding in public and all the guys from the village came to watch and brave Margot only thought they came to watch the kitten she nursed. Brave Margot by Renaud album: Chante Brassens (1996) Margoton la jeune bergère trouvant dans l'herbe un petit chat Qui venait de perdre sa mère, l'adopta Elle entrouvre sa collerette et le couche contre son sein C'était tout c'quelle avait pauvrette comme coussin Le chat la prenant pour sa mère se mit à téter tout de go Emue, Margot le laissa faire, brave Margot Un croquant passant à la ronde, trouvant le tableau peu commun S'en alla le dire à tout l'monde et le lendemain Quand Margot dégrafait son corsage pour donner la gougoutte à son chat Tous les gars, tous les gars du village Etaient là, la la la la la la, étaient là, la la la la la Et Margot qu'était simple et très sage Présumait qu'c'était pour voir son chat Qu'tous les gars, tous les gars du village Etaient là, la la la la la la, étaient là, la la la la la Maître d'école et ses potaches, le maire, le bedeau, le bougnat Négligeaient carrément leur tâche pour voir ça Le facteur d'ordinaire si preste, pour voir ça, n'distribuait plus Les lettres que personne au reste n'aurait lues Pour voir ça, Dieu le leur pardonne, les enfants de choeur au milieu Du Saint Sacrifice abandonnent le saint lieu Les gendarmes, même mes gendarmes qui sont par nature si ballots Se laissaient toucher par les charmes du joli tableau Quand Margot dégrafait son corsage pour donner la gougoutte à son chat Tous les gars, tous les gars du village Etaient là, la la la la la la, étaient là, la la la la la Et Margot qu'était simple et très sage Présumait qu'c'était pour voir son chat Qu'tous les gars, tous les gars du village Etaient là, la la la la la la, étaient là, la la la la la Mais les autres femmes de la commune Privées d'leurs époux, d'leurs galants Accumulèrent la rancune patiemment Puis un jour ivres de colère, elles s'armèrent de bâtons Et farouches elles immolèrent le chaton La bergère après bien des larmes, pour s'consoler prit un mari Et ne dévoila plus ses charmes que pour lui Le temps passa sur les mémoires, on oublia l'évènement Seul des vieux racontent encore à leurs p'tits-enfants Quand Margot dégrafait son corsage pour donner la gougoutte à son chat Tous les gars, tous les gars du village Etaient là, la la la la la la, étaient là, la la la la la Et Margot qu'était simple et très sage Présumait qu'c'était pour voir son chat Qu'tous les gars, tous les gars du village Etaient là, la la la la la la, étaient là, la la la la la Etaient là la la la la la la la la la. Wolfgang |
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15 Jun 07 - 06:10 AM (#2077627) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Liz the Squeak She nursed a kitten???? Now THAT is weird... (although, given what Raven kitty does with the bow on my nightshirt, it is highly plausible). LTS |
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15 Jun 07 - 09:42 AM (#2077758) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Midchuck We have a couple of young cats that were part of a litter that were "rescued" as little kittens from a feral mom, and fostered. They are amazingly well socialized - so much so that they're more like dogs than cats. But they show the effects of having been taken away from the mother early on, like they didn't get to nurse enough to really be satisfied. One sign of this deprivation is that they tend to chew on stuff they shouldn't, like mail or the newspaper if you leave it on the kitchen table. Another sign of it is, if I lie on the bed - on my back, with my arms crossed above my head and my head on my hands, as I often do if I lie down during the day to catch my second wind - and I'm wearing no shirt, or a short-sleeved tee, the male sticks his head in my loathsome, smelly, hairy armpit, looking for a nipple. And sometimes he bites. Peter. |
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15 Jun 07 - 09:53 AM (#2077764) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: SINSULL Sorcha's youngest breast is 22? How old is the other one? My Lizzie occasionally cuddles up next me and drools on a cotton blanket until it is wet enough to suckle. Poor little Liz was a feral kitten. It was sad to see her try to join Alice's kittens for lunch but Alice would have none of it. Too bad. It would have improved both their personalities. Freddie was a year old and bigger than his mother when I finally insisted that the nursing stop. Alice would still be nursing him if she had her way. |
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15 Jun 07 - 10:56 AM (#2077817) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Scoville Our cat nursed her entire life (16 1/2 years). My arms were always scratched up from her sucking on my pajamas at night. When she got old and sick, we knew it was time to go when she couldn't even comfort herself with that any more. At least she didn't suck on my hair the way my friend's cat did! |
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15 Jun 07 - 12:09 PM (#2077885) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko "So much for the freedom of speech and opinion. I brought a viewpoint to the forum for open discussion and the level of insults and lack of intelligent replies says a lot more amount certain individuals here than it does about me." Bob, you are being a hypocrit and playing martyr. You started this whole discussion by questioning the "morals" of a woman you saw "whip one out" and thought that this represented a "crisis" that "looms" in our society. If this is a crisis, you have not been reading the newspaper. You need to remember that "freedom of speech" does not mean we all agree with you. If you weren't capable of handling criticism after you set the insulting tone, then you should just shut the hell up. Your opinion and freedom of speech is no different than anyone else. Get off your high horse and join the rest of society. |
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15 Jun 07 - 12:23 PM (#2077894) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Bill D I'd been debating whether to compose that basic reply....thanks, Ron, for doing it for me. 'Bob' made his opinion clear, and had his freedom of speech. |
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15 Jun 07 - 12:23 PM (#2077895) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario technically, "freedom of speech" isn't relative here, anyway. This forum is a *PRIVATELY OWNED* site; and the owner reserves the right to delete, edit, remove, move, modify, etc. anything posted here. |
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15 Jun 07 - 12:38 PM (#2077910) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Don Firth Ron and MMario -- Well said! Don Firth |
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15 Jun 07 - 12:39 PM (#2077912) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: SINSULL It never occurred to me that Alice's nursing was the beginning of a moral crisis. But she is known as Alice the Slut so maybe Bob is right. |
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15 Jun 07 - 01:25 PM (#2077961) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bagpuss I have only read half the thread, so apologies if I am repeating anything. I have breastfed many times in public both in England and in Scotland where we have had a law against preventing a woman from breastfeeding for a couple of years already. I can't say that I have noticed any difference. Nobody has ever asked me not to and i have fed in cafes, restaurants, museums, libraries, park benches etc. The worst I have had is the occasional disaproving look - mainly from other women actually. Most of the time, I don't think anyone noticed me doing it - on several occasions people have come up to play with the baby, as they thought he was just being cuddled! As to the idea that it is fine "in the privacy of your own home" - in the early days, both of my boys fed at 2 hourly intervals. This would have meant that for approximately 2 months I would have been unable to go out anywhere for more than about an hour (given that after they have fed for half an hour you then have to get them ready to go out and change their nappy etc). That is basically akin to imprisonment for no more reason than some people being embarrassed or offended at nothing more than a child getting its nourishment. It is no wonder the breastfeeding rates are so abysmally low in this country if people give up on breastfeeding because they are afraid of disapproval if they do it in public and feel imprisoned if they have to do it in private. |
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15 Jun 07 - 01:51 PM (#2077987) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace To hell with the 'moral majority'. |
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15 Jun 07 - 01:57 PM (#2077994) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Midchuck If the "moral majority" are going to be in hell, I may have to repent me of my sins after all, so's I won't go there. I've had enough of them in this life. Peter |
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15 Jun 07 - 03:48 PM (#2078090) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: ShockedandAppalledinReading *To hell with the 'moral majority'* the moral majority are neither |
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15 Jun 07 - 04:46 PM (#2078142) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace I'm tryin' to clean up my language. Usually I'd a said f#ck 'em. |
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15 Jun 07 - 05:20 PM (#2078166) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: SINSULL But if you f#cked 'em, they would no longer be moral. |
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15 Jun 07 - 05:20 PM (#2078167) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: SINSULL Or is that fodder for another thread? |
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15 Jun 07 - 05:25 PM (#2078176) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: gnu You gotta fuck to be a fodder. |
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15 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM (#2078180) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: SINSULL Go sit in the corner, gnu. Ten Our Fathers and Ten Hail Marys. |
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15 Jun 07 - 05:30 PM (#2078185) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: gnu Yes, Sister Mary. I said em. Now can I go? |
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15 Jun 07 - 06:04 PM (#2078200) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha LOLOLOL! Just watch out for the Poor Clares, OK? |
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15 Jun 07 - 06:31 PM (#2078225) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: McGrath of Harlow Quite a lot of these women don't even wear a veil. |
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15 Jun 07 - 10:16 PM (#2078362) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace . . . and before too long they'll want the vote, too. |
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15 Jun 07 - 10:54 PM (#2078379) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: bbc Bob, I can understand why seeing women with uncovered breasts, unexpectedly, might be uncomfortable to you; it is, somewhat, for me, too. Please don't condemn all nursing moms, however, because of those who are inconsiderate or unconscious in their behavior. I nursed both of my kids whenever they needed it, but I always wore loose tops that I could drape to cover myself & I always had a cloth diaper with me, as well, for the times when my baby might unexpectedly move. No one ever caught more than a glimpse of my breasts & then probably only if they were making a point of looking. Breastfeeding is a completely natural part of the mothering of young children & I think it's ridiculous to consider restricting it to bathrooms. We should all, however, try to be considerate & respect the feelings of others. I hope you do that, too. best, bbc |
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15 Jun 07 - 11:02 PM (#2078382) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: maeve "Are there any songs?" Yes: Janet Russell's "Breastfeeding Baby in the Park" is one, and Cindy Kallet and John Blodgett's song "I'm a Mammal" as recorded by Kallet, Epstein, and Cicone on Cindy's "Only Human" album. Both are priceless! maeve |
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15 Jun 07 - 11:06 PM (#2078384) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: TRUBRIT Stilly River Sage -- you are so right --nursing a child is a wonderful experience. When I had my first child at the advanced old age of 32, with absolutely NO experience with babies before that, the ONLY thing that was tolerable to me about the whole being a mother 'thing' was nursing that child. I nursed all three of mine -- they all weaned at their own choice - one at 2 years, one at 9 months and one at 6 months........; I never intended to give offence to anyone, but if that child was hungry I had the ability to quieten that child and it was like a miracle. Breast feeding is one of the most natural acts in the entire world -- if the world had not 'dirtied' the concept of breasts and turned them nto something merely sexual, this whole thread would be unnecessary. |
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16 Jun 07 - 03:01 AM (#2078448) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Stilly River Sage Truebrit, I was 33, nearly 34 when I had my first child. 37 with the second. They both weaned at about 2 1/2 years. (The last year or 18 months was mostly bedtime, nap, and first thing in the morning, it wasn't like it was their sole nutrition.) Weaning was easy. I usually read a book at night and they nursed, so when we were ready to quit Dad read the book at night. They didn't miss a thing because there was no expectation to nurse when Dad read. Funny story, though. When the second child was born the first was 3 1/2. She's forgotten all about nursing, but was curious. She asked one day if she could nurse, so I sat down in the rocker and opened my shirt. She climbed up in my lap and then tried to figure out how to do it, pursing her lips but not knowing the suck any more. It was pretty funny for both of us! I offered to express a little into a cup that comes with the cough syrup, and she said that would be good. She took a taste and ran away. I asked what she'd done and she told me "I spit it out!" I think she asked one more time, about six months later, and that was that. ;-D |
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16 Jun 07 - 04:50 AM (#2078485) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Joe Offer When I was stationed in Berlin in 1972-73, it seemed that Berliners were offended by pregnancy and nursing. My ex and I were on a bus one time about two months before my son was born. For no apparent reason, an old woman called my very pregnant wife "eine Hexe" (a witch). All we could guess is that the woman was offended by seeing a pregnant woman in public. I do feel guilty about changing my son's diaper in a booth at a Wimpy's restaurant in Bremerhaven. When I got the diaper off, my son sprayed - right on the people in the next booth. The people didn't say anything, and I didn't realize until later that they had been hit. As for nursing babies in public, I see it quite often - but I rarely see a breast in the process. Women here in liberal California may go topless at the beach, but they're quite discreet about covering up when they're nursing. -Joe- |
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16 Jun 07 - 03:53 PM (#2078808) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: TRUBRIT My girlfriend had a similar story -- her child was nearly two when the second one came and had been weaned for about 6 months. Seeing the baby nurse, she asked if she could -- my friend said sure. The child nursed for about 30 seconds then said, ugh, it's WARM and never asked again |
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16 Jun 07 - 05:18 PM (#2078862) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Desdemona As Richard Thompson so eloquently put it: "That's what they're there for, That's what they're there for, Who are we to ask the why or wherefor?" But seriously, I find this a particularly ludicrous "controversy," especially in a nation that annually spends some shocking number of billions on pornography (too lazy to look up exact #s, but you get my drift). When a baby is hungry it needs to be fed; simple. A modicum of ordinary discretion should ensure that interfering busybodies with nothing better to bitch about won't be affronted by the sight of a breast in the performance of its natural function, as opposed to being squeezed out of a push-up bra for the purpose of, er, titillation! ~D |
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16 Jun 07 - 05:27 PM (#2078869) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,mg Well, I would disagree...I think that there are multiple functions involved, which is exactly why people are so uncomfortable. mg |
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16 Jun 07 - 06:13 PM (#2078901) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Rog Peek mg - ".........multiple functions." Just how many did you have in mind? |
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16 Jun 07 - 07:28 PM (#2078940) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,mg I can think of five or six just like that...but I am not going to list them here. Or elsewhere. Think in terms of evolution. mg |
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16 Jun 07 - 08:56 PM (#2078977) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha Evolution...food, food, uh, food, uh, sex related to food, food again.... Then ...OH DEAR...SEX! Hey, fellas, if we suck on these things...... Well, F**K me. I had to wean our daughter when she was 11 mos. I cried. So did she. It was a medical thing. |
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16 Jun 07 - 09:08 PM (#2078981) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace ??????????????????? |
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16 Jun 07 - 10:13 PM (#2078996) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha OH DEAR GODS! It's a NAKED BABY eating it's din din!!! PORN ALERT! Good one, Peace. |
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16 Jun 07 - 11:49 PM (#2079032) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Stilly River Sage When Moonglow was tiny nursing took a long time. I set myself up with a tankard of water (talk about thirsty work!) and a book to read. I knew it was time to wean her when, at about 2 1/2, she climbed up into my lap to nurse and SHE had a book to read! SRS |
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17 Jun 07 - 06:54 AM (#2079133) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Jean(eanjay) Is there going to be an age limit put on the child being breast fed in public. There are some women who feed to school age? Presumably it will be only young babies and common sense will prevail that in public a toddler can use a cup. |
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17 Jun 07 - 08:48 AM (#2079200) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob No there won't be an age limit put on breast feeding. Just an age limit put on posting among this pack of old cronies who seem to know everything. You could export smart arses from here, bores in abundance. |
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17 Jun 07 - 09:25 AM (#2079209) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: bbc Bob, I notice you choose to ignore the more moderate responses to your posts. best, bbc |
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17 Jun 07 - 09:59 AM (#2079231) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Sorcha Ref. the picture linked to above...it LOOKS wonderful, but what goes in must come out. Me, I'd never nurse a naked baby. THAT would be gross. |
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17 Jun 07 - 11:18 AM (#2079280) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Bob bcc, I respect your remark. |
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17 Jun 07 - 12:27 PM (#2079314) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Stilly River Sage When they're toddlers they get pretty much all of their nutrition from the food they eat. Nursing is relegated to those times when they're settling down to sleep or maybe when they first get up in the morning. This is where Mom's immune system is still protecting the child, she isn't offering much to the caloric intake. No one I know would have considered nursing a toddler in public unless it was an extreme situation (like nursing on an airplane take-off and landing to keep the ears from popping and thus preventing screaming and disturbing everyone in earshot). They're more interested in regular food than nursing once they get old enough to eat, but the nursing is an elemental thing that they gradually outgrow ("child led weaning"). Personally, I think those women who keep it going beyond the toddler stage, until the child is in school and beyond, have some of their own problems they need to deal with. SRS |
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17 Jun 07 - 12:45 PM (#2079328) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: bbc Thanks, Bob. |
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17 Jun 07 - 08:18 PM (#2079567) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Ebbie That photo of the nursing babe that Peace linked is a beautiful, serene shot. However, I too wondered about ending up with a wet lap. |
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17 Jun 07 - 08:29 PM (#2079572) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: WFDU - Ron Olesko "Just an age limit put on posting among this pack of old cronies who seem to know everything. You could export smart arses from here, bores in abundance." Comeon Bob, you are being too hard on yourself. Next time you will know better than be such a smart ass. Take the meds, a nap and you won't be such a bore. Face it, you got what you were wishing for. Don't be such a sorry sack. You are far from offended. You knew that there would be people that disagree with you and you clouded your opening statement to make it so. You give the definition to the word "geezer". |
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18 Jun 07 - 10:12 AM (#2079915) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: stallion I suppose it is an "Eye of the beholder" thing. there are some truly wonderous sights and the serenity and Joy of a nursing mother a babe is one of them, it is such a beautiful thing and I was, I suppose, a tad envious that I was excluded from that particular activity with our three kids. If I ever see it happening I get a warm rosy yummy feeling, it seems the most natural thing in the world, and most, if not all, mothers are discreet enough that one would have to stare pretty hard to get a glimpse of any "busty substances" so who would want to do that. The world has moved on ( well that old puritan / victorian world) and mums can now incorporate breast feeding in their daily lives without hiding away and why shouldn't they. |
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18 Jun 07 - 10:38 AM (#2079934) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: McGrath of Harlow I think it's a bit hard blaming the Victorians for weird hang-ups about this that are much more characteristic of the 20th Century. |
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18 Jun 07 - 11:25 AM (#2079973) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: MMario true - the victorians were experts at "not seeing" anything they really didn't want to see. |
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18 Jun 07 - 12:36 PM (#2080044) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,petr its hard to believe people are still upset about nursing in public but sometimes it still comes up, there was a case last year of a woman being asked to leave a store here in BC because she was breastfeeding... sidenote.. my first daughter breastfed up until 16months (by that time it was just once a day - in the mornings) and she stopped finally of her own choice. My wife was a bit disappointed when that happened, but was glad to have breastfed as long as that, and that it was Annas choice. now daughter number two who is 6 1/2 months, is a lovely 17-18lbs and radiant and healthy and its all mother milk. We are just introducing some solids although still not enough interests. Im a bit jealous of my wifes ability to provide that comfort and nourishment, since I obviously cant do it. Once or twice we she did express some milk and I got to bottle feed her, but its different and sometimes babies get a bit lazy about breastfeeding if they use the bottle as its a bit more work to breast feed. |
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18 Jun 07 - 01:00 PM (#2080081) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace "Breast feeding in public" I don't do it myself, but I am in favour of women doing so. |
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18 Jun 07 - 01:08 PM (#2080091) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: bobad Men can do it too |
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18 Jun 07 - 01:24 PM (#2080106) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace I have led a sheltered life . . . . |
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18 Jun 07 - 01:26 PM (#2080107) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Midchuck I'm not sure there is any object that is both as beautiful and as useful as a well-formed tit, unless it's a fine guitar. Why would anybody object to seeing one, whether in active use or not? Peter. |
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18 Jun 07 - 02:06 PM (#2080135) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: guitar for all these people that is against breast feeding, I mean would like to have your dinner in the toilet |
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18 Jun 07 - 03:24 PM (#2080195) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace "New York City pays $29,000 for arresting topless woman" This is from a current thread. |
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18 Jun 07 - 05:12 PM (#2080303) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: kendall I have nothing but respect and admiration for women who breast feed. They have their heads screwed on right, unlike some judges from the dim past. |
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18 Jun 07 - 06:40 PM (#2080388) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: McGrath of Harlow The person who should have the final say in this is the baby. If she or he is all right about feeding in public, that's the right way. If she or he prefers more piece and quiet, that's the right way. And the judgement about what the baby likes is up to the mother, taking into account how she feels about it, because if she isn't comfortable the baby isn't going to be happy either. And it's got nothing whatever to do with bystanders. |
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18 Jun 07 - 07:19 PM (#2080432) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace Well, THAT depends on whose baby it is, no? |
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18 Jun 07 - 08:23 PM (#2080500) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Desdemona That lost comment puts me in mind of the episode of "Absolutely Fabulous" where Edina is expounding how great it was to live in a commune, since Saffy was always breast-fed...just not by HER...! ~D |
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19 Jun 07 - 01:50 PM (#2081275) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: GUEST,Ronnie I have to agree, there is far too much of this "In your face" in society these days. Do what I do. I was having a swift half one Sunday lunch time and this young lady there for lunch took out her breast and began to feed her kid at the table. It was lunchtime and the bar was full, mostly men. I sat and watched, smiled, winked at her and my mate did the same. She wasn´t long heading into the toilet to complete the task ! Man power works. |
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19 Jun 07 - 01:52 PM (#2081278) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace VERY impressive. To think that two men could intimidate one woman holding a baby. Good on ya! |
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19 Jun 07 - 01:52 PM (#2081279) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: gnu Okay, I will. Hey, Bob. Yer suckin the hind tit on this one. Grow up! |
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19 Jun 07 - 02:05 PM (#2081289) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Ebbie Guest/Ronnie, you forced the nursing mother to finish her own lunch in the toilet? Bravo! |
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19 Jun 07 - 03:48 PM (#2081360) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: McGrath of Harlow Only one word for that Ronnie, and it rhymes with anchor. |
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19 Jun 07 - 03:59 PM (#2081373) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Kim C Bob must be afraid of boobs. |
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19 Jun 07 - 04:55 PM (#2081429) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Peace Well, the mother that got scared into the toilet by Guest Ronnie and his friend was scared of boobs, that's for sure. |
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19 Jun 07 - 07:09 PM (#2081558) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Nigel Parsons As I was told at a meeting for fathers to be: It provides all the nourishment a baby needs. It is convenient at all times. It is always at the right temperature. & It comes in the containers that fathers prefer. CHEERS Nigel |
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19 Jun 07 - 08:07 PM (#2081616) Subject: RE: BS: Breast feeding in public From: Desdemona Wow, Guest/Ronnie, that IS impressive. So clever and sensitive, in fact, that it almost makes a person regret that some ignorant moron didn't put your mum off feeding *you*! ~D |
