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16 Jun 07 - 11:27 AM (#2078659) Subject: Royalties - How Much From: Black Hawk Following on from the 'secondhand CDs' thread, how much does the copyright owner expect when you include their song whilst recording a CD? If I record ten songs on my PC Studio program and burn it to CD what percentage do I send to the songwriter? For example :- CD sells for £10 Cost of cover printing, writable disc and case is £5 Ten songs @ 50p each. 10% to writer is 5p 50% to writer is 25p Doesn't seem much! |
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16 Jun 07 - 11:28 AM (#2078660) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: Black Hawk Sorry - forgot to add :- Ten different writers! |
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16 Jun 07 - 01:25 PM (#2078717) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: MMario well - in the US it isn't a percentage - it is a flat amount per song,per copy, with various rates depending on length of song. |
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16 Jun 07 - 02:06 PM (#2078741) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: GUEST,Black Hawk unlogged Thanks MMario Is that for all artists? Sorry - same rate no matter who the artist is? Going out now but will look in on my return |
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16 Jun 07 - 10:37 PM (#2079007) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: The Fooles Troupe Black Hawk - are you including their original performances, or are they all your performances? |
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17 Jun 07 - 06:03 AM (#2079121) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: GUEST,Black Hawk unlogged All my performances! |
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17 Jun 07 - 06:51 AM (#2079130) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: Howard Jones You don't pay them directly. In the UK it's dealt with by MCPS: http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/Pages/default.aspx You pay them a fee depending on how much of the material is copyright and how many CDs you will be producing and they handle it in a similar way to PRS for live performances |
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17 Jun 07 - 07:02 AM (#2079138) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: The Fooles Troupe I assume then Hawk, that they are all your arrangements too... :-) |
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17 Jun 07 - 07:07 AM (#2079142) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: GUEST,Black Hawk unlogged The material is written by friends of mine. Nothing to do with MCPS, PRS etc. Any money paid would NOT end up with the writers I am sure. Thought this may be the case though. |
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17 Jun 07 - 07:49 AM (#2079171) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: The Fooles Troupe Well, if you get a written release from the authors, especially if it states that they are bypassing MCPS, PRS, etc, you have covered your arse then mate.... :-) |
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17 Jun 07 - 08:18 AM (#2079180) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: treewind Black Hawk: If your friends are PRS members, in theory you should report your CD "production run" to PRS, though if it's not a pressing and in small quantities then PRS probably wouldn't be interested. If the songwriters are not PRS members, they have no organised body to protect their copyright, which is their problem, but if you want to do some sort of deal with them to pay them for the use of their songs you can draw up any prices and terms you like. (I would advise the writers not to assign you copyright though!). "Bypassing" PRS isn't illegal, but if your songwriters aren't members they might regret it if their songs become popular enough to get performed at PRS licensed venues such as any folk festival It's a good idea to make sure they are credited with the songs, and to state that your songwriting friends own the copyright, so if anybody takes one of your CDs and duplicates them for sale you can demonstrate that they knew they were breaking copyright. There isn't really a "going rate"; it's whatever you negotiate with them. Anahata |
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17 Jun 07 - 08:41 AM (#2079193) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: GUEST,woodsie I worked for Decca Records (UK) in the early 70s I worked in the accounts department. I saw a lot of contracts with Publishers/artiste. I was quite suprised at the apparently small % paid to a lot of the people at that time it was usually something like 2.35% of 70% of wholesale value of units sold. At that time the Wholesale value of an album of say 12 songs was approx 50 Pence. That equates to about 0.06 pence per song to the writer! Mind you Decca were old school and the independant labels were on the rise. Bands like The Stones, Thin Lizzy etc ran as soon as their contacts were up! |
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17 Jun 07 - 09:32 AM (#2079216) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: GUEST Thanks for the responses folks! Any CDs I burn will be mainly for audiences in clubs I attend. We are talking tiny figures here. I cannot see many people wanting to listen to me in the comfort of their homes. Different when they've 'had a few'. LOL Still want to play right by my friends though! |
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17 Jun 07 - 09:33 AM (#2079217) Subject: RE: Royalties - How Much From: GUEST,Black Hawk unlogged Sorry - 9:32 post was me - forgot I wasn't logged in! |